WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from June 4, 2017

Listener comments!
	9:01am fred: Good morning Jeff and all
	9:02am Jeff Golick: Good afternoon, @fred!
	9:02am listener james from westwood: Howdy, Jeff, fred, and all Outsiders!
	9:03am Jeff Golick: Good morning, @listener james! @fred: I'm sure we're getting only a partial view, but Macron seems to be showing some fine political instincts these days.
	9:06am Andrew Waterloo: morning!
	9:09am Jeff Golick: Hi and welcome, @Andrew Waterloo!
	9:12am fred: @Jeff: He stood up to Putin and Trump. That's not going to help me much once he's done tearing down my health coverage
	9:13am Jeff Golick: @fred: yes, I figured there was a local angle we weren't seeing. I'm sorry to hear that.
	🥁 9:13am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: He stands up to Putin & Trump because NATO & the Oligarchy Bankers want the Oil (which should stay in the ground & not our atmosphere) for themselves. We aren't winners here.
	9:16am Jeff Golick: Hey there, @Revolution Rabbit Nov63! Yeah, though I'll take whatever small crumbs I can get these days.
	9:17am fred: As usual, I'm delighted to hear a tribute to a major musician while he's still alive. Happy birthday Anthony Braxton! May you have many more
	9:17am northguineahills: Health care? I haven't seen a doctor in 7 years. (when I had health insurance, I couldn't take time off to see a doctor b/c of work, now I can't afford to).
	9:20am Jeff Golick: Greetings, @northguineahills! That would be ironic if it wasn't instead just horrible.
	🥁 9:20am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Insurance paying 1/2 of $1,000s I don't have doesn't help me. Who wants a bunch of healthy peasants complicating our Rule... Yay for the extraordinary Anthony Braxton.
	9:23am fred: Of course you're right, NGH, we would still be far from how terrible health care is in the US. I mean, when I had heart surgery last year, I paid nothing. It is possible, but it basically takes single-payer, which isn't looking likely in your country. Chances are we won't have it for long here, actually. Too much money to be made
	9:30am northguineahills: I dislocated my toe volunteering at a food bank (Schlepping 40 lb boxes made me realize I'm not as spry as I used to be, being in my early 40s). I waited a week for the swelling to go down (and got anti-inflammatories from friends) and put it back in joint myself. I should be back to normal in two weeks.
	9:32am Andrew Waterloo: I think you may see a public option emerge as a popular way to protect medicare
	9:32am Jeff Golick: Sorry to hear that, @ngh.
	🥁 9:33am doctorjazz: Hi. Happy Brax-day!
	🥁 9:34am doctorjazz: Who says they want to protect Medicare?
	9:36am Jeff Golick: Happy Brax-day to you, @doctorjazz! Glad you could make it.
	9:37am northguineahills: To be honest, outside of getting a prescription for the swelling, I'd probably would have done the same w/ insurance. I can tell it isn't broken, and I can judge how to put my bones back into joint better then someone else just based on the pain threshold (I've done it before when I was youthier)
	9:37am Andrew Waterloo: the people on it will want to, they've always wanted to
	🥁 9:38am doctorjazz: Of course, that's the trick, to somehow sneak it past them...
	9:39am northguineahills: bookmarking this for the archive....
	🥁 9:39am doctorjazz: That's really what Ryan and crew want.
	9:40am fred: @doctorjazz: so how was the birthday party (and ice cream cake)?
	9:42am Doug Schulkind: Braxton blessings abound!
	🥁 9:44am doctorjazz: I'm definitely sugar-toxic today; went well, though, @fred, thanks. Younger daughter has had a rough time recently, it was nice to see her enjoy herself (she did manage to Sprain am ankle; hopefully not too bad when she wakes up...)
	9:44am Jeff Golick: Welcome, @Doug, and Brax-blessings upon you.
	9:49am northguineahills: If you haven't read it yet, I recommend Graham Locke's book on Braxton....
	9:50am Doug Schulkind: Forces in Motion is a fantastic book, NGH.
	🥁 9:51am doctorjazz: Recently found a promo CD, Will Houshouser Trio, Palace Ghosts and Drunken Hymns (got buried in a pile of cd's, hadn't heard it). He's plays an accordian, has a guest pianist, Bernardo Sassetti. Really like it, anyone heard it (totally off topic...)
	9:53am Andrew Waterloo: Gwelph
	9:54am Doug Schulkind: Break's over. Gotta git back to the Triscuitstone.
	9:55am Jeff Golick: Thanks, @Andrew. Knew I could count on you. Bye, @Doug!
	9:56am Jeff Golick: @doctorjazz: that's a lovely CD. Think I've played one or two things from it...
	9:58am Andrew Waterloo: The pronunciation of Guelph has been a popular question lately. Apparently it's the royal families pre-Windosor lastname or something.
	🥁 10:01am doctorjazz: Really like it, Jeff. 355 here is really cool, composed parts are fun!
	🥁 10:04am doctorjazz: Send more written out than a lot of Braxton...
	🥁 10:05am doctorjazz: (...seems more written out...)
	10:05am Jeff Golick: Each of the 9 compositions from the Iridium box set are roughly an hour long. I'm playing a cut from an edited sampler that the label made available. (Don't have the full set, alas.)
	🥁 10:25am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I think of Braxton - being so to speak 90% uninformed, you understand - as this potentate processor of Theory. Like he's aware of where everyone else was coming from - Ornette, Cecil, Stravinsky, &tc. - & presenting conclusions about it all to us. There's a Mathematical element - the highest abstraction of thinking - but it's good fun as well, sure. It's never less than interesting or engaging - altho' I sometimes think he's stating things repeatedly to make sure we get it - or probably just to explore every little bit of it.
	10:28am Jeff Golick: Well put, @RRN63. The "good fun" aspect is not to be overlooked; he's got a great sense of humor.
	10:30am fred: When it comes to exploring every little bit in a mathematical way, I think nobody can top Tom Johnson
	10:30am tomasz.: hello my friends
	10:31am Jeff Golick: Hello, @tomasz.!
	10:33am tomasz.: i don't know a huge amount of Braxton but i absolutely love Comp. 58. like a marching band going off into space
	10:34am coelacanth∅: greetings Jeff and OUTies been here since 23L Happy Birthday Mr.Braxton
	10:38am Jeff Golick: @fred: don't know Tom Johnson! Do tell.
	10:39am Jeff Golick: @tomasz.: is that on the Creative Orchestra 1976 record? Wonderful stuff; great description.
	10:39am Jeff Golick: Hey, ho, @coelacanth∅! Welcome.
	10:42am tomasz.: @Jeff that's the one yeah!
	10:42am coelacanth∅: did you say Cecil and Jeff J wandered away from the outjazz at the iridium? ...i misunderstood something, i think.
	10:45am Jeff Golick: Sorry, just my rambling, @coel: Jeff J and I saw Cecil Taylor at the Iridium a while back, and watched as unsuspecting club-goers wandered back out, up into the Times Square glare.
	10:46am fred: Tom Johnson is a composer, more of the contemporary classical bend. He often explores combinations in a systematic, mathematical way, but it sounds good. His Galileo is really fun to watch: www.youtube.com...
	10:46am coelacanth∅: haha how did i not get that?! 'sorry.
	🥁 10:47am doctorjazz: What's interesting to me is that the main criticism is Braxton was always that he was "too clinical," "too abstract ", too "Western"...nothing we've heard is anything like that. I think the titles, with their symbols and numbers, poor people of.
	10:47am tomasz.: i love the idea of an avant venue in Times Square. body-painted ladies posing for snaps, Guy Fieri's restaurant, and... Cecil Taylor
	10:48am Jeff Golick: Thanks for that, @fred - will investigate!
	10:49am Jeff Golick: @doctorjazz: the professorial trappings did turn into a trap of sorts; I agree.
	10:50am fred: @Jeff: The performer in that video is Pierre Berthet, a very interesting artist. Bryce knows more about him than I do
	10:58am fred: Archie Shepp is an interesting character to me. I first heard him live, because he's a fixture in Paris. I found him pretty boring. Then I came upon his earlier records, and loved most of them. What went wrong?
	11:02am Jeff Golick: Hard to say, @fred, but I had the exact same experience. Saw him live (in the 1990s, I think, also with Jeff J) and it was terrible.
	11:03am Jeff Golick: His stuff on Impulse, though, from the 1960s/early 1970s is peerless.
	🥁 11:03am doctorjazz: This is intense, and quite wonderful!
	🥁 11:04am doctorjazz: How big is this band (hard to tell, the quartet/quintet sounded much bigger to me).
	11:04am Jeff Golick: Sooo for this Echo Echo Mirror House concept, which Braxton has been pursuing in recent years (there's at least one other release by the same name, on his own label), the performers are equipped with iPods featuring Braxton music, which they can play/deploy at various times.
	11:05am Jeff Golick: Believe it's a septet, @doc.
	🥁 11:05am doctorjazz: And I'd have guessed bigger...
	11:07am tomasz.: how extraordinary
	11:07am Jeff Golick: Anthony Braxton, with: Carl Testa: Contrabass, Bass Clarinet, Electronics [iPod] Taylor Ho Bynum: Cornet, Bugle, Brass [Trompbone], Electronics [iPod] Mary Halvorson: Electric Guitar, Electronics [iPod] Aaron Siegel: Percussion, Vibraphone, Electronics [iPod] Jay Rozen: Tuba, Electronics [iPod] Jessica Pavone: Viola, Violin, Electronics [iPod]
	11:08am fred: Did he get a grant from Apple for that piece?
	11:09am Jeff Golick: Ha. I doubt it. @tomasz. - I think that might be Comp. 58 in there now...
	🥁 11:10am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: A Birth of the Cool after-hours acid party. The tones & depth - well-recorded too - fantastic dimension. Rich & busy but great definition - & they're completely together in the space.
	11:11am Jeff Golick: Just noticing that the other recording of this concept has a much larger band: www.discogs.com... Different comp. number, too.
	11:12am Jeff Golick: (Will have to play that one another time...)
	11:12am fred: I doubt it too, they're notoriously tight with their money. At least they didn't sue him
	🥁 11:13am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & vividly alive - not mathy...
	11:14am Jeff Golick: @fred: haha, yes exactly. Largess via lack of legal action.
	11:15am Jeff Golick: @RRN63: YEAH, always something interesting to listen to. It's like being able to change the channel with one's ears.
	🥁 11:15am doctorjazz: There's an off and on dense soundscape underneath, reminds me of the overtones Glenn Branch gets with his guitar ensembles. The iPads, maybe?
	11:18am tomasz.: this is amazing
	11:18am Jeff Golick: Probably so, @doctorjazz! But also: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
	🥁 11:19am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...wull - Mac's are more Arty than Microsoft naughty steps - everyone knows that... - piece got steadily more dense - Charles Ives Xs Mingus...
	🥁 11:20am doctorjazz: Back from Ozzie walk, still nice out there... Pass the little league game, funny to see one run after another come in on walks (hard to be a 9 year old pitcher). Getting a puppy next week, excited/nervous. How's the puppy training going, @Jeff?
	11:22am Jeff Golick: Good, brief overview of Braxton's recent compositional systems here: tricentricfoundation.org...
	11:22am fred: This is indeed pretty cool. Makes me want to lobby for a residency at work, though I have no voice and Braxton probably wouldn't be interested. Anyway I'm focused on Daniel Menche, and that's such a long shot I can't get distracted
	11:24am Jeff Golick: Training going pretty well, @doctorjazz, though there is still destruction. Louie seems to have it in for bags with straps. Not a fan of straps, it seems. Our big goal: getting recall down (i.e., "Come!") so that we can take him to Prospect Park and let him off-leash. A long-term project.
	11:24am Jeff Golick: @fred: Menche, another new name to me. What org/theatre do you work for?
	11:27am Jeff Golick: FYI: “My hope is to create a holistic music that respects body, mind, known, unknown and intuition,” says Braxton. “My interest in creative music is not just simply an existential interest in looking at sound, but rather I agree with the aesthetic of the AACM and Muhal Richard Abrams when he talked of the first challenge for the creative artist is to deal with his or her self, the idea of self-realization.”
	11:29am fred: It's called IRCAM, a research lab in music paired with a contemporary music institute. There used to be a performance space, but it's closed for years because asbestos was found there
	11:30am Dean: Is IRCAM at the Centre Pompidou?
	🥁 11:31am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yeah - from reading @ that link, I gather (?) he's trying to liberate & expand notation as much as anything...
	11:32am coelacanth∅: fred, isn't Menche in washington, or oregon? or is he near you now?
	11:33am Jeff Golick: @fred: are/were the GRM folks associated with IRCAM?
	11:34am Jeff Golick: And hello, @Dean!
	🥁 11:35am doctorjazz: WE're definitely in iPad territory now...kid's chorus.
	11:36am Dean: When I think of IRCAM I think of Boulez, who directed(?) it or some program thereof once upon a time. And when I think of Victo I think of ... asbestos! Why? Because the Quebecois town of Asbestos is nearby. During a trip I bought a postcard promoting Asbestos. It featured two or three young girls playing clarinets, which set up a perfect joke about inhaling carcinogens.
	🥁 11:36am doctorjazz: Hey, @Dean, open the Brain Box yet (I haven't..._)
	11:37am fred: @Dean: it's affiliated to it, but the relationship is strained. @Jeff: Now it's OK, but for years IRCAM and GRM were bitter rivals, mainly because Boulez despised GRM and what they were doing
	11:39am fred: @Dean: Boulez founded it and directed it for years. It's been a while, though
	11:39am Dean: I mean "joke" in the darkest of senses. Yep, @doctorjazz. I've progressed through two disks. Had no opportunity last night, because we went to friends' house. The sound is quite good due to the 2016 remastering. One caveat: if you thought you'd acquire previously unreleased material, as I kinda sorta did, it turns out those tracks were pr. un. on CD. Nothing formerly unavailable on LP.
	11:40am Jeff Golick: Mary Halvorson's guitar sound: so instantly recognizable.
	11:40am Dean: If you like the Novalis tracks, beware: Novalis has a 15CD compendium available from Germany. Very tempting. Likewise, Jane has produced a box set of works.
	11:42am fred: @coel: He's is Oregon, as far as I know. Getting him a residency at IRCAM is a pet project of mine. He's not aware of it
	🥁 11:43am doctorjazz: Since I likely have little to none of the stuff on the box, should be OK for me. Have to open and play/rip it later on.
	11:45am Jeff Golick: No time today to remember Bern Nix, who passed recently. Guitarist for Ornette in the 1970s/80s, and leader of his own group.
	🥁 11:46am doctorjazz: Sad, saw that yesterday.
	11:47am coelacanth∅: fred - good luck! i'm a big fan. many of his tracks are part of my nightly attempts to fall asleep.
	11:47am Jeff Golick: Would also be great to honor the recently departed David Lewiston, of Nonesuch Explorer fame: www.nytimes.com...
	11:48am northguineahills: Oh yeah, I almost forgot about David Lewiston's passing...
	11:48am Dean: Flash Strap did a brief tribute to Lewiston. In a way, Flash's entire program is Lewiston-inspired.
	🥁 11:48am doctorjazz: AS usual, not familiar with Mensch. Any recommendations on somewhere to start?
	11:48am Jeff Golick: Maybe there was a recent FMU show that paid tribute? --oh ahah there we go...thanks, @Dean.
	11:50am Dean: Run a search for Menche on WFMU playlists: "daniel menche" site:wfmu.org
	11:51am geezerette: Good morning Jeff G. and all. Love this program but catch it in the archives, not often up early enough on west coast Sunday mornings. Just wanted to thank you for it!
	11:51am fred: @doctorjazz: I love Jugularis, but that's just me. He's prolific and did many different things. Jugularis might be a little too noisy for you
	11:51am Jeff Golick: Here's that Flash Strap/Lewiston show: wfmu.org... -- looks amazing.
	11:52am coelacanth∅: doctorjazz - i'm especially into the body melt album and the odredek (sp?) album. -but yeah, what fred said.
	11:53am Dean: The treat for us is that Dust-to-Digital has been curating 400 hours of unreleased Lewiston tapes.
	🥁 11:53am doctorjazz: Hmmm, tried googling Mensch/Jugularis, nothing useful comes up. I'll try the FMU search after the show.
	11:53am Jeff Golick: Thanks, @geezerette! Happy to see you here.
	11:53am Jeff Golick: Holy moly, @Dean, is that true?
	11:55am coelacanth∅: Menche is on bandcamp, but maybe not his whole catalogue.
	11:55am Dean: Yeah, they'd been working on it with his blessing (even assistance?). D2D is sad he won't see the issue of whatever fruits the project bears.
	🥁 11:55am doctorjazz: Body Melt is the only one I've found so far, and it is on Bandcamp. Probably best to search there.
	11:56am Jeff Golick: "124 playlists found where Artist starts with "daniel menche"" -- good ol' FMU...
	11:57am tomasz.: that sounded like a burst of Comp 58!
	11:57am northguineahills: ...and those are just the solo projects that Daniel went by his given name.
	11:57am Jeff Golick: Lotta Menche at bandcamp, great: danielmenche.bandcamp.com...
	11:58am Dean: btw, the NYT obit is good, as is the press release posted at Nonesuch (linked from NYT piece), which is cribbed, I believe, from another source (or vice versa). What a character he was.
	🥁 11:58am doctorjazz: www.facebook.com... Dust to Digital on Facebook
	11:58am fred: Marriage of Metals (a gamelan inspired record) might be more to your taste
	11:58am coelacanth∅: Daniel Blumin played the entire ketjak chant last friday (one of Lewiston's recordings) ...a clear benefit (along with releases by Cecil Taylor & nurse w/wound) of the benefit of cd. ...i'd never heard but excerpts of it.
	🥁 11:58am doctorjazz: Thanks, Jeff, great show!
	12:00pm Jeff Golick: Thanks for being here for it, @doctorjazz.
	12:01pm fred: Thanks Jeff!
	12:01pm Dean: There's at least one other ketjak, not on Nonesuch, that lasts almost 45 mins. See Kecak: A Balinese Music Drama, perf'd by Kecak Ganda Sari, on Bridge from 1990. Lewiston's recording.
	12:01pm northguineahills: Thanks Jeff!
	12:01pm Andrew Waterloo: great show Jeff.
	12:02pm listener james from westwood: Starred the ever-loving hell out of this episode, Jeff! It will reward future listens. Thanks a ton!
	12:02pm coelacanth∅: i think someone on wfmu played some of marriage of metals recently too.
	12:03pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff Outstanding tribute! tchau peeps
	12:03pm tomasz.: cheers Jeff!
	12:03pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, you guys are the bestest: @ngh! @Andrew! @ljfw! @coel! @tomasz.!
	🥁 12:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY Jeff.
	12:04pm Jeff Golick: Bye, @Rev!

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970		0:02:06 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton	Comp. 36 "Comp. 36" by "Anthony Braxton"	Trio and Duet	Sackville	1974	http://restructures.net/compositions/036.htm#036	0:08:03 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton	Comp. 23L "Comp. 23L" by "Anthony Braxton"	Donna Lee	America	1972	http://restructures.net/compositions/023.htm#023L	0:26:05 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton	Comp. 40M "Comp. 40M" by "Anthony Braxton"	Five Pieces (1975)	Arista	1975	http://restructures.net/compositions/040.htm#040M	0:37:53 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton	Comp. 23A "Comp. 23A" by "Anthony Braxton"	New York, Fall 1974	Arista	1974	http://restructures.net/compositions/023.htm#023A	0:41:10 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Booker T. and The MGs	Melting Pot					0:46:38 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton and The AIMToronto Orchestra	Language Improvisation	Creative Orchestra (Guelph) 2007	Spool	2008		0:52:16 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton 12+1tet	Comp. 355 (part 1)	9 Compositions (Iridium) 2006 - selections from the box set	Firehouse 12	2007		0:57:06 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton	Comp. 366E, 367A, 367F, 366D, 367B	Quartet/Quintet (NYC) 2011	New Braxton House	2013	Falling River Music Quintet	1:08:24 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Chaz Jankel	To Woo Lady Kong "To Woo Lady Kong" by "Chaz Jankel"					1:30:10 (Pop-up)
Archie Shepp & Philly Joe Jones	Howling in the Silence	Archie Shepp & Philly Joe Jones	America	1970	(Braxton on alto)	1:35:47 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Mouse on Mars	Fantastic Analysis "Fantastic Analysis" by "Mouse on Mars"					1:54:01 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton	Comp. 347+ "Comp. 347+" by "Anthony Braxton"	Echo Echo Mirror House	Les Disques Victo	2013		1:57:44 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975		2:59:42 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:01am fred: Good morning Jeff and all
	9:02am Jeff Golick: Good afternoon, @fred!
	9:02am listener james from westwood: Howdy, Jeff, fred, and all Outsiders!
	9:03am Jeff Golick: Good morning, @listener james! @fred: I'm sure we're getting only a partial view, but Macron seems to be showing some fine political instincts these days.
	9:06am Andrew Waterloo: morning!
	9:09am Jeff Golick: Hi and welcome, @Andrew Waterloo!
	9:12am fred: @Jeff: He stood up to Putin and Trump. That's not going to help me much once he's done tearing down my health coverage
	9:13am Jeff Golick: @fred: yes, I figured there was a local angle we weren't seeing. I'm sorry to hear that.
	🥁 9:13am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: He stands up to Putin & Trump because NATO & the Oligarchy Bankers want the Oil (which should stay in the ground & not our atmosphere) for themselves. We aren't winners here.
	9:16am Jeff Golick: Hey there, @Revolution Rabbit Nov63! Yeah, though I'll take whatever small crumbs I can get these days.
	9:17am fred: As usual, I'm delighted to hear a tribute to a major musician while he's still alive. Happy birthday Anthony Braxton! May you have many more
	9:17am northguineahills: Health care? I haven't seen a doctor in 7 years. (when I had health insurance, I couldn't take time off to see a doctor b/c of work, now I can't afford to).
	9:20am Jeff Golick: Greetings, @northguineahills! That would be ironic if it wasn't instead just horrible.
	🥁 9:20am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Insurance paying 1/2 of $1,000s I don't have doesn't help me. Who wants a bunch of healthy peasants complicating our Rule... Yay for the extraordinary Anthony Braxton.
	9:23am fred: Of course you're right, NGH, we would still be far from how terrible health care is in the US. I mean, when I had heart surgery last year, I paid nothing. It is possible, but it basically takes single-payer, which isn't looking likely in your country. Chances are we won't have it for long here, actually. Too much money to be made
	9:30am northguineahills: I dislocated my toe volunteering at a food bank (Schlepping 40 lb boxes made me realize I'm not as spry as I used to be, being in my early 40s). I waited a week for the swelling to go down (and got anti-inflammatories from friends) and put it back in joint myself. I should be back to normal in two weeks.
	9:32am Andrew Waterloo: I think you may see a public option emerge as a popular way to protect medicare
	9:32am Jeff Golick: Sorry to hear that, @ngh.
	🥁 9:33am doctorjazz: Hi. Happy Brax-day!
	🥁 9:34am doctorjazz: Who says they want to protect Medicare?
	9:36am Jeff Golick: Happy Brax-day to you, @doctorjazz! Glad you could make it.
	9:37am northguineahills: To be honest, outside of getting a prescription for the swelling, I'd probably would have done the same w/ insurance. I can tell it isn't broken, and I can judge how to put my bones back into joint better then someone else just based on the pain threshold (I've done it before when I was youthier)
	9:37am Andrew Waterloo: the people on it will want to, they've always wanted to
	🥁 9:38am doctorjazz: Of course, that's the trick, to somehow sneak it past them...
	9:39am northguineahills: bookmarking this for the archive....
	🥁 9:39am doctorjazz: That's really what Ryan and crew want.
	9:40am fred: @doctorjazz: so how was the birthday party (and ice cream cake)?
	9:42am Doug Schulkind: Braxton blessings abound!
	🥁 9:44am doctorjazz: I'm definitely sugar-toxic today; went well, though, @fred, thanks. Younger daughter has had a rough time recently, it was nice to see her enjoy herself (she did manage to Sprain am ankle; hopefully not too bad when she wakes up...)
	9:44am Jeff Golick: Welcome, @Doug, and Brax-blessings upon you.
	9:49am northguineahills: If you haven't read it yet, I recommend Graham Locke's book on Braxton....
	9:50am Doug Schulkind: Forces in Motion is a fantastic book, NGH.
	🥁 9:51am doctorjazz: Recently found a promo CD, Will Houshouser Trio, Palace Ghosts and Drunken Hymns (got buried in a pile of cd's, hadn't heard it). He's plays an accordian, has a guest pianist, Bernardo Sassetti. Really like it, anyone heard it (totally off topic...)
	9:53am Andrew Waterloo: Gwelph
	9:54am Doug Schulkind: Break's over. Gotta git back to the Triscuitstone.
	9:55am Jeff Golick: Thanks, @Andrew. Knew I could count on you. Bye, @Doug!
	9:56am Jeff Golick: @doctorjazz: that's a lovely CD. Think I've played one or two things from it...
	9:58am Andrew Waterloo: The pronunciation of Guelph has been a popular question lately. Apparently it's the royal families pre-Windosor lastname or something.
	🥁 10:01am doctorjazz: Really like it, Jeff. 355 here is really cool, composed parts are fun!
	🥁 10:04am doctorjazz: Send more written out than a lot of Braxton...
	🥁 10:05am doctorjazz: (...seems more written out...)
	10:05am Jeff Golick: Each of the 9 compositions from the Iridium box set are roughly an hour long. I'm playing a cut from an edited sampler that the label made available. (Don't have the full set, alas.)
	🥁 10:25am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I think of Braxton - being so to speak 90% uninformed, you understand - as this potentate processor of Theory. Like he's aware of where everyone else was coming from - Ornette, Cecil, Stravinsky, &tc. - & presenting conclusions about it all to us. There's a Mathematical element - the highest abstraction of thinking - but it's good fun as well, sure. It's never less than interesting or engaging - altho' I sometimes think he's stating things repeatedly to make sure we get it - or probably just to explore every little bit of it.
	10:28am Jeff Golick: Well put, @RRN63. The "good fun" aspect is not to be overlooked; he's got a great sense of humor.
	10:30am fred: When it comes to exploring every little bit in a mathematical way, I think nobody can top Tom Johnson
	10:30am tomasz.: hello my friends
	10:31am Jeff Golick: Hello, @tomasz.!
	10:33am tomasz.: i don't know a huge amount of Braxton but i absolutely love Comp. 58. like a marching band going off into space
	10:34am coelacanth∅: greetings Jeff and OUTies been here since 23L Happy Birthday Mr.Braxton
	10:38am Jeff Golick: @fred: don't know Tom Johnson! Do tell.
	10:39am Jeff Golick: @tomasz.: is that on the Creative Orchestra 1976 record? Wonderful stuff; great description.
	10:39am Jeff Golick: Hey, ho, @coelacanth∅! Welcome.
	10:42am tomasz.: @Jeff that's the one yeah!
	10:42am coelacanth∅: did you say Cecil and Jeff J wandered away from the outjazz at the iridium? ...i misunderstood something, i think.
	10:45am Jeff Golick: Sorry, just my rambling, @coel: Jeff J and I saw Cecil Taylor at the Iridium a while back, and watched as unsuspecting club-goers wandered back out, up into the Times Square glare.
	10:46am fred: Tom Johnson is a composer, more of the contemporary classical bend. He often explores combinations in a systematic, mathematical way, but it sounds good. His Galileo is really fun to watch: www.youtube.com...
	10:46am coelacanth∅: haha how did i not get that?! 'sorry.
	🥁 10:47am doctorjazz: What's interesting to me is that the main criticism is Braxton was always that he was "too clinical," "too abstract ", too "Western"...nothing we've heard is anything like that. I think the titles, with their symbols and numbers, poor people of.
	10:47am tomasz.: i love the idea of an avant venue in Times Square. body-painted ladies posing for snaps, Guy Fieri's restaurant, and... Cecil Taylor
	10:48am Jeff Golick: Thanks for that, @fred - will investigate!
	10:49am Jeff Golick: @doctorjazz: the professorial trappings did turn into a trap of sorts; I agree.
	10:50am fred: @Jeff: The performer in that video is Pierre Berthet, a very interesting artist. Bryce knows more about him than I do
	10:58am fred: Archie Shepp is an interesting character to me. I first heard him live, because he's a fixture in Paris. I found him pretty boring. Then I came upon his earlier records, and loved most of them. What went wrong?
	11:02am Jeff Golick: Hard to say, @fred, but I had the exact same experience. Saw him live (in the 1990s, I think, also with Jeff J) and it was terrible.
	11:03am Jeff Golick: His stuff on Impulse, though, from the 1960s/early 1970s is peerless.
	🥁 11:03am doctorjazz: This is intense, and quite wonderful!
	🥁 11:04am doctorjazz: How big is this band (hard to tell, the quartet/quintet sounded much bigger to me).
	11:04am Jeff Golick: Sooo for this Echo Echo Mirror House concept, which Braxton has been pursuing in recent years (there's at least one other release by the same name, on his own label), the performers are equipped with iPods featuring Braxton music, which they can play/deploy at various times.
	11:05am Jeff Golick: Believe it's a septet, @doc.
	🥁 11:05am doctorjazz: And I'd have guessed bigger...
	11:07am tomasz.: how extraordinary
	11:07am Jeff Golick: Anthony Braxton, with: Carl Testa: Contrabass, Bass Clarinet, Electronics [iPod] Taylor Ho Bynum: Cornet, Bugle, Brass [Trompbone], Electronics [iPod] Mary Halvorson: Electric Guitar, Electronics [iPod] Aaron Siegel: Percussion, Vibraphone, Electronics [iPod] Jay Rozen: Tuba, Electronics [iPod] Jessica Pavone: Viola, Violin, Electronics [iPod]
	11:08am fred: Did he get a grant from Apple for that piece?
	11:09am Jeff Golick: Ha. I doubt it. @tomasz. - I think that might be Comp. 58 in there now...
	🥁 11:10am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: A Birth of the Cool after-hours acid party. The tones & depth - well-recorded too - fantastic dimension. Rich & busy but great definition - & they're completely together in the space.
	11:11am Jeff Golick: Just noticing that the other recording of this concept has a much larger band: www.discogs.com... Different comp. number, too.
	11:12am Jeff Golick: (Will have to play that one another time...)
	11:12am fred: I doubt it too, they're notoriously tight with their money. At least they didn't sue him
	🥁 11:13am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & vividly alive - not mathy...
	11:14am Jeff Golick: @fred: haha, yes exactly. Largess via lack of legal action.
	11:15am Jeff Golick: @RRN63: YEAH, always something interesting to listen to. It's like being able to change the channel with one's ears.
	🥁 11:15am doctorjazz: There's an off and on dense soundscape underneath, reminds me of the overtones Glenn Branch gets with his guitar ensembles. The iPads, maybe?
	11:18am tomasz.: this is amazing
	11:18am Jeff Golick: Probably so, @doctorjazz! But also: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
	🥁 11:19am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...wull - Mac's are more Arty than Microsoft naughty steps - everyone knows that... - piece got steadily more dense - Charles Ives Xs Mingus...
	🥁 11:20am doctorjazz: Back from Ozzie walk, still nice out there... Pass the little league game, funny to see one run after another come in on walks (hard to be a 9 year old pitcher). Getting a puppy next week, excited/nervous. How's the puppy training going, @Jeff?
	11:22am Jeff Golick: Good, brief overview of Braxton's recent compositional systems here: tricentricfoundation.org...
	11:22am fred: This is indeed pretty cool. Makes me want to lobby for a residency at work, though I have no voice and Braxton probably wouldn't be interested. Anyway I'm focused on Daniel Menche, and that's such a long shot I can't get distracted
	11:24am Jeff Golick: Training going pretty well, @doctorjazz, though there is still destruction. Louie seems to have it in for bags with straps. Not a fan of straps, it seems. Our big goal: getting recall down (i.e., "Come!") so that we can take him to Prospect Park and let him off-leash. A long-term project.
	11:24am Jeff Golick: @fred: Menche, another new name to me. What org/theatre do you work for?
	11:27am Jeff Golick: FYI: “My hope is to create a holistic music that respects body, mind, known, unknown and intuition,” says Braxton. “My interest in creative music is not just simply an existential interest in looking at sound, but rather I agree with the aesthetic of the AACM and Muhal Richard Abrams when he talked of the first challenge for the creative artist is to deal with his or her self, the idea of self-realization.”
	11:29am fred: It's called IRCAM, a research lab in music paired with a contemporary music institute. There used to be a performance space, but it's closed for years because asbestos was found there
	11:30am Dean: Is IRCAM at the Centre Pompidou?
	🥁 11:31am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yeah - from reading @ that link, I gather (?) he's trying to liberate & expand notation as much as anything...
	11:32am coelacanth∅: fred, isn't Menche in washington, or oregon? or is he near you now?
	11:33am Jeff Golick: @fred: are/were the GRM folks associated with IRCAM?
	11:34am Jeff Golick: And hello, @Dean!
	🥁 11:35am doctorjazz: WE're definitely in iPad territory now...kid's chorus.
	11:36am Dean: When I think of IRCAM I think of Boulez, who directed(?) it or some program thereof once upon a time. And when I think of Victo I think of ... asbestos! Why? Because the Quebecois town of Asbestos is nearby. During a trip I bought a postcard promoting Asbestos. It featured two or three young girls playing clarinets, which set up a perfect joke about inhaling carcinogens.
	🥁 11:36am doctorjazz: Hey, @Dean, open the Brain Box yet (I haven't..._)
	11:37am fred: @Dean: it's affiliated to it, but the relationship is strained. @Jeff: Now it's OK, but for years IRCAM and GRM were bitter rivals, mainly because Boulez despised GRM and what they were doing
	11:39am fred: @Dean: Boulez founded it and directed it for years. It's been a while, though
	11:39am Dean: I mean "joke" in the darkest of senses. Yep, @doctorjazz. I've progressed through two disks. Had no opportunity last night, because we went to friends' house. The sound is quite good due to the 2016 remastering. One caveat: if you thought you'd acquire previously unreleased material, as I kinda sorta did, it turns out those tracks were pr. un. on CD. Nothing formerly unavailable on LP.
	11:40am Jeff Golick: Mary Halvorson's guitar sound: so instantly recognizable.
	11:40am Dean: If you like the Novalis tracks, beware: Novalis has a 15CD compendium available from Germany. Very tempting. Likewise, Jane has produced a box set of works.
	11:42am fred: @coel: He's is Oregon, as far as I know. Getting him a residency at IRCAM is a pet project of mine. He's not aware of it
	🥁 11:43am doctorjazz: Since I likely have little to none of the stuff on the box, should be OK for me. Have to open and play/rip it later on.
	11:45am Jeff Golick: No time today to remember Bern Nix, who passed recently. Guitarist for Ornette in the 1970s/80s, and leader of his own group.
	🥁 11:46am doctorjazz: Sad, saw that yesterday.
	11:47am coelacanth∅: fred - good luck! i'm a big fan. many of his tracks are part of my nightly attempts to fall asleep.
	11:47am Jeff Golick: Would also be great to honor the recently departed David Lewiston, of Nonesuch Explorer fame: www.nytimes.com...
	11:48am northguineahills: Oh yeah, I almost forgot about David Lewiston's passing...
	11:48am Dean: Flash Strap did a brief tribute to Lewiston. In a way, Flash's entire program is Lewiston-inspired.
	🥁 11:48am doctorjazz: AS usual, not familiar with Mensch. Any recommendations on somewhere to start?
	11:48am Jeff Golick: Maybe there was a recent FMU show that paid tribute? --oh ahah there we go...thanks, @Dean.
	11:50am Dean: Run a search for Menche on WFMU playlists: "daniel menche" site:wfmu.org
	11:51am geezerette: Good morning Jeff G. and all. Love this program but catch it in the archives, not often up early enough on west coast Sunday mornings. Just wanted to thank you for it!
	11:51am fred: @doctorjazz: I love Jugularis, but that's just me. He's prolific and did many different things. Jugularis might be a little too noisy for you
	11:51am Jeff Golick: Here's that Flash Strap/Lewiston show: wfmu.org... -- looks amazing.
	11:52am coelacanth∅: doctorjazz - i'm especially into the body melt album and the odredek (sp?) album. -but yeah, what fred said.
	11:53am Dean: The treat for us is that Dust-to-Digital has been curating 400 hours of unreleased Lewiston tapes.
	🥁 11:53am doctorjazz: Hmmm, tried googling Mensch/Jugularis, nothing useful comes up. I'll try the FMU search after the show.
	11:53am Jeff Golick: Thanks, @geezerette! Happy to see you here.
	11:53am Jeff Golick: Holy moly, @Dean, is that true?
	11:55am coelacanth∅: Menche is on bandcamp, but maybe not his whole catalogue.
	11:55am Dean: Yeah, they'd been working on it with his blessing (even assistance?). D2D is sad he won't see the issue of whatever fruits the project bears.
	🥁 11:55am doctorjazz: Body Melt is the only one I've found so far, and it is on Bandcamp. Probably best to search there.
	11:56am Jeff Golick: "124 playlists found where Artist starts with "daniel menche"" -- good ol' FMU...
	11:57am tomasz.: that sounded like a burst of Comp 58!
	11:57am northguineahills: ...and those are just the solo projects that Daniel went by his given name.
	11:57am Jeff Golick: Lotta Menche at bandcamp, great: danielmenche.bandcamp.com...
	11:58am Dean: btw, the NYT obit is good, as is the press release posted at Nonesuch (linked from NYT piece), which is cribbed, I believe, from another source (or vice versa). What a character he was.
	🥁 11:58am doctorjazz: www.facebook.com... Dust to Digital on Facebook
	11:58am fred: Marriage of Metals (a gamelan inspired record) might be more to your taste
	11:58am coelacanth∅: Daniel Blumin played the entire ketjak chant last friday (one of Lewiston's recordings) ...a clear benefit (along with releases by Cecil Taylor & nurse w/wound) of the benefit of cd. ...i'd never heard but excerpts of it.
	🥁 11:58am doctorjazz: Thanks, Jeff, great show!
	12:00pm Jeff Golick: Thanks for being here for it, @doctorjazz.
	12:01pm fred: Thanks Jeff!
	12:01pm Dean: There's at least one other ketjak, not on Nonesuch, that lasts almost 45 mins. See Kecak: A Balinese Music Drama, perf'd by Kecak Ganda Sari, on Bridge from 1990. Lewiston's recording.
	12:01pm northguineahills: Thanks Jeff!
	12:01pm Andrew Waterloo: great show Jeff.
	12:02pm listener james from westwood: Starred the ever-loving hell out of this episode, Jeff! It will reward future listens. Thanks a ton!
	12:02pm coelacanth∅: i think someone on wfmu played some of marriage of metals recently too.
	12:03pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff Outstanding tribute! tchau peeps
	12:03pm tomasz.: cheers Jeff!
	12:03pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, you guys are the bestest: @ngh! @Andrew! @ljfw! @coel! @tomasz.!
	🥁 12:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY Jeff.
	12:04pm Jeff Golick: Bye, @Rev!

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