WFMU: Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza: Playlist from December 18, 2013

Listener comments!
	2:03pm Bliss: Testing comments board.
	2:08pm stream0: Cluck cluck cluck!
	2:08pm Mike Noble: good afternoon
	2:09pm kenzo0: weeeeeee
	2:11pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): slowwwwww down
	2:13pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): 434-971-8678
	2:16pm Bliss: Interestingly enough, Joel Salatin is against the Federal govt' being involved in the labelling of GMO foods.
	2:19pm kat330: OK, on board.
	2:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I've asked a genetic scientist to his face @ a talk - how do you know by your Selection that you're not just making 'race horses' - something that can 'run fast', but breaks down & gets sick easier - given you admit that the genetic code is like a roomful of encyclopedia you haven't read & understood yet; a classic Chaos Theory situation of complexity & unpredictability - & the answer was basically he thot the risk was worth it... - & everyone knows it will be impossible for Mansanto (or whoever controls the Means of Production) to keep GMO crops from breeding w/ other crops out in the fields... - @ least GMOs are actual plants & animals - unlike all manner of Things processed & developed that go into our Foods...
	2:30pm kat330: GMO, a great concern and topic for discussion. What I want to know is when did they start lacing cat food with high amounts of tryptophan? crevette63410.c.r.pic.centerblog.net...
	2:31pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): GMO's are not "actual" plants
	2:31pm fred: The playlist and comments are sluggish today. I'll say right away how happy I am to hear this live, the best show on what may or not count as WFMU
	2:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: kat330: the moment it made financial sense.
	2:33pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): yes, site is slow today
	2:33pm Ike: I'm puzzled by that earlier call. Are NY bulk goods really that inferior to NJ bulk goods?
	2:33pm fred: @RRN63: you nailed it
	2:34pm kat330: Um, I was being humorous, something this board could use on occasion. It was my attempt to segue the topic so people would see the photo, which I found on a link from today's APOD: apod.nasa.gov... [Finland]
	2:35pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Ike: I think it was a reference to the mega efficiency I experience by shopping at a real member-run food coop
	2:36pm kat330: Damn, where's glenn when you need 'im ...
	2:36pm Bliss: If I move down south I'd like to, with help, start a co-op if there isn't a good one already there.
	2:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Haha! sleepykat. ...I get apod everyday as a 'dashboard' widget. Look to the Skies, Planet Earth !
	2:39pm fred: @kat330: too bad none of the regular Finnish listeners are around here
	2:39pm kat330: Isn't that just the most 'dorable photo?! What's even more charming is that the guys running APOD would LINK to that just from today's photo description, where "cat food" happens to be part of how the picture was taken. Fun team.
	2:39pm Bliss: Potential dialogue -year 2019: "Just pop the gedi and normate that web fop."
	2:41pm kat330: @fred: I'm not sure this list has had any? Mauri? Lauri? Caryn? Think not. And, well, Philo is at work (where unlike most of the western world, it seems, he is not allowed to play online).
	2:46pm fred: @kat330: yeah, I intended "regular" in the station-wide sense. Though I haven't seen Caryn much lately. And there's also Fred Van Helsing, though American, he's lived there long enough for me to lump him in
	2:47pm kat330: Little known fact: Firesign Theatre ended clownism by refusing to stand on this bus.
	2:49pm kat330: Oh, yeah, Van "of thee" Helsing! Haven't crossed paths with him in many a moon. Oooh, anyone catch the moon either late last night of around 6 am this morning? So bright I think I caught sight of the Jade Rabbit.
	2:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - beloved Firesign.
	2:52pm Mike Noble: mine are on a shelf behind my tv
	2:52pm fred: @kat330: I saw it last night in a clear sky, but so far the clouds are winning today
	2:54pm kat330: Still very clear and bright in Knob Knee. We're expecting temps in the 60's + for the weekend. Craaaazy.
	2:54pm Rich in Washington: emergency work meeting here. Have had to miss it until now. Dammit!
	2:55pm Mike Noble: I just received a new tape in the mail from Sweden. Field recordings from Arvidsjaur.
	2:57pm fred: temps dipped below freezing for a couple of days last week, but since have been in the 50s. I wish they would go lower
	2:58pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): ugh, elliot with one or two t's?
	2:59pm kat330: You have it rightt.
	3:00pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): no, it's there both wayst
	3:01pm kat330: I was being humorous again. Hm, such a problem when females have a dry wit and still trying to eliminate emoticons, once and for all.
	3:06pm kat330: I have a question: When making a mash-up, as I have a few times, why would you put your own name down as "the artist"? I find that choice not only egotistical, but really rude to the people whose artistry you're manipulating. If you really MUST see your name in a playlist, then add it somewhere in your newly fashioned title, but not as "artist."
	3:07pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): judgments
	3:07pm northguineahills: Einstein on the Beach is a fave of mine...
	3:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I wonder Kenzo if you'd enjoy this as I did ? : www.youtube.com...
	3:09pm Bliss: I remember that piece of crap song.
	3:10pm fred: @kat330: put you name if you're happy with owning what you did. If you're not, maybe you shouldn't put it out there. You are making artistic choices in a collage/mash-up that the original artists didn't make, so I think putting their names in front is questionable. Definitely name them though
	3:11pm northguineahills: I usually take the Cageian route when defining an artist. Heck, even the designers of the acoustic and electronic instruments and software can also be considered as collaborators for whatever sound I'm experiencing.... However, it's a rather fluid definition whichever viewpoint one takes...
	3:11pm kat330: @bliss: Careful. Apparently we can only pass judgment on a specific "safe list" of things -- like GMO, cassette tapes, etc.
	3:11pm Bliss: Offhand I am going with fred on this one.
	3:13pm Bliss: @kat330 Are you serious? I've never seen you be like that before.
	3:13pm kat330: @fred: Has nothing whatsoever to do with being happy owning -- I'm thrilled to pieces with a couple of my mash-ups -- but I'd never even THINK to not put the artists whose work I'm manipulating down in the "Artist" column. My work is secondary.
	3:14pm Bliss: @kat330 I support you in labelling your work however you see fit.
	3:14pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): there is no one right answer to anything in the universe
	3:14pm kat330: @Bliss: Yeah, I know, it's impossible to know now that I'm trying to eliminate emoticons. Ha!
	3:15pm kat330: @Kenzo: That's a cop out.
	3:17pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): no, kat330, it is not
	3:18pm kat330: Doctor Who! We've been catching up on a lot of seasons now that they're being shown on Hulu.
	3:18pm kat330: That's a judgment.
	3:19pm fred: @kat330: I don't think what you do is secondary. Derivative in a non-valuing sense. But definitely not secondary, and I'm not saying that just because I liked the one mash-up you did that I heard. It's more of a principled position on my part, as was my earlier statement. I spent some time delving into those questions for work, so I had time to carve a rigid boneheaded -- aka principled -- position
	3:21pm kat330: @fred: Now this IS an interesting topic. So people who use MIDI and loops and VST's -- are they true artists? How about autotuned singing?
	3:22pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): our databases do not accommodate full crediting of involved individuals, nor does our culture properly fit it, as most music is named after the lead performer rather than the writer or producer or the other musicians or or or or everyone should do their best but their best will never be good enough because our system is inadequate, perhaps something to do with real life not being measurable
	3:23pm Bliss: If you create anything, you are an artist. You may be a shitty one, but you are one.
	3:24pm Ike: I love Delia Derbyshire's work, but those excerpts from that radio play are cringe-inducing (maybe overly emotive acting?). Much prefer "Falling," always gripping.
	3:25pm cklequ: @Bliss: Try telling that to this guy: www.nolandalla.com...
	3:25pm fred: @kat330: DJ/Rupture played many great songs that took autotune off its intended tracks. I think it's not about what you use, it's what you do with it. If you put something of yourself and transform the material, you deserve credit. Changing the context I'm not sure about, sorry Marcel
	3:25pm some other guy: Just credit all mashups to "the whole of human existence and experience across all spacetime". That way only pre- and post-human beings, and egotistical jerks are offended.
	3:26pm kat330: @Kenzo: The way I was first forced to think about it was when I was filling in the iTunes info on my .mp3 files. Under "Artist," it just seemed ludicrous NOT to fill in Tetaz and Jules in that section. And at least there's sufficient room to credit all who SHOULD be credited in that area.
	3:27pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): one person's cringe is another person's delightla
	3:29pm Bliss: @clekqu I'll check it out. I am not interested in getting into a semantics argument. I don't have a problem with the way Kenzo lists things.
	3:31pm northguineahills: 15 years ago I attempted to create a spreadsheet of all of my records w/ fields for various contributors, musicians, etc... I soon gave up as I was unable to quantify many people's contribution to each album (and I started working after college)
	3:31pm fred: @kat330: there's room enough, but few bots will find that. Is that the point? To me something important is that it's not what the original artists wanted to do. You didn't ask them. It seems to me much simpler for you to claim it than to say it's theirs. Which one anyway? Both? Maybe they can't stand each other. You made the final cut, I think you should "own" the result, and credit the contributors.
	3:32pm Ike: @Kat, I'm a fan of resurrected DW seasons 1-3 and 5-6, but 4 and 7 are mostly disappointing IMO. Much of Murray Gold's soundtracking is hamfisted maudlin musical drivel drowning out dialogue frequently. Love Eccleston & Smith.
	3:32pm kat330: And, btw, I think you do an amazing job of crediting and listing of all involved -- even to the point of listing names whose bits can't really be heard -- but I'm only speaking to those who do mash-ups and take the "Artist" credit. For people who've never heard the original sources, for e.g., makes it very difficult for them to search and find them.
	3:32pm Bliss: @fred Good point.
	3:35pm kat330: [My last one should have said @Kenzo -- sorry] @Fred: Yep, you make fair enough points. If I ever get into mashups involving more than two artists, I'll probably have no choice.
	3:36pm Bliss: Did anonymous just call?
	3:37pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): kat330: it's so very hard to do this all
	3:39pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): anyone still here at 4:15pm, i'll be happy to type replies
	3:40pm kat330: @Kenzo: As I said, you do an amazing job. Are you also a juggler perchance?
	3:40pm fred: @kat330: I hope you took my posts in good faith as they were typed. I haven't seen you here in a while, and I missed you. I heard some were hostile to you, I don't understand how that could happen and I hope I didn't come across that way today. If so, I would apologize, except it was so far from my intent I don't even know what I would be apologizing for
	3:41pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): humans are great
	3:41pm steve: i just might stick around Kenzo, the Joe Frank's Irwin plays at 4 are too much for me
	3:42pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): no audio here, just typing after 4
	3:42pm kat330: @fred: Noooooo, not at all! It's very clear which notes are disrespectful -- even misogynistic -- and which are clearly stating a point of view in a clear and clean way.
	3:43pm kat330: @steve: I have to agree. I usually have to tune out for some unpleasant vibe that comes through before half over.
	3:45pm fred: @kat330: maybe Kenzo isn't, but Daniel Menche is (or was): www.youtube.com...
	3:45pm steve: me too kat. funny thing is that Irwin plays the best music right after they end, i assume so we don't all spiral into total despair...
	3:46pm fred: that was about being a juggler, not disrespectful or misogynistic
	3:46pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): i am so glad for all of you and us
	3:50pm kat330: Oh, wow, that's an 11-minute video. I'll check it out later. Just figure anyone who's adept at handling a lot of tasks at the same time could also be a good juggler.
	3:51pm Bliss: @Kenzo Why does the VLC have the info before it apperas on the site? VLC info is more direct?
	3:51pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): judgmental jugglers
	3:52pm lily: I kind of love that I can hear this while it is happening and that no-one can hear me laughing but me. Conversations, hilarious templates for hilarity.
	3:53pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): oh lily's laughs!
	3:53pm fred: @kat330: he posted that link on a Bryce playlist earlier this year, I bookmarked it. It was a epic playing of Jugularis that made me miss a show because I just couldn't bring myself to stop that amazing sound while at work
	3:53pm kat330: Oh, yes, if this is my lastever opportunity, merry christmas and happy 2014 to all you good people!
	3:55pm Bliss: Thanks, Kenzo. Take care everyone.
	3:55pm kat330: The cat fell into the food bowl?
	3:56pm fred: Here's the playlist (jugularis wasn't played that often, despite it's awesomeness): wfmu.org... And happy whatever and next year to everyone
	3:56pm kat330: Sweet dreams: crevette63410.c.r.pic.centerblog.net...
	3:57pm northguineahills: Types furiously I almost forgot to commend Kenzo on another job well done, and hellos and goodbyes to the kenzoites out there.....
	3:57pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): thank you see you in 30 minutes!
	3:57pm kat330: Thanks, fred!
	3:58pm northguineahills: I want to do that, but w/ Japanese curry instead of cat food....
	3:58pm kat330: @NGH: :) @Kenzo: What's in 30 minutes?
	3:59pm fred: @NGH: I'd do that on Katsuobushi, but I'd lick the plate clean even asleep
	4:00pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Kenzo!
	4:00pm lily: that was surprising. proving again that a moment alone is never a moment alone. thank you. we all love you too, obviously. Even the cat Zach, now dead and my brother, now dead. We all love.
	4:00pm kat330: Damn it!! Fudge, I used an emoticon up there. Daggit.
	4:02pm steve: is something happening?
	4:10pm kat330: yeah, I wonder, too. [just reached the point in the Frank piece where I had to switch off]
	4:17pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): what could happen
	4:18pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): i'm just gonna sit here and read everyone from two hours past and think about the cat of years past
	4:20pm kat330: Kenzo, I think you are still haunted by some cat of the past. Would you like to talk about it?
	4:20pm steve: nice. im just waiting for Joe Frank to end
	4:21pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): the cat has starred in this show and will crawl through again
	4:21pm Bliss: I'm just checking email, cooking potatoes, and keeping the comments board open for now.
	4:23pm kat330: I'm multi-tasking, too (though I cannot juggle). Listening to SoundCloud tracks on my Dashboard, reading e-mail and the local alternative weekly online. And typing here on occasion.
	4:25pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): a) There's no one meaning of "mash up" b) There's no ideal approach to identifying one. It can be nice to name both the original and the mixer as the artist, but then there's no database-able way to find it. Like, I want to find all of djNoNo's mixes. I can if he/she/it/they named the mixes by such name. The comments field has to suffice for naming the source artists. How would I do it? Some of my 5-minute segments have 25 artists in them. What would you suggest? Name 25 artists in the artist field? AND not name myself? Creation is egotistical. And all of life is derivative. I may not agree with everyone else's choices or where they draw their own lines, but I can't deny the relative and ever-repeating nature of everything.
	4:28pm kat330: Kenzo, I was never even thinking of your work and this show when I brought up the truth-in-advertising who's the artist? question.
	4:28pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): and, kat, you have interpreted something from something I didn't say or indend. I said "judgments", and then you said "Apparently we can only pass judgment on a specific safe list of things." All I said was "judgments"! The rest hadn't occurred to me, nor would be something I would feel or communicate.
	4:30pm kat330: There's ego and then there's EGO. I may attribute to a fault -- I will explain where every inspiration came from -- but I'd prefer to err that way than in taking credit where it simply isn't due. WFMU and this stream play plenty of mashups where, IMO, the wrong name is in the Artist field.
	4:32pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): When something is a simple remix or cover, I like it when the artist puts the original artist's name in the "title" field, in parentheses.
	4:32pm Bliss: If I am searching for a collage artists work, searching under their name is the way I am going to do it.
	4:33pm Bliss: Duh.
	4:35pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): search in my shopping bag of potatoes. ok, i go now. leaving this thingy open until later. archive probably up tomorrow afternoon. byeb byebyebyebyeby
	4:36pm kat330: So long!
	4:36pm Bliss: Take care.
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - whenever these Crediting issues come up, I refer to this great film 'Copyright Criminals' : www.youtube.com... - which is apparently on YouTube now, so we can see it w/out giving any monetary credit to the creators !! (?)...
	6:51pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): The YouTube advertising and tracking data money flows to today's most gigantic copyright criminal of all: Google.
	7:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - ah then. One Ring to Rule Them All.
	3:36pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Arrival of audio archive.
	3:52pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Ike @ 3:24pm: Yeah, I see what you mean.

Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza: Playlist from December 18, 2013

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December 18, 2013: (Show #491) The Hypnosis Juggling Co-op (without judgment)

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Artist	Track	Album	Year	Format	Comments	New / Special	Approx. start time
Diane Cluck	Perigee Moon (zither only)	Diane Cluck's Song-of-the-Week project	2013	WAV	Ken's zither mix 12/18/13	* ***	0:00:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Space sounds	Agena Mission Failure 651025	Gemini	1965	MP3		* ***	0:00:30 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Bionic Boogie	Dance Little Dreamer	DISCOgraphy LP	1977	WAV		* ***	0:00:33 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Space sounds	Agena Mission Failure 651025	Gemini	1965	MP3		***	0:00:38 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Diane Cluck	Perigee Moon (zither only)	Diane Cluck's Song-of-the-Week project	2013	WAV	Ken's zither mix 12/18/13	***	0:01:54 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza	Give the Drummer Radio live stream		2013	MP3		* ***	0:02:11 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
KENS 5 Eyewitness News	Blue fiber disappeared under scalp	Extended interview	2005	WAV		* ***	0:05:19 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Polyphonic Spree	Light and Day "Light and Day" by "Polyphonic Spree"			WAV		* ***	0:07:14 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Billy Corgan and Alex Jones	Interview	Alex Jones Show 6/26/12	2012	MP3		* ***	0:08:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
	Hypnosis and Relaxation "Hypnosis and Relaxation"			WAV		* ***	0:09:02 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Polyphonic Spree	Light and Day (reversed)			WAV		* ***	0:12:32 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway	20	Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway		MP3		* ***	0:13:46 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Glenn Harrold	Believe in Yourself	Build Your Self Esteem	2003	MP3		* ***	0:17:21 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Polyphonic Spree	Light and Day "Light and Day" by "Polyphonic Spree"			WAV		* ***	0:20:52 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
James Brown	Fight Against Drug Abuse PSA	Public Service Announcement Promotional Disc		MP3		* ***	0:28:20 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Crispin Glover	I like there to be an air of mystery	On David Letterman appearance		MP3		* ***	0:29:01 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Lyndon Baines Johnson	Call From LBJ	Gemini		MP3		* ***	0:29:28 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Space sounds	Emergency Landing Availability	Gemini		MP3		* ***	0:30:11 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Matt Cook	Science (excerpt) "Science (excerpt)" by "Matt Cook"			MP3		* ***	0:30:27 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
John Lennon	Interview with Tom Snyder		1975	MP3		* ***	0:31:16 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Elliott Smith	Needle In The Hay "Needle In The Hay" by "Elliott Smith"	Royal Tenenbaums Soundtrack		WAV		* ***	0:32:12 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Hypnotica and Steve Piccus Music Denver Clay	Double induction Confidence Doing Hypnosis	Hypnotica.org	2003	MP3		* ***	0:33:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Tori Amos	Frog On My Toe "Frog On My Toe" by "Tori Amos"	Talula EP	1996	WAV		* ***	0:35:05 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Wildman Steve Brill, with Diana Sherlif	Conflict and Cooperation	WBAI Radio show 3/16/94	1994	MP3		* ***	0:38:48 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
The Firesign Theatre	I Think We're All Bozos on This Bus	I Think We're All Bozos on This Bus	1971	MP3		* ***	0:41:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
	Skill of Conversation "Skill of Conversation"	Audio book		MP3		* ***	0:44:26 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Live phone call (Grizzly Swat)	Sound collage over phone						0:45:08 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Elliott Smith	Needle in the Hay "Needle in the Hay" by "Elliott Smith"	Royal Tenenbaums Soundtrack		WAV		* ***	0:54:38 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Elliott Smith	Needle in the Hay "Needle in the Hay" by "Elliott Smith"	Royal Tenenbaums Soundtrack		WAV		* ***	0:55:34 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Schoolhouse Rock	The Great American Melting Pot	America Rock (Disc 3)	2000	MP3		* ***	0:56:38 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Tykwer, Klimek, Heil	Introduction	Run Lola Run	1999	MP3		* ***	0:56:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Philip Glass	Knee Play 5 "Knee Play 5" by "Philip Glass"	Einstein on the Beach	1990	MP3		* ***	0:57:20 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ralph Mcdonald	Calypso Breakdown "Calypso Breakdown" by "Ralph Mcdonald"	Saturday Night Fever	1977	MP3		* ***	0:58:23 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
dj BC	Einstein On The Beast "Einstein On The Beast" by "dj BC"	Glassbreaks	2005	MP3	Philip Glass, Beastie Boys mashup. Einstein on the Beach	* ***	1:00:32 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Live phone call	"Live phone call"						1:01:19 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Philip Glass	Knee Play 5 "Knee Play 5" by "Philip Glass"						1:04:48 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Schoolhouse Rock	No More Kings "No More Kings" by "Schoolhouse Rock"	America Rock (Disc 3)	2000	MP3		* ***	1:06:11 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
	Music can be produced entirely by electronics	1950's electronic synthesizer documentary		WAV		* ***	1:07:05 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Walter Murphy	A Fifth of Beethoven	Saturday Night Fever Soundtrack	1977	MP3		* ***	1:07:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ralph Mcdonald	Calypso Breakdown "Calypso Breakdown" by "Ralph Mcdonald"	Saturday Night Fever Soundtrack	1977	MP3		***	1:09:53 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Martyn Wade	Blue Veils & Golden Sands				Radio play about the composer and electronic music pioneer Delia Debyshire.		1:10:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Delia Derbyshire and Ron Grainer	Doctor Who 1963-1969		1963				1:15:03 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Hampton The Hampster	Hampsterdance Song (Radio Edit)	The Official Hampster Dance Song	2000	MP3		* ***	1:16:13 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Delia Derbyshire	falling "falling" by "Delia Derbyshire"	The Dreams	1964		Sound collage composed in collaboration with Barry Bermange		1:16:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
David Gilmour	Interview excerpt about radio	A Tree Full Of Secrets (Disc 08)	2000	WAV		* ***	1:23:12 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
W.G. Snuffy Walden	My So-Called Life Theme	My So-Called Life s.t.	1994	WAV		* ***	1:34:25 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Live phone call	"Live phone call"		2013				1:34:46 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
W.G. Snuffy Walden	My So-Called Life theme (Pilot version)		1994	WAV		* ***	1:37:40 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Trembling Blue Stars	All I Never Said (reversed)	Lips That Taste of Tears	1998	WAV		* ***	1:47:16 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Trembling Blue Stars	All I Never Said (reversed)	Lips That Taste of Tears	1998	WAV		***	1:50:04 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza	Surely Laughter Brings You Closer to the Guy	Surely Laughter Brings You Closer to the Guy: 5/24/05, show #366	2005	MP3	I think the cat just fell: Should I go (a way)?	* ***	1:51:35 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Camper Van Beethoven	Sweethearts "Sweethearts" by "Camper Van Beethoven"	Key Lime Pie	1989	WAV		* ***	1:53:55 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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	2:03pm Bliss: Testing comments board.
	2:08pm stream0: Cluck cluck cluck!
	2:08pm Mike Noble: good afternoon
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	2:11pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): slowwwwww down
	2:13pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): 434-971-8678
	2:16pm Bliss: Interestingly enough, Joel Salatin is against the Federal govt' being involved in the labelling of GMO foods.
	2:19pm kat330: OK, on board.
	2:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I've asked a genetic scientist to his face @ a talk - how do you know by your Selection that you're not just making 'race horses' - something that can 'run fast', but breaks down & gets sick easier - given you admit that the genetic code is like a roomful of encyclopedia you haven't read & understood yet; a classic Chaos Theory situation of complexity & unpredictability - & the answer was basically he thot the risk was worth it... - & everyone knows it will be impossible for Mansanto (or whoever controls the Means of Production) to keep GMO crops from breeding w/ other crops out in the fields... - @ least GMOs are actual plants & animals - unlike all manner of Things processed & developed that go into our Foods...
	2:30pm kat330: GMO, a great concern and topic for discussion. What I want to know is when did they start lacing cat food with high amounts of tryptophan? crevette63410.c.r.pic.centerblog.net...
	2:31pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): GMO's are not "actual" plants
	2:31pm fred: The playlist and comments are sluggish today. I'll say right away how happy I am to hear this live, the best show on what may or not count as WFMU
	2:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: kat330: the moment it made financial sense.
	2:33pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): yes, site is slow today
	2:33pm Ike: I'm puzzled by that earlier call. Are NY bulk goods really that inferior to NJ bulk goods?
	2:33pm fred: @RRN63: you nailed it
	2:34pm kat330: Um, I was being humorous, something this board could use on occasion. It was my attempt to segue the topic so people would see the photo, which I found on a link from today's APOD: apod.nasa.gov... [Finland]
	2:35pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Ike: I think it was a reference to the mega efficiency I experience by shopping at a real member-run food coop
	2:36pm kat330: Damn, where's glenn when you need 'im ...
	2:36pm Bliss: If I move down south I'd like to, with help, start a co-op if there isn't a good one already there.
	2:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Haha! sleepykat. ...I get apod everyday as a 'dashboard' widget. Look to the Skies, Planet Earth !
	2:39pm fred: @kat330: too bad none of the regular Finnish listeners are around here
	2:39pm kat330: Isn't that just the most 'dorable photo?! What's even more charming is that the guys running APOD would LINK to that just from today's photo description, where "cat food" happens to be part of how the picture was taken. Fun team.
	2:39pm Bliss: Potential dialogue -year 2019: "Just pop the gedi and normate that web fop."
	2:41pm kat330: @fred: I'm not sure this list has had any? Mauri? Lauri? Caryn? Think not. And, well, Philo is at work (where unlike most of the western world, it seems, he is not allowed to play online).
	2:46pm fred: @kat330: yeah, I intended "regular" in the station-wide sense. Though I haven't seen Caryn much lately. And there's also Fred Van Helsing, though American, he's lived there long enough for me to lump him in
	2:47pm kat330: Little known fact: Firesign Theatre ended clownism by refusing to stand on this bus.
	2:49pm kat330: Oh, yeah, Van "of thee" Helsing! Haven't crossed paths with him in many a moon. Oooh, anyone catch the moon either late last night of around 6 am this morning? So bright I think I caught sight of the Jade Rabbit.
	2:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - beloved Firesign.
	2:52pm Mike Noble: mine are on a shelf behind my tv
	2:52pm fred: @kat330: I saw it last night in a clear sky, but so far the clouds are winning today
	2:54pm kat330: Still very clear and bright in Knob Knee. We're expecting temps in the 60's + for the weekend. Craaaazy.
	2:54pm Rich in Washington: emergency work meeting here. Have had to miss it until now. Dammit!
	2:55pm Mike Noble: I just received a new tape in the mail from Sweden. Field recordings from Arvidsjaur.
	2:57pm fred: temps dipped below freezing for a couple of days last week, but since have been in the 50s. I wish they would go lower
	2:58pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): ugh, elliot with one or two t's?
	2:59pm kat330: You have it rightt.
	3:00pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): no, it's there both wayst
	3:01pm kat330: I was being humorous again. Hm, such a problem when females have a dry wit and still trying to eliminate emoticons, once and for all.
	3:06pm kat330: I have a question: When making a mash-up, as I have a few times, why would you put your own name down as "the artist"? I find that choice not only egotistical, but really rude to the people whose artistry you're manipulating. If you really MUST see your name in a playlist, then add it somewhere in your newly fashioned title, but not as "artist."
	3:07pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): judgments
	3:07pm northguineahills: Einstein on the Beach is a fave of mine...
	3:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I wonder Kenzo if you'd enjoy this as I did ? : www.youtube.com...
	3:09pm Bliss: I remember that piece of crap song.
	3:10pm fred: @kat330: put you name if you're happy with owning what you did. If you're not, maybe you shouldn't put it out there. You are making artistic choices in a collage/mash-up that the original artists didn't make, so I think putting their names in front is questionable. Definitely name them though
	3:11pm northguineahills: I usually take the Cageian route when defining an artist. Heck, even the designers of the acoustic and electronic instruments and software can also be considered as collaborators for whatever sound I'm experiencing.... However, it's a rather fluid definition whichever viewpoint one takes...
	3:11pm kat330: @bliss: Careful. Apparently we can only pass judgment on a specific "safe list" of things -- like GMO, cassette tapes, etc.
	3:11pm Bliss: Offhand I am going with fred on this one.
	3:13pm Bliss: @kat330 Are you serious? I've never seen you be like that before.
	3:13pm kat330: @fred: Has nothing whatsoever to do with being happy owning -- I'm thrilled to pieces with a couple of my mash-ups -- but I'd never even THINK to not put the artists whose work I'm manipulating down in the "Artist" column. My work is secondary.
	3:14pm Bliss: @kat330 I support you in labelling your work however you see fit.
	3:14pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): there is no one right answer to anything in the universe
	3:14pm kat330: @Bliss: Yeah, I know, it's impossible to know now that I'm trying to eliminate emoticons. Ha!
	3:15pm kat330: @Kenzo: That's a cop out.
	3:17pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): no, kat330, it is not
	3:18pm kat330: Doctor Who! We've been catching up on a lot of seasons now that they're being shown on Hulu.
	3:18pm kat330: That's a judgment.
	3:19pm fred: @kat330: I don't think what you do is secondary. Derivative in a non-valuing sense. But definitely not secondary, and I'm not saying that just because I liked the one mash-up you did that I heard. It's more of a principled position on my part, as was my earlier statement. I spent some time delving into those questions for work, so I had time to carve a rigid boneheaded -- aka principled -- position
	3:21pm kat330: @fred: Now this IS an interesting topic. So people who use MIDI and loops and VST's -- are they true artists? How about autotuned singing?
	3:22pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): our databases do not accommodate full crediting of involved individuals, nor does our culture properly fit it, as most music is named after the lead performer rather than the writer or producer or the other musicians or or or or everyone should do their best but their best will never be good enough because our system is inadequate, perhaps something to do with real life not being measurable
	3:23pm Bliss: If you create anything, you are an artist. You may be a shitty one, but you are one.
	3:24pm Ike: I love Delia Derbyshire's work, but those excerpts from that radio play are cringe-inducing (maybe overly emotive acting?). Much prefer "Falling," always gripping.
	3:25pm cklequ: @Bliss: Try telling that to this guy: www.nolandalla.com...
	3:25pm fred: @kat330: DJ/Rupture played many great songs that took autotune off its intended tracks. I think it's not about what you use, it's what you do with it. If you put something of yourself and transform the material, you deserve credit. Changing the context I'm not sure about, sorry Marcel
	3:25pm some other guy: Just credit all mashups to "the whole of human existence and experience across all spacetime". That way only pre- and post-human beings, and egotistical jerks are offended.
	3:26pm kat330: @Kenzo: The way I was first forced to think about it was when I was filling in the iTunes info on my .mp3 files. Under "Artist," it just seemed ludicrous NOT to fill in Tetaz and Jules in that section. And at least there's sufficient room to credit all who SHOULD be credited in that area.
	3:27pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): one person's cringe is another person's delightla
	3:29pm Bliss: @clekqu I'll check it out. I am not interested in getting into a semantics argument. I don't have a problem with the way Kenzo lists things.
	3:31pm northguineahills: 15 years ago I attempted to create a spreadsheet of all of my records w/ fields for various contributors, musicians, etc... I soon gave up as I was unable to quantify many people's contribution to each album (and I started working after college)
	3:31pm fred: @kat330: there's room enough, but few bots will find that. Is that the point? To me something important is that it's not what the original artists wanted to do. You didn't ask them. It seems to me much simpler for you to claim it than to say it's theirs. Which one anyway? Both? Maybe they can't stand each other. You made the final cut, I think you should "own" the result, and credit the contributors.
	3:32pm Ike: @Kat, I'm a fan of resurrected DW seasons 1-3 and 5-6, but 4 and 7 are mostly disappointing IMO. Much of Murray Gold's soundtracking is hamfisted maudlin musical drivel drowning out dialogue frequently. Love Eccleston & Smith.
	3:32pm kat330: And, btw, I think you do an amazing job of crediting and listing of all involved -- even to the point of listing names whose bits can't really be heard -- but I'm only speaking to those who do mash-ups and take the "Artist" credit. For people who've never heard the original sources, for e.g., makes it very difficult for them to search and find them.
	3:32pm Bliss: @fred Good point.
	3:35pm kat330: [My last one should have said @Kenzo -- sorry] @Fred: Yep, you make fair enough points. If I ever get into mashups involving more than two artists, I'll probably have no choice.
	3:36pm Bliss: Did anonymous just call?
	3:37pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): kat330: it's so very hard to do this all
	3:39pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): anyone still here at 4:15pm, i'll be happy to type replies
	3:40pm kat330: @Kenzo: As I said, you do an amazing job. Are you also a juggler perchance?
	3:40pm fred: @kat330: I hope you took my posts in good faith as they were typed. I haven't seen you here in a while, and I missed you. I heard some were hostile to you, I don't understand how that could happen and I hope I didn't come across that way today. If so, I would apologize, except it was so far from my intent I don't even know what I would be apologizing for
	3:41pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): humans are great
	3:41pm steve: i just might stick around Kenzo, the Joe Frank's Irwin plays at 4 are too much for me
	3:42pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): no audio here, just typing after 4
	3:42pm kat330: @fred: Noooooo, not at all! It's very clear which notes are disrespectful -- even misogynistic -- and which are clearly stating a point of view in a clear and clean way.
	3:43pm kat330: @steve: I have to agree. I usually have to tune out for some unpleasant vibe that comes through before half over.
	3:45pm fred: @kat330: maybe Kenzo isn't, but Daniel Menche is (or was): www.youtube.com...
	3:45pm steve: me too kat. funny thing is that Irwin plays the best music right after they end, i assume so we don't all spiral into total despair...
	3:46pm fred: that was about being a juggler, not disrespectful or misogynistic
	3:46pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): i am so glad for all of you and us
	3:50pm kat330: Oh, wow, that's an 11-minute video. I'll check it out later. Just figure anyone who's adept at handling a lot of tasks at the same time could also be a good juggler.
	3:51pm Bliss: @Kenzo Why does the VLC have the info before it apperas on the site? VLC info is more direct?
	3:51pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): judgmental jugglers
	3:52pm lily: I kind of love that I can hear this while it is happening and that no-one can hear me laughing but me. Conversations, hilarious templates for hilarity.
	3:53pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): oh lily's laughs!
	3:53pm fred: @kat330: he posted that link on a Bryce playlist earlier this year, I bookmarked it. It was a epic playing of Jugularis that made me miss a show because I just couldn't bring myself to stop that amazing sound while at work
	3:53pm kat330: Oh, yes, if this is my lastever opportunity, merry christmas and happy 2014 to all you good people!
	3:55pm Bliss: Thanks, Kenzo. Take care everyone.
	3:55pm kat330: The cat fell into the food bowl?
	3:56pm fred: Here's the playlist (jugularis wasn't played that often, despite it's awesomeness): wfmu.org... And happy whatever and next year to everyone
	3:56pm kat330: Sweet dreams: crevette63410.c.r.pic.centerblog.net...
	3:57pm northguineahills: Types furiously I almost forgot to commend Kenzo on another job well done, and hellos and goodbyes to the kenzoites out there.....
	3:57pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): thank you see you in 30 minutes!
	3:57pm kat330: Thanks, fred!
	3:58pm northguineahills: I want to do that, but w/ Japanese curry instead of cat food....
	3:58pm kat330: @NGH: :) @Kenzo: What's in 30 minutes?
	3:59pm fred: @NGH: I'd do that on Katsuobushi, but I'd lick the plate clean even asleep
	4:00pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Kenzo!
	4:00pm lily: that was surprising. proving again that a moment alone is never a moment alone. thank you. we all love you too, obviously. Even the cat Zach, now dead and my brother, now dead. We all love.
	4:00pm kat330: Damn it!! Fudge, I used an emoticon up there. Daggit.
	4:02pm steve: is something happening?
	4:10pm kat330: yeah, I wonder, too. [just reached the point in the Frank piece where I had to switch off]
	4:17pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): what could happen
	4:18pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): i'm just gonna sit here and read everyone from two hours past and think about the cat of years past
	4:20pm kat330: Kenzo, I think you are still haunted by some cat of the past. Would you like to talk about it?
	4:20pm steve: nice. im just waiting for Joe Frank to end
	4:21pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): the cat has starred in this show and will crawl through again
	4:21pm Bliss: I'm just checking email, cooking potatoes, and keeping the comments board open for now.
	4:23pm kat330: I'm multi-tasking, too (though I cannot juggle). Listening to SoundCloud tracks on my Dashboard, reading e-mail and the local alternative weekly online. And typing here on occasion.
	4:25pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): a) There's no one meaning of "mash up" b) There's no ideal approach to identifying one. It can be nice to name both the original and the mixer as the artist, but then there's no database-able way to find it. Like, I want to find all of djNoNo's mixes. I can if he/she/it/they named the mixes by such name. The comments field has to suffice for naming the source artists. How would I do it? Some of my 5-minute segments have 25 artists in them. What would you suggest? Name 25 artists in the artist field? AND not name myself? Creation is egotistical. And all of life is derivative. I may not agree with everyone else's choices or where they draw their own lines, but I can't deny the relative and ever-repeating nature of everything.
	4:28pm kat330: Kenzo, I was never even thinking of your work and this show when I brought up the truth-in-advertising who's the artist? question.
	4:28pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): and, kat, you have interpreted something from something I didn't say or indend. I said "judgments", and then you said "Apparently we can only pass judgment on a specific safe list of things." All I said was "judgments"! The rest hadn't occurred to me, nor would be something I would feel or communicate.
	4:30pm kat330: There's ego and then there's EGO. I may attribute to a fault -- I will explain where every inspiration came from -- but I'd prefer to err that way than in taking credit where it simply isn't due. WFMU and this stream play plenty of mashups where, IMO, the wrong name is in the Artist field.
	4:32pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): When something is a simple remix or cover, I like it when the artist puts the original artist's name in the "title" field, in parentheses.
	4:32pm Bliss: If I am searching for a collage artists work, searching under their name is the way I am going to do it.
	4:33pm Bliss: Duh.
	4:35pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): search in my shopping bag of potatoes. ok, i go now. leaving this thingy open until later. archive probably up tomorrow afternoon. byeb byebyebyebyeby
	4:36pm kat330: So long!
	4:36pm Bliss: Take care.
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - whenever these Crediting issues come up, I refer to this great film 'Copyright Criminals' : www.youtube.com... - which is apparently on YouTube now, so we can see it w/out giving any monetary credit to the creators !! (?)...
	6:51pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): The YouTube advertising and tracking data money flows to today's most gigantic copyright criminal of all: Google.
	7:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - ah then. One Ring to Rule Them All.
	3:36pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Arrival of audio archive.
	3:52pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Ike @ 3:24pm: Yeah, I see what you mean.

Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza: Playlist from December 18, 2013

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