WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 18, 2017

Listener comments!
	6:01pm Jeff: Oh, look! The podcast is all hooked up.
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark, I'm eager to hear what you play!
	6:03pm JakeGould: @WebmasterHenry: Excruciating Grindcore for 60 minutes straight.
	6:03pm melinda: Hi all!
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: If it's generated by AI, OK !
	6:04pm -Ken: hi all!
	6:05pm Switchblade Batman: Am I the only one that was "meh" about the iPhone X?
	6:05pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all! If I need to perform a tracheotomy with my mobile, I know which upgrade path to take!
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: The famous old story was that in Soviet Russia, in order to fulfill aspects of the five year plan, tractor parts were made of Surgical Steel so that enough would get ordered. Or word to that effect.
	6:06pm Art: I'm "meh" about any fabulous product roll-out, especially if it's Apple.
	6:07pm Fox (Rā-chul): Apple has a habit of introducing new features and groundbreaking, while they've been used by the PC market for years. Like "Time Machine".
	6:07pm Switchblade Batman: Hi @-Ken! So sorry about your loss w/ W. Berger
	6:07pm steve: wow I thought the pay with your face thing was a joke
	6:08pm Switchblade Batman: @Art, I miss the days when these announcements were really SOMETHING. Like something brand new and out of the gate. the iPhone X is basically a shinier version of older iPhones
	6:08pm melinda: Face scan is creepy.
	🤖 6:08pm Webhamster Henry: Never use you real face for social media icons, people. If you can avoid your real name, do that too.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: This "Stick on our site" attitude goes way back - my ex wife worked for a publishing company's AOL presence and she had to run chats and contests to attract and hold eyeballs. It drove her nuts!
	6:16pm listener james from westwood: IIRC they can log such returns as unique engagements for ad-selling headcount purposes but I don't recall if I have those details right. Sounds like something they'd do.
	🤖 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: WFMU's trick to hold eyeballs: irresistible ad-free musical/auditory programming combined with interactive social chat/communication options.
	6:23pm -Ken: socialcooling.com
	6:24pm listener james from westwood: Sweet fancy Moses, that FB draft-tracking thing!
	6:28pm Fuzzy: Fuck the Zuck.
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: Some sites interested in optimal design at large scales use mouse tracking to create "heat maps" of how each page is used so they can put heavily used buttons where they can be seen, etc. and tell what colors, fonts, and imagery is most attractive.
	6:28pm -Ken: 201-209-9368 is the number for calling in
	6:30pm Jeff: Lessee what's new about the iPhone X: OLED screen? Definitely a desirable feature. My last two Android phones have had that. No home button? Makes sense not to waste front real estate on that. Haven't had any physical front UI buttons on my Android phones for many years. I haven't looked up how Apple will have to change the iOS UI to support that, but probably a step in the right direction. Edge to edge, top to bottom front is all screen? My Pixel XL has a little bit of non-display real estate top and bottom, so as long as the full-device screen doesn't make the device harder to handle, a win for the iPhone X. I think some Samsung devices may already have full-front screens. Face recognition? It's been an optional convenience unlock method on some Android phones for years, but hasn't been recommended as truly secure (partly because it could probably be fooled by a photo). Apple's new face unlock thing apparently includes a 3D/depth component, which if it works should make it more secure. If you think face unlock in general is a good idea.
	🤖 6:31pm cosmic matrix: and then there are the ROBOTS
	6:32pm Fuzzy: Love the iHugger pic.
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: If you need to use FB Messenger from their browser-based interface, which is blocked from the mobile version of the FB Webapp, just do a long touch on the refresh button, and it'll load the real desktop version of Facebook, where you can use Messenger. Don't forget to clear your cookies!
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: So you don't have to install FB Messenger on the phone (or the FB app).
	6:34pm Jeff: Good tip, Henry! Because nobody should ever install Facebook Messenger.
	🤖 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: @Jeff and I know to post on G+ instead, where nobody will read it.
	6:36pm Jeff: Single glistening tear.
	6:36pm Switchblade Batman: Oh god, I don't even want to think about the tinder rejections. So so many.
	6:38pm Fox (Rā-chul): Hi Bennett!!
	6:40pm Jeff: Yeah - on the subject of Facebook "friends" - in real life, I explicitly categorize a few people I've known for decades and happily meet for drinks as acquaintances, not friends. It's a matter of the level of trust and sharing.
	6:40pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Most people who think they understand what's being tracked and analyzed about themselves when interacting with social media sites, don't actually. So it's not as easy to censor yourself as one might think.
	6:42pm coleusound: we have all been zuckerflammed
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: "I Hate the News" by Aaron Swartz - www.aaronsw.com...
	6:46pm Art: for some thoughts on the near future of FB and augmented reality, search the web for Counterpunch article: "The Matrix Around the Next Bend: Facebook, Augmented Reality, and the Podification of the Populace"
	6:47pm steve: i deactivated my facebook a year ago (after being on and checking in daily for 6+ years) and in retrospect have no clue what it ever added to my life
	6:47pm matt: So just call it "Mark's Creep of the Week on WFMU" (great show btw)
	6:49pm listener james from westwood: I read this story as "Tesla Has Car Kill Switch."
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: Yes, tracking can work the way I crack Vigenere ciphers, since English diphones have enough redundancy to be able to reconstruct words by their statistical properties alone. There can be a profile of a statistical you that can be accurate enough to know to sell / not to sell you some things and when.
	6:50pm Switchblade Batman: We're WFMU listeners. None of us own Teslas
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: Something is blowing my bike tires regularly though!
	6:50pm melinda: @James yeah. Creepy.
	6:51pm steve: i love the I Hate The News article
	6:51pm Switchblade Batman: I need a new bike :( my last one tried to murder me.
	6:51pm listener james from westwood: I'd had a wake-up on what can be done to a car's electronics when I proofread a tech book on penetration-testing/hacking automotive electronics. Whoa.
	6:51pm Natalie: even worse than the tesla thing, look at this article about smart IVs in hospitals and the potential for them getting hacked: https://twitter.com/gizmodo/status/909415155221630981
	6:52pm -Ken: @switchblade I own a Prius and Toyota could do similar things
	6:53pm Jeff: There could be a bad reason (retaining the ability to upsell based on a firmware change) or a good reason (avoiding battery damage from running the charge down too far) for setting a limit on how much juice a car is allowed to use from a charge. As for how creepy it is that there's the remote communication and ability to change the cars' performance... I dunno how aware Tesla car owners are made of that setup ahead of time.
	6:53pm common: I hate technology
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: Do new Priuses have downloadable firmware like Teslas?
	6:54pm Aaron Working In Newark: JZMY
	6:54pm Switchblade Batman: Yeah, downloadable firmware has been a thing since the 90s. I heard a story about Saturn Techs that updated firmware on their electric cars
	6:54pm Jeff: Torbjörn!
	6:54pm steve: im with you common!
	6:55pm JakeGould: @Jeff: Tesla is clear on why they did it; it was not a battery load issue at all: “Starting in 2016, Tesla produced a run of Model S and X cars equipped with battery packs built to have 75 kilowatt-hours of capacity but constrained by software to have access to only 60 to 70 kilowatt-hours of power. The company began producing cars this way to streamline manufacturing; it could produce the same type of battery but provide different price points, charging customers up to $9,500 for an upgrade to full capacity.” www.nytimes.com...
	🤖 6:55pm Ken From Hyde Park: From what I understand of Tesla, it's an issue of battery life. Normally, they declare you're out of range when the battery is down to 25% of capacity, for example. If you let the battery drain all the way down to 0% consistently, the battery wears out. For the hurricane, they let the battery go down to, say, 15%.
	6:55pm Switchblade Batman: @-Ken, my point remains. But I have mixed feelings about controlling distance w/ firmware. I could see it for safety reasons.
	6:56pm Jeff: @JakeGould: so, just like the classic IBM mainframe computer upgrade story...
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: @Jeff, I was literally typing the same thing!
	6:57pm Fox (Rā-chul): Hi Torbjörn!
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: "Don't clip this resistor, the machine will run at twice the speed!"
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: John Deere (article may be dated): www.wired.com...
	6:58pm YETI BOB: also from the nytimes: "Tesla has since stopped offering the software-limited batteries."
	6:58pm Fox (Rā-chul): There was an old scifi radio show, clearly fearing the possibility of communism, in which the highways themselves were mechanized and cars were propelled by the force of the road. The highway unions protested for more money, and all the roads stopped. This Tesla story is like the "beware capitalism" version of the same story.
	6:58pm JakeGould: @Jeff: Do you remember the first PowerMac G3s? They had jumpers on the board. So you could buy a 233Ghz, 266Ghz or 300Ghz. The price gap was huge. But you could buy a 233 and make it a 266 safely with just one jumper switch. Et voila!
	🤖 6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Fox (Rā-chul): Ken: I was thinking of Deere as well.
	6:59pm BennettCap: @Rachel Hi! @Jeff I thought we were friends. Nnot I wonder.
	6:59pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Linux Tractors great band name! nice show, thanks Mark : )
	6:59pm melinda: @common haha
	6:59pm Jeff: "The Roads Must Roll" - Heinlein
	7:00pm Torbjørn: Hey jeff and Fox. Very interesting program we've got here, looking forward to next episode. The best part of tech and cars, IMHO, was the massive Jeep vulnerability. Movie-level exploits available: https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Nice show - I should come down for Skeptech II!
	7:02pm Jeff: @Torbjørn: Oh, poop - I got your "ø" wrong.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 18, 2017

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Listener comments!
	6:01pm Jeff: Oh, look! The podcast is all hooked up.
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark, I'm eager to hear what you play!
	6:03pm JakeGould: @WebmasterHenry: Excruciating Grindcore for 60 minutes straight.
	6:03pm melinda: Hi all!
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: If it's generated by AI, OK !
	6:04pm -Ken: hi all!
	6:05pm Switchblade Batman: Am I the only one that was "meh" about the iPhone X?
	6:05pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all! If I need to perform a tracheotomy with my mobile, I know which upgrade path to take!
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: The famous old story was that in Soviet Russia, in order to fulfill aspects of the five year plan, tractor parts were made of Surgical Steel so that enough would get ordered. Or word to that effect.
	6:06pm Art: I'm "meh" about any fabulous product roll-out, especially if it's Apple.
	6:07pm Fox (Rā-chul): Apple has a habit of introducing new features and groundbreaking, while they've been used by the PC market for years. Like "Time Machine".
	6:07pm Switchblade Batman: Hi @-Ken! So sorry about your loss w/ W. Berger
	6:07pm steve: wow I thought the pay with your face thing was a joke
	6:08pm Switchblade Batman: @Art, I miss the days when these announcements were really SOMETHING. Like something brand new and out of the gate. the iPhone X is basically a shinier version of older iPhones
	6:08pm melinda: Face scan is creepy.
	🤖 6:08pm Webhamster Henry: Never use you real face for social media icons, people. If you can avoid your real name, do that too.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: This "Stick on our site" attitude goes way back - my ex wife worked for a publishing company's AOL presence and she had to run chats and contests to attract and hold eyeballs. It drove her nuts!
	6:16pm listener james from westwood: IIRC they can log such returns as unique engagements for ad-selling headcount purposes but I don't recall if I have those details right. Sounds like something they'd do.
	🤖 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: WFMU's trick to hold eyeballs: irresistible ad-free musical/auditory programming combined with interactive social chat/communication options.
	6:23pm -Ken: socialcooling.com
	6:24pm listener james from westwood: Sweet fancy Moses, that FB draft-tracking thing!
	6:28pm Fuzzy: Fuck the Zuck.
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: Some sites interested in optimal design at large scales use mouse tracking to create "heat maps" of how each page is used so they can put heavily used buttons where they can be seen, etc. and tell what colors, fonts, and imagery is most attractive.
	6:28pm -Ken: 201-209-9368 is the number for calling in
	6:30pm Jeff: Lessee what's new about the iPhone X: OLED screen? Definitely a desirable feature. My last two Android phones have had that. No home button? Makes sense not to waste front real estate on that. Haven't had any physical front UI buttons on my Android phones for many years. I haven't looked up how Apple will have to change the iOS UI to support that, but probably a step in the right direction. Edge to edge, top to bottom front is all screen? My Pixel XL has a little bit of non-display real estate top and bottom, so as long as the full-device screen doesn't make the device harder to handle, a win for the iPhone X. I think some Samsung devices may already have full-front screens. Face recognition? It's been an optional convenience unlock method on some Android phones for years, but hasn't been recommended as truly secure (partly because it could probably be fooled by a photo). Apple's new face unlock thing apparently includes a 3D/depth component, which if it works should make it more secure. If you think face unlock in general is a good idea.
	🤖 6:31pm cosmic matrix: and then there are the ROBOTS
	6:32pm Fuzzy: Love the iHugger pic.
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: If you need to use FB Messenger from their browser-based interface, which is blocked from the mobile version of the FB Webapp, just do a long touch on the refresh button, and it'll load the real desktop version of Facebook, where you can use Messenger. Don't forget to clear your cookies!
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: So you don't have to install FB Messenger on the phone (or the FB app).
	6:34pm Jeff: Good tip, Henry! Because nobody should ever install Facebook Messenger.
	🤖 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: @Jeff and I know to post on G+ instead, where nobody will read it.
	6:36pm Jeff: Single glistening tear.
	6:36pm Switchblade Batman: Oh god, I don't even want to think about the tinder rejections. So so many.
	6:38pm Fox (Rā-chul): Hi Bennett!!
	6:40pm Jeff: Yeah - on the subject of Facebook "friends" - in real life, I explicitly categorize a few people I've known for decades and happily meet for drinks as acquaintances, not friends. It's a matter of the level of trust and sharing.
	6:40pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Most people who think they understand what's being tracked and analyzed about themselves when interacting with social media sites, don't actually. So it's not as easy to censor yourself as one might think.
	6:42pm coleusound: we have all been zuckerflammed
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: "I Hate the News" by Aaron Swartz - www.aaronsw.com...
	6:46pm Art: for some thoughts on the near future of FB and augmented reality, search the web for Counterpunch article: "The Matrix Around the Next Bend: Facebook, Augmented Reality, and the Podification of the Populace"
	6:47pm steve: i deactivated my facebook a year ago (after being on and checking in daily for 6+ years) and in retrospect have no clue what it ever added to my life
	6:47pm matt: So just call it "Mark's Creep of the Week on WFMU" (great show btw)
	6:49pm listener james from westwood: I read this story as "Tesla Has Car Kill Switch."
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: Yes, tracking can work the way I crack Vigenere ciphers, since English diphones have enough redundancy to be able to reconstruct words by their statistical properties alone. There can be a profile of a statistical you that can be accurate enough to know to sell / not to sell you some things and when.
	6:50pm Switchblade Batman: We're WFMU listeners. None of us own Teslas
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: Something is blowing my bike tires regularly though!
	6:50pm melinda: @James yeah. Creepy.
	6:51pm steve: i love the I Hate The News article
	6:51pm Switchblade Batman: I need a new bike :( my last one tried to murder me.
	6:51pm listener james from westwood: I'd had a wake-up on what can be done to a car's electronics when I proofread a tech book on penetration-testing/hacking automotive electronics. Whoa.
	6:51pm Natalie: even worse than the tesla thing, look at this article about smart IVs in hospitals and the potential for them getting hacked: https://twitter.com/gizmodo/status/909415155221630981
	6:52pm -Ken: @switchblade I own a Prius and Toyota could do similar things
	6:53pm Jeff: There could be a bad reason (retaining the ability to upsell based on a firmware change) or a good reason (avoiding battery damage from running the charge down too far) for setting a limit on how much juice a car is allowed to use from a charge. As for how creepy it is that there's the remote communication and ability to change the cars' performance... I dunno how aware Tesla car owners are made of that setup ahead of time.
	6:53pm common: I hate technology
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: Do new Priuses have downloadable firmware like Teslas?
	6:54pm Aaron Working In Newark: JZMY
	6:54pm Switchblade Batman: Yeah, downloadable firmware has been a thing since the 90s. I heard a story about Saturn Techs that updated firmware on their electric cars
	6:54pm Jeff: Torbjörn!
	6:54pm steve: im with you common!
	6:55pm JakeGould: @Jeff: Tesla is clear on why they did it; it was not a battery load issue at all: “Starting in 2016, Tesla produced a run of Model S and X cars equipped with battery packs built to have 75 kilowatt-hours of capacity but constrained by software to have access to only 60 to 70 kilowatt-hours of power. The company began producing cars this way to streamline manufacturing; it could produce the same type of battery but provide different price points, charging customers up to $9,500 for an upgrade to full capacity.” www.nytimes.com...
	🤖 6:55pm Ken From Hyde Park: From what I understand of Tesla, it's an issue of battery life. Normally, they declare you're out of range when the battery is down to 25% of capacity, for example. If you let the battery drain all the way down to 0% consistently, the battery wears out. For the hurricane, they let the battery go down to, say, 15%.
	6:55pm Switchblade Batman: @-Ken, my point remains. But I have mixed feelings about controlling distance w/ firmware. I could see it for safety reasons.
	6:56pm Jeff: @JakeGould: so, just like the classic IBM mainframe computer upgrade story...
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: @Jeff, I was literally typing the same thing!
	6:57pm Fox (Rā-chul): Hi Torbjörn!
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: "Don't clip this resistor, the machine will run at twice the speed!"
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: John Deere (article may be dated): www.wired.com...
	6:58pm YETI BOB: also from the nytimes: "Tesla has since stopped offering the software-limited batteries."
	6:58pm Fox (Rā-chul): There was an old scifi radio show, clearly fearing the possibility of communism, in which the highways themselves were mechanized and cars were propelled by the force of the road. The highway unions protested for more money, and all the roads stopped. This Tesla story is like the "beware capitalism" version of the same story.
	6:58pm JakeGould: @Jeff: Do you remember the first PowerMac G3s? They had jumpers on the board. So you could buy a 233Ghz, 266Ghz or 300Ghz. The price gap was huge. But you could buy a 233 and make it a 266 safely with just one jumper switch. Et voila!
	🤖 6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Fox (Rā-chul): Ken: I was thinking of Deere as well.
	6:59pm BennettCap: @Rachel Hi! @Jeff I thought we were friends. Nnot I wonder.
	6:59pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Linux Tractors great band name! nice show, thanks Mark : )
	6:59pm melinda: @common haha
	6:59pm Jeff: "The Roads Must Roll" - Heinlein
	7:00pm Torbjørn: Hey jeff and Fox. Very interesting program we've got here, looking forward to next episode. The best part of tech and cars, IMHO, was the massive Jeep vulnerability. Movie-level exploits available: https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Nice show - I should come down for Skeptech II!
	7:02pm Jeff: @Torbjørn: Oh, poop - I got your "ø" wrong.

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