WFMU: Testify! with Larry Grogan: Playlist from July 10, 2019

Listener comments!
	10:00pm Gary: Larry!
	10:00pm Funky16Corners: Gary!
	10:01pm Franco Twinkie: Hi Larry!
	10:01pm coelacanth∅: Larry! Gary! future others!
	10:01pm coelacanth∅: franco!
	10:01pm Funky16Corners: Franco! C!
	10:01pm fleep: Gary Larry Franco coela future others!
	10:01pm doctorjazz: Back from the future.
	10:02pm chresti: Hi Larry and testifiers!
	10:02pm Funky16Corners: Fleep! Doc! Chresti!
	10:03pm Erica: Astrud covering Chicago. Wow.
	10:03pm northguineahills: Astrud w/ Joao?
	10:03pm Funky16Corners: Hi Erica! NGH!
	10:03pm Funky16Corners: No Joao on this one.
	10:05pm Jeff Ash: Late to the party, but reporting for duty from steamy, sultry Wisconsin.
	10:05pm Funky16Corners: Hey Jeff!
	10:06pm Erica: You're just in time Jeff.
	10:06pm northguineahills: Is their a track w/ Bebel, Astud, and Joao?
	10:06pm Franco Twinkie: Mosquito bites and ice cream cones in your lap.
	10:07pm Matt from New Orleans: I’ve always enjoyed this cover Larry. Heard it elsewhere not that long ago.
	10:07pm coelacanth∅: (fashionably late, and earlier than i when i'm late)
	10:07pm Funky16Corners: NGH - I don't think so. Bebel is Joao's daughter by his second wife.
	10:07pm Matt from New Orleans: Hi everyone
	10:07pm Funky16Corners: Hey Matt!
	10:07pm Funky16Corners: Here comes the breakdown with Airto
	10:08pm coelacanth∅: hey Matt!
	10:10pm Erica: I just heard this Kenny Rankin song not long ago.
	10:11pm Funky16Corners: It was covered a bunch of times. A hit in England for Georgie Fame and here for Helen Reddy
	10:11pm Matt from New Orleans: If you’ve never visited the aggressively pink website of Astrud, it’s like visiting the internet of my teens. astrudgilberto.com
	10:11pm Funky16Corners: This is a really good album if you come across it
	10:12pm doctorjazz: Know this song, but not sure I know the rankin version
	10:12pm Funky16Corners: @Matt - Wow! that;s OLD SCHOOL
	10:13pm Funky16Corners: @Doc - Rankin's is the original. It was covered by Bobbie Gentry the same year
	10:14pm doctorjazz: Definitely not one of the. witchi Tai versions I know.
	10:15pm coelacanth∅: it's not pink on this laptop, just an extremely subtle hint of violet, with violet/mauve print
	10:16pm coelacanth∅: i think i've never heard "peaceful", original or otherwise.
	10:17pm Matt from New Orleans: You should change your name to Pantone C
	10:20pm doctorjazz: The Petra Haden version of "...Sell Out" is just great! (The original ain't bad either)
	10:21pm doctorjazz: And love this Joni album!
	10:22pm Funky16Corners: @Doc - Yes! The Petra Haden version is wonderful!.
	10:22pm Erica: Me too doc. It's has that soft rock 70s sound I like.
	10:23pm Erica: I was confused to hear this song here.
	10:24pm Funky16Corners: Which one?
	10:25pm Erica: "Help Me"
	10:26pm doctorjazz: Joni expanding her jazz chops.
	10:26pm Funky16Corners: Yeah, love Joni. @Erica - I've played Joni on the show before.
	10:27pm Funky16Corners: @Doc - The string of albums in the 70s are just amazing. Some of my favorites.
	10:27pm Franco Twinkie: When Help Me came out I saw Joni and The LA Express at the Anaheim Convention Center, a building that I kid you not, looks like a flying saucer. The crushed velvet and patched denim crowd was out in force that night.
	10:29pm Funky16Corners: I can imagine! I only saw her once, around 1985. Great show.
	10:30pm Matt from New Orleans: Franco more than the Hampton Coliseum in Hampton, VA?
	10:31pm Funky16Corners: The Garden State Arts Center is pretty UFO-esque
	10:31pm Funky16Corners: Which is where i saw Joni...coincidence?!?
	10:38pm Funky16Corners: Where's Dean? He put me onto this version.
	10:38pm Matt from New Orleans: I’m put my devices down and will continue to listen. Have a great night everyone. Thanks Larry. I’ve enjoyed the mood you’re setting and the tunes so far.
	10:38pm Funky16Corners: Nite Matt!
	10:39pm Erica: Goodnight and enjoy Matt!
	10:40pm Franco Twinkie: I was stoned in the back seat of a Buick Riviera going down The Sunset Strip on a rainy night when we saw the billboard of For The Roses. The girl sitting nest to me said "I saw her at The Dorothy Chandler Pavillion."I knew nothing about Joni Mitchell. The next year, she's the one who would take me to the flying saucer.
	10:41pm coelacanth∅: i might've seen Joni Mitchell at an anti-nukes rally when shithead reagan was in office, but i don't remember much of that. apparently i saw a lot of "big" performers.
	10:45pm Erica: "You got a used dog Charlie Brown."
	10:46pm Funky16Corners: Nooooo dogs allowed....
	10:46pm Dean: I love that she worked with Jaco Pastorius et al., but otherwise I'm not a big Joni fan. I'm thinking one of my high school English teacher's gave me a bad vibe about touchy-feely-folky stuff.
	10:47pm Funky16Corners: Oh, I think after 1971 or so she's much more than that.
	10:48pm chresti: love swirly strings
	10:49pm Funky16Corners: Me too, Chresti. I wonder who the first person was to put that sound together, whether in an orchestra or a pop song?
	10:49pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, She was much more than that. But seriously, the girls who were into Joni...
	10:51pm Dean: Cripes, ^teachers (plural). Yeah, just doesn't grab me. I enjoy hearing it now and then, mostly to embrace the nostalgia. But on balance, no.
	10:56pm chresti: I know Blue, and the jazzy one that has Help Me on it. I was visiting a friend in Stockton who played it while driving around
	10:57pm coelacanth∅: my older brother had ladies of the canyon, which he maybe got because it had "woodstock" on it and, like me, he liked to get to the source...but in 10th grade i became surrounded by "flowerchildren" girls so -it was inevitable. blue and court and spark were the ones they brought over. (then i got a bunch of others)
	10:57pm doctorjazz: I always liked how Joni created her own guitar style/sound with those big open tunings, sorry of like Richie Havens (but sounding nothing like Richie Havens). Sounded like no one else. (Nice cover here).
	10:57pm Dean: I knew guys who were into her, not so much girls. This is one of those utterly personal, subjective things. Lotsa people can't stomach Mozart, and I understand how that can be. Ultimately, I am fascinated by Mozart, less so by Mitchell.
	10:58pm Funky16Corners: Yeah, I love Joni deeply, but I know people that O respect that can't deal with her voice or overall style.
	10:58pm northguineahills: Haven't heard this cover, and I dig Claudine Longet!
	10:59pm Funky16Corners: @NGH - This whole album is pretty good
	10:59pm doctorjazz: Don't know this Longet album, titled for a Stones tune, but we're hearing Beatles.
	11:00pm Franco Twinkie: I've had to rearrange my insufferable know-it-all rock music mind many times. Joni Mitchell is a great early example of someone going "check this out" and me going "Whaa!?!"
	11:01pm Dean: I'll interject a release valve. I felt the same way about Jethro Tull for y-e-a-r-s. Then suddenly one day I got them (the early stuff, I mean). Could happen with Joni, too. I remain interested in her, which is a sign that I haven't given up. (Compare Gary's show and Soundgarden, in whom I had and have and will always have zero interest.)
	11:04pm Erica: What is that about the new shows? Sorry Larry my internet cut out.
	11:04pm doctorjazz: Love Tull until Aqualung, saw them on that tour. A few songs on Jini's Blue can knock me over (A Case Of You, California). So I'm sappy...
	11:06pm northguineahills: Wow, you listened to music at age 11? I didn't start until age 16 (I was more into books).
	11:09pm doctorjazz: I got a transistor radio when I was 12, and was hooked on music.
	11:10pm Little Danny: Hey Larry, hey all. Stoked to catch this live
	11:10pm doctorjazz: Strapped it to my bike handle, took it to bed, listened as much as I could.
	11:10pm Franco Twinkie: Off topic: Gary Duncan R.I.P.
	11:11pm Dean: Shoot, I was listening to music from, I dunno, age 4 or 5. Avidly. Beatles, Rick Nelson, Monkees, later Hair ST, classical, and then Medieval and Renaissance recitals. Music was ubiquitous. My mom and dad had great LPs and 45s. I dug in.
	11:13pm Jeff Ash: FWIW, Evie Sands turns 73 a week from tomorrow.
	11:14pm Franco Twinkie: Claudine got off and wound up marrying her defence council.
	11:15pm Funky16Corners: Hey Danny!
	11:15pm Little Danny: Music was never not playing growing up in my family, but my tastes were developing independently as far back as I remember - age 3 or 4
	11:16pm Funky16Corners: NGH - I was listening to AM radio pretty intently from the time was was 6 or 7, thanks to a visit with some older cousins. I don't think I started collecting records until I was 12, but my ears were wide open.
	11:17pm Funky16Corners: @Jeff - I think Evie is still performing, too!
	11:17pm Little Danny: Cool, understated LP, this Stewart & Ford! "Holly on My Mind" is an all-time fave
	11:18pm Funky16Corners: @Danny - Yes indeed. A nice companion piece to John's California Bloodlines
	11:19pm northguineahills: Like everything nerdlling endeavor I've done, I jumped in head first and researched everything and saw as many shows possible as my allowance/jobs would allow. My music tastes were pretty much where there are now before I was 20.
	11:20pm Dean: Yeah, well, I was anticipating Dead shows and Beethoven piano sonatas even as my parents were preparing to conceive me.
	11:21pm Little Danny: Mine too, NGH. Even while I'm still constantly finding whole new-to-me styles and sounds, the aesthetic that formed in my teens guides my appreciation
	11:25pm Franco Twinkie: I developed my unerring taste in music by coming straight home from school and listing to records or the radio until I went to bed, and then getting up in the middle of the night to lay on the living room floor and listen to more music.
	11:26pm Funky16Corners: The importance of listening to the radio late at night, under the covers until you fall asleep cannot be understated.
	11:26pm coelacanth∅: my parents, in one of countless seemingly contradictions, gathered the whole family in the living room -probably almost once/week? -to sing along with records. first it was peter paul & mary (2 albums) then Harry Belafonte's "calypso" then "bob nick jon" by the kingston trio...then meet the beatles...which blew my doors off. according to my older sister i knew all the words to meet the beatles when i was 5.
	11:26pm Franco Twinkie: And to this day, that's the way Chresti and I live - music, music, music.
	11:27pm doctorjazz: Think my tastes have changed much over the years...the constant was always wanting to check out/explore new stuff.
	11:27pm Little Danny: LOL Dean you're so Dean. When did classical music actually draw you in? It was 90% of what my parents listened to but curiously I've never gotten obsessed with it in the same way
	11:27pm Erica: That's how I was in my teens, come home from school and listen to music while doing my homework.
	11:28pm Funky16Corners: The only taste you really need is "to seek the new". My ears are voracious and insatiable.
	11:28pm coelacanth∅: (re:11.26) my brother listened to Gene Shepherd on wor-am as we were going to sleep.
	11:28pm Little Danny: Amen Larry
	11:28pm Funky16Corners: I used to listen to Shep when he was on WOR in the 70s.
	11:30pm Franco Twinkie: Erica, I side stepped the homework part....with predictable results.
	11:30pm coelacanth∅: we got busted once when we were (obviously) supposed to be asleep. when my parents realised it was Shep they said okay you can do this.
	11:30pm Funky16Corners: Good parents!
	11:31pm Dean: I can't fathom having tastes solidified during my teens. Surely you can't mean that? The effect of radio was strong and enduring. You'd hear shit and think, "I like that," and then different shit and so, "I like that, too." And you'd have to adjust the reasons you'd considered for liking what you previously liked. I can't imagine having a set aesthetic about anything. Classical music grabbed me around 4 or 5. Think Tchaikovsky music played at Christmas, which for me endures to this day. I wanted to be the conductor. I no longer want to be the conductor, but you get the picture.
	11:31pm coelacanth∅: (as i said -a lot of contradiction)
	11:32pm Dean: (Except Soundgarden. My take on them is set.)
	11:33pm Franco Twinkie: Gene Shepherd only came into my life with The Phantom Of The Open Hearth...which the whole family enjoyed.
	11:33pm Funky16Corners: There was a period when I was in middle school where I listened to WOR from about 4PM to 10PM every day. Bob and Ray when I got home, followed by CBS Mystery Theater, then there was a rotating slot at 8PM, the Shep at 9PM
	11:34pm Dean: I checked out records from the library. Bowie's Space Oddity, the Nonesuch Turkish Village Music (much later), Humble Pie, all sorts of stuff. It sticks with me.
	11:37pm Funky16Corners: Having the availability of music to borrow and experiment listening to is a huge boon to young listeners (or at least being exposed to a big/good record collection)
	11:37pm coelacanth∅: we did the Shep for quite a while; then my brother got a big ol' piece of furniture from the curb during junk week. a stereo console that worked just fine. it shut off automatically at the end of a record so we started going to sleep to Reverberi's first album (all "hip" classical tunes), tubular bells and ...probably Joni Mitchell.
	11:38pm Dean: Man, I loved that Reverberi record...and then I sold it.
	11:38pm Funky16Corners: Ahhh...Tubular Bells...but the side with Viv Stanshall's spoken parts.
	11:40pm Dean: I vividly recall first hearing TB at a rehearsal for a community theater performance on which I was working. This would have been right around the time of its release. I was blown away.
	11:40pm Little Danny: @Dean: "aesthetic" means "aesthetic." The qualities (otherworldly, hypnotic, droning, cavernous, ecstatic, etc.) that drew me to certain songs in my youth still function as my ultimate subconscious guidelines.
	11:41pm doctorjazz: Got into music DESPITE my parents, have to say. They wee European refugees, and the stereo would play The Barry Sisters, The Ray Charles Singers, like that. They sent Me, a 50 lb 10 year old, on 2 busses with a 40 lb accordion to lessons, where I spent an hour every week playing The Anniversary Song (I think...O,how we danced,on the night we were we...). Took a while to recover...
	11:42pm Little Danny: That Gloria Loring was incredible and totally new to me. And what a cool, heavy, head-nodding arrangement on this Sarah Vaughan
	11:42pm coelacanth∅: that turned me onto Chopan (at least) i have my brother's original gatefold album with Reverberi, Chopan, Liszt and Schumann hanging out on a street corner,+ 2 other reissue copies. wouldn't be without it.
	11:43pm Funky16Corners: I was fortunate to grow up in a house where my Pop was a professional musician (piano) and history teacher, with a big collection of classical and jazz records. We were all encouraged to learn and play instruments.
	11:44pm Funky16Corners: @Danny - I have two albums Loring did for Evolution in the late 60s/early 70s that are fantastic. Really interesting choice of material.
	11:45pm Little Danny: Yeah, I'm eyeing them right now on discogs! Richard Davis on bass on her first LP
	11:46pm Little Danny: Great heady mellow groove you got rollin' here by the way, Larry
	11:46pm northguineahills: Almost done w/ the dishes, if I don't get back, thanks Larry!
	11:46pm Funky16Corners: Thanks Danny! Nite NGH!
	11:47pm doctorjazz: Late for me, fun though, thanks Larry!
	11:47pm Dean: Beg to differ, LD. The aesthetic has to do with how we perceive through our senses and, more precisely, how those perceptions contribute to our experiences of the beautiful. We can learn to perceive differently and we can adjust our notion of what is beautiful. Sure, there might be hard-wired preferences, but those don't absolutely determine our opinions.
	11:50pm doctorjazz: Dan!
	11:52pm Dean: Don't get me started on Steely Dan and aesthetics. I just don't want to go there.
	11:52pm Franco Twinkie: When I was 15-16 we would watch The Obscene Steven Clean spin records at KPPC on Chester Street in Pasadena, which was the sister station of KMPX in San Francisco. It was in this place that looked like a dentist office with outside speakers. Kids would hang out in the courtyard smoking and watch Mr. Clean play Jeff Beck records. I decided being a DJ at an underground radio station was one of the higher callings in life.
	11:53pm rw: Hey! Been enjoying the vibe. Thanks F16C! FT. you ever work as an underground DJ?
	11:53pm Funky16Corners: @Franco - It certainly is.
	11:53pm Dean: KPPC or KPCC?
	11:54pm Funky16Corners: hey rw!
	11:54pm Little Danny: @Dean: I sorta agree but still like 95% of the music I like in my mid-'40s adheres, at least abstractly, to an aesthetic that had coalesced in my teens
	11:55pm Little Danny: (Or maybe you're just objecting to my use of the word "aesthetic"?)
	11:55pm Little Danny: Hey doc! And thanks Larry!
	11:56pm Franco Twinkie: KPPC.
	11:57pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Larry! good night all
	11:57pm Franco Twinkie: RW, I've had my moments.
	12:00am Erica: Very nice show. Can't wait for the Marvin show next week. Nite y'all!
	12:00am doctorjazz: Hey Danny!
	12:00am Funky16Corners: Nite all!
	12:00am Franco Twinkie: Good night all.
	12:01am Dean: Not your use of it, but your definition ("aesthetic" means "aesthetic," and all the stuff about "otherworldly," "hypnotic," etc.). There are objective aspects to the aesthetic, e.g., symmetry, balance, number, contrast, etc. It's not all "otherworldy." But even so, I can't fathom WFMU listeners, never mind DJs, not being almost entirely flexible about the next thing that comes around.
	12:01am Funky16Corners: We are a flexible lot. Almost to a fault.
	12:02am rw: have a good evening everyone! Thanks again Larry! Keep stretching!
	12:03am Funky16Corners: Thanks rw!

Testify! with Larry Grogan: Playlist from July 10, 2019

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format
Funky16Corners	Testify! Intro "Testify! Intro" by "Funky16Corners"	Best of Funky16Corners Volume One	Funky16Corners	2017	MP3
Astrud Gilberto	Beginnings "Beginnings" by "Astrud Gilberto"	September 17, 1969	Verve	1970	LP
Kenny Rankin	Peaceful "Peaceful" by "Kenny Rankin"	Mind Dusters	Mercury	1967	LP
Everything Is Everything	Witchi Tai To	45RPM Single	Vanguard Apostolic	1968	45

The Who	Relax "Relax" by "The Who"	The Who Sell Out	Decca	1967	LP
Joni Mitchell	Help Me "Help Me" by "Joni Mitchell"	Court and Spark	Asylum	1974	LP
Joni Mitchell	Don't Interrupt the Sorrow	The Hissing of Summer Lawns	Asylum	1975	LP
Joni Mitchell	Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire	For the Roses	Asylum	1972	LP
Mama Cass	Sweet Believer "Sweet Believer" by "Mama Cass"	Dream a Little Dream	Dunhill	1968	LP
Cass Elliot	Say Hello "Say Hello" by "Cass Elliot"	The Road Is No Place For a Lady	RCA	1972	LP
Jackie Cain and Roy Kral	Open "Open" by "Jackie Cain and Roy Kral"	Grass	Capitol	1968	LP
Guy Pohlman	It Changes "It Changes" by "Guy Pohlman"	Snoopy Come Home OST	Columbia	1972	LP
Diane Hildebrand	Jan's Blues "Jan's Blues" by "Diane Hildebrand"	Early Morning Blues and Greens	Elektra	1968	LP
Evie Sands	Maybe Tomorrow "Maybe Tomorrow" by "Evie Sands"	John and Mary OST	A&M	1969	LP
Claudine Longet	Every Night "Every Night" by "Claudine Longet"	Let's Spend the Night Together	Barnaby	1972	LP
Claudine Longet	Jealous Guy/Don't Let Me Down	Let's Spend the Night Together	Barnaby	1972	LP
The Gordian Knot	Year of the Sun "Year of the Sun" by "The Gordian Knot"	The Gordian Knot	Verve	1968	LP

Biff Rose	The Captain "The Captain" by "Biff Rose"	Biff Rose	Buddah	1970	LP
John Stewart and Buffy Ford	Dark Prairie	Signals Through the Glass	Capitol	1968	LP
David McWilliams	What;s The Matter With Me	The Days of Pearly Spencer	Kapp	1968	LP
Beaver and Krause	Bright Shadows "Bright Shadows" by "Beaver and Krause"	Gandharva	Warner Brothers	1971	LP
Beaver and Krause	By Your Grace "By Your Grace" by "Beaver and Krause"	Gandharva	Warner Brothers	1971	LP
Beaver and Krause	Good Places "Good Places" by "Beaver and Krause"	Gandharva	Warner Brothers	1971	LP
Gloria Loring	Darkness Darkness "Darkness Darkness" by "Gloria Loring"	And Now We Come To Distances	Evolution	1969	LP
Sarah Vaughan	That's The Way I Always Heard It Should Be	A Time In My Life	Mainstream	1971	LP
Brian Auger's Oblivian Express	Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler)	Closer To It	RCA	1973	LP
Steely Dan	Third World Man "Third World Man" by "Steely Dan"	Gaucho	MCA	1980	LP

Rex Garvin and the Mighty Cravers	I Gotta Go Now (Up on the Floor)	45RPM Single	Like	1966	45

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Listener comments!
	10:00pm Gary: Larry!
	10:00pm Funky16Corners: Gary!
	10:01pm Franco Twinkie: Hi Larry!
	10:01pm coelacanth∅: Larry! Gary! future others!
	10:01pm coelacanth∅: franco!
	10:01pm Funky16Corners: Franco! C!
	10:01pm fleep: Gary Larry Franco coela future others!
	10:01pm doctorjazz: Back from the future.
	10:02pm chresti: Hi Larry and testifiers!
	10:02pm Funky16Corners: Fleep! Doc! Chresti!
	10:03pm Erica: Astrud covering Chicago. Wow.
	10:03pm northguineahills: Astrud w/ Joao?
	10:03pm Funky16Corners: Hi Erica! NGH!
	10:03pm Funky16Corners: No Joao on this one.
	10:05pm Jeff Ash: Late to the party, but reporting for duty from steamy, sultry Wisconsin.
	10:05pm Funky16Corners: Hey Jeff!
	10:06pm Erica: You're just in time Jeff.
	10:06pm northguineahills: Is their a track w/ Bebel, Astud, and Joao?
	10:06pm Franco Twinkie: Mosquito bites and ice cream cones in your lap.
	10:07pm Matt from New Orleans: I’ve always enjoyed this cover Larry. Heard it elsewhere not that long ago.
	10:07pm coelacanth∅: (fashionably late, and earlier than i when i'm late)
	10:07pm Funky16Corners: NGH - I don't think so. Bebel is Joao's daughter by his second wife.
	10:07pm Matt from New Orleans: Hi everyone
	10:07pm Funky16Corners: Hey Matt!
	10:07pm Funky16Corners: Here comes the breakdown with Airto
	10:08pm coelacanth∅: hey Matt!
	10:10pm Erica: I just heard this Kenny Rankin song not long ago.
	10:11pm Funky16Corners: It was covered a bunch of times. A hit in England for Georgie Fame and here for Helen Reddy
	10:11pm Matt from New Orleans: If you’ve never visited the aggressively pink website of Astrud, it’s like visiting the internet of my teens. astrudgilberto.com
	10:11pm Funky16Corners: This is a really good album if you come across it
	10:12pm doctorjazz: Know this song, but not sure I know the rankin version
	10:12pm Funky16Corners: @Matt - Wow! that;s OLD SCHOOL
	10:13pm Funky16Corners: @Doc - Rankin's is the original. It was covered by Bobbie Gentry the same year
	10:14pm doctorjazz: Definitely not one of the. witchi Tai versions I know.
	10:15pm coelacanth∅: it's not pink on this laptop, just an extremely subtle hint of violet, with violet/mauve print
	10:16pm coelacanth∅: i think i've never heard "peaceful", original or otherwise.
	10:17pm Matt from New Orleans: You should change your name to Pantone C
	10:20pm doctorjazz: The Petra Haden version of "...Sell Out" is just great! (The original ain't bad either)
	10:21pm doctorjazz: And love this Joni album!
	10:22pm Funky16Corners: @Doc - Yes! The Petra Haden version is wonderful!.
	10:22pm Erica: Me too doc. It's has that soft rock 70s sound I like.
	10:23pm Erica: I was confused to hear this song here.
	10:24pm Funky16Corners: Which one?
	10:25pm Erica: "Help Me"
	10:26pm doctorjazz: Joni expanding her jazz chops.
	10:26pm Funky16Corners: Yeah, love Joni. @Erica - I've played Joni on the show before.
	10:27pm Funky16Corners: @Doc - The string of albums in the 70s are just amazing. Some of my favorites.
	10:27pm Franco Twinkie: When Help Me came out I saw Joni and The LA Express at the Anaheim Convention Center, a building that I kid you not, looks like a flying saucer. The crushed velvet and patched denim crowd was out in force that night.
	10:29pm Funky16Corners: I can imagine! I only saw her once, around 1985. Great show.
	10:30pm Matt from New Orleans: Franco more than the Hampton Coliseum in Hampton, VA?
	10:31pm Funky16Corners: The Garden State Arts Center is pretty UFO-esque
	10:31pm Funky16Corners: Which is where i saw Joni...coincidence?!?
	10:38pm Funky16Corners: Where's Dean? He put me onto this version.
	10:38pm Matt from New Orleans: I’m put my devices down and will continue to listen. Have a great night everyone. Thanks Larry. I’ve enjoyed the mood you’re setting and the tunes so far.
	10:38pm Funky16Corners: Nite Matt!
	10:39pm Erica: Goodnight and enjoy Matt!
	10:40pm Franco Twinkie: I was stoned in the back seat of a Buick Riviera going down The Sunset Strip on a rainy night when we saw the billboard of For The Roses. The girl sitting nest to me said "I saw her at The Dorothy Chandler Pavillion."I knew nothing about Joni Mitchell. The next year, she's the one who would take me to the flying saucer.
	10:41pm coelacanth∅: i might've seen Joni Mitchell at an anti-nukes rally when shithead reagan was in office, but i don't remember much of that. apparently i saw a lot of "big" performers.
	10:45pm Erica: "You got a used dog Charlie Brown."
	10:46pm Funky16Corners: Nooooo dogs allowed....
	10:46pm Dean: I love that she worked with Jaco Pastorius et al., but otherwise I'm not a big Joni fan. I'm thinking one of my high school English teacher's gave me a bad vibe about touchy-feely-folky stuff.
	10:47pm Funky16Corners: Oh, I think after 1971 or so she's much more than that.
	10:48pm chresti: love swirly strings
	10:49pm Funky16Corners: Me too, Chresti. I wonder who the first person was to put that sound together, whether in an orchestra or a pop song?
	10:49pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, She was much more than that. But seriously, the girls who were into Joni...
	10:51pm Dean: Cripes, ^teachers (plural). Yeah, just doesn't grab me. I enjoy hearing it now and then, mostly to embrace the nostalgia. But on balance, no.
	10:56pm chresti: I know Blue, and the jazzy one that has Help Me on it. I was visiting a friend in Stockton who played it while driving around
	10:57pm coelacanth∅: my older brother had ladies of the canyon, which he maybe got because it had "woodstock" on it and, like me, he liked to get to the source...but in 10th grade i became surrounded by "flowerchildren" girls so -it was inevitable. blue and court and spark were the ones they brought over. (then i got a bunch of others)
	10:57pm doctorjazz: I always liked how Joni created her own guitar style/sound with those big open tunings, sorry of like Richie Havens (but sounding nothing like Richie Havens). Sounded like no one else. (Nice cover here).
	10:57pm Dean: I knew guys who were into her, not so much girls. This is one of those utterly personal, subjective things. Lotsa people can't stomach Mozart, and I understand how that can be. Ultimately, I am fascinated by Mozart, less so by Mitchell.
	10:58pm Funky16Corners: Yeah, I love Joni deeply, but I know people that O respect that can't deal with her voice or overall style.
	10:58pm northguineahills: Haven't heard this cover, and I dig Claudine Longet!
	10:59pm Funky16Corners: @NGH - This whole album is pretty good
	10:59pm doctorjazz: Don't know this Longet album, titled for a Stones tune, but we're hearing Beatles.
	11:00pm Franco Twinkie: I've had to rearrange my insufferable know-it-all rock music mind many times. Joni Mitchell is a great early example of someone going "check this out" and me going "Whaa!?!"
	11:01pm Dean: I'll interject a release valve. I felt the same way about Jethro Tull for y-e-a-r-s. Then suddenly one day I got them (the early stuff, I mean). Could happen with Joni, too. I remain interested in her, which is a sign that I haven't given up. (Compare Gary's show and Soundgarden, in whom I had and have and will always have zero interest.)
	11:04pm Erica: What is that about the new shows? Sorry Larry my internet cut out.
	11:04pm doctorjazz: Love Tull until Aqualung, saw them on that tour. A few songs on Jini's Blue can knock me over (A Case Of You, California). So I'm sappy...
	11:06pm northguineahills: Wow, you listened to music at age 11? I didn't start until age 16 (I was more into books).
	11:09pm doctorjazz: I got a transistor radio when I was 12, and was hooked on music.
	11:10pm Little Danny: Hey Larry, hey all. Stoked to catch this live
	11:10pm doctorjazz: Strapped it to my bike handle, took it to bed, listened as much as I could.
	11:10pm Franco Twinkie: Off topic: Gary Duncan R.I.P.
	11:11pm Dean: Shoot, I was listening to music from, I dunno, age 4 or 5. Avidly. Beatles, Rick Nelson, Monkees, later Hair ST, classical, and then Medieval and Renaissance recitals. Music was ubiquitous. My mom and dad had great LPs and 45s. I dug in.
	11:13pm Jeff Ash: FWIW, Evie Sands turns 73 a week from tomorrow.
	11:14pm Franco Twinkie: Claudine got off and wound up marrying her defence council.
	11:15pm Funky16Corners: Hey Danny!
	11:15pm Little Danny: Music was never not playing growing up in my family, but my tastes were developing independently as far back as I remember - age 3 or 4
	11:16pm Funky16Corners: NGH - I was listening to AM radio pretty intently from the time was was 6 or 7, thanks to a visit with some older cousins. I don't think I started collecting records until I was 12, but my ears were wide open.
	11:17pm Funky16Corners: @Jeff - I think Evie is still performing, too!
	11:17pm Little Danny: Cool, understated LP, this Stewart & Ford! "Holly on My Mind" is an all-time fave
	11:18pm Funky16Corners: @Danny - Yes indeed. A nice companion piece to John's California Bloodlines
	11:19pm northguineahills: Like everything nerdlling endeavor I've done, I jumped in head first and researched everything and saw as many shows possible as my allowance/jobs would allow. My music tastes were pretty much where there are now before I was 20.
	11:20pm Dean: Yeah, well, I was anticipating Dead shows and Beethoven piano sonatas even as my parents were preparing to conceive me.
	11:21pm Little Danny: Mine too, NGH. Even while I'm still constantly finding whole new-to-me styles and sounds, the aesthetic that formed in my teens guides my appreciation
	11:25pm Franco Twinkie: I developed my unerring taste in music by coming straight home from school and listing to records or the radio until I went to bed, and then getting up in the middle of the night to lay on the living room floor and listen to more music.
	11:26pm Funky16Corners: The importance of listening to the radio late at night, under the covers until you fall asleep cannot be understated.
	11:26pm coelacanth∅: my parents, in one of countless seemingly contradictions, gathered the whole family in the living room -probably almost once/week? -to sing along with records. first it was peter paul & mary (2 albums) then Harry Belafonte's "calypso" then "bob nick jon" by the kingston trio...then meet the beatles...which blew my doors off. according to my older sister i knew all the words to meet the beatles when i was 5.
	11:26pm Franco Twinkie: And to this day, that's the way Chresti and I live - music, music, music.
	11:27pm doctorjazz: Think my tastes have changed much over the years...the constant was always wanting to check out/explore new stuff.
	11:27pm Little Danny: LOL Dean you're so Dean. When did classical music actually draw you in? It was 90% of what my parents listened to but curiously I've never gotten obsessed with it in the same way
	11:27pm Erica: That's how I was in my teens, come home from school and listen to music while doing my homework.
	11:28pm Funky16Corners: The only taste you really need is "to seek the new". My ears are voracious and insatiable.
	11:28pm coelacanth∅: (re:11.26) my brother listened to Gene Shepherd on wor-am as we were going to sleep.
	11:28pm Little Danny: Amen Larry
	11:28pm Funky16Corners: I used to listen to Shep when he was on WOR in the 70s.
	11:30pm Franco Twinkie: Erica, I side stepped the homework part....with predictable results.
	11:30pm coelacanth∅: we got busted once when we were (obviously) supposed to be asleep. when my parents realised it was Shep they said okay you can do this.
	11:30pm Funky16Corners: Good parents!
	11:31pm Dean: I can't fathom having tastes solidified during my teens. Surely you can't mean that? The effect of radio was strong and enduring. You'd hear shit and think, "I like that," and then different shit and so, "I like that, too." And you'd have to adjust the reasons you'd considered for liking what you previously liked. I can't imagine having a set aesthetic about anything. Classical music grabbed me around 4 or 5. Think Tchaikovsky music played at Christmas, which for me endures to this day. I wanted to be the conductor. I no longer want to be the conductor, but you get the picture.
	11:31pm coelacanth∅: (as i said -a lot of contradiction)
	11:32pm Dean: (Except Soundgarden. My take on them is set.)
	11:33pm Franco Twinkie: Gene Shepherd only came into my life with The Phantom Of The Open Hearth...which the whole family enjoyed.
	11:33pm Funky16Corners: There was a period when I was in middle school where I listened to WOR from about 4PM to 10PM every day. Bob and Ray when I got home, followed by CBS Mystery Theater, then there was a rotating slot at 8PM, the Shep at 9PM
	11:34pm Dean: I checked out records from the library. Bowie's Space Oddity, the Nonesuch Turkish Village Music (much later), Humble Pie, all sorts of stuff. It sticks with me.
	11:37pm Funky16Corners: Having the availability of music to borrow and experiment listening to is a huge boon to young listeners (or at least being exposed to a big/good record collection)
	11:37pm coelacanth∅: we did the Shep for quite a while; then my brother got a big ol' piece of furniture from the curb during junk week. a stereo console that worked just fine. it shut off automatically at the end of a record so we started going to sleep to Reverberi's first album (all "hip" classical tunes), tubular bells and ...probably Joni Mitchell.
	11:38pm Dean: Man, I loved that Reverberi record...and then I sold it.
	11:38pm Funky16Corners: Ahhh...Tubular Bells...but the side with Viv Stanshall's spoken parts.
	11:40pm Dean: I vividly recall first hearing TB at a rehearsal for a community theater performance on which I was working. This would have been right around the time of its release. I was blown away.
	11:40pm Little Danny: @Dean: "aesthetic" means "aesthetic." The qualities (otherworldly, hypnotic, droning, cavernous, ecstatic, etc.) that drew me to certain songs in my youth still function as my ultimate subconscious guidelines.
	11:41pm doctorjazz: Got into music DESPITE my parents, have to say. They wee European refugees, and the stereo would play The Barry Sisters, The Ray Charles Singers, like that. They sent Me, a 50 lb 10 year old, on 2 busses with a 40 lb accordion to lessons, where I spent an hour every week playing The Anniversary Song (I think...O,how we danced,on the night we were we...). Took a while to recover...
	11:42pm Little Danny: That Gloria Loring was incredible and totally new to me. And what a cool, heavy, head-nodding arrangement on this Sarah Vaughan
	11:42pm coelacanth∅: that turned me onto Chopan (at least) i have my brother's original gatefold album with Reverberi, Chopan, Liszt and Schumann hanging out on a street corner,+ 2 other reissue copies. wouldn't be without it.
	11:43pm Funky16Corners: I was fortunate to grow up in a house where my Pop was a professional musician (piano) and history teacher, with a big collection of classical and jazz records. We were all encouraged to learn and play instruments.
	11:44pm Funky16Corners: @Danny - I have two albums Loring did for Evolution in the late 60s/early 70s that are fantastic. Really interesting choice of material.
	11:45pm Little Danny: Yeah, I'm eyeing them right now on discogs! Richard Davis on bass on her first LP
	11:46pm Little Danny: Great heady mellow groove you got rollin' here by the way, Larry
	11:46pm northguineahills: Almost done w/ the dishes, if I don't get back, thanks Larry!
	11:46pm Funky16Corners: Thanks Danny! Nite NGH!
	11:47pm doctorjazz: Late for me, fun though, thanks Larry!
	11:47pm Dean: Beg to differ, LD. The aesthetic has to do with how we perceive through our senses and, more precisely, how those perceptions contribute to our experiences of the beautiful. We can learn to perceive differently and we can adjust our notion of what is beautiful. Sure, there might be hard-wired preferences, but those don't absolutely determine our opinions.
	11:50pm doctorjazz: Dan!
	11:52pm Dean: Don't get me started on Steely Dan and aesthetics. I just don't want to go there.
	11:52pm Franco Twinkie: When I was 15-16 we would watch The Obscene Steven Clean spin records at KPPC on Chester Street in Pasadena, which was the sister station of KMPX in San Francisco. It was in this place that looked like a dentist office with outside speakers. Kids would hang out in the courtyard smoking and watch Mr. Clean play Jeff Beck records. I decided being a DJ at an underground radio station was one of the higher callings in life.
	11:53pm rw: Hey! Been enjoying the vibe. Thanks F16C! FT. you ever work as an underground DJ?
	11:53pm Funky16Corners: @Franco - It certainly is.
	11:53pm Dean: KPPC or KPCC?
	11:54pm Funky16Corners: hey rw!
	11:54pm Little Danny: @Dean: I sorta agree but still like 95% of the music I like in my mid-'40s adheres, at least abstractly, to an aesthetic that had coalesced in my teens
	11:55pm Little Danny: (Or maybe you're just objecting to my use of the word "aesthetic"?)
	11:55pm Little Danny: Hey doc! And thanks Larry!
	11:56pm Franco Twinkie: KPPC.
	11:57pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Larry! good night all
	11:57pm Franco Twinkie: RW, I've had my moments.
	12:00am Erica: Very nice show. Can't wait for the Marvin show next week. Nite y'all!
	12:00am doctorjazz: Hey Danny!
	12:00am Funky16Corners: Nite all!
	12:00am Franco Twinkie: Good night all.
	12:01am Dean: Not your use of it, but your definition ("aesthetic" means "aesthetic," and all the stuff about "otherworldly," "hypnotic," etc.). There are objective aspects to the aesthetic, e.g., symmetry, balance, number, contrast, etc. It's not all "otherworldy." But even so, I can't fathom WFMU listeners, never mind DJs, not being almost entirely flexible about the next thing that comes around.
	12:01am Funky16Corners: We are a flexible lot. Almost to a fault.
	12:02am rw: have a good evening everyone! Thanks again Larry! Keep stretching!
	12:03am Funky16Corners: Thanks rw!

Testify! with Larry Grogan: Playlist from July 10, 2019

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