WFMU: Transmissions from Echo Beach with Derek Westerholm and DJ Babs: Playlist from November 3, 2022

Transmissions from Echo Beach with Derek Westerholm and DJ Babs: Playlist from November 3, 2022

Description: Exuberance/Ebullience, banter, possibly an interview, context and connection, the familiar, the strange.

Find: Symphonies of Treble, Words Of Expectation, stab, skronk, shimmer, sheen, The New Sound of Now, Ideas for Walls, pleasure, pith, Flutter and Wow, Motorik, cowbells, disco akimbo, at least one Cantankerous Singer, The German Language, shards of glass, Ethiopian Punk, organic, synthetic, sawtooths & squarewaves, Library Riffage, yesterday's recipes, the wrong speed, intentional static, floating, ethereal, time and timelessness.

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November 3, 2022: An Evening With Martin Atkins... (w/ Interview!!!)

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	New	Approx. start time
"MARTIN ATKINS IS THE DEFINITION OF ENTREPRENEURIAL ACTIVITY IN CULTURAL ARTS ENDEAVORS. His three decades in the music business spans across genres, borders and industries. Having experience in nearly every aspect of record production and promotion has given Martin a unique perspective not only on where the music industry is currently, but where it is going in the future. After playing drums in a variety of English bands, Martin auditioned for and subsequently joined Johnny Rotten’s Public Image Limited in 1979. His first contribution to the band was cowriting and performing on the song “Bad Baby” for the revered Metal Box LP. After touring the world with P.i.L and contributing to several more studio albums Martin left the group in 1985. Over the next five years, he played with and managed Killing Joke and toured with Ministry. In 1990, while on tour with Ministry, he formed his own band, Pigface. He also worked with Nine Inch Nails, performing on the Grammy award winning “Wish” and appearing in the “Head like a Hole” video. Martin began working on the business side of music in 1988 when he formed Invisible Records and then Mattress Factory Studios in 1996. Over two decades Invisible has released over 350 albums and has had placements spanning from the original Miami Vice to Showtime’s Queer as Folk to Robert Altman’s The Company. Atkins wrote his book Tour:Smart in 2007 and has since spoken around the world at major industry conferences, recognized universities, and nonprofit organizations. His distinguished speaking resume includes: SXSW, Warped Tour, CMJ, New Music Seminar, Unconvention, NAMM, By:Larm, Dfest, USC, Drexel, Virginia Commonwealth University, Full Sail, Weiden + Kennedy, Chicago Cultural Center and many more. Atkins currently teaches at Millikin University in Decatur, IL and acts as the Music Business Program Coordinator, leading courses on Touring, Advanced Entrepreneurship, Artist and Event Management, and Online Marketing. When he’s not teaching, you can find him on the road, promoting with his third book, Band:Smart, consulting with artists and organizations, or working on his next book, Memories: My Time In and Out of Public Image Ltd. He is a father of four boys and lives with his wife, Katrina, in Chicago."
Music behind DJ: Sounds Of The Ocean	Beach Sounds "Beach Sounds" by "Sounds Of The Ocean"	Ocean Sounds	Sounds Of The Ocean	2016			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Public Image Limited	Where Are You	This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get	Columbia	1984	This song is about a vacuous socialite, according to Keith Levene it’s about his former girlfriend and former ‘non-musical’ band member Jeannette Lee: Lee has been called the ‘visual assistent’ and apparently brought a multimedia dimension to the band, including using video as an aspect of live performances. This would lead to the ‘riot’ at the Ritz when the band elected to play behind a giant video screen. She also appeared on the cover of 1981’s PiL record The Flowers of Romance. John Lydon was quoted as saying "Jeannette actually never did anything, but she was chucked in there just… for one reason or another. Well she did look after the businessy side of things, and made sure things went out on time. She’s now a director of Rough Trade, so she obviously learnt something."		0:01:20 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Public Image Limited	Lou Reed Pt I	Commercial Zone	PiL Records Inc.	1984	"In May 1981 PiL moved from London to New York City, but in October 1981 their American record contract with Warner Brothers expired and was not renewed. In January 1982 the British music press reported that PiL had tried to record a new album in New York with producers Adam Kidron and Ken Lockie, but split instead – this was promptly denied by the band in a press release the following week. In May 1982 drummer Martin Atkins rejoined the band and PiL started recording their new studio album for Virgin Records at Park South Studios in Manhattan, with sound engineer Bob Miller co-producing. On 29 August 1982 new bassist Pete Jones joined the band in the studio, the new line-up played its debut concert four weeks later (28 September 1982 in New York City). During the second half of 1982 the band planned to form their own record label (Public Enterprise Productions) and license its releases to Stiff Records USA for the American market, but these plans never materialised. In early November 1982 PiL announced the imminent release of a new single "Blue Water" and a six-track mini album You Are Now Entering a Commercial Zone on their new label. This did not happen, with the band instead continuing to record a full-length album at Park South Studios. By March 1983 a new track "This Is Not a Love Song" was earmarked as a new single by the band, but PiL broke up when first Pete Jones and then Keith Levene left the band. The single "This Is Not a Love Song" (with "Blue Water" as a 12" single B-side, both from the Park South sessions) was released in Japan by Nippon Columbia in June 1983. Virgin Records released it in the UK in September 1983, where it went to no.5 in the UK single charts. The remaining members, John Lydon and drummer Martin Atkins hired session musicians to fulfill touring commitments and carried on under the PiL name. In mid-1983, in PiL's absence, Keith Levene took the unfinished album tapes and did his own mix. He then flew over to London and presented them to Richard Branson as the finished new PiL album for Virgin Records, but John Lydon decided to completely abandon the tapes and re-record the whole album from scratch with session musicians. This new version of "Commercial Zone" became "This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get" in 1984. Levene decided to release the album himself on the American market and on 30 January 1984 registered the label PIL Records Inc. for this one-off release. The first limited pressing of 10,000 copies for which Levene paid $8,500 out of his own pocket was self-distributed to record shops around New York City and heavily imported to the UK and European market. A second pressing (with the track listing changed around and a shorter mix of "Bad Night") followed in August 1984 in an edition of 30,000 copies, to compete directly with the official re-recorded album This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get. Virgin Records promptly took legal actions and stopped the distribution and any further re-pressings of Commercial Zone. In 2014 Levene announced plans to revisit Commercial Zone and finally finish it. The 2014 release is called Commercial Zone 2014. In the spring of 2014, Levene went to Prague to record Commercial Zone 2014, which was backed via a crowdsourcing campaign website at Indiegogo."		0:05:38 (Pop-up)
Public Image Limited	Lou Reed Pt II (Where Are You?)	Commercial Zone	PiL Records Inc.	1984	Original release date has been suggested in some instances as 11/83 and Martin Atkins and Pete Jones are credited on drums and bass respectively. "Track by track commentary by the band for "Lou Reed Part 1 & 2"/"Where Are You?": John Lydon (1999): “'Where Are You?' is about departed PIL members. Say no more.” /// Keith Levene (1983/2001): “I don't know what happened between [Jeannette Lee] and John when he went to Italy with her to make that movie, but she left after that.” “[John Lydon had] been back from making his movie, which Jeannette had opted to go off and join him on this glamorous trip. So John came back and Jeannette was officially not in the band any more. We made this tune 'Where Are You?' and it was totally about Jeannette.” /// Pete Jones (2000): “We re-recorded 'Lou Reed Part 2', but that version isn't on 'Commercial Zone'."		0:09:36 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins China Dub Soundsystem	Radio China	Made in China	Invisible China	2007	From the liner notes, by Martin Atkins: "I went to an old market with Bo looking for deals on long forgotten audio equipment, fantasizing that I would stumble across a vintage Neve Console for $10. Instead I left with a partially working (when we hit it on the back) radio. We took it into the studio on a Saturday night and started to radio scratch and the singer from PK14 did a vocal not used here and then I came up with the idea of a broadcast from radio China. Amazing guitar from Li Qing from Carsick Cars and vocals from everyone. Tookoo, and kang Mao from Subs. These songs are like the best diary entries ever. I just have to strap on the iPod and I'm back there. It might be flag-waving or celebratory or fuck-knows-what to be in China making music with 30 or 40 of the coolest people on the planet and have a song be about that, but so what." This was all new and strange and exciting and all of my senses were up and fences down. So there. " Li Qing - Guitar // Li Wei Si - Bass // Yang Hai Sung - PK14 Vocal // Tookoo - Gang Vocals // Kang Mao - Vocals // Xi Chen - Megaphone // + Martin Atkins -- / Produced Mixed and arranged by Martin Atkins at Mattress Factory Chicago / Engineers - Tom VX & Miguel Torres /// All songs published by Mattress Factory Music. // This song written by Atkins/Si/Qing.		0:12:26 (Pop-up)
Brian Brain	Fun People "Fun People" by "Brian Brain"	Culture	Secret Records	1980	Atkins formed Brian Brain with Pete Jones (who also played with Public Image Ltd in 1982 and 1983) on bass (in 1983 replaced by original Go-Gos' bassist Margot Olavarria) and Bobby Surgeoner on guitar (later replaced by Olavarria's husband, Geoff Smyth). Named after the Worcestershire and Gloucestershire seam bowler Brian Brain, the band released six singles and one LP (Unexpected Noises) on Secret Records,[3] and continued to release singles and LPs on Atkins' own Plaid Records throughout the 1980s. The band had a minor indie chart hit in 1980 with "They've Got Me in the Bottle" (#39),[4] and club hits with the singles "Jive Jive" (1981) and "Funky Zoo" (1982)."On the first releases of his band Brian Brain (1980-82), Martin Atkins used the name Brian Brain as an Alias for himself, too."		0:16:22 (Pop-up)
Pigface	Suck "Suck" by "Pigface"	Gub	Invisible Records	1993	"Gub is the debut studio album by American rock band Pigface. It is notable for featuring contributions from Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, with Reznor later re-recording the song "Suck" for the Nine Inch Nails EP, Broken, released in 1992." Martin Atkins - Drums / William Rieflin - Drums and Guitar / Paul Barker - Bass / Trent Reznor - Vocals / Kurt Moore - Camera		0:18:49 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Pigface	Symphony For Taps "Symphony For Taps" by "Pigface"	Gub	Invisible Records	1993	Atkins - Howard Johnsons // Written-By – Atkins		0:22:30 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Pigface	The Greenhouse "The Greenhouse" by "Pigface"	Gub	Invisible Records	1993	Atkins - Bodhrán, Doritos Bag / Rieflin - Drums & Cases / Albini - Oscillators // Written-By – Atkins, Rieflin		0:23:56 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins	Martin Atkins Interview Pt. 1 2022 w/ Transmissions From Echo Beach on WFMU	Transmissions From Echo Beach / WFMU / Martin Atkins Interview	WFMU	2022		*	0:31:27 (Pop-up)
Pigface	Mind Your Own Business "Mind Your Own Business" by "Pigface"	Easy Listening...	Underground, Inc., Invisible, Caroline Distribution	2003	Cover of the excellent Delta 5 song (originally from 1979). "Mind Your Own Business" has remained the band's most enduring song, having been covered by Chicks on Speed, Le Shok, R. Stevie Moore, Dum Dum Girls...and of course, Pigface. Pigface is Martin Atkins' own supergroup. Invisible Records is his own label.		0:56:28 (Pop-up)
Public Image Ltd.	Bad Baby "Bad Baby" by "Public Image Ltd."	Second Edition / Metal Box	Island / Virgin Records	1979	"After a short succession of drummers Atkins finally joined PiL in September 1979; in order to complete sessions for 'Metal Box' (he was their 6th drummer in 18 months). His audition for the band is the studio recording of 'Bad Baby' as included on 'Metal Box'. Atkins twice previously tried to join PiL: “I tried to join when John first left the Pistols. I came down from Durham for the auditions, but I had to go back early and so I fluffed that one. I tried again when Richard Dudanski joined. Then when he left, I called Keith who said come along. It was just me pestering them really…" Atkins is probably PiL's best known drummer, and also regarded by many as their best. He had three separate stints with the band 1979-85 and contributed to 'Flowers of Romance', 'Commercial Zone' and 'This is What You Want...'. His live debut was the 'Paris Au Printemps' live album in 1980. He also toured 1982/3 and 1984/5 before leaving in June 1985. Atkins later claimed Lydon wrote 'FFF' directly about his departure: "Farewell my fairweather friend…""		0:59:53 (Pop-up)
Brian Brain	At Home He's A Tourist	Culture	Secret Records	1980	Martin Atkin's band covering Gang Of Four's 1979 classic song... A year later! Gang Of Four singer Jon King recalled this hard rock number about domestic alienation and the unconscious oppression of consumer fun and culture to Clash Magazine: "Sometimes, you get lucky and a line comes that makes everything easy. Suddenly getting the answer to a question when you turn off and think about something else. Thrown-ness - if that's a word at all – was something we puzzled over. Why, if everything like it is, do so many things seem ersatz, phoney. But it's not phoney if you know it's phoney, as Truman Capote said of Holly Golightly "she's not a phoney because she's a real phoney." So, with this present from nowhere, (guitarist Andy) Gill was inspired and created the perfect existential squawl,"		1:04:23 (Pop-up)
Public Image Ltd.	Chant (BBC Session)	Plastic Box	Virgin Records	1979 / 1999 / 2009	PiL's only John Peel Session! Recorded on 10 December 1979 by Public Image Ltd for the John Peel show on BBC Radio 1 and broadcast on the 17th of that month.		1:08:10 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Opium Jukebox	God Save The Queen "God Save The Queen" by "Opium Jukebox"	Never Mind The Bhangra: A Tribute To The Sex Pistols	Caroline Records	2002	"Opium Jukebox is a side project of Martin Atkins (of Pigface). Instrumental cover tunes done in a smoked out South Asian downtempo style."		1:13:25 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins	Martin Atkins Interview Pt. 2 2022 w/ Transmissions From Echo Beach on WFMU	Transmissions From Echo Beach / WFMU / Martin Atkins Interview	WFMU	2022		*	1:20:35 (Pop-up)
The Damage Manual	South Pole Fighters	Limited Edition	Invisible Records	2005	Originally stemming from discussions between Atkins and Wobble, Damage Manual was born! After writing and arranging material through exchanging recordings from their own respective studios, the trio, with the addition of Geordie Walker, had put together a batch of instrumental ideas in need of a vocalist. It has been said that they originally approached John Lydon (Public Image Ltd, Sex Pistols) for an amicable resurgence (both Atkins and Wobble did notable work in PiL) but he declined the opportunity. Drums, Effects [Low End Tweaks And Blips] – Martin Atkins Engineer – Steven Seibold* Guitar, Bass Guitar – Steven Seibold* Lead Vocals, E-Bow – Chris Connelly Lyrics By – Chris Connelly Guitar – Chris Connelly Programmed By [Additional] – Lee Fraser		1:31:54 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: The Damage Manual	Expand (Remix By CAN)	Limited Edition	Invisible Records	2005	Remixed by Irmin Schmidt, of CAN. In 1968, Schmidt founded the experimental krautrock band Can with Holger Czukay, Michael Karoli, and Jaki Liebezeit. Schmidt served as Can's keyboardist until the group's disbandment in 1979. He participated in both reunions of Can, in 1986 and 1991. This (original) lineup of The Damage Manual was composed of Bass – Jah Wobble / Drums, Loops – Martin Atkins / Guitar – Geordie Walker / Vocals – Chris Connelly / Synths & Drum Programming - Lee Fraser //// A band of Martin Atkins. On a label of Martin Atkins. Recorded in Martin Atkins' studio. Produced by Martin Atkins.		1:35:13 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins	Martin Atkins Interview Pt. 3 2022 w/ Transmissions From Echo Beach on WFMU	Transmissions From Echo Beach / WFMU / Martin Atkins Interview	WFMU	2022		*	1:44:32 (Pop-up)
Link to Martin's Post Punk and Industrial Music Museum: PPIM Museum Chicago
Martin Atkins Facebook: Martin Clive Atkins - Facebook
Invisible Records, a label founded by Martin Atkins, 300+ records released (and counting) Invisible Records FB
Martin Atkins Twitter: https://twitter.com/marteeeen
Pete Jones' Brian Brain photos: Brian Brain Photos!
Martin Atkins website: Investigate all things Martin Atkins here! -- https://martinatkins.bigcartel.com/about
Music behind DJ: Your DJs Speak	Your DJs Speak, a short transition...						1:50:25 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins	Museum of PPIM Preview (Youtube Museum walk-through: Mar 17, 2022)	Museum of PPIM Preview	InvisibleTelevision	2022	Mar 17, 2022: A preview of items in the Museum of Post Punk and Industrial Music Chicago presented by Martin Atkins... Take the visual tour on Youtube here: Museum of PPIM Preview		1:52:58 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins	Museum of PPIM Catalogue Package Preview (Oct 29, 2022)	Museum of PPIM Preview	InvisibleTelevision	2022	Oct 29, 2022: A preview of The first edition of the Catalog for the Museum of Post Punk and Industrial Music Chicago presented by Martin Atkins. Take a look at the video & catalogue here: Museum of PPIM Catalog Package Preview	*	1:58:37 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Your hosts announce	Your hosts announce
Killing Joke	Money Is Not Our God	Killing Joke: The Singles Collection 1979-2012	Spinefarm Records	1990 / 2013	Originally from "Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions", the eighth studio album by English post-punk band Killing Joke, released in November 1990 by Noise Records. "After the commercial failure of their previous album Outside the Gate in 1988, singer Jaz Coleman and guitarist Geordie Walker were the last remaining members of the group. In December 1988, they recruited new musicians to perform a one-off concert in Porchester and premiered new songs, including early versions of "Extremities" and "The Beautiful Dead". The band didn't have any support of a record company anymore: Virgin had fired them and their label E.G. sued them. Coleman stated that it was a very stressful period of time for him and Walker. The new material was more intense, the band performed it live during a US tour in 1989. Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions was recorded in 1990 for a German independent label: bassist Paul Raven was called back before entering into the studio. Drummer Martin Atkins, formerly of Public Image Ltd and Ministry, had joined the band in 1988 and co-composed the songs with Coleman and Walker. "Money Is Not Our God" was the leading single of the album. The new line-up toured extensively to support the album in 1991."		2:02:51 (Pop-up)
Nine Inch Nails	Wish (Remixed by J.G. Thirwell)	Fixed	Nothing / TVT Interscope	1992	A fantastically Atkins-forward remix of the much-celebrated NiN song. "Thirlwell was born in Melbourne, Australia. He briefly studied Fine Art at Melbourne State College (now part of the University of Melbourne) before moving to London, England in 1978, where he played with the post-punk band prag VEC and formed the first of his numerous musical projects, Foetus. In the 1980s, under the pseudonyms Clint Ruin and Frank Want, he contributed to various releases by Nurse With Wound, Marc Almond, The The and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. He co-wrote "Wings Off Flies" on From Her to Eternity, the first Bad Seeds album. Longtime Nick Cave associate Mick Harvey would later report that Thirlwell's time in the band was cut short, in part, by a clash between Thirlwell's highly structured studio routine as contrasted with Cave's at-the-time habit of "shambling through it" while recording. Thirlwell released his first 7-inch single, OKFM/Spite Your Face, in 1981, on his own Self-Immolation record label in his first incarnation as Foetus. Over the next few years, he would release two more singles, a 12" EP, and four full-length albums, Deaf, Ache, Hole and Nail (Some Bizzare Records) . After visiting the United States during a live stint with the Immaculate Consumptive (Lydia Lunch, Nick Cave and Marc Almond) Thirlwell settled in New York City, where he is still based. Since his move he has released several singles, fourteen EPs (including Stinkfist, with fellow New York artist Lydia Lunch and Thurston Moore), and seventeen full-length albums. In addition to being a prolific artist in his own right, Thirlwell has remixed and produced numerous pieces for artists including Faith No More, Nine Inch Nails, Pantera, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, The The, Zola Jesus, Front 242, and Swans. He has also done voice-over work for MTV and other entities. Since 2000, Thirlwell has become more active as a composer, having written commissions for Bang on a Can, League of Electronic Musical Urban Robots, and the Kronos Quartet, and scoring cartoons The Venture Bros. for Adult Swim and Archer for FX. His most recent project was scoring the John Hodgman and David Rees cartoon detective show Dicktown. He also revived his primary instrumental project, Steroid Maximus, and initiated a more experimental instrumental project in Manorexia. He continues to write and perform regularly as a solo artist and with various ensembles. He is also a member of the freq_out sound art collective, and has created solo sound installations in Kaliningrad, Santarcangelo and Vienna."		2:09:16 (Pop-up)
Ministry	Stigmata - Live "Stigmata - Live" by "Ministry"	In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up	Sire / WEA	1990	Ministry live for "The Cage Tour" w/ Martin Atkins drumming.
Pigface	The Horse You Rode In On "The Horse You Rode In On" by "Pigface"	Easy Listening...	Underground, Inc., Invisible, Caroline Distribution	2003	Does this feature Penn Jillette on vocals? Yes, it most certainly does... ...Also... Charles Levi: Bass // Julian Beeston: Programming, korgs, etc. // Fallon Bowman: Guitars // Martin Atkins: Drums and Scratch // Curse Mackey: Chorus voices... Fucks by you, Cliff & Kara Livingston, Steven Marceau, H. Walters and Jason Smirchich. Penn Jillette's voice recorded at Living Dead Studios. Engineered by Ezekiel Kazem. Words by Martin Atkins, Penn Jillette, and you! Watch out for VER. 2.1 with Jared Louche.

Listener comments!
	7:58pm DJ Babs: Hello and greetings Beachers! We are super stoked for tonight's show. This interview and tune selection is QUITE fantastic! We'll be starting shortly.....
	🏝 8:00pm Scott67: G'day Babs, Derek & Beached! Welcome Martin! 🌏☀️💻🎶🍻😎🤙💨🍺🍺🍺🌻
	8:01pm Robm: Hello fellow echo beach listeners
	8:01pm Krys O.: Hi!
	8:01pm ultradamno: Babs! Derek! Martin! Beach Bums!
	8:02pm Your Pretend Boyfriend: Hello hello!
	8:02pm DJ Babs: Dunno if Martin will make it to the chat but he is with us in prerecorded interview spirit! LOL!!!
	8:03pm Krys O.: Yes!
	8:03pm DJ Babs: Hello Scott! Hello Robm! Hi Krys! Heya UD! And YPB! Happy Belated Birthday to you my friend!
	8:03pm Robm: Hey krys O Hey scott67
	🏝 8:04pm Kristine: hi all!
	🏝 8:04pm Scott67: PiL 🍻😎🤙
	🏝 8:04pm WR: I've beached.
	🏝 8:04pm Kat in Chicago: Looking forward to the interview!
	8:04pm DJ Babs: Hi Kristine!!!! Hi WR!!!!
	🏝 8:04pm Scott67: G'day Robm! 🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	8:04pm DJ Babs: Howdy Kat! so great to see you all here! It's a fantastic interview I could listen to MA all day!
	8:04pm Dominick: Hello all
	8:05pm Derek Westerholm: Hello all!!!! Yes, we are looking forward to airing the interview! Hurrah!
	8:05pm DJ Babs: Hi Dominick! Welcome! Welcome!
	8:06pm TroyD8: Hi everyone. Listening while making dinner.
	8:06pm DJ Babs: Hi TroyD8! What's on the menu tonite?
	8:06pm Krys O.: I was at the Ritz for that PiL show.
	8:07pm DJ Babs: Niiiiiice!
	8:07pm Your Pretend Boyfriend: Thank you 🙏 Babs 🎂🎂🎂
	8:08pm DJ Blush: Hi family! Hi Babs & Derek! Listening to the show while playing video games
	8:08pm TroyD8: Khichdi.
	8:09pm DJ Babs: Hello Hello Blush!!!!
	8:11pm DJ Babs: I hope you all had a fantastic halloween!!!!
	8:12pm Mr Fab: Hey al! Totally psyched for this: I was suuuuch a PiL obsessive back in the day. Saw 'em a couple times.
	8:13pm Robm: @DJ Babs did not get too many kids so had some left over candy
	8:13pm DJ Babs: Hello Hello Mr. Fab. YES. I was a little starstruck doing this particular interview I admit. Martin has much to teach us all! lol
	8:13pm DJ Babs: Ahh Rob there is nothing sweeter than leftover candy!!!!!
	🏝 8:14pm Scott67: I still fucken love PiL Mr.F!🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	8:14pm DJ Babs: I DJ'd an 80's night and it was SO much fun! My costume turned out pretty good I think!!!! www.instagram.com...
	8:15pm DJ Babs: Agreed on PIL. That shit holds up so hard. I'm also VERY into this track! Very interesting story behind this project thjat Derek will discuss!
	8:17pm Robm: @DJ Babs ever since I happened to start listening to WFMU and the streams i feel its a continuous music education
	8:17pm DJ Babs: lol doing this show alone has made me that much smarter I learn so much every week!!!!
	8:18pm DJ Babs: That's what makes WFMU" so special!!!!
	8:18pm Krys O.: Brian Brain played at a tiny club called The Jetty in Bloomfield in the mid-80s. The Meat Puppets and Borbetomagus played there too.
	8:19pm Robm: @Babs oh hell yeah all the djs put so much effort into their shows and they never mail it in
	8:20pm DJ Babs: Derek is hustling around hard in the studio tonight for sure lol!
	8:20pm DJ Babs: I would have loved to see Brian Brain!!!!
	8:21pm Alli B: Comin in at Pigface! Suuuup!
	8:22pm Mr Fab: what years did Martin play in PiL? Not sure if he was in the lineups I saw.
	8:22pm DJ Babs: awwww yeahhhhh Hi Alli!!!!!!
	8:22pm Svenna: Bold !
	8:22pm Alli B: Hiiiii!
	8:22pm DJ Babs: He was 79 then 81-85...he came and went! We never asked hiim why he got fired the first tiime lol...
	8:23pm DJ Blush: Hiiieeeeeee
	8:23pm DJ Babs: Hello Hellol Svenna! Welcome welcome!
	8:23pm DJ Babs: Pigface does make me feel oh so young again!
	8:25pm Alli B: Oh yeah Pigface was a huge band of my youth!
	8:26pm DJ Babs: Riding to class at uni with it cranked in my walkman headphones on the TTC....
	8:28pm DJ Babs: WHY DOES CRICKET EXIST?
	🏝 8:28pm Scott67: Ahem!!! AUSTRALIA!!! 🍻😎🤙🏏 A great Cricketing Nation!
	8:28pm Wendy McDonald: Saw Pigface in Chicago at Cabaret Metro was crazy!
	8:29pm Robm: @DJ Babs wondered that myself from time to time
	8:29pm DJ Babs: Oh no! Scott! You're so right!
	8:30pm Robm: @Scott67 thought it was Australian rules football?
	🏝 8:30pm Scott67: Cricket exsists cos Baseball is boring as bat shit! 🦇💩⚾
	8:30pm Robm: @Scott67 bite me:)
	🏝 8:31pm Scott67: T20 World Cricket Cup is currently being played in Australia!
	8:31pm laurapanic: yeh hi, I'm Australian, I love punk rock, no wave and 5 day test cricket.
	8:31pm laurapanic: Australian Rules football is only really popular in certain states, and not in mine.
	🏝 8:32pm Scott67: Fucken oath Laura!!🍻😎🤙💨☕❤️
	8:32pm Robm: @Laura gotcha saw it back on the day on ESPN
	8:32pm laurapanic: Hey Scott, you know its summer when the test cricket is on at 8pm from the WACA
	🏝 8:32pm Scott67: Bite my Kookaburra Balls Robm!🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	8:33pm DJ Babs: hahahah! I WILL agree I'd rather sit thru a cricket match than a baseball game!!!
	8:33pm Robm: @Scott what the fuck ever:)
	8:34pm Robm: I will do you one better i like to watch pro wrestling
	8:35pm DJ Babs: I can't imagine Martin Atkins being a terrible DJ EVER
	🏝 8:35pm Scott67: Joke Robm!🍻😎🤙💨🍺 www.kookaburrasport.com.au...
	8:35pm Mr Fab: Whoooooaah, he's on the live Ministry album?! GODHEAD!!
	8:36pm DJ Babs: Yeah...he really is the shit...it's crazy all he's done. I would LOVE to take his courses in music business management/artistry
	8:36pm Robm: @Scott67 i know i put a smiley at the end of bite me
	8:36pm DJ Babs: I wish I'd had his books when I was a touring musician...lol
	🏝 8:36pm Scott67: AFL Footy is like WWE with a ball Robm! 🏉
	8:38pm DJ Babs: I''m dying to go to his museum!!!
	8:39pm Robm: @Scott67 heard that from other people
	🏝 8:39pm WR: Atkins is a true gem. Amazing.
	8:40pm DJ Babs: Honestly it's true! His energy is infectious it truly is!
	8:41pm DJ Babs: I also love that he has a coffee brand LOL
	8:42pm Alli B: I love that song Steve Albini Fucked Pac-Man by Sockeye
	8:42pm DJ Babs: hahah! I remember that one!!!
	8:44pm Svenna: Amazing interview
	8:44pm shellioh: salut new amies!!!
	8:44pm Tome: Great interview wow !<>!
	8:44pm DJ Babs: Hello Hello0 Shelli!!!!
	8:44pm Derek Westerholm: So sorry I'm not so chatty... Live Queueing & entering & tippy tapping to fill in all the info...
	8:44pm Derek Westerholm: Thanks Tome!!!!
	8:44pm DJ Babs: Hi Tome! Honestly, Martin is just a joy to interview!
	8:45pm Derek Westerholm: ^ What Babs said!
	8:45pm shellioh: so happy to get to tune in!!!
	8:45pm Robm: Great interview
	8:45pm Tome: so clever Martin a pleasure listening and not too shabby on the drums either ...
	🏝 8:45pm Scott67: On a self promotion moment; I've chucked a new Avatar up. It's a drawing 'self Portrait' based on The Fly original movie. It will be in competition to win the TRASH CULT T-Shirt Design Prize, this weekend. If anyone wants to check out some awesome work online, & maybe vote for mine? 🍻😎🤙💨🍺🪰
	8:46pm DJ Babs: He is so fucking amazing as a Drummer...one of the best and often overlooked! And thank you for the info Scott!!! Ya got my vote!!!
	🏝 8:46pm Scott67: & yes! Martin is awesome!!🍻
	8:47pm Derek Westerholm: Museum whiskey! Museum Coffee! Museum haircuts! How can you lose?
	8:48pm DJ Babs: you forgot Museum pancakes!!!
	8:48pm Derek Westerholm: There's so many things in the Museum... It's easy to forget.
	🏝 8:49pm Scott67: Cheers Babs! Online Voting begins this weekend & runs for a week or two mate. 🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	🏝 8:50pm Kat in Chicago: 169!
	8:50pm ultradamno: The Indianapolis International Film Festival is held at IMA, it was always nice to loiter among the pics between films
	🏝 8:50pm WR: Now wanna go to Chicago again to visit this museum. It's been a while since I was last there.
	8:51pm Robm: @Kat you know where that museum is in Chicago?
	🏝 8:51pm Kat in Chicago: I must admit I have never been there!
	🏝 8:52pm Kat in Chicago: I should fix that.
	8:52pm DJ Babs: www.facebook.com...
	8:52pm DJ Babs: we will add all of martin's links in the chat at the end of the show!!!
	8:53pm ultradamno: twitter.com...
	8:54pm DJ Babs: Insta: www.instagram.com...
	8:55pm ?: ❤️❤️❤️
	🏝 8:55pm WR: Thanks Babs, I am on his site and haven't found anything yet about the museum.
	8:57pm Robm: @Kat no problem
	8:57pm DJ Babs: I need this on vinyl for my DJ night!!!
	8:58pm DJ Babs: we are getting our dance on here in the studio lol
	🏝 9:01pm Kristine: 1979 is indeed the best year for music, and am a bit biased as i was born that year:)
	9:02pm DJ Babs: Ha! I was a staunch 81 supporter but Derek is making me rethink that. Ultradamno is also a 79'er!
	9:02pm ultradamno: i was born in 66, which I think is competitive
	9:03pm DJ Blush: Woooo
	9:03pm DJ Babs: wooo indeed! We are heading to those years now this is our 70th show! So you know the 79 special is coming!!!!
	9:04pm Mr Fab: It's quite possible that I have listened to "Metal Box/Second Edition" more than any other album.
	9:05pm ultradamno: I kind of waffle, doing the 5 albums 79 really overwhelmed me with what there was that year....but Slash and Ralph did so much heavy lifting in 81..
	9:07pm ultradamno: I think Wild Gift or Chairs Missing hold that honor for me
	9:07pm DJ Blush: This is delicious
	9:07pm Mr Fab: There's also the question of when albums REALLY came out. Lots of great Brit albums didn't come out n America til a year or two later. "My Life In The Bush of Ghosts" was recorded in '79 but not released til a few years later...
	9:08pm Cp304: If I only could have got off the school bus to hear this instead of watching mtv at 5 yrs old
	9:09pm DJ Babs: Agreed! That's why I always give a year's grace Mr. Fab....living in Canada we got everything just a bit later it seems...with a few exceptions. Fuck also I LOVE this peel session version....
	9:10pm DJ Babs: ITS SO FUCKING GOOD.
	9:21pm DJ Babs: lol did that last set blow all your minds and kill our chat?!
	9:22pm DJ Blush: Hahah
	9:22pm Svenna: Hypnotized
	9:23pm Derek Westerholm: Svenna!!!!! Helllllllooooo!!!!
	9:25pm Mr Fab: it's funny to hear him say that punk was "over" by 1979. It hadn't even gone hardcore yet! But that was more American, I guess.
	9:25pm DJ Babs: I'm enjoying some leftover souvlaki and wine at the moment (the wine is not leftover) It's like a dinner date with you guys and martin atkins!!!
	9:26pm DJ Babs: Agreed Fab! One could argue the postpunk lasted longer than punk. But I guess punk really started in 76 soooooo
	9:26pm DJ Babs: If not earlier, depending on who you talk to.....
	9:27pm Derek Westerholm: Hello Svenna, Blush, Cp304, Fab, Ultra, Kristine, Robm, WR, ?, Kat, Scott, Tome, Shelli, AlliB/K, Laura, Wendy, KrysO, TroyD8, YPB, Dominick, hello hello hello hello... Sorry to be so late to the greetings!!!!!!!!!!
	9:28pm ultradamno: I remember a Creem review of Sham 69's first album that expressed that exact kind of reaction you hear him saying about Punk's Not Dead, like 'you're still doing that?'
	9:28pm DJ Babs: I admit I love the internet...without it we wouldn't be here with you amazing people but I also do miss those days!
	9:29pm DJ Babs: Agreed UD, I could do a whole show..month of shows on 60's punk garage bands....
	🏝 9:30pm Scott67: You had me at Leftover Souvlaki Babs!🌯🍷 I'm scoffing a hotdog with a can of beer mate! 🍺😎🤙🌭
	9:30pm DJ Babs: aww bless "am I allowed to swear?" OH FUCk YES! lol
	9:31pm MHLee: hehehello
	🏝 9:31pm WR: Swearing is required, id'nt it?
	9:31pm DJ Babs: hello hello MH!!!
	9:31pm DJ Babs: hahah yes it is!
	9:32pm DJ Blush: So good!
	9:34pm DJ Babs: I don't actually think there's another musician who has actually consistently been in so many bands that I've loved! Really...it's pretty sick when you think about it!
	9:34pm DJ Babs: Plus drummers just don't get the credit they should!!!!
	🏝 9:35pm Scott67: I'm left handed, but a Lover not a Fighter! Oh South POLE! 🍻😎🤙
	9:36pm DJ Babs: I'm a lefty too Scott!!!
	🏝 9:37pm Kat in Chicago: this CAN remix of Damage Manual is very cool
	9:38pm DJ Babs: Right!?
	🏝 9:40pm Scott67: Lefties make better lovers Babs! I'm a bloody Aquarian too, so it's quirky on roids with me! Personality that is, not lov..... nevermind! 🍻😎🤙💨🍷🌯
	9:43pm DJ Babs: hahaha! You got that right Scott! We do make better lovers!!
	🏝 9:43pm WR: Lefties!
	9:45pm Cp304: It's so good to be here, thanks you, and thanks Mr.Fab for giving me directions
	9:46pm DJ Babs: you can legit hear my excitement during this exchange with Martin! I was too giddy to do the interview with derek, LOL
	9:46pm DJ Babs: We're so glad to have you Cp304
	9:50pm Krys O.: Thanks for such a great show!
	9:51pm TroyD8: Thank you so much for the fantastic interview/show!
	9:51pm Cp304: A great listen tonight!
	9:52pm Mr Fab: What an absolutely awesome guy. I knew he had a crucial history, but the man himself is a great interview.Love his enthusiasm. he's still 100% in the music.
	🏝 9:52pm Scott67: WR, I'm also very Left field & Politics mate! 🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	9:53pm ultradamno: Chris Cutler maybe?
	9:54pm ultradamno: Nice to hear good drummer news, after the Nervosa news and DH Peligro passing
	🏝 9:55pm Scott67: I've Clicky Starred⭐ this Ep. Not just cos I love it, but it's a fucken Social History Document!! You both should be very proud! 🍻😎🤙💨🍺🍷❤️❤️
	9:56pm DJ Babs: aww thank you Scott! Derek put a lot of love in this interview to be sure!!!! So glad it's safe forever in the WFMU archives!!!!
	9:56pm DJ Babs: Agreed UD that was so sad to hear about DH Peligro.
	🏝 9:57pm Kat in Chicago: Well done, you two! Thank you!
	9:58pm DJ Babs: Thank you thank you! We should have done a 3 hour show there's so much amazing music we didn't play!!!
	9:59pm DJ Babs: We'll run a little late tonight ;-)
	9:59pm Alli B: Thank you!
	9:59pm DJ Babs: Thank you Alli!!!!
	10:00pm Mr Fab: you run as long as you want you crazy kids
	10:00pm DJ Blush: So friggen awesome, Amazing show you guys!
	🏝 10:02pm Scott67: Run all night guys!!❤️❤️🍁
	🏝 10:03pm Scott67: Even if ya don't like Cricket... oh no.....!❤️🏏
	🏝 10:03pm Scott67: FUCK YESSSS!!!!
	10:04pm DJ Babs: Thanks buddies! Big Beach Hugs all around to the best chat crew ever!!!! ❤️
	🏝 10:04pm WR: I bought the catalogue. Just started shipping this week. Wooot! Thank you! Great episode!
	10:04pm DJ Babs: amazing thank you WR!!!
	10:04pm Krys O.: If I recall correctly, this video was shown on both Headbangers Ball and 120 Minutes. LOVED it sooooo much!
	10:04pm Derek Westerholm: WR, I'll be right behind you on that purchase...
	10:04pm ultradamno: The lack of b-sides on this comp is frustrating....
	🏝 10:05pm Scott67: Happy sandy cracks to all my mates! 🩲👙🩴🩴
	10:05pm DJ Babs: Ha! UD perhaps another release in future!
	10:05pm DJ Babs: lol @ Sandy Cracks! We're gonna have to put that in the Echo Beach lexicon!
	10:05pm Derek Westerholm: As a special bonus, since we said we were running over, let's play the J.G. Thirwell remix of "Wish" by Nine Inch Nails, shall we? It's very Martin Atkins centric.
	🏝 10:06pm Scott67: Gritty stuff Babs!❤️
	10:06pm Derek Westerholm: And then, the Ministry live "Stigmata"
	🏝 10:07pm Scott67: Go for it Derek!!!
	10:07pm DJ Babs: hahah we just can't stop!!!
	10:07pm Derek Westerholm: Enjoy some extra (off-archive) content, dear friends!!!
	10:07pm ultradamno: Since you brought him up, as I mentioned in the KS talkback, Thirlwell was recently interviewed on the Noisextra podcast www.noisextra.com...
	10:07pm DJ Babs: I'm game! I got a big bottle of wine and birthday cake! We celebrated Derek's mum's 90th today!
	🏝 10:07pm Scott67: I got nowhere to go but TRASH CULT in 4 hours!
	🏝 10:09pm Scott67: JOYFUCKENFUL!!
	10:09pm ultradamno: Also, since tomorrow is BC Friday, No Part Of It is having a 15% off sale with code votewithmurder and will apparently be putting up a Illusion of Safety/Z'ev collab nopartofit.bandcamp.com...
	🏝 10:09pm Scott67: He's an Aussie too!
	10:10pm ultradamno: Actually that pre-order is up now nopartofit.bandcamp.com...
	10:10pm DJ Babs: sweeet! Tomorrow is hungoveratwork Friday for me but I DO NOT CARE!
	10:10pm Derek Westerholm: Scott, I just learnt that today!!!!!!
	10:12pm DJ Babs: I will say that seeing NIN for the first time at the very first lollapolooza was a landmark moment for me. It was BANANS
	🏝 10:12pm Scott67: Derek, I love me a bit of Foetus! as long as it ain't growin!
	10:12pm Mr Fab: Haha, I heard that! I loved Ministry's studio stuff, but "In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up" really is just incredible - the ultimate speed-rush.
	10:12pm Derek Westerholm: Ultra, great tips for BC Friday!!!!!!!!!
	10:13pm ultradamno: Did you know NNN is just Rick Astley inverted? twitter.com...
	10:13pm Derek Westerholm: Mr. Fab, it really is! Have you seen the video Martin talked about? I've never seen any video from that tour...
	10:13pm Derek Westerholm: Ultra, haha, now I do!!!!!
	10:14pm Mr Fab: Have not seen that video. My eyes are getting fried just thinking about it. Steroid Maximus is great, too. Did Mr Foetus ever actually release anything in Australia-only before moving overseas?
	10:15pm DJ Babs: lol so much for easing gently into the night.......
	10:16pm DJ Babs: I learned all about Foetus from my weed dealer. He was OBSESSED.
	10:16pm ultradamno: Seems like he was in London a lot early, he talks about hooking up with Whitehouse because he met Bennett from going to Essential Logic shows
	10:17pm DJ Babs: Ultradamno YES when I saw that...mind blown LOL
	🏝 10:19pm Scott67: I heard Scraping Foetus Of The Wheel first when I was 16. On late night local Radio Show called Possible Musics; with Jaques Soddell (now a friend).
	🏝 10:20pm Scott67: Keep goin Derek!!!🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	🏝 10:20pm Scott67: Off*
	10:20pm DJ Babs: hahaha!
	10:21pm ultradamno: PragVEC was his pre-Foetus band and they were UK
	10:21pm Mr Fab: what can you POSSIBLY follow this with?! This I can't wait to hear!
	10:21pm DJ Babs: Meep Moop is singing along to this one!
	10:22pm Derek Westerholm: Mr Fab... Just you wait, hahaha
	10:29pm Derek Westerholm: Wait for it...
	10:31pm Mr Fab: Well done, this is PERFECT.
	🏝 10:32pm Scott67: Everything is Fucked!✌️😎🍻❤️
	10:32pm Derek Westerholm: Pigface The Horse You Rode In Easy Listening...
	10:32pm Derek Westerholm: Thanks Fab / Scott!!!!
	10:32pm Derek Westerholm: Thanks for sticking with us to the end!!!!!!
	10:32pm DJ Babs: woohooo!!!!
	10:33pm DJ Babs: Goodnight everyone!!!!!!!!!!
	10:33pm ultradamno: But can he be fooled?
	🏝 10:34pm WR: Thankkk Yoouuuuu!
	10:34pm ultradamno: (now I have an idea in my head of that show being a string of aspiring magicians being told FUCK MAGIC by him)

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"MARTIN ATKINS IS THE DEFINITION OF ENTREPRENEURIAL ACTIVITY IN CULTURAL ARTS ENDEAVORS. His three decades in the music business spans across genres, borders and industries. Having experience in nearly every aspect of record production and promotion has given Martin a unique perspective not only on where the music industry is currently, but where it is going in the future. After playing drums in a variety of English bands, Martin auditioned for and subsequently joined Johnny Rotten’s Public Image Limited in 1979. His first contribution to the band was cowriting and performing on the song “Bad Baby” for the revered Metal Box LP. After touring the world with P.i.L and contributing to several more studio albums Martin left the group in 1985. Over the next five years, he played with and managed Killing Joke and toured with Ministry. In 1990, while on tour with Ministry, he formed his own band, Pigface. He also worked with Nine Inch Nails, performing on the Grammy award winning “Wish” and appearing in the “Head like a Hole” video. Martin began working on the business side of music in 1988 when he formed Invisible Records and then Mattress Factory Studios in 1996. Over two decades Invisible has released over 350 albums and has had placements spanning from the original Miami Vice to Showtime’s Queer as Folk to Robert Altman’s The Company. Atkins wrote his book Tour:Smart in 2007 and has since spoken around the world at major industry conferences, recognized universities, and nonprofit organizations. His distinguished speaking resume includes: SXSW, Warped Tour, CMJ, New Music Seminar, Unconvention, NAMM, By:Larm, Dfest, USC, Drexel, Virginia Commonwealth University, Full Sail, Weiden + Kennedy, Chicago Cultural Center and many more. Atkins currently teaches at Millikin University in Decatur, IL and acts as the Music Business Program Coordinator, leading courses on Touring, Advanced Entrepreneurship, Artist and Event Management, and Online Marketing. When he’s not teaching, you can find him on the road, promoting with his third book, Band:Smart, consulting with artists and organizations, or working on his next book, Memories: My Time In and Out of Public Image Ltd. He is a father of four boys and lives with his wife, Katrina, in Chicago."
Music behind DJ: Sounds Of The Ocean	Beach Sounds "Beach Sounds" by "Sounds Of The Ocean"	Ocean Sounds	Sounds Of The Ocean	2016			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Public Image Limited	Where Are You	This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get	Columbia	1984	This song is about a vacuous socialite, according to Keith Levene it’s about his former girlfriend and former ‘non-musical’ band member Jeannette Lee: Lee has been called the ‘visual assistent’ and apparently brought a multimedia dimension to the band, including using video as an aspect of live performances. This would lead to the ‘riot’ at the Ritz when the band elected to play behind a giant video screen. She also appeared on the cover of 1981’s PiL record The Flowers of Romance. John Lydon was quoted as saying "Jeannette actually never did anything, but she was chucked in there just… for one reason or another. Well she did look after the businessy side of things, and made sure things went out on time. She’s now a director of Rough Trade, so she obviously learnt something."		0:01:20 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Public Image Limited	Lou Reed Pt I	Commercial Zone	PiL Records Inc.	1984	"In May 1981 PiL moved from London to New York City, but in October 1981 their American record contract with Warner Brothers expired and was not renewed. In January 1982 the British music press reported that PiL had tried to record a new album in New York with producers Adam Kidron and Ken Lockie, but split instead – this was promptly denied by the band in a press release the following week. In May 1982 drummer Martin Atkins rejoined the band and PiL started recording their new studio album for Virgin Records at Park South Studios in Manhattan, with sound engineer Bob Miller co-producing. On 29 August 1982 new bassist Pete Jones joined the band in the studio, the new line-up played its debut concert four weeks later (28 September 1982 in New York City). During the second half of 1982 the band planned to form their own record label (Public Enterprise Productions) and license its releases to Stiff Records USA for the American market, but these plans never materialised. In early November 1982 PiL announced the imminent release of a new single "Blue Water" and a six-track mini album You Are Now Entering a Commercial Zone on their new label. This did not happen, with the band instead continuing to record a full-length album at Park South Studios. By March 1983 a new track "This Is Not a Love Song" was earmarked as a new single by the band, but PiL broke up when first Pete Jones and then Keith Levene left the band. The single "This Is Not a Love Song" (with "Blue Water" as a 12" single B-side, both from the Park South sessions) was released in Japan by Nippon Columbia in June 1983. Virgin Records released it in the UK in September 1983, where it went to no.5 in the UK single charts. The remaining members, John Lydon and drummer Martin Atkins hired session musicians to fulfill touring commitments and carried on under the PiL name. In mid-1983, in PiL's absence, Keith Levene took the unfinished album tapes and did his own mix. He then flew over to London and presented them to Richard Branson as the finished new PiL album for Virgin Records, but John Lydon decided to completely abandon the tapes and re-record the whole album from scratch with session musicians. This new version of "Commercial Zone" became "This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get" in 1984. Levene decided to release the album himself on the American market and on 30 January 1984 registered the label PIL Records Inc. for this one-off release. The first limited pressing of 10,000 copies for which Levene paid $8,500 out of his own pocket was self-distributed to record shops around New York City and heavily imported to the UK and European market. A second pressing (with the track listing changed around and a shorter mix of "Bad Night") followed in August 1984 in an edition of 30,000 copies, to compete directly with the official re-recorded album This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get. Virgin Records promptly took legal actions and stopped the distribution and any further re-pressings of Commercial Zone. In 2014 Levene announced plans to revisit Commercial Zone and finally finish it. The 2014 release is called Commercial Zone 2014. In the spring of 2014, Levene went to Prague to record Commercial Zone 2014, which was backed via a crowdsourcing campaign website at Indiegogo."		0:05:38 (Pop-up)
Public Image Limited	Lou Reed Pt II (Where Are You?)	Commercial Zone	PiL Records Inc.	1984	Original release date has been suggested in some instances as 11/83 and Martin Atkins and Pete Jones are credited on drums and bass respectively. "Track by track commentary by the band for "Lou Reed Part 1 & 2"/"Where Are You?": John Lydon (1999): “'Where Are You?' is about departed PIL members. Say no more.” /// Keith Levene (1983/2001): “I don't know what happened between [Jeannette Lee] and John when he went to Italy with her to make that movie, but she left after that.” “[John Lydon had] been back from making his movie, which Jeannette had opted to go off and join him on this glamorous trip. So John came back and Jeannette was officially not in the band any more. We made this tune 'Where Are You?' and it was totally about Jeannette.” /// Pete Jones (2000): “We re-recorded 'Lou Reed Part 2', but that version isn't on 'Commercial Zone'."		0:09:36 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins China Dub Soundsystem	Radio China	Made in China	Invisible China	2007	From the liner notes, by Martin Atkins: "I went to an old market with Bo looking for deals on long forgotten audio equipment, fantasizing that I would stumble across a vintage Neve Console for $10. Instead I left with a partially working (when we hit it on the back) radio. We took it into the studio on a Saturday night and started to radio scratch and the singer from PK14 did a vocal not used here and then I came up with the idea of a broadcast from radio China. Amazing guitar from Li Qing from Carsick Cars and vocals from everyone. Tookoo, and kang Mao from Subs. These songs are like the best diary entries ever. I just have to strap on the iPod and I'm back there. It might be flag-waving or celebratory or fuck-knows-what to be in China making music with 30 or 40 of the coolest people on the planet and have a song be about that, but so what." This was all new and strange and exciting and all of my senses were up and fences down. So there. " Li Qing - Guitar // Li Wei Si - Bass // Yang Hai Sung - PK14 Vocal // Tookoo - Gang Vocals // Kang Mao - Vocals // Xi Chen - Megaphone // + Martin Atkins -- / Produced Mixed and arranged by Martin Atkins at Mattress Factory Chicago / Engineers - Tom VX & Miguel Torres /// All songs published by Mattress Factory Music. // This song written by Atkins/Si/Qing.		0:12:26 (Pop-up)
Brian Brain	Fun People "Fun People" by "Brian Brain"	Culture	Secret Records	1980	Atkins formed Brian Brain with Pete Jones (who also played with Public Image Ltd in 1982 and 1983) on bass (in 1983 replaced by original Go-Gos' bassist Margot Olavarria) and Bobby Surgeoner on guitar (later replaced by Olavarria's husband, Geoff Smyth). Named after the Worcestershire and Gloucestershire seam bowler Brian Brain, the band released six singles and one LP (Unexpected Noises) on Secret Records,[3] and continued to release singles and LPs on Atkins' own Plaid Records throughout the 1980s. The band had a minor indie chart hit in 1980 with "They've Got Me in the Bottle" (#39),[4] and club hits with the singles "Jive Jive" (1981) and "Funky Zoo" (1982)."On the first releases of his band Brian Brain (1980-82), Martin Atkins used the name Brian Brain as an Alias for himself, too."		0:16:22 (Pop-up)
Pigface	Suck "Suck" by "Pigface"	Gub	Invisible Records	1993	"Gub is the debut studio album by American rock band Pigface. It is notable for featuring contributions from Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, with Reznor later re-recording the song "Suck" for the Nine Inch Nails EP, Broken, released in 1992." Martin Atkins - Drums / William Rieflin - Drums and Guitar / Paul Barker - Bass / Trent Reznor - Vocals / Kurt Moore - Camera		0:18:49 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Pigface	Symphony For Taps "Symphony For Taps" by "Pigface"	Gub	Invisible Records	1993	Atkins - Howard Johnsons // Written-By – Atkins		0:22:30 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Pigface	The Greenhouse "The Greenhouse" by "Pigface"	Gub	Invisible Records	1993	Atkins - Bodhrán, Doritos Bag / Rieflin - Drums & Cases / Albini - Oscillators // Written-By – Atkins, Rieflin		0:23:56 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins	Martin Atkins Interview Pt. 1 2022 w/ Transmissions From Echo Beach on WFMU	Transmissions From Echo Beach / WFMU / Martin Atkins Interview	WFMU	2022		*	0:31:27 (Pop-up)
Pigface	Mind Your Own Business "Mind Your Own Business" by "Pigface"	Easy Listening...	Underground, Inc., Invisible, Caroline Distribution	2003	Cover of the excellent Delta 5 song (originally from 1979). "Mind Your Own Business" has remained the band's most enduring song, having been covered by Chicks on Speed, Le Shok, R. Stevie Moore, Dum Dum Girls...and of course, Pigface. Pigface is Martin Atkins' own supergroup. Invisible Records is his own label.		0:56:28 (Pop-up)
Public Image Ltd.	Bad Baby "Bad Baby" by "Public Image Ltd."	Second Edition / Metal Box	Island / Virgin Records	1979	"After a short succession of drummers Atkins finally joined PiL in September 1979; in order to complete sessions for 'Metal Box' (he was their 6th drummer in 18 months). His audition for the band is the studio recording of 'Bad Baby' as included on 'Metal Box'. Atkins twice previously tried to join PiL: “I tried to join when John first left the Pistols. I came down from Durham for the auditions, but I had to go back early and so I fluffed that one. I tried again when Richard Dudanski joined. Then when he left, I called Keith who said come along. It was just me pestering them really…" Atkins is probably PiL's best known drummer, and also regarded by many as their best. He had three separate stints with the band 1979-85 and contributed to 'Flowers of Romance', 'Commercial Zone' and 'This is What You Want...'. His live debut was the 'Paris Au Printemps' live album in 1980. He also toured 1982/3 and 1984/5 before leaving in June 1985. Atkins later claimed Lydon wrote 'FFF' directly about his departure: "Farewell my fairweather friend…""		0:59:53 (Pop-up)
Brian Brain	At Home He's A Tourist	Culture	Secret Records	1980	Martin Atkin's band covering Gang Of Four's 1979 classic song... A year later! Gang Of Four singer Jon King recalled this hard rock number about domestic alienation and the unconscious oppression of consumer fun and culture to Clash Magazine: "Sometimes, you get lucky and a line comes that makes everything easy. Suddenly getting the answer to a question when you turn off and think about something else. Thrown-ness - if that's a word at all – was something we puzzled over. Why, if everything like it is, do so many things seem ersatz, phoney. But it's not phoney if you know it's phoney, as Truman Capote said of Holly Golightly "she's not a phoney because she's a real phoney." So, with this present from nowhere, (guitarist Andy) Gill was inspired and created the perfect existential squawl,"		1:04:23 (Pop-up)
Public Image Ltd.	Chant (BBC Session)	Plastic Box	Virgin Records	1979 / 1999 / 2009	PiL's only John Peel Session! Recorded on 10 December 1979 by Public Image Ltd for the John Peel show on BBC Radio 1 and broadcast on the 17th of that month.		1:08:10 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Opium Jukebox	God Save The Queen "God Save The Queen" by "Opium Jukebox"	Never Mind The Bhangra: A Tribute To The Sex Pistols	Caroline Records	2002	"Opium Jukebox is a side project of Martin Atkins (of Pigface). Instrumental cover tunes done in a smoked out South Asian downtempo style."		1:13:25 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins	Martin Atkins Interview Pt. 2 2022 w/ Transmissions From Echo Beach on WFMU	Transmissions From Echo Beach / WFMU / Martin Atkins Interview	WFMU	2022		*	1:20:35 (Pop-up)
The Damage Manual	South Pole Fighters	Limited Edition	Invisible Records	2005	Originally stemming from discussions between Atkins and Wobble, Damage Manual was born! After writing and arranging material through exchanging recordings from their own respective studios, the trio, with the addition of Geordie Walker, had put together a batch of instrumental ideas in need of a vocalist. It has been said that they originally approached John Lydon (Public Image Ltd, Sex Pistols) for an amicable resurgence (both Atkins and Wobble did notable work in PiL) but he declined the opportunity. Drums, Effects [Low End Tweaks And Blips] – Martin Atkins Engineer – Steven Seibold* Guitar, Bass Guitar – Steven Seibold* Lead Vocals, E-Bow – Chris Connelly Lyrics By – Chris Connelly Guitar – Chris Connelly Programmed By [Additional] – Lee Fraser		1:31:54 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: The Damage Manual	Expand (Remix By CAN)	Limited Edition	Invisible Records	2005	Remixed by Irmin Schmidt, of CAN. In 1968, Schmidt founded the experimental krautrock band Can with Holger Czukay, Michael Karoli, and Jaki Liebezeit. Schmidt served as Can's keyboardist until the group's disbandment in 1979. He participated in both reunions of Can, in 1986 and 1991. This (original) lineup of The Damage Manual was composed of Bass – Jah Wobble / Drums, Loops – Martin Atkins / Guitar – Geordie Walker / Vocals – Chris Connelly / Synths & Drum Programming - Lee Fraser //// A band of Martin Atkins. On a label of Martin Atkins. Recorded in Martin Atkins' studio. Produced by Martin Atkins.		1:35:13 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins	Martin Atkins Interview Pt. 3 2022 w/ Transmissions From Echo Beach on WFMU	Transmissions From Echo Beach / WFMU / Martin Atkins Interview	WFMU	2022		*	1:44:32 (Pop-up)
Link to Martin's Post Punk and Industrial Music Museum: PPIM Museum Chicago
Martin Atkins Facebook: Martin Clive Atkins - Facebook
Invisible Records, a label founded by Martin Atkins, 300+ records released (and counting) Invisible Records FB
Martin Atkins Twitter: https://twitter.com/marteeeen
Pete Jones' Brian Brain photos: Brian Brain Photos!
Martin Atkins website: Investigate all things Martin Atkins here! -- https://martinatkins.bigcartel.com/about
Music behind DJ: Your DJs Speak	Your DJs Speak, a short transition...						1:50:25 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins	Museum of PPIM Preview (Youtube Museum walk-through: Mar 17, 2022)	Museum of PPIM Preview	InvisibleTelevision	2022	Mar 17, 2022: A preview of items in the Museum of Post Punk and Industrial Music Chicago presented by Martin Atkins... Take the visual tour on Youtube here: Museum of PPIM Preview		1:52:58 (Pop-up)
Martin Atkins	Museum of PPIM Catalogue Package Preview (Oct 29, 2022)	Museum of PPIM Preview	InvisibleTelevision	2022	Oct 29, 2022: A preview of The first edition of the Catalog for the Museum of Post Punk and Industrial Music Chicago presented by Martin Atkins. Take a look at the video & catalogue here: Museum of PPIM Catalog Package Preview	*	1:58:37 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Your hosts announce	Your hosts announce
Killing Joke	Money Is Not Our God	Killing Joke: The Singles Collection 1979-2012	Spinefarm Records	1990 / 2013	Originally from "Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions", the eighth studio album by English post-punk band Killing Joke, released in November 1990 by Noise Records. "After the commercial failure of their previous album Outside the Gate in 1988, singer Jaz Coleman and guitarist Geordie Walker were the last remaining members of the group. In December 1988, they recruited new musicians to perform a one-off concert in Porchester and premiered new songs, including early versions of "Extremities" and "The Beautiful Dead". The band didn't have any support of a record company anymore: Virgin had fired them and their label E.G. sued them. Coleman stated that it was a very stressful period of time for him and Walker. The new material was more intense, the band performed it live during a US tour in 1989. Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions was recorded in 1990 for a German independent label: bassist Paul Raven was called back before entering into the studio. Drummer Martin Atkins, formerly of Public Image Ltd and Ministry, had joined the band in 1988 and co-composed the songs with Coleman and Walker. "Money Is Not Our God" was the leading single of the album. The new line-up toured extensively to support the album in 1991."		2:02:51 (Pop-up)
Nine Inch Nails	Wish (Remixed by J.G. Thirwell)	Fixed	Nothing / TVT Interscope	1992	A fantastically Atkins-forward remix of the much-celebrated NiN song. "Thirlwell was born in Melbourne, Australia. He briefly studied Fine Art at Melbourne State College (now part of the University of Melbourne) before moving to London, England in 1978, where he played with the post-punk band prag VEC and formed the first of his numerous musical projects, Foetus. In the 1980s, under the pseudonyms Clint Ruin and Frank Want, he contributed to various releases by Nurse With Wound, Marc Almond, The The and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. He co-wrote "Wings Off Flies" on From Her to Eternity, the first Bad Seeds album. Longtime Nick Cave associate Mick Harvey would later report that Thirlwell's time in the band was cut short, in part, by a clash between Thirlwell's highly structured studio routine as contrasted with Cave's at-the-time habit of "shambling through it" while recording. Thirlwell released his first 7-inch single, OKFM/Spite Your Face, in 1981, on his own Self-Immolation record label in his first incarnation as Foetus. Over the next few years, he would release two more singles, a 12" EP, and four full-length albums, Deaf, Ache, Hole and Nail (Some Bizzare Records) . After visiting the United States during a live stint with the Immaculate Consumptive (Lydia Lunch, Nick Cave and Marc Almond) Thirlwell settled in New York City, where he is still based. Since his move he has released several singles, fourteen EPs (including Stinkfist, with fellow New York artist Lydia Lunch and Thurston Moore), and seventeen full-length albums. In addition to being a prolific artist in his own right, Thirlwell has remixed and produced numerous pieces for artists including Faith No More, Nine Inch Nails, Pantera, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, The The, Zola Jesus, Front 242, and Swans. He has also done voice-over work for MTV and other entities. Since 2000, Thirlwell has become more active as a composer, having written commissions for Bang on a Can, League of Electronic Musical Urban Robots, and the Kronos Quartet, and scoring cartoons The Venture Bros. for Adult Swim and Archer for FX. His most recent project was scoring the John Hodgman and David Rees cartoon detective show Dicktown. He also revived his primary instrumental project, Steroid Maximus, and initiated a more experimental instrumental project in Manorexia. He continues to write and perform regularly as a solo artist and with various ensembles. He is also a member of the freq_out sound art collective, and has created solo sound installations in Kaliningrad, Santarcangelo and Vienna."		2:09:16 (Pop-up)
Ministry	Stigmata - Live "Stigmata - Live" by "Ministry"	In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up	Sire / WEA	1990	Ministry live for "The Cage Tour" w/ Martin Atkins drumming.
Pigface	The Horse You Rode In On "The Horse You Rode In On" by "Pigface"	Easy Listening...	Underground, Inc., Invisible, Caroline Distribution	2003	Does this feature Penn Jillette on vocals? Yes, it most certainly does... ...Also... Charles Levi: Bass // Julian Beeston: Programming, korgs, etc. // Fallon Bowman: Guitars // Martin Atkins: Drums and Scratch // Curse Mackey: Chorus voices... Fucks by you, Cliff & Kara Livingston, Steven Marceau, H. Walters and Jason Smirchich. Penn Jillette's voice recorded at Living Dead Studios. Engineered by Ezekiel Kazem. Words by Martin Atkins, Penn Jillette, and you! Watch out for VER. 2.1 with Jared Louche.

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Listener comments!
	7:58pm DJ Babs: Hello and greetings Beachers! We are super stoked for tonight's show. This interview and tune selection is QUITE fantastic! We'll be starting shortly.....
	🏝 8:00pm Scott67: G'day Babs, Derek & Beached! Welcome Martin! 🌏☀️💻🎶🍻😎🤙💨🍺🍺🍺🌻
	8:01pm Robm: Hello fellow echo beach listeners
	8:01pm Krys O.: Hi!
	8:01pm ultradamno: Babs! Derek! Martin! Beach Bums!
	8:02pm Your Pretend Boyfriend: Hello hello!
	8:02pm DJ Babs: Dunno if Martin will make it to the chat but he is with us in prerecorded interview spirit! LOL!!!
	8:03pm Krys O.: Yes!
	8:03pm DJ Babs: Hello Scott! Hello Robm! Hi Krys! Heya UD! And YPB! Happy Belated Birthday to you my friend!
	8:03pm Robm: Hey krys O Hey scott67
	🏝 8:04pm Kristine: hi all!
	🏝 8:04pm Scott67: PiL 🍻😎🤙
	🏝 8:04pm WR: I've beached.
	🏝 8:04pm Kat in Chicago: Looking forward to the interview!
	8:04pm DJ Babs: Hi Kristine!!!! Hi WR!!!!
	🏝 8:04pm Scott67: G'day Robm! 🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	8:04pm DJ Babs: Howdy Kat! so great to see you all here! It's a fantastic interview I could listen to MA all day!
	8:04pm Dominick: Hello all
	8:05pm Derek Westerholm: Hello all!!!! Yes, we are looking forward to airing the interview! Hurrah!
	8:05pm DJ Babs: Hi Dominick! Welcome! Welcome!
	8:06pm TroyD8: Hi everyone. Listening while making dinner.
	8:06pm DJ Babs: Hi TroyD8! What's on the menu tonite?
	8:06pm Krys O.: I was at the Ritz for that PiL show.
	8:07pm DJ Babs: Niiiiiice!
	8:07pm Your Pretend Boyfriend: Thank you 🙏 Babs 🎂🎂🎂
	8:08pm DJ Blush: Hi family! Hi Babs & Derek! Listening to the show while playing video games
	8:08pm TroyD8: Khichdi.
	8:09pm DJ Babs: Hello Hello Blush!!!!
	8:11pm DJ Babs: I hope you all had a fantastic halloween!!!!
	8:12pm Mr Fab: Hey al! Totally psyched for this: I was suuuuch a PiL obsessive back in the day. Saw 'em a couple times.
	8:13pm Robm: @DJ Babs did not get too many kids so had some left over candy
	8:13pm DJ Babs: Hello Hello Mr. Fab. YES. I was a little starstruck doing this particular interview I admit. Martin has much to teach us all! lol
	8:13pm DJ Babs: Ahh Rob there is nothing sweeter than leftover candy!!!!!
	🏝 8:14pm Scott67: I still fucken love PiL Mr.F!🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	8:14pm DJ Babs: I DJ'd an 80's night and it was SO much fun! My costume turned out pretty good I think!!!! www.instagram.com...
	8:15pm DJ Babs: Agreed on PIL. That shit holds up so hard. I'm also VERY into this track! Very interesting story behind this project thjat Derek will discuss!
	8:17pm Robm: @DJ Babs ever since I happened to start listening to WFMU and the streams i feel its a continuous music education
	8:17pm DJ Babs: lol doing this show alone has made me that much smarter I learn so much every week!!!!
	8:18pm DJ Babs: That's what makes WFMU" so special!!!!
	8:18pm Krys O.: Brian Brain played at a tiny club called The Jetty in Bloomfield in the mid-80s. The Meat Puppets and Borbetomagus played there too.
	8:19pm Robm: @Babs oh hell yeah all the djs put so much effort into their shows and they never mail it in
	8:20pm DJ Babs: Derek is hustling around hard in the studio tonight for sure lol!
	8:20pm DJ Babs: I would have loved to see Brian Brain!!!!
	8:21pm Alli B: Comin in at Pigface! Suuuup!
	8:22pm Mr Fab: what years did Martin play in PiL? Not sure if he was in the lineups I saw.
	8:22pm DJ Babs: awwww yeahhhhh Hi Alli!!!!!!
	8:22pm Svenna: Bold !
	8:22pm Alli B: Hiiiii!
	8:22pm DJ Babs: He was 79 then 81-85...he came and went! We never asked hiim why he got fired the first tiime lol...
	8:23pm DJ Blush: Hiiieeeeeee
	8:23pm DJ Babs: Hello Hellol Svenna! Welcome welcome!
	8:23pm DJ Babs: Pigface does make me feel oh so young again!
	8:25pm Alli B: Oh yeah Pigface was a huge band of my youth!
	8:26pm DJ Babs: Riding to class at uni with it cranked in my walkman headphones on the TTC....
	8:28pm DJ Babs: WHY DOES CRICKET EXIST?
	🏝 8:28pm Scott67: Ahem!!! AUSTRALIA!!! 🍻😎🤙🏏 A great Cricketing Nation!
	8:28pm Wendy McDonald: Saw Pigface in Chicago at Cabaret Metro was crazy!
	8:29pm Robm: @DJ Babs wondered that myself from time to time
	8:29pm DJ Babs: Oh no! Scott! You're so right!
	8:30pm Robm: @Scott67 thought it was Australian rules football?
	🏝 8:30pm Scott67: Cricket exsists cos Baseball is boring as bat shit! 🦇💩⚾
	8:30pm Robm: @Scott67 bite me:)
	🏝 8:31pm Scott67: T20 World Cricket Cup is currently being played in Australia!
	8:31pm laurapanic: yeh hi, I'm Australian, I love punk rock, no wave and 5 day test cricket.
	8:31pm laurapanic: Australian Rules football is only really popular in certain states, and not in mine.
	🏝 8:32pm Scott67: Fucken oath Laura!!🍻😎🤙💨☕❤️
	8:32pm Robm: @Laura gotcha saw it back on the day on ESPN
	8:32pm laurapanic: Hey Scott, you know its summer when the test cricket is on at 8pm from the WACA
	🏝 8:32pm Scott67: Bite my Kookaburra Balls Robm!🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	8:33pm DJ Babs: hahahah! I WILL agree I'd rather sit thru a cricket match than a baseball game!!!
	8:33pm Robm: @Scott what the fuck ever:)
	8:34pm Robm: I will do you one better i like to watch pro wrestling
	8:35pm DJ Babs: I can't imagine Martin Atkins being a terrible DJ EVER
	🏝 8:35pm Scott67: Joke Robm!🍻😎🤙💨🍺 www.kookaburrasport.com.au...
	8:35pm Mr Fab: Whoooooaah, he's on the live Ministry album?! GODHEAD!!
	8:36pm DJ Babs: Yeah...he really is the shit...it's crazy all he's done. I would LOVE to take his courses in music business management/artistry
	8:36pm Robm: @Scott67 i know i put a smiley at the end of bite me
	8:36pm DJ Babs: I wish I'd had his books when I was a touring musician...lol
	🏝 8:36pm Scott67: AFL Footy is like WWE with a ball Robm! 🏉
	8:38pm DJ Babs: I''m dying to go to his museum!!!
	8:39pm Robm: @Scott67 heard that from other people
	🏝 8:39pm WR: Atkins is a true gem. Amazing.
	8:40pm DJ Babs: Honestly it's true! His energy is infectious it truly is!
	8:41pm DJ Babs: I also love that he has a coffee brand LOL
	8:42pm Alli B: I love that song Steve Albini Fucked Pac-Man by Sockeye
	8:42pm DJ Babs: hahah! I remember that one!!!
	8:44pm Svenna: Amazing interview
	8:44pm shellioh: salut new amies!!!
	8:44pm Tome: Great interview wow !<>!
	8:44pm DJ Babs: Hello Hello0 Shelli!!!!
	8:44pm Derek Westerholm: So sorry I'm not so chatty... Live Queueing & entering & tippy tapping to fill in all the info...
	8:44pm Derek Westerholm: Thanks Tome!!!!
	8:44pm DJ Babs: Hi Tome! Honestly, Martin is just a joy to interview!
	8:45pm Derek Westerholm: ^ What Babs said!
	8:45pm shellioh: so happy to get to tune in!!!
	8:45pm Robm: Great interview
	8:45pm Tome: so clever Martin a pleasure listening and not too shabby on the drums either ...
	🏝 8:45pm Scott67: On a self promotion moment; I've chucked a new Avatar up. It's a drawing 'self Portrait' based on The Fly original movie. It will be in competition to win the TRASH CULT T-Shirt Design Prize, this weekend. If anyone wants to check out some awesome work online, & maybe vote for mine? 🍻😎🤙💨🍺🪰
	8:46pm DJ Babs: He is so fucking amazing as a Drummer...one of the best and often overlooked! And thank you for the info Scott!!! Ya got my vote!!!
	🏝 8:46pm Scott67: & yes! Martin is awesome!!🍻
	8:47pm Derek Westerholm: Museum whiskey! Museum Coffee! Museum haircuts! How can you lose?
	8:48pm DJ Babs: you forgot Museum pancakes!!!
	8:48pm Derek Westerholm: There's so many things in the Museum... It's easy to forget.
	🏝 8:49pm Scott67: Cheers Babs! Online Voting begins this weekend & runs for a week or two mate. 🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	🏝 8:50pm Kat in Chicago: 169!
	8:50pm ultradamno: The Indianapolis International Film Festival is held at IMA, it was always nice to loiter among the pics between films
	🏝 8:50pm WR: Now wanna go to Chicago again to visit this museum. It's been a while since I was last there.
	8:51pm Robm: @Kat you know where that museum is in Chicago?
	🏝 8:51pm Kat in Chicago: I must admit I have never been there!
	🏝 8:52pm Kat in Chicago: I should fix that.
	8:52pm DJ Babs: www.facebook.com...
	8:52pm DJ Babs: we will add all of martin's links in the chat at the end of the show!!!
	8:53pm ultradamno: twitter.com...
	8:54pm DJ Babs: Insta: www.instagram.com...
	8:55pm ?: ❤️❤️❤️
	🏝 8:55pm WR: Thanks Babs, I am on his site and haven't found anything yet about the museum.
	8:57pm Robm: @Kat no problem
	8:57pm DJ Babs: I need this on vinyl for my DJ night!!!
	8:58pm DJ Babs: we are getting our dance on here in the studio lol
	🏝 9:01pm Kristine: 1979 is indeed the best year for music, and am a bit biased as i was born that year:)
	9:02pm DJ Babs: Ha! I was a staunch 81 supporter but Derek is making me rethink that. Ultradamno is also a 79'er!
	9:02pm ultradamno: i was born in 66, which I think is competitive
	9:03pm DJ Blush: Woooo
	9:03pm DJ Babs: wooo indeed! We are heading to those years now this is our 70th show! So you know the 79 special is coming!!!!
	9:04pm Mr Fab: It's quite possible that I have listened to "Metal Box/Second Edition" more than any other album.
	9:05pm ultradamno: I kind of waffle, doing the 5 albums 79 really overwhelmed me with what there was that year....but Slash and Ralph did so much heavy lifting in 81..
	9:07pm ultradamno: I think Wild Gift or Chairs Missing hold that honor for me
	9:07pm DJ Blush: This is delicious
	9:07pm Mr Fab: There's also the question of when albums REALLY came out. Lots of great Brit albums didn't come out n America til a year or two later. "My Life In The Bush of Ghosts" was recorded in '79 but not released til a few years later...
	9:08pm Cp304: If I only could have got off the school bus to hear this instead of watching mtv at 5 yrs old
	9:09pm DJ Babs: Agreed! That's why I always give a year's grace Mr. Fab....living in Canada we got everything just a bit later it seems...with a few exceptions. Fuck also I LOVE this peel session version....
	9:10pm DJ Babs: ITS SO FUCKING GOOD.
	9:21pm DJ Babs: lol did that last set blow all your minds and kill our chat?!
	9:22pm DJ Blush: Hahah
	9:22pm Svenna: Hypnotized
	9:23pm Derek Westerholm: Svenna!!!!! Helllllllooooo!!!!
	9:25pm Mr Fab: it's funny to hear him say that punk was "over" by 1979. It hadn't even gone hardcore yet! But that was more American, I guess.
	9:25pm DJ Babs: I'm enjoying some leftover souvlaki and wine at the moment (the wine is not leftover) It's like a dinner date with you guys and martin atkins!!!
	9:26pm DJ Babs: Agreed Fab! One could argue the postpunk lasted longer than punk. But I guess punk really started in 76 soooooo
	9:26pm DJ Babs: If not earlier, depending on who you talk to.....
	9:27pm Derek Westerholm: Hello Svenna, Blush, Cp304, Fab, Ultra, Kristine, Robm, WR, ?, Kat, Scott, Tome, Shelli, AlliB/K, Laura, Wendy, KrysO, TroyD8, YPB, Dominick, hello hello hello hello... Sorry to be so late to the greetings!!!!!!!!!!
	9:28pm ultradamno: I remember a Creem review of Sham 69's first album that expressed that exact kind of reaction you hear him saying about Punk's Not Dead, like 'you're still doing that?'
	9:28pm DJ Babs: I admit I love the internet...without it we wouldn't be here with you amazing people but I also do miss those days!
	9:29pm DJ Babs: Agreed UD, I could do a whole show..month of shows on 60's punk garage bands....
	🏝 9:30pm Scott67: You had me at Leftover Souvlaki Babs!🌯🍷 I'm scoffing a hotdog with a can of beer mate! 🍺😎🤙🌭
	9:30pm DJ Babs: aww bless "am I allowed to swear?" OH FUCk YES! lol
	9:31pm MHLee: hehehello
	🏝 9:31pm WR: Swearing is required, id'nt it?
	9:31pm DJ Babs: hello hello MH!!!
	9:31pm DJ Babs: hahah yes it is!
	9:32pm DJ Blush: So good!
	9:34pm DJ Babs: I don't actually think there's another musician who has actually consistently been in so many bands that I've loved! Really...it's pretty sick when you think about it!
	9:34pm DJ Babs: Plus drummers just don't get the credit they should!!!!
	🏝 9:35pm Scott67: I'm left handed, but a Lover not a Fighter! Oh South POLE! 🍻😎🤙
	9:36pm DJ Babs: I'm a lefty too Scott!!!
	🏝 9:37pm Kat in Chicago: this CAN remix of Damage Manual is very cool
	9:38pm DJ Babs: Right!?
	🏝 9:40pm Scott67: Lefties make better lovers Babs! I'm a bloody Aquarian too, so it's quirky on roids with me! Personality that is, not lov..... nevermind! 🍻😎🤙💨🍷🌯
	9:43pm DJ Babs: hahaha! You got that right Scott! We do make better lovers!!
	🏝 9:43pm WR: Lefties!
	9:45pm Cp304: It's so good to be here, thanks you, and thanks Mr.Fab for giving me directions
	9:46pm DJ Babs: you can legit hear my excitement during this exchange with Martin! I was too giddy to do the interview with derek, LOL
	9:46pm DJ Babs: We're so glad to have you Cp304
	9:50pm Krys O.: Thanks for such a great show!
	9:51pm TroyD8: Thank you so much for the fantastic interview/show!
	9:51pm Cp304: A great listen tonight!
	9:52pm Mr Fab: What an absolutely awesome guy. I knew he had a crucial history, but the man himself is a great interview.Love his enthusiasm. he's still 100% in the music.
	🏝 9:52pm Scott67: WR, I'm also very Left field & Politics mate! 🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	9:53pm ultradamno: Chris Cutler maybe?
	9:54pm ultradamno: Nice to hear good drummer news, after the Nervosa news and DH Peligro passing
	🏝 9:55pm Scott67: I've Clicky Starred⭐ this Ep. Not just cos I love it, but it's a fucken Social History Document!! You both should be very proud! 🍻😎🤙💨🍺🍷❤️❤️
	9:56pm DJ Babs: aww thank you Scott! Derek put a lot of love in this interview to be sure!!!! So glad it's safe forever in the WFMU archives!!!!
	9:56pm DJ Babs: Agreed UD that was so sad to hear about DH Peligro.
	🏝 9:57pm Kat in Chicago: Well done, you two! Thank you!
	9:58pm DJ Babs: Thank you thank you! We should have done a 3 hour show there's so much amazing music we didn't play!!!
	9:59pm DJ Babs: We'll run a little late tonight ;-)
	9:59pm Alli B: Thank you!
	9:59pm DJ Babs: Thank you Alli!!!!
	10:00pm Mr Fab: you run as long as you want you crazy kids
	10:00pm DJ Blush: So friggen awesome, Amazing show you guys!
	🏝 10:02pm Scott67: Run all night guys!!❤️❤️🍁
	🏝 10:03pm Scott67: Even if ya don't like Cricket... oh no.....!❤️🏏
	🏝 10:03pm Scott67: FUCK YESSSS!!!!
	10:04pm DJ Babs: Thanks buddies! Big Beach Hugs all around to the best chat crew ever!!!! ❤️
	🏝 10:04pm WR: I bought the catalogue. Just started shipping this week. Wooot! Thank you! Great episode!
	10:04pm DJ Babs: amazing thank you WR!!!
	10:04pm Krys O.: If I recall correctly, this video was shown on both Headbangers Ball and 120 Minutes. LOVED it sooooo much!
	10:04pm Derek Westerholm: WR, I'll be right behind you on that purchase...
	10:04pm ultradamno: The lack of b-sides on this comp is frustrating....
	🏝 10:05pm Scott67: Happy sandy cracks to all my mates! 🩲👙🩴🩴
	10:05pm DJ Babs: Ha! UD perhaps another release in future!
	10:05pm DJ Babs: lol @ Sandy Cracks! We're gonna have to put that in the Echo Beach lexicon!
	10:05pm Derek Westerholm: As a special bonus, since we said we were running over, let's play the J.G. Thirwell remix of "Wish" by Nine Inch Nails, shall we? It's very Martin Atkins centric.
	🏝 10:06pm Scott67: Gritty stuff Babs!❤️
	10:06pm Derek Westerholm: And then, the Ministry live "Stigmata"
	🏝 10:07pm Scott67: Go for it Derek!!!
	10:07pm DJ Babs: hahah we just can't stop!!!
	10:07pm Derek Westerholm: Enjoy some extra (off-archive) content, dear friends!!!
	10:07pm ultradamno: Since you brought him up, as I mentioned in the KS talkback, Thirlwell was recently interviewed on the Noisextra podcast www.noisextra.com...
	10:07pm DJ Babs: I'm game! I got a big bottle of wine and birthday cake! We celebrated Derek's mum's 90th today!
	🏝 10:07pm Scott67: I got nowhere to go but TRASH CULT in 4 hours!
	🏝 10:09pm Scott67: JOYFUCKENFUL!!
	10:09pm ultradamno: Also, since tomorrow is BC Friday, No Part Of It is having a 15% off sale with code votewithmurder and will apparently be putting up a Illusion of Safety/Z'ev collab nopartofit.bandcamp.com...
	🏝 10:09pm Scott67: He's an Aussie too!
	10:10pm ultradamno: Actually that pre-order is up now nopartofit.bandcamp.com...
	10:10pm DJ Babs: sweeet! Tomorrow is hungoveratwork Friday for me but I DO NOT CARE!
	10:10pm Derek Westerholm: Scott, I just learnt that today!!!!!!
	10:12pm DJ Babs: I will say that seeing NIN for the first time at the very first lollapolooza was a landmark moment for me. It was BANANS
	🏝 10:12pm Scott67: Derek, I love me a bit of Foetus! as long as it ain't growin!
	10:12pm Mr Fab: Haha, I heard that! I loved Ministry's studio stuff, but "In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up" really is just incredible - the ultimate speed-rush.
	10:12pm Derek Westerholm: Ultra, great tips for BC Friday!!!!!!!!!
	10:13pm ultradamno: Did you know NNN is just Rick Astley inverted? twitter.com...
	10:13pm Derek Westerholm: Mr. Fab, it really is! Have you seen the video Martin talked about? I've never seen any video from that tour...
	10:13pm Derek Westerholm: Ultra, haha, now I do!!!!!
	10:14pm Mr Fab: Have not seen that video. My eyes are getting fried just thinking about it. Steroid Maximus is great, too. Did Mr Foetus ever actually release anything in Australia-only before moving overseas?
	10:15pm DJ Babs: lol so much for easing gently into the night.......
	10:16pm DJ Babs: I learned all about Foetus from my weed dealer. He was OBSESSED.
	10:16pm ultradamno: Seems like he was in London a lot early, he talks about hooking up with Whitehouse because he met Bennett from going to Essential Logic shows
	10:17pm DJ Babs: Ultradamno YES when I saw that...mind blown LOL
	🏝 10:19pm Scott67: I heard Scraping Foetus Of The Wheel first when I was 16. On late night local Radio Show called Possible Musics; with Jaques Soddell (now a friend).
	🏝 10:20pm Scott67: Keep goin Derek!!!🍻😎🤙💨🍺
	🏝 10:20pm Scott67: Off*
	10:20pm DJ Babs: hahaha!
	10:21pm ultradamno: PragVEC was his pre-Foetus band and they were UK
	10:21pm Mr Fab: what can you POSSIBLY follow this with?! This I can't wait to hear!
	10:21pm DJ Babs: Meep Moop is singing along to this one!
	10:22pm Derek Westerholm: Mr Fab... Just you wait, hahaha
	10:29pm Derek Westerholm: Wait for it...
	10:31pm Mr Fab: Well done, this is PERFECT.
	🏝 10:32pm Scott67: Everything is Fucked!✌️😎🍻❤️
	10:32pm Derek Westerholm: Pigface The Horse You Rode In Easy Listening...
	10:32pm Derek Westerholm: Thanks Fab / Scott!!!!
	10:32pm Derek Westerholm: Thanks for sticking with us to the end!!!!!!
	10:32pm DJ Babs: woohooo!!!!
	10:33pm DJ Babs: Goodnight everyone!!!!!!!!!!
	10:33pm ultradamno: But can he be fooled?
	🏝 10:34pm WR: Thankkk Yoouuuuu!
	10:34pm ultradamno: (now I have an idea in my head of that show being a string of aspiring magicians being told FUCK MAGIC by him)

Transmissions from Echo Beach with Derek Westerholm and DJ Babs: Playlist from November 3, 2022

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