WFMU: This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from January 13, 2022

Listener comments!
	9:01am Handy Haversack: Morning, Trouble and all the Troubled.
	9:01am winston legthigh: hi trouble and the troubled ones.
	9:02am Dances with Moomins: Hi Trouble! Hi troubled folks the world over.
	9:02am MD: Good Morning Freeform Nation! Nation Of the Station...here's to Ronnie!
	9:02am Mike W: no one starts their shows better than
	9:03am Trouble: goooood thursday morning modern people!
	9:03am getinthagroove: Loving this
	9:03am Pale Son: Good morning! Love the Camus quote, been lately finding him such a sensible antidote to these times.
	9:03am rx scabin: Good morning, trouble.
	9:04am listener james from westwood: Morning, Trouble and all modernists!
	9:05am Barbara in PA: Morning, Trouble, Handy and all!
	9:06am Handy Haversack: Hi, Barbara!
	9:08am rx scabin: @Pale Son Antidote implies poison. An accurate analogy/metaphor by you.
	9:09am Cal Zone!: Loving this groove
	9:09am steveo: GReetings Trouble & ev'ryone
	9:10am Passaic River Blues: God, this is good.
	9:10am ledzeppelinsucks: Stephen Foster Memorial Day on January 13th commemorates the music of the man who composed hundreds of America’s first popular songs. Born in Lawrenceville, Pennsylvania, on July 4, 1826, Stephen Foster became known as America’s First Composer. His catchy tunes based on minstrel songs are still known today. Despite Foster’s exclusive music contract with Firth, Pond, and Company, he was penniless when he died at the age of 37. While his songs were wildly popular, the lack of copyright protection and alcoholism left him with nothing of value to show for his work.
	9:11am TDK60: Good morning DJ Trouble. Air quality index for Jersey City metro today is "poor" = 94. I'd wear a mask outdoors.
	9:11am Irene: Good morning Trouble and all Modern Worldly people! Thanks for the Mtume! (RIP)
	9:12am meredith: Good morning all from Chapel Hill, NC. It has been a while since I have checked out the boards on with DJ Trouble. Hope everyone is hanging in there.
	9:12am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: hi trouble. and listeners. happy new year – guess i am late…
	9:13am River: Enjoying this. G’morning all!
	9:17am YETI BOB: glad 2 b here!
	9:19am Rev. Turnip Druid: this thing is a good thing
	9:19am Adrian in London: Hi Trouble. Enjoying this Elori track very much
	9:19am listener james from westwood: @TDK60: AQI is also kinda high over in northeast Bergen County, as it happens. We've got no wind, plus we're in a valley, so it's a double whammy.
	9:24am TDK60: Listener James: I can see southeast Bergen Co. out my window from Manhattan. I can see the pollution haze.
	9:25am Cal in Dothan: Enjoying some modernity down here in sunny Alabama
	9:25am Robm: Morning trouble and fellow troublemakers
	9:27am rx scabin: I should be "getting ready." I think I will just sit a while and get ready that way.
	9:33am StringOFperils: R.I.P. :(
	9:37am Webhamster Henry: Good Modern morning!
	9:41am Emily: Dyin’ here, trouble. Yet killin me
	9:42am Hydroplane: Saw Bridget at MONTY HALL a few years ago, opening for michael chapman (RIP). great show...
	9:43am syl76: Happy New Year all
	9:44am Boris: Love me some Hiroshi.
	9:44am MD: Without Ronnie we would not have had Joey...Not the way he was...RIP Ronnie! Rest in Power!!!
	9:45am Anne: Good morning from Indiana, Trouble! Thank you for your show. It's a wonderful background to our homeschool each Thursday morning.
	9:48am Trouble: good morning anne in indiana! thanks for the kind words: teach on!!
	9:50am steveo: love this, oh james joyce very nice
	9:51am syl76: really chill playlist.. just what i needed today
	9:51am Emily: How did you know:re Josephine Foster? Are you in my mind?
	9:52am Robm: @MD joey and ronni were not related
	9:56am riley: Very good morning all!
	9:59am Pale Son: Yesss!
	10:09am iiibeat: Love is infinite! No beginning and no end. It may beguile, confuse or deceive. Love knows no boundaries. All illusion and suffering happens in the Light.
	10:15am Adrian in London: Has anyone read the Rickie Lee Jones memoir, Last Chance Texaco? I finished it last night, and recommend it. She had quite an early life, and the book concentrates on that, flipping past the usual “and then I recorded X album” etc.
	10:16am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Adrian in London: I thought it was terrific and it made me take a deep dive back into her catalog. One of the best books I read last year.
	10:17am Trouble: my local bookstore says that ricki lee book is super duper, haven' tread it.
	10:17am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Also, the John Lurie memoir is worth a look.
	10:21am Trouble: got the john lurie book from santa, but santa is reading it now...meanwhile i am reading a fabulous book vaguely about sea turtles and the london zoo: www.nyrb.com...
	10:22am StringOFperils: Binge watched Painting with John last week. He's an interesting person.
	10:23am Passaic River Blues: @Trouble: I read that Hoban a few years ago! I enjoyed it, as well as his Frances kids books back in the day.
	10:23am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Trouble: That reminds me, I want to check out Susan Orlean's On Animals. Have heard good things about it (and I _loved_ her Library Book).
	10:25am Trouble: sounds good @ woods...
	10:25am Robm: Feels like i just dropped into a middle of a book club:) Gives me some reading idea’s
	10:28am StringOFperils: Russell Hoban's The Mouse and his Child is one of the most imaginative 'childrens' novels I've ever read. In the best books ever pile.
	10:28am nathan: @Trouble, how is that book? I've been reading Russell Hoban's "Riddley Walker", but it's a tough!
	10:29am Zipperhead7: Ronnie Spector . . . I remember hearing "Be My Baby" on the car radio as a six-year-old, sitting in the front between my cousins with their bouffant hair and cat's-eye sunglasses, watching them crack their gum and smoke cigarettes and talk about their worthless boyfriends as they discussed the Perfect Boy. I remember thinking the Ronettes were such hot, sultry goddesses that if I, a mere mortal, would touch them I would burst into flame.
	10:29am Pale Son: Todd-o-phonic Todd played this this morning too! But sure, I'll favourite it again. :)
	10:29am Jason from Houston: ꒰ ॢ ꈍ ◡ ꈍ ॢ ꒱
	10:30am MD: It just get ya! Right… always…
	10:30am oshiwoshi: that vibrato
	10:30am StringOFperils: Ronnie always seemed like she might have a switch-blade stashed in that bouffant.
	10:31am Trouble: @nathan: it's a breeze! fabulous and wry
	10:32am nathan: nice. going on my list
	10:33am Handy Haversack: We read a couple of excellent NYRB books recently. www.nyrb.com... : From the 1930s, set in the French Revolution of 1848, story of an English gentlewoman whose children die and then she falls in love with her husband's lover. Somehow, none of that is a spoiler! www.nyrb.com... : amazing surrealist story of the end of the world and the cult of devil-worshiping women who will save us. Also, there's a cat.
	10:33am Robm: @stringofpearls being married to phil could do that to anyone
	10:33am Robm: I meant perils my bad
	10:34am StringOFperils: @nathan > Re. Riddley Walker >> www.google.com...
	10:34am waters7: Handy: I've read a lot of Sylvia Townsend Warner. She is a crazy read.
	10:35am MD: As some of might guess.. I’m a huge Ramones fan…. THEY ARE MY BEATLES… but I always got same feelings ( goose bumps) hearing the Ronettes.,.
	10:36am Handy Haversack: waters7: Keeping an eye out for Lolly Willowes now. The end of Summer Will Show was absolutely amazing.
	10:36am StringOFperils: It's okay, @Robm, I carry nothing more dangerous than a bad attitude. Everyone misreads my avatar
	10:36am Roberto: As if in tribute to Ronnie, my connection just dropped for a few minutes and I couldn't hear music.
	10:36am Trouble: @pale son: i was watching todd's playlist so i wouldn't double up and i must have missed it. was it at the end?
	10:37am Trouble: @zipperhead: that sounds about right! we are mere mortals...
	10:39am MD: @Trouble… yeah he closed his show that song… BUT I COULD LISTEN TO THAT SONG ALL DAY!
	10:40am Trouble: looooove lolly willowes!!!
	10:41am Glistener MW: Vanessa! 💚
	10:41am Glistener MW: Only Amiga Makes It Possible [tm]
	10:43am Phillippe: Howdy
	10:45am Passaic River Blues: @Handy: The NYRB Classics line is nearly always gold. That Carrington (a Trouble favorite, if I rightly recall) sounds really, really good. I'm really Vanessa Veselka's "The Great Offshore Grounds" (~2/3rds through) and am loving it. www.penguinrandomhouse.com...
	10:45am Passaic River Blues: *I'm reading
	10:46am nathan: "don't be afraid to be boring" is my new daily affirmation
	10:47am nathan: i used to be in that NYRB monthly book club. it's pretty great, but i couldn't keep up after a while. they always have amazing selections
	10:48am YETI BOB: +1 on NYRB Books. The last 2 books I read were from there - "When We Cease to Understand the World" by Benjamin Labatut, and the diaries of the Goncourt brothers.
	10:49am Pale Son: @Trouble: It was at the end, yeah, he bookended the show with Ronettes. Happy to hear it a second time, though!
	10:49am Handy Haversack: Thanks for the tip, PRB!
	10:50am MD: @Robm...Joey and Ronnie Shared Musical DNA...that was the Heart of my statement...
	10:50am YETI BOB: Which reminds me - we still have the Modern World Reading List (which anyone can add to) - docs.google.com... or follow the link on my listener profile
	10:51am nathan: awesome @yeti. love the C column Ballard pick, haha. i have a massive collection of all his short fiction, it's pretty great
	10:53am Pale Son: @YB: I love that Infinite Jest and Ulysses are at the top of the list. I'll get to the rest of the books once I've finished those two! :D
	10:54am Passaic River Blues: @Nathan & Yeti Bob: same here! They pile up, you let the subscription lapse, and then have a nice little reservoir of excellent reads lined up. Were it not for NYRB, I probably wouldn't have discovered Magda Szabo or plowed through Stefan Zweig or been floored by Simone Schwarz-Bart's "The Bridge of Beyond." And the Patrick Leigh Fermor memoir trilogy? Holy shit.
	10:54am Handy Haversack: NYRB also publishes Hav, which is fantastic.
	10:57am Passaic River Blues: @Handy: [Googs; absorbs; adds to cart]
	11:00am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Infinite Jest. Ugh. Here's the exact 'sentence' that made me bail: Thereafter proceeding first to the Upper Brighton and now to the cooperative Back Bay-edge brownstone she had lived in once with Orin and performed in with his father and then passed on to the Molly Notkin, today's party's guest of honor and hostess in one, as of yesterday enjoying A.B.D. pre-doctoral status in Film & Film-Cartridge theory at M.I.T., having cleared the notorious hurdle of Oral Examinations on that day by offering her examination committee a dramatically rendered and if she did say so herself devastating oral critique of post-millennial Marxists Film-Cartridge Theory from the point of view of Marx himself, Marx as pretend-film-cartridge theorist and scholar.
	11:01am rx scabin: One of favorites. I got this album in tenth grade. Immediate musical ostracization.
	11:01am Handy Haversack: I have read IJ six or seven times. An all-time great in my, uh, book.
	11:01am YETI BOB: ok, woods, you don't like it. there are plenty of books on that list i don't like either. diff'rent strokes.
	11:02am Pale Son: IJ would be unbearable if it weren't so hilarious.
	11:03am drr: I was a big fan of David Foster Wallace until Infinite Jest.
	11:03am βrian: That paragraph needs more clauses.
	11:03am waters7: handy: I read them all awhile ago. I think that I had read an article about STW being the most underrated writer. This was before she was republished by NYBR. I found a treasure trove of her books at used bookstore and read them all. I've reread Lolly Willowes (kind of recently) but did love Summer Will Show.
	11:04am otto: mmmmmmmmmm!
	11:04am Qibote: Fits my mood
	11:05am YETI BOB: i think it's interesting that the character of the book-list changes over time. The first few are big fat tomes, things to help pass the time during the initial lockdown. Then things took a turn to the dystopian. And finally we seem to have gotten a little tired of the dystopianism and more "general interest" books started taking over.
	11:05am Zipperhead7: Miles' 73-75 group was so far ahead of its time the world will never catch up.
	11:05am StringOFperils: A little anachronism of a store here in Toronto, completely surrounded by towering glass condo monsters and gaping pits, like the house in 'UP', has enabled me to find quite a bit of NYRB books imprint very cheaply. Manna from NYNY...but it's probably fading fast.
	11:07am rx scabin: @Zipperhead7 They pissed off the right people.
	11:09am Handy Haversack: Read Ulysses twice. Bit of a slacker there. Goblin! Stop typing!
	11:10am Therese: Becky and I did the same thing yesterday. Everybody loves I Can Hear Music.
	11:10am YETI BOB: I should revisit Ulysses, I was too young when I read it and I think most if it went over my head. Plus its the 100th anniversary!
	11:11am Listener David in Budd Lake: Rush is from Toronto
	11:11am Handy Haversack: SUBDIVISIONS
	11:12am βrian: There's a development proposed for our 'hood. Naturally, it exceeds all existing zoning limits.
	11:12am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: Yeah, it just didn't resonate. But it's not that I can't see how much talent he had. Being able to keep several plot lines moving, etc. etc. I really like his essays.
	11:12am Pale Son: Cui bono?
	11:12am Andrea: Development destabilizing toolkit?
	11:13am karlward: You might peruse the Beautiful Trouble site: www.beautifultrouble.org
	11:13am βrian: Wait. Is this in-fill or land-fill?
	11:14am karlward: "Creative tools for a more just world…"
	11:14am queen mcsteve: There's a book called "Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds" by Adrienne Maree Brown that might be helpful...
	11:14am StringOFperils: It's pocket-fill.
	11:14am karlward: Beautiful Trouble was a popular resource for us troublemakers in art school
	11:15am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	11:15am Zipperhead7: After the show -- I heard this song about real estate nearly 40 years ago and FINALLY tracked it down: www.youtube.com...
	11:16am Vivian: @ Trouble, when Walmart proposed to move into an old mall near my house, they acted like it was such a win-win. Bringing jobs, building one family townhouses on site, etc. I was against it, but was in the minority. Noticed everything they proposed included 'we may..' nothing definite. That Walmart sucks resources like police (they call police on everything, included bad checks). No townhomes were built. Jobs? not as many as they originally quoted. Lots of light pollution. Glad I moved.
	11:17am Andrea: I'm not sure if this is helpful: designwithintent.co.uk
	11:17am Handy Haversack: Gonna have to listen to the rest from the car. Thanks, Trouble! Lovely show. Rest in power, Ronnie. Later on, all.
	11:18am karlward: I remember there was an art project to deanonymize slumlords by unwinding the owners and members of the various shell companies used, for example. Can't find the link to that project easily at the moment.
	11:18am drr: Not every book has to have the same structure, or a recognizable structure, but the problem I had with IJ is that it never delivers on any of its promises, there's no resolution to anything. He's introducing new characters with fifty pages to go in the book. The longer I read it (and I finished) the more hostile it felt.
	11:18am Peter in SEA: Bonjour @Trouble and Thursday people. Late to the party but this Anna Mazzotti is very coooool. Will catch up in archives.
	11:18am waters7: The scene in "Mean Streets" with "Be My Baby" was an eye opener for me. I knew that this was considered a high brow movie but Scorsese used this song. I was used to foreign/art house "films". Never was I as touched by music in a film like this. it was artful and immediate. Hard to explain if you didn't grow up in the 60's and 70's. It was so powerful.
	11:19am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: Put very simply, most of those angry people act in enormously bad faith. Most of them are either racist NIMBYs or rich a-holes who don't want their multi-million dollar home values to decrease by either losing sightlines or keeping the price of their property artificially inflated by making sure to block absolutely any new housing. We absolutely should be pushing for more dense, walkable neighborhoods, especially in very dense places like Jersey City. These kinds of NIMBYs have been blocking all sorts of amazing progress in NYC and the surrounding areas. NYC gained like the population of Pittsburgh in the last census and has barely built new housing. That's quite a demand crunch from a huge lack of supply. Generally speaking, more housing is good, even luxury apartments. Density is good. Sprawl is extremely space and energy inefficient. Extremely costly. You want transit-oriented infrastructure in a walkable area that also has multiple uses. Build up where infrastrucure already exists. And no, that doesn't mean turning every North Jersey, LI, Hudson Valley, and Connecticut town into massive metropolises. Also, especially in dense, walkable urban areas, we cede FAR too much space to cars. We heavily or completely subsidize housing for cars instead of people.
	11:19am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Affordable housing is an issue up here as well. Tourism is _the_ industry and they're having a hard time finding workers because there's nowhere to live. Beyond trying to limit the use of AirB&B, there have been very few other proposals. Some companies have take matters into their own hands. Jackson Labs is building a small housing campus to attract new candicates.
	11:19am Pale Son: @drr: The ending is meant to lead back to the beginning again.
	11:20am YETI BOB: @drr: i dont' want to get into a big discussion about IJ but there are some hints in the book that something major, and catastrophic, happens just "outside the frame". it's super-post-modern but i think it delivers exactly what the author intended.
	11:21am βrian: Catalog record for the book above: www.worldcat.org...
	11:21am morphe': The 6 "low/working class units" will go to friends or cousins of a local politician.. Back in the' 80 there was a building for elders being constructed... Applications were going to made available on xx/xx/xxxx. Al D'Amatto's mother sent hers in before the applications were made available to the public... OOOOpppps ... cannot find the article so do not quote me ... NYTimes article I cannot access= not sure of the focus: https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/08/nyregion/d-amato-his-village-and-favoritism-in-housing.html
	11:21am YETI BOB: βrian: Nice. I also added it to the reading list document
	11:22am coolioiglesias: when they cut the ribbon at the barclays center in downtown brooklyn, the developers said they'd multiply the affordable housing they destroyed in order to build it over the next 10 years. here we are over 10 years later, it's just a bunch of ugly lux condos, no indication that they even remotely delivered on that promise, and who's gonna hold them accountable?
	11:22am Andrea: Here is a cool project about urban development and people: welcometocup.org and they have a page of resources: welcometocup.org...
	11:22am oshiwoshi: affordable housing linked to minimum income threshold set by the developers
	11:22am Tadmanthemadman: i didn't hear all, but I'd look for a civil impact analysis to prove their is enough road, parking, water and power without taking away from the existing community... Make them prove all the building and civil codes are being met... back to work..
	11:22am βrian: No Van Life for Handy!
	11:23am Zipperhead7: Another real estate song. "He's chopping uo the neighborhood. He calls himself The Chopper and he's chopping while the chopping is good." www.youtube.com...
	11:23am Cincy Ryan: I agree with Rosey's comments above. Density is good, although the devil's in the details. Good article in the atlantic last year. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/theres-no-such-thing-luxury-housing/618548/
	11:23am Peter in SEA: @waters7 never read any STW, where should I start? :-)
	11:23am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: You make a valid point. I read a book on suburban design years back and they were talking about how the Main St. of old, with combined use of shops and residential, is mostly not legal anymore. It's kind of crazy.
	11:24am Partyfinger: Get Em Out By Friday
	11:24am Tan Tulip: Here's one idea, which would require a change in city rules: that the city won't even consider building projects that do not meet basic parameters. This might prevent developers from submitting projects that are clearly larger than acceptable and then compromising down to something that is still a negative for the community
	11:24am karlward: I love Infinite Jest. I love how you can open it to literally any page and start reading and find that the prose on that page is brilliant.
	11:25am StringOFperils: Seeing a considerable amount of $$$ parked in expensive new-condo development here, by people who live in places like Hong Kong and Dubai, ghost units that sit, empty, trebling their market value in the short term, while many of those who formerly inhabited that neighbourhood live in tent cities and under bridges. Developers get carte-blanche, resulting in civic planning being effectively privatized. Low income families are...well, you know..
	11:26am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: But @coolioiglesias, to one of the points I was making, there are still NIMBYs constantly pushing back on housing projects today, including some really important ones in the general vicinity of Barclays. I know the Brooklyn Botanical Garden recently showed its arse by gloating about blocking a bunch of housing right near a subway station. I think a lot of units were even going to be affordable, but I don't remember the details. Also, to give you an idea of the type of people we're dealing with, a group of NIMBYs have been trying to block construction of an elevator for the 68th Street-Hunter College IRT subway station for years.
	11:27am karlward: Kenneth Jackson's Crabgrass Frontier (about suburbanization of the US) is a great study of how large scale housing changes have happened in the past.
	11:28am YETI BOB: @Rosey: Excellent points. Are there effective strategies for fighting NIMBYism? (Also, hi, hope you are well!)
	11:28am Passaic River Blues: @Rosey: that is the crux of the issue--how to disentangle NIMBYism, which reinforces the housing crisis and pushes development toward profit-maximizing "luxury" projects, from poorly thought-out and shoddily constructed projects in areas that do not yet have the infrastructure to support high density development. I have no answers, but the problem really is two-sided. @WoodsofNH: was that book James Kunstler's "Geography of Nowhere"?
	11:29am GiB: Birmingham native here. It amazes me how much we never learned about Angela Davis while learning about Civil Rights in school, and we were a very progressive school district.
	11:29am coolioiglesias: @Rosey you're right, there's definitely more nuance to this topic than my barclays observation - i just remember covering that press conference for work and thinking "yeah right."
	11:29am Cal Zone!: Love AD! What a brilliant human!
	11:30am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Passaic River Blues: No. I think it's either Suburban Nation or Picture Windows. (I just glanced up at the shelf). Shoot, now I've got to read Geography of Nowwhere.
	11:30am rx scabin: Helado Negro! Thank you Trouble. Perfect.
	11:30am morphe': Battery Park city = Pre-Barclay Sham BPC was supposed to have xx% amount of affordable units but when it became clear of the open market possibilities... It all went free market for other units to be built at a later date on other sites and re-hab of existing "controlled/stabilized units" = NEVER HAPPENED !!!! https://www.propublica.org/article/bad-grandpa-the-ugly-forefather-of-new-yorks-affordable-housing-debacles
	11:31am Tan Tulip: I think too much is left to private developers. How about more government financed development that helps those in need more. Sorry, Reagan, government is not the enemy
	11:32am Trouble: cool angela davis show a the zimmerli museum in new brunswick nj zimmerli.rutgers.edu...
	11:32am YETI BOB: more socialism please
	11:32am morphe': Jane Jacob's "Life and Death of American Cities" is an essential and highly readable book = TOME I would say !!!!
	11:32am karlward: IIRC Jane Jacobs wrote about how Toronto had been effective in preserving its walkability and housing. Death and Life of Great American Cities is a phenomenal book.
	11:33am morphe': Karlward - were were in synch there ..
	11:36am YETI BOB: added to list
	11:36am Lucky: Developers also add to JC politician's "campaign funds"...
	11:36am Tan Tulip: I grew up in a suburb that built a mall, which added a lot to the tax base
	11:37am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: @WoodsOfNH (now Maine), yeah, and a lot of those towns and Main streets were decent examples of how you don't need a metropolis. You can go a long way with a main strip that has actual life to it and hasn't just been completely decimated, and having mixed uses there, including housing, and having housing that's also not too far away. And where you'd be able to walk, bike, or take transit to places, and again, these places wouldn't need to be far away. Big bonus when the entire town is built around a train station. What you'd want to do with places like that is try to build some apartments that are like two or three stories tall. You can get a lot more density just out of doing that in place of some old and drafty houses that should be knocked down, and it makes it so that living in that place doesn't require having to own an entire home. And ideally having a car wouldn't be a requirement either. If there is a train station too, building a bunch of housing around that, along with other mixed uses of course, would be a great thing to do. Relatedly, would it KILL transit agencies like NJTransit, the MTA commuter railroads, PATCO, etc. to stop putting their suburban stations in parking craters and instead surround it with development? And these transit agencies would be able to make so much more money off of that land. But yeah, some poor political decisions and then insanely dumb things like spending billions of dollars on highway bypasses that save motorists all of three minutes and ensure those bypassed towns, that also used to have rail service until parallel government-funded highways made it impossible for private railroads to compete, don't get any more tourists.
	11:37am Zipperhead7: One of the best docs I've seen on public housing is "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth." www.youtube.com...
	11:38am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: I'm sorry, but that's straight-up not accurate. Building more housing generally makes places MORE affordable. An artificial limit on the housing supply drives up values!
	11:38am not a developer: Love the show. But increased density does not "drive up rents" - quite the opposite.
	11:39am morphe': Rosey - many UK studies have shown that "road widening" only leads to more/thicker/wider traffic .. LA must prove the same??? .. The "NEW" BQE will surely be the same???
	11:40am YETI BOB: "Induced Travel Demand" - more lanes = more traffic, it never helps!
	11:41am Tan Tulip: quel horreur!: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/13/fda-deregulates-french-dressing/
	11:41am YETI BOB: en.wikipedia.org... - people (e.g. Robert Moses) making the same mistake for DECADES
	11:42am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: @coolioiglesias, yeah, a lot of nuance, and one of the problems is that there are plenty of valid points, but people who act in bad faith will shoehorn these points into their attacks. They'll just use those points as cudgels with which to attack any and all new development. It's such a bad case of reactionary NIMBYism. Shame on these despicable people. My housing knowledge is limited, but I've learned some things about it because I know a lot about transit and see how the two are related, transit and land use/housing. I personally try placing most of my focus on fighting these destructive NIMBYs.
	11:43am βrian: We have pretty heavy traffic on our bike paths. Pedestrians and bikers make for a messy mix.
	11:44am Tan Tulip: Wages, wages, wages
	11:45am morphe': For after Trouble... A Great nearly unknown Scot - Matt McGinn wrote a great song about moving people from intimate neighborhoods to far flung projects (fyi a "Jeely" is a jelly sandwich ... Mom's would pass them out the window to their children playing in the street ... the song goes "..ya cannot eat a jelly from the 22nd floor..." ( Scot - Matt McGinn was a normal Socialist but was branded a Commie and banned by the BBC and BBC Scot - a lost Nat'i Treasure)
	11:45am Qibote: Saw him play once with Kumar Bose on tablas. Was impressive.
	11:45am βrian: The new trend in Madison is to let people build "accessory" housing units on their residential property.
	11:45am ?: Cities that grow survive and thrive. The only way we are going to combat climate change is to build walkable urbanism where we can reduce our GHG emissions by NOT driving. While we attend endless community meetings where "poor me" people yammer on about gentrification, change, NIMBYism, etc., China and Nigeria and India are building.
	11:45am Tan Tulip: Thanks for this, Trouble--amazing
	11:45am YETI BOB: βrian: It makes sense to separate bikes from pedestrians b/c they go at different speeds. I'm talking about highways.
	11:47am Sean: Teaching critical thinking is tough. I think it needs to be part of the curriculum very early in school and I do remember very early on that my Iowa public schools at least played lip service to the idea. It wasn't until later when I got into the topic as an adult wannabe science nerd that I realized that it was largely just lip service. However looking at the state of things I think I was better served than most Americans because just putting the word "critical" next to the word "race" seems to be enough to cause a civil disturbance.
	11:47am morphe': Forgot the link for later: "Ya Cannot Eat a Jelly from the 22nd Floor" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7SAPmcwXA
	11:48am βrian: @YB: For sure. Just mentioning because it seems like a new (to me) development.
	11:48am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: And yes to everyone talking about highway widenings. Good on all of you for taking what I said and bringing it to the next point. Yeah, highway widenings do not work, they cost a ton of money, and they just lead to more pollution with the same travel times. This started happening very quickly on the new Kosciusko Bridge, even though Cuomo of course said traffic would be solved. And the highways take up SO much land, and yes, the neighborhoods they destroy continue to be predominantly minority neighborhoods. They're proposing some seriously stupid crap in Austin and Houston, the latter of which already has a highway with like 25 lanes. When will it be enough? When will we realize that "one more lane" isn't the solution? When will we realize it's not worth the childhood asthma rates and climate catastrophe, among so many other negative externalities? When will we stop pressuring and even forcing people into the huge financial burden of having a car while making sure so many of the country's mass transit users/walkers/bikers, etc remain almost completely invisible? And yes, we're proposing absolutely insane projects in NYC and throughout New York state and New Jersey. Meanwhile, so much unused rail infrastructure just sits there... Get loud and say something to your elected officials!
	11:50am Trouble: We need drastic measures in JC since nearly the entire city council is on the side of the mayor: pro development in all wards
	11:50am waters7: We started a neighborhood group called: StableBrooklyn because developers discovered our neighborhood. We were able to contain some of it. We brought in an urban planner from Hunter--with his grad students --to come up with a plan on why the growth should be contextual and what made our neighborhood worth saving. I could send you a link. This was before DeBlasio was mayor. He came and walked around with us. We all became involved with our community board.
	11:50am morphe': In rural Ireland - regular old houses were small (2fls =only/usually 2 bedrooms) and so one can get get planning permission to build to the side or back, but never higher than the original structure ... seems like an ok compromise...
	11:52am StringOFperils: Toronto has changed a great deal since Jane Jacobs wrote The Death and Life of Great American Cities. The comparably tiny population density here in TO might make it easier to crow about how 'walkable' it is presently, but that is changing, and refugees of radical climate-change will drive that much more rapidly in the coming years...a lot of it's already happening, but on the surface it appears to be products of global political strife. It's gonna get a lot more New York-y here; it already is. For now, for me, if it is indeed more 'walkable', it won't be because it's a paragon of good planning, but because I can be confident that no one is carrying a gun. (so far) I can think of areas where Toronto's recent civic planning re. housing will prove to be a total debacle in twenty or thirty years.
	11:53am HP: Sorry if you addressed this earlier, just tuned in. There is a very important meeting regarding plans to change the ward boundaries in Jersey City tomorrow evening. One of the big changes involves changing the ward that Liberty State Park is in. https://mobile.twitter.com/chris_l_gadsden/status/1481610431475105795
	11:54am Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks for the show this morning, Trouble.
	11:55am HP: Different subject I know, but related.
	11:55am Andrea: thank you Trouble! Great show.
	11:55am morphe': Thanks Trouble and all !!!! FMU On-Line University fulfilling its EDU => Tax Free moniker...
	11:56am Dances with Moomins: Lovely show the perfect background for the day. We also have pedestrian/bike challenges in Turku, Finland but mostly things work very well Cheers!
	11:56am βrian: David D is on standby on The Drummer Stream, if that's your wont. wfmu.org...
	11:56am listener 126464: Thanks Trouble.
	11:56am Trouble: HP: that link isn't working. have another?
	11:56am morphe': HP - DIRECTLY RELATED TO TODAY"S POSTS !!!! TOO FAR AWAY TO GO BUT GOOD LUCK !!!!
	11:56am Trouble: thanks for sitting in today!
	11:56am rx scabin: Great show. Thank you.
	11:58am Rev. Turnip Druid: hardcore shankar lovely, this.
	11:58am listener james from westwood: Many thanks, Trouble!
	11:58am TDK60: Thanks!
	11:59am steveo: i hope that karlward will not be redistricted [ducking]
	11:59am jt: Ah. developers... used to mean you would give the m a roll of film and get photographs back, now that word is just horribly tinged with greed, power and inevitable ruin of what ever was charming or quaint. W/BURG is really considered a lost cause a textbook example, but hold on ! it gets worse 4-6 story buildings are now are making way for 60 story towers. yes 60...alas.
	11:59am Vitebsk Kfrbucllmn: It's another trip to the archives for me DJ This Is The Modern World with Trouble. Thank you now for then.
	11:59am Will: https://newjersey.redistrictingandyou.org/
	11:59am Malcontent: L Shankar, not Ravi. Sorry for the trouble Trouble.
	11:59am steveo: wonderful show thank you. that ravi shankar was marrrrvelous
	12:00pm Will: That site might be helpful for looking at demographics in your neighborhood. NJ state legislature redistricting is also happening rn
	12:00pm StringOFperils: Thank you !! Be well!

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January 13, 2022: wisdom through music

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	New	Approx. start time
mtume umoja ensemble	invocation "invocation" by "mtume umoja ensemble"	Alkebu-Lan - Land Of The Blacks (Live At The East)					0:00:00 (Pop-up)
harold land	mtume "mtume" by "harold land"	a new shade of blue					0:04:31 (Pop-up)
elori saxl	memory of blue "memory of blue" by "elori saxl"	the blue of distance	western vinyl			*	0:15:10 (Pop-up)
nite jewel	no escape "no escape" by "nite jewel"	no sun				*	0:26:27 (Pop-up)

julia hollter	coyotes of the canyon	4 women no cry v. 3 v/a					0:33:28 (Pop-up)
sarah davachi	chorus scene "chorus scene" by "sarah davachi"	Antiphonals	late music			*	0:37:03 (Pop-up)
bridget st john	downderry daze "downderry daze" by "bridget st john"	ask me no questions					0:39:50 (Pop-up)
hiroshi yoshimura	street "street" by "hiroshi yoshimura"	green		1986			0:42:46 (Pop-up)
josephine foster	my dove, my beautiful one	no more lamps in the morning		2015	poem by james joyce		0:48:59 (Pop-up)
vieux farka toure	fafa "fafa" by "vieux farka toure"	fondo					0:53:03 (Pop-up)
pharoah sanders	love is everywhere	wisdom through music					0:58:36 (Pop-up)

bernice	dry river bed "dry river bed" by "bernice"	eau du bonjourno					1:07:38 (Pop-up)
marinero	hella love "hella love" by "marinero"	hella love					1:12:04 (Pop-up)
lynn cornell	demon lover "demon lover" by "lynn cornell"	it's a scandal songs for soho blondes v/a					1:17:24 (Pop-up)
anadol	Casio Havasi "Casio Havasi" by "anadol"	Uzun Havalar				*	1:20:16 (Pop-up)
Serge Gainsbourg	Les Amours Perdues	la javanaise v 2					1:25:15 (Pop-up)
the ronettes	i can hear music "i can hear music" by "the ronettes"	g h					1:27:54 (Pop-up)
dianne & carole	feelin' the pain "feelin' the pain" by "dianne & carole"	Boogaloo Pow Wow (V/A)					1:31:38 (Pop-up)
ginger root	fly too "fly too" by "ginger root"	city slicker	acrophase			*	1:34:16 (Pop-up)
vanessa	amiga "amiga" by "vanessa"	sou					1:37:43 (Pop-up)
zulu	sueno de amor "sueno de amor" by "zulu"	Peru Maravilloso: Vintage Latin, Tropical and Cumbia					1:41:30 (Pop-up)
y pants	obvious "obvious" by "y pants"	y pants					1:44:17 (Pop-up)
orquesta akokan	guajira del mar "guajira del mar" by "orquesta akokan"	16 rayos	daptone			*	1:47:00 (Pop-up)
rail band	badialame "badialame" by "rail band"	mali 70 electric mali v/a					1:52:08 (Pop-up)
gary bartz	soulsea (cut chemist remix)	10 remixes	jazz is dead			*	1:56:53 (Pop-up)
miles davis	mtume "mtume" by "miles davis"	The Complete On the Corner Sessions					1:58:49 (Pop-up)

the ronettes	be my baby "be my baby" by "the ronettes"						2:13:12 (Pop-up)
ana mazzotti	roda mundo "roda mundo" by "ana mazzotti"	Ninguém Vai Me Segurar					2:15:39 (Pop-up)
valorie keys	listen here "listen here" by "valorie keys"	funk soul sisters. v/a					2:19:29 (Pop-up)
bayard lancaster	jazz lady "jazz lady" by "bayard lancaster"	my pure joy	strut	1992		*	2:20:36 (Pop-up)
angela davis	on becoming an activist	the prison industrial complex	AK press				2:24:50 (Pop-up)
helado negro	paz a ti ( peace to you)	pasajero					2:28:23 (Pop-up)

shankar	ragam- tanam-pallavi "ragam- tanam-pallavi" by "shankar"	who's to know					2:37:58 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:01am Handy Haversack: Morning, Trouble and all the Troubled.
	9:01am winston legthigh: hi trouble and the troubled ones.
	9:02am Dances with Moomins: Hi Trouble! Hi troubled folks the world over.
	9:02am MD: Good Morning Freeform Nation! Nation Of the Station...here's to Ronnie!
	9:02am Mike W: no one starts their shows better than
	9:03am Trouble: goooood thursday morning modern people!
	9:03am getinthagroove: Loving this
	9:03am Pale Son: Good morning! Love the Camus quote, been lately finding him such a sensible antidote to these times.
	9:03am rx scabin: Good morning, trouble.
	9:04am listener james from westwood: Morning, Trouble and all modernists!
	9:05am Barbara in PA: Morning, Trouble, Handy and all!
	9:06am Handy Haversack: Hi, Barbara!
	9:08am rx scabin: @Pale Son Antidote implies poison. An accurate analogy/metaphor by you.
	9:09am Cal Zone!: Loving this groove
	9:09am steveo: GReetings Trouble & ev'ryone
	9:10am Passaic River Blues: God, this is good.
	9:10am ledzeppelinsucks: Stephen Foster Memorial Day on January 13th commemorates the music of the man who composed hundreds of America’s first popular songs. Born in Lawrenceville, Pennsylvania, on July 4, 1826, Stephen Foster became known as America’s First Composer. His catchy tunes based on minstrel songs are still known today. Despite Foster’s exclusive music contract with Firth, Pond, and Company, he was penniless when he died at the age of 37. While his songs were wildly popular, the lack of copyright protection and alcoholism left him with nothing of value to show for his work.
	9:11am TDK60: Good morning DJ Trouble. Air quality index for Jersey City metro today is "poor" = 94. I'd wear a mask outdoors.
	9:11am Irene: Good morning Trouble and all Modern Worldly people! Thanks for the Mtume! (RIP)
	9:12am meredith: Good morning all from Chapel Hill, NC. It has been a while since I have checked out the boards on with DJ Trouble. Hope everyone is hanging in there.
	9:12am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: hi trouble. and listeners. happy new year – guess i am late…
	9:13am River: Enjoying this. G’morning all!
	9:17am YETI BOB: glad 2 b here!
	9:19am Rev. Turnip Druid: this thing is a good thing
	9:19am Adrian in London: Hi Trouble. Enjoying this Elori track very much
	9:19am listener james from westwood: @TDK60: AQI is also kinda high over in northeast Bergen County, as it happens. We've got no wind, plus we're in a valley, so it's a double whammy.
	9:24am TDK60: Listener James: I can see southeast Bergen Co. out my window from Manhattan. I can see the pollution haze.
	9:25am Cal in Dothan: Enjoying some modernity down here in sunny Alabama
	9:25am Robm: Morning trouble and fellow troublemakers
	9:27am rx scabin: I should be "getting ready." I think I will just sit a while and get ready that way.
	9:33am StringOFperils: R.I.P. :(
	9:37am Webhamster Henry: Good Modern morning!
	9:41am Emily: Dyin’ here, trouble. Yet killin me
	9:42am Hydroplane: Saw Bridget at MONTY HALL a few years ago, opening for michael chapman (RIP). great show...
	9:43am syl76: Happy New Year all
	9:44am Boris: Love me some Hiroshi.
	9:44am MD: Without Ronnie we would not have had Joey...Not the way he was...RIP Ronnie! Rest in Power!!!
	9:45am Anne: Good morning from Indiana, Trouble! Thank you for your show. It's a wonderful background to our homeschool each Thursday morning.
	9:48am Trouble: good morning anne in indiana! thanks for the kind words: teach on!!
	9:50am steveo: love this, oh james joyce very nice
	9:51am syl76: really chill playlist.. just what i needed today
	9:51am Emily: How did you know:re Josephine Foster? Are you in my mind?
	9:52am Robm: @MD joey and ronni were not related
	9:56am riley: Very good morning all!
	9:59am Pale Son: Yesss!
	10:09am iiibeat: Love is infinite! No beginning and no end. It may beguile, confuse or deceive. Love knows no boundaries. All illusion and suffering happens in the Light.
	10:15am Adrian in London: Has anyone read the Rickie Lee Jones memoir, Last Chance Texaco? I finished it last night, and recommend it. She had quite an early life, and the book concentrates on that, flipping past the usual “and then I recorded X album” etc.
	10:16am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Adrian in London: I thought it was terrific and it made me take a deep dive back into her catalog. One of the best books I read last year.
	10:17am Trouble: my local bookstore says that ricki lee book is super duper, haven' tread it.
	10:17am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Also, the John Lurie memoir is worth a look.
	10:21am Trouble: got the john lurie book from santa, but santa is reading it now...meanwhile i am reading a fabulous book vaguely about sea turtles and the london zoo: www.nyrb.com...
	10:22am StringOFperils: Binge watched Painting with John last week. He's an interesting person.
	10:23am Passaic River Blues: @Trouble: I read that Hoban a few years ago! I enjoyed it, as well as his Frances kids books back in the day.
	10:23am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Trouble: That reminds me, I want to check out Susan Orlean's On Animals. Have heard good things about it (and I _loved_ her Library Book).
	10:25am Trouble: sounds good @ woods...
	10:25am Robm: Feels like i just dropped into a middle of a book club:) Gives me some reading idea’s
	10:28am StringOFperils: Russell Hoban's The Mouse and his Child is one of the most imaginative 'childrens' novels I've ever read. In the best books ever pile.
	10:28am nathan: @Trouble, how is that book? I've been reading Russell Hoban's "Riddley Walker", but it's a tough!
	10:29am Zipperhead7: Ronnie Spector . . . I remember hearing "Be My Baby" on the car radio as a six-year-old, sitting in the front between my cousins with their bouffant hair and cat's-eye sunglasses, watching them crack their gum and smoke cigarettes and talk about their worthless boyfriends as they discussed the Perfect Boy. I remember thinking the Ronettes were such hot, sultry goddesses that if I, a mere mortal, would touch them I would burst into flame.
	10:29am Pale Son: Todd-o-phonic Todd played this this morning too! But sure, I'll favourite it again. :)
	10:29am Jason from Houston: ꒰ ॢ ꈍ ◡ ꈍ ॢ ꒱
	10:30am MD: It just get ya! Right… always…
	10:30am oshiwoshi: that vibrato
	10:30am StringOFperils: Ronnie always seemed like she might have a switch-blade stashed in that bouffant.
	10:31am Trouble: @nathan: it's a breeze! fabulous and wry
	10:32am nathan: nice. going on my list
	10:33am Handy Haversack: We read a couple of excellent NYRB books recently. www.nyrb.com... : From the 1930s, set in the French Revolution of 1848, story of an English gentlewoman whose children die and then she falls in love with her husband's lover. Somehow, none of that is a spoiler! www.nyrb.com... : amazing surrealist story of the end of the world and the cult of devil-worshiping women who will save us. Also, there's a cat.
	10:33am Robm: @stringofpearls being married to phil could do that to anyone
	10:33am Robm: I meant perils my bad
	10:34am StringOFperils: @nathan > Re. Riddley Walker >> www.google.com...
	10:34am waters7: Handy: I've read a lot of Sylvia Townsend Warner. She is a crazy read.
	10:35am MD: As some of might guess.. I’m a huge Ramones fan…. THEY ARE MY BEATLES… but I always got same feelings ( goose bumps) hearing the Ronettes.,.
	10:36am Handy Haversack: waters7: Keeping an eye out for Lolly Willowes now. The end of Summer Will Show was absolutely amazing.
	10:36am StringOFperils: It's okay, @Robm, I carry nothing more dangerous than a bad attitude. Everyone misreads my avatar
	10:36am Roberto: As if in tribute to Ronnie, my connection just dropped for a few minutes and I couldn't hear music.
	10:36am Trouble: @pale son: i was watching todd's playlist so i wouldn't double up and i must have missed it. was it at the end?
	10:37am Trouble: @zipperhead: that sounds about right! we are mere mortals...
	10:39am MD: @Trouble… yeah he closed his show that song… BUT I COULD LISTEN TO THAT SONG ALL DAY!
	10:40am Trouble: looooove lolly willowes!!!
	10:41am Glistener MW: Vanessa! 💚
	10:41am Glistener MW: Only Amiga Makes It Possible [tm]
	10:43am Phillippe: Howdy
	10:45am Passaic River Blues: @Handy: The NYRB Classics line is nearly always gold. That Carrington (a Trouble favorite, if I rightly recall) sounds really, really good. I'm really Vanessa Veselka's "The Great Offshore Grounds" (~2/3rds through) and am loving it. www.penguinrandomhouse.com...
	10:45am Passaic River Blues: *I'm reading
	10:46am nathan: "don't be afraid to be boring" is my new daily affirmation
	10:47am nathan: i used to be in that NYRB monthly book club. it's pretty great, but i couldn't keep up after a while. they always have amazing selections
	10:48am YETI BOB: +1 on NYRB Books. The last 2 books I read were from there - "When We Cease to Understand the World" by Benjamin Labatut, and the diaries of the Goncourt brothers.
	10:49am Pale Son: @Trouble: It was at the end, yeah, he bookended the show with Ronettes. Happy to hear it a second time, though!
	10:49am Handy Haversack: Thanks for the tip, PRB!
	10:50am MD: @Robm...Joey and Ronnie Shared Musical DNA...that was the Heart of my statement...
	10:50am YETI BOB: Which reminds me - we still have the Modern World Reading List (which anyone can add to) - docs.google.com... or follow the link on my listener profile
	10:51am nathan: awesome @yeti. love the C column Ballard pick, haha. i have a massive collection of all his short fiction, it's pretty great
	10:53am Pale Son: @YB: I love that Infinite Jest and Ulysses are at the top of the list. I'll get to the rest of the books once I've finished those two! :D
	10:54am Passaic River Blues: @Nathan & Yeti Bob: same here! They pile up, you let the subscription lapse, and then have a nice little reservoir of excellent reads lined up. Were it not for NYRB, I probably wouldn't have discovered Magda Szabo or plowed through Stefan Zweig or been floored by Simone Schwarz-Bart's "The Bridge of Beyond." And the Patrick Leigh Fermor memoir trilogy? Holy shit.
	10:54am Handy Haversack: NYRB also publishes Hav, which is fantastic.
	10:57am Passaic River Blues: @Handy: [Googs; absorbs; adds to cart]
	11:00am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Infinite Jest. Ugh. Here's the exact 'sentence' that made me bail: Thereafter proceeding first to the Upper Brighton and now to the cooperative Back Bay-edge brownstone she had lived in once with Orin and performed in with his father and then passed on to the Molly Notkin, today's party's guest of honor and hostess in one, as of yesterday enjoying A.B.D. pre-doctoral status in Film & Film-Cartridge theory at M.I.T., having cleared the notorious hurdle of Oral Examinations on that day by offering her examination committee a dramatically rendered and if she did say so herself devastating oral critique of post-millennial Marxists Film-Cartridge Theory from the point of view of Marx himself, Marx as pretend-film-cartridge theorist and scholar.
	11:01am rx scabin: One of favorites. I got this album in tenth grade. Immediate musical ostracization.
	11:01am Handy Haversack: I have read IJ six or seven times. An all-time great in my, uh, book.
	11:01am YETI BOB: ok, woods, you don't like it. there are plenty of books on that list i don't like either. diff'rent strokes.
	11:02am Pale Son: IJ would be unbearable if it weren't so hilarious.
	11:03am drr: I was a big fan of David Foster Wallace until Infinite Jest.
	11:03am βrian: That paragraph needs more clauses.
	11:03am waters7: handy: I read them all awhile ago. I think that I had read an article about STW being the most underrated writer. This was before she was republished by NYBR. I found a treasure trove of her books at used bookstore and read them all. I've reread Lolly Willowes (kind of recently) but did love Summer Will Show.
	11:04am otto: mmmmmmmmmm!
	11:04am Qibote: Fits my mood
	11:05am YETI BOB: i think it's interesting that the character of the book-list changes over time. The first few are big fat tomes, things to help pass the time during the initial lockdown. Then things took a turn to the dystopian. And finally we seem to have gotten a little tired of the dystopianism and more "general interest" books started taking over.
	11:05am Zipperhead7: Miles' 73-75 group was so far ahead of its time the world will never catch up.
	11:05am StringOFperils: A little anachronism of a store here in Toronto, completely surrounded by towering glass condo monsters and gaping pits, like the house in 'UP', has enabled me to find quite a bit of NYRB books imprint very cheaply. Manna from NYNY...but it's probably fading fast.
	11:07am rx scabin: @Zipperhead7 They pissed off the right people.
	11:09am Handy Haversack: Read Ulysses twice. Bit of a slacker there. Goblin! Stop typing!
	11:10am Therese: Becky and I did the same thing yesterday. Everybody loves I Can Hear Music.
	11:10am YETI BOB: I should revisit Ulysses, I was too young when I read it and I think most if it went over my head. Plus its the 100th anniversary!
	11:11am Listener David in Budd Lake: Rush is from Toronto
	11:11am Handy Haversack: SUBDIVISIONS
	11:12am βrian: There's a development proposed for our 'hood. Naturally, it exceeds all existing zoning limits.
	11:12am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @YETI BOB: Yeah, it just didn't resonate. But it's not that I can't see how much talent he had. Being able to keep several plot lines moving, etc. etc. I really like his essays.
	11:12am Pale Son: Cui bono?
	11:12am Andrea: Development destabilizing toolkit?
	11:13am karlward: You might peruse the Beautiful Trouble site: www.beautifultrouble.org
	11:13am βrian: Wait. Is this in-fill or land-fill?
	11:14am karlward: "Creative tools for a more just world…"
	11:14am queen mcsteve: There's a book called "Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds" by Adrienne Maree Brown that might be helpful...
	11:14am StringOFperils: It's pocket-fill.
	11:14am karlward: Beautiful Trouble was a popular resource for us troublemakers in art school
	11:15am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	11:15am Zipperhead7: After the show -- I heard this song about real estate nearly 40 years ago and FINALLY tracked it down: www.youtube.com...
	11:16am Vivian: @ Trouble, when Walmart proposed to move into an old mall near my house, they acted like it was such a win-win. Bringing jobs, building one family townhouses on site, etc. I was against it, but was in the minority. Noticed everything they proposed included 'we may..' nothing definite. That Walmart sucks resources like police (they call police on everything, included bad checks). No townhomes were built. Jobs? not as many as they originally quoted. Lots of light pollution. Glad I moved.
	11:17am Andrea: I'm not sure if this is helpful: designwithintent.co.uk
	11:17am Handy Haversack: Gonna have to listen to the rest from the car. Thanks, Trouble! Lovely show. Rest in power, Ronnie. Later on, all.
	11:18am karlward: I remember there was an art project to deanonymize slumlords by unwinding the owners and members of the various shell companies used, for example. Can't find the link to that project easily at the moment.
	11:18am drr: Not every book has to have the same structure, or a recognizable structure, but the problem I had with IJ is that it never delivers on any of its promises, there's no resolution to anything. He's introducing new characters with fifty pages to go in the book. The longer I read it (and I finished) the more hostile it felt.
	11:18am Peter in SEA: Bonjour @Trouble and Thursday people. Late to the party but this Anna Mazzotti is very coooool. Will catch up in archives.
	11:18am waters7: The scene in "Mean Streets" with "Be My Baby" was an eye opener for me. I knew that this was considered a high brow movie but Scorsese used this song. I was used to foreign/art house "films". Never was I as touched by music in a film like this. it was artful and immediate. Hard to explain if you didn't grow up in the 60's and 70's. It was so powerful.
	11:19am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: Put very simply, most of those angry people act in enormously bad faith. Most of them are either racist NIMBYs or rich a-holes who don't want their multi-million dollar home values to decrease by either losing sightlines or keeping the price of their property artificially inflated by making sure to block absolutely any new housing. We absolutely should be pushing for more dense, walkable neighborhoods, especially in very dense places like Jersey City. These kinds of NIMBYs have been blocking all sorts of amazing progress in NYC and the surrounding areas. NYC gained like the population of Pittsburgh in the last census and has barely built new housing. That's quite a demand crunch from a huge lack of supply. Generally speaking, more housing is good, even luxury apartments. Density is good. Sprawl is extremely space and energy inefficient. Extremely costly. You want transit-oriented infrastructure in a walkable area that also has multiple uses. Build up where infrastrucure already exists. And no, that doesn't mean turning every North Jersey, LI, Hudson Valley, and Connecticut town into massive metropolises. Also, especially in dense, walkable urban areas, we cede FAR too much space to cars. We heavily or completely subsidize housing for cars instead of people.
	11:19am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Affordable housing is an issue up here as well. Tourism is _the_ industry and they're having a hard time finding workers because there's nowhere to live. Beyond trying to limit the use of AirB&B, there have been very few other proposals. Some companies have take matters into their own hands. Jackson Labs is building a small housing campus to attract new candicates.
	11:19am Pale Son: @drr: The ending is meant to lead back to the beginning again.
	11:20am YETI BOB: @drr: i dont' want to get into a big discussion about IJ but there are some hints in the book that something major, and catastrophic, happens just "outside the frame". it's super-post-modern but i think it delivers exactly what the author intended.
	11:21am βrian: Catalog record for the book above: www.worldcat.org...
	11:21am morphe': The 6 "low/working class units" will go to friends or cousins of a local politician.. Back in the' 80 there was a building for elders being constructed... Applications were going to made available on xx/xx/xxxx. Al D'Amatto's mother sent hers in before the applications were made available to the public... OOOOpppps ... cannot find the article so do not quote me ... NYTimes article I cannot access= not sure of the focus: https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/08/nyregion/d-amato-his-village-and-favoritism-in-housing.html
	11:21am YETI BOB: βrian: Nice. I also added it to the reading list document
	11:22am coolioiglesias: when they cut the ribbon at the barclays center in downtown brooklyn, the developers said they'd multiply the affordable housing they destroyed in order to build it over the next 10 years. here we are over 10 years later, it's just a bunch of ugly lux condos, no indication that they even remotely delivered on that promise, and who's gonna hold them accountable?
	11:22am Andrea: Here is a cool project about urban development and people: welcometocup.org and they have a page of resources: welcometocup.org...
	11:22am oshiwoshi: affordable housing linked to minimum income threshold set by the developers
	11:22am Tadmanthemadman: i didn't hear all, but I'd look for a civil impact analysis to prove their is enough road, parking, water and power without taking away from the existing community... Make them prove all the building and civil codes are being met... back to work..
	11:22am βrian: No Van Life for Handy!
	11:23am Zipperhead7: Another real estate song. "He's chopping uo the neighborhood. He calls himself The Chopper and he's chopping while the chopping is good." www.youtube.com...
	11:23am Cincy Ryan: I agree with Rosey's comments above. Density is good, although the devil's in the details. Good article in the atlantic last year. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/theres-no-such-thing-luxury-housing/618548/
	11:23am Peter in SEA: @waters7 never read any STW, where should I start? :-)
	11:23am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: You make a valid point. I read a book on suburban design years back and they were talking about how the Main St. of old, with combined use of shops and residential, is mostly not legal anymore. It's kind of crazy.
	11:24am Partyfinger: Get Em Out By Friday
	11:24am Tan Tulip: Here's one idea, which would require a change in city rules: that the city won't even consider building projects that do not meet basic parameters. This might prevent developers from submitting projects that are clearly larger than acceptable and then compromising down to something that is still a negative for the community
	11:24am karlward: I love Infinite Jest. I love how you can open it to literally any page and start reading and find that the prose on that page is brilliant.
	11:25am StringOFperils: Seeing a considerable amount of $$$ parked in expensive new-condo development here, by people who live in places like Hong Kong and Dubai, ghost units that sit, empty, trebling their market value in the short term, while many of those who formerly inhabited that neighbourhood live in tent cities and under bridges. Developers get carte-blanche, resulting in civic planning being effectively privatized. Low income families are...well, you know..
	11:26am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: But @coolioiglesias, to one of the points I was making, there are still NIMBYs constantly pushing back on housing projects today, including some really important ones in the general vicinity of Barclays. I know the Brooklyn Botanical Garden recently showed its arse by gloating about blocking a bunch of housing right near a subway station. I think a lot of units were even going to be affordable, but I don't remember the details. Also, to give you an idea of the type of people we're dealing with, a group of NIMBYs have been trying to block construction of an elevator for the 68th Street-Hunter College IRT subway station for years.
	11:27am karlward: Kenneth Jackson's Crabgrass Frontier (about suburbanization of the US) is a great study of how large scale housing changes have happened in the past.
	11:28am YETI BOB: @Rosey: Excellent points. Are there effective strategies for fighting NIMBYism? (Also, hi, hope you are well!)
	11:28am Passaic River Blues: @Rosey: that is the crux of the issue--how to disentangle NIMBYism, which reinforces the housing crisis and pushes development toward profit-maximizing "luxury" projects, from poorly thought-out and shoddily constructed projects in areas that do not yet have the infrastructure to support high density development. I have no answers, but the problem really is two-sided. @WoodsofNH: was that book James Kunstler's "Geography of Nowhere"?
	11:29am GiB: Birmingham native here. It amazes me how much we never learned about Angela Davis while learning about Civil Rights in school, and we were a very progressive school district.
	11:29am coolioiglesias: @Rosey you're right, there's definitely more nuance to this topic than my barclays observation - i just remember covering that press conference for work and thinking "yeah right."
	11:29am Cal Zone!: Love AD! What a brilliant human!
	11:30am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Passaic River Blues: No. I think it's either Suburban Nation or Picture Windows. (I just glanced up at the shelf). Shoot, now I've got to read Geography of Nowwhere.
	11:30am rx scabin: Helado Negro! Thank you Trouble. Perfect.
	11:30am morphe': Battery Park city = Pre-Barclay Sham BPC was supposed to have xx% amount of affordable units but when it became clear of the open market possibilities... It all went free market for other units to be built at a later date on other sites and re-hab of existing "controlled/stabilized units" = NEVER HAPPENED !!!! https://www.propublica.org/article/bad-grandpa-the-ugly-forefather-of-new-yorks-affordable-housing-debacles
	11:31am Tan Tulip: I think too much is left to private developers. How about more government financed development that helps those in need more. Sorry, Reagan, government is not the enemy
	11:32am Trouble: cool angela davis show a the zimmerli museum in new brunswick nj zimmerli.rutgers.edu...
	11:32am YETI BOB: more socialism please
	11:32am morphe': Jane Jacob's "Life and Death of American Cities" is an essential and highly readable book = TOME I would say !!!!
	11:32am karlward: IIRC Jane Jacobs wrote about how Toronto had been effective in preserving its walkability and housing. Death and Life of Great American Cities is a phenomenal book.
	11:33am morphe': Karlward - were were in synch there ..
	11:36am YETI BOB: added to list
	11:36am Lucky: Developers also add to JC politician's "campaign funds"...
	11:36am Tan Tulip: I grew up in a suburb that built a mall, which added a lot to the tax base
	11:37am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: @WoodsOfNH (now Maine), yeah, and a lot of those towns and Main streets were decent examples of how you don't need a metropolis. You can go a long way with a main strip that has actual life to it and hasn't just been completely decimated, and having mixed uses there, including housing, and having housing that's also not too far away. And where you'd be able to walk, bike, or take transit to places, and again, these places wouldn't need to be far away. Big bonus when the entire town is built around a train station. What you'd want to do with places like that is try to build some apartments that are like two or three stories tall. You can get a lot more density just out of doing that in place of some old and drafty houses that should be knocked down, and it makes it so that living in that place doesn't require having to own an entire home. And ideally having a car wouldn't be a requirement either. If there is a train station too, building a bunch of housing around that, along with other mixed uses of course, would be a great thing to do. Relatedly, would it KILL transit agencies like NJTransit, the MTA commuter railroads, PATCO, etc. to stop putting their suburban stations in parking craters and instead surround it with development? And these transit agencies would be able to make so much more money off of that land. But yeah, some poor political decisions and then insanely dumb things like spending billions of dollars on highway bypasses that save motorists all of three minutes and ensure those bypassed towns, that also used to have rail service until parallel government-funded highways made it impossible for private railroads to compete, don't get any more tourists.
	11:37am Zipperhead7: One of the best docs I've seen on public housing is "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth." www.youtube.com...
	11:38am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: I'm sorry, but that's straight-up not accurate. Building more housing generally makes places MORE affordable. An artificial limit on the housing supply drives up values!
	11:38am not a developer: Love the show. But increased density does not "drive up rents" - quite the opposite.
	11:39am morphe': Rosey - many UK studies have shown that "road widening" only leads to more/thicker/wider traffic .. LA must prove the same??? .. The "NEW" BQE will surely be the same???
	11:40am YETI BOB: "Induced Travel Demand" - more lanes = more traffic, it never helps!
	11:41am Tan Tulip: quel horreur!: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/13/fda-deregulates-french-dressing/
	11:41am YETI BOB: en.wikipedia.org... - people (e.g. Robert Moses) making the same mistake for DECADES
	11:42am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: @coolioiglesias, yeah, a lot of nuance, and one of the problems is that there are plenty of valid points, but people who act in bad faith will shoehorn these points into their attacks. They'll just use those points as cudgels with which to attack any and all new development. It's such a bad case of reactionary NIMBYism. Shame on these despicable people. My housing knowledge is limited, but I've learned some things about it because I know a lot about transit and see how the two are related, transit and land use/housing. I personally try placing most of my focus on fighting these destructive NIMBYs.
	11:43am βrian: We have pretty heavy traffic on our bike paths. Pedestrians and bikers make for a messy mix.
	11:44am Tan Tulip: Wages, wages, wages
	11:45am morphe': For after Trouble... A Great nearly unknown Scot - Matt McGinn wrote a great song about moving people from intimate neighborhoods to far flung projects (fyi a "Jeely" is a jelly sandwich ... Mom's would pass them out the window to their children playing in the street ... the song goes "..ya cannot eat a jelly from the 22nd floor..." ( Scot - Matt McGinn was a normal Socialist but was branded a Commie and banned by the BBC and BBC Scot - a lost Nat'i Treasure)
	11:45am Qibote: Saw him play once with Kumar Bose on tablas. Was impressive.
	11:45am βrian: The new trend in Madison is to let people build "accessory" housing units on their residential property.
	11:45am ?: Cities that grow survive and thrive. The only way we are going to combat climate change is to build walkable urbanism where we can reduce our GHG emissions by NOT driving. While we attend endless community meetings where "poor me" people yammer on about gentrification, change, NIMBYism, etc., China and Nigeria and India are building.
	11:45am Tan Tulip: Thanks for this, Trouble--amazing
	11:45am YETI BOB: βrian: It makes sense to separate bikes from pedestrians b/c they go at different speeds. I'm talking about highways.
	11:47am Sean: Teaching critical thinking is tough. I think it needs to be part of the curriculum very early in school and I do remember very early on that my Iowa public schools at least played lip service to the idea. It wasn't until later when I got into the topic as an adult wannabe science nerd that I realized that it was largely just lip service. However looking at the state of things I think I was better served than most Americans because just putting the word "critical" next to the word "race" seems to be enough to cause a civil disturbance.
	11:47am morphe': Forgot the link for later: "Ya Cannot Eat a Jelly from the 22nd Floor" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7SAPmcwXA
	11:48am βrian: @YB: For sure. Just mentioning because it seems like a new (to me) development.
	11:48am Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: And yes to everyone talking about highway widenings. Good on all of you for taking what I said and bringing it to the next point. Yeah, highway widenings do not work, they cost a ton of money, and they just lead to more pollution with the same travel times. This started happening very quickly on the new Kosciusko Bridge, even though Cuomo of course said traffic would be solved. And the highways take up SO much land, and yes, the neighborhoods they destroy continue to be predominantly minority neighborhoods. They're proposing some seriously stupid crap in Austin and Houston, the latter of which already has a highway with like 25 lanes. When will it be enough? When will we realize that "one more lane" isn't the solution? When will we realize it's not worth the childhood asthma rates and climate catastrophe, among so many other negative externalities? When will we stop pressuring and even forcing people into the huge financial burden of having a car while making sure so many of the country's mass transit users/walkers/bikers, etc remain almost completely invisible? And yes, we're proposing absolutely insane projects in NYC and throughout New York state and New Jersey. Meanwhile, so much unused rail infrastructure just sits there... Get loud and say something to your elected officials!
	11:50am Trouble: We need drastic measures in JC since nearly the entire city council is on the side of the mayor: pro development in all wards
	11:50am waters7: We started a neighborhood group called: StableBrooklyn because developers discovered our neighborhood. We were able to contain some of it. We brought in an urban planner from Hunter--with his grad students --to come up with a plan on why the growth should be contextual and what made our neighborhood worth saving. I could send you a link. This was before DeBlasio was mayor. He came and walked around with us. We all became involved with our community board.
	11:50am morphe': In rural Ireland - regular old houses were small (2fls =only/usually 2 bedrooms) and so one can get get planning permission to build to the side or back, but never higher than the original structure ... seems like an ok compromise...
	11:52am StringOFperils: Toronto has changed a great deal since Jane Jacobs wrote The Death and Life of Great American Cities. The comparably tiny population density here in TO might make it easier to crow about how 'walkable' it is presently, but that is changing, and refugees of radical climate-change will drive that much more rapidly in the coming years...a lot of it's already happening, but on the surface it appears to be products of global political strife. It's gonna get a lot more New York-y here; it already is. For now, for me, if it is indeed more 'walkable', it won't be because it's a paragon of good planning, but because I can be confident that no one is carrying a gun. (so far) I can think of areas where Toronto's recent civic planning re. housing will prove to be a total debacle in twenty or thirty years.
	11:53am HP: Sorry if you addressed this earlier, just tuned in. There is a very important meeting regarding plans to change the ward boundaries in Jersey City tomorrow evening. One of the big changes involves changing the ward that Liberty State Park is in. https://mobile.twitter.com/chris_l_gadsden/status/1481610431475105795
	11:54am Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks for the show this morning, Trouble.
	11:55am HP: Different subject I know, but related.
	11:55am Andrea: thank you Trouble! Great show.
	11:55am morphe': Thanks Trouble and all !!!! FMU On-Line University fulfilling its EDU => Tax Free moniker...
	11:56am Dances with Moomins: Lovely show the perfect background for the day. We also have pedestrian/bike challenges in Turku, Finland but mostly things work very well Cheers!
	11:56am βrian: David D is on standby on The Drummer Stream, if that's your wont. wfmu.org...
	11:56am listener 126464: Thanks Trouble.
	11:56am Trouble: HP: that link isn't working. have another?
	11:56am morphe': HP - DIRECTLY RELATED TO TODAY"S POSTS !!!! TOO FAR AWAY TO GO BUT GOOD LUCK !!!!
	11:56am Trouble: thanks for sitting in today!
	11:56am rx scabin: Great show. Thank you.
	11:58am Rev. Turnip Druid: hardcore shankar lovely, this.
	11:58am listener james from westwood: Many thanks, Trouble!
	11:58am TDK60: Thanks!
	11:59am steveo: i hope that karlward will not be redistricted [ducking]
	11:59am jt: Ah. developers... used to mean you would give the m a roll of film and get photographs back, now that word is just horribly tinged with greed, power and inevitable ruin of what ever was charming or quaint. W/BURG is really considered a lost cause a textbook example, but hold on ! it gets worse 4-6 story buildings are now are making way for 60 story towers. yes 60...alas.
	11:59am Vitebsk Kfrbucllmn: It's another trip to the archives for me DJ This Is The Modern World with Trouble. Thank you now for then.
	11:59am Will: https://newjersey.redistrictingandyou.org/
	11:59am Malcontent: L Shankar, not Ravi. Sorry for the trouble Trouble.
	11:59am steveo: wonderful show thank you. that ravi shankar was marrrrvelous
	12:00pm Will: That site might be helpful for looking at demographics in your neighborhood. NJ state legislature redistricting is also happening rn
	12:00pm StringOFperils: Thank you !! Be well!

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