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Favoriting October 14, 2024: Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish"

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Today: Yaroslav Trofimov, author, “Our Enemies Will Vanish”

The war in Ukraine, begun in 2022 by Russia's invasion, has been defined in part by the use of digital technology: GPS, satellite internet, and especially drones. On this Techtonic, Yaroslav Trofimov discusses his book “Our Enemies Will Vanish: The Russian Invasion and Ukraine’s War of Independence.”

Our Enemies Will Vanish: The Russian Invasion and Ukraine’s War of Independence, by Yaroslav Trofimov

Yarotrof.com, Yaroslav Trofimov’s website

20 Days in Mariupol (documentary by Mstyslav Chernov, streaming on PBS, released Nov 2023)

Review of “Rule of Two Walls,” a 2023 documentary about artists in Ukraine

‘Intercepted’ Review: A Portrait of the War in Ukraine Told Through Haunting Images and Soundscapes (Variety, Apr 12, 2024) – about a 2024 documentary playing intercepted phone calls of Russian soldiers in Ukraine

How to help Ukraine: Hospitallers – see also hospitallers.life – "a Ukrainian volunteer organization providing crucial medical aid on the battlefield, facilitating the evacuation of the wounded, and assisting with their recovery."

A.I. Begins Ushering In an Age of Killer Robots (by past Techtonic guest Paul Mozur and Adam Satariano, NYT, July 2, 2024): “What the companies are creating is technology that makes human judgment about targeting and firing increasingly tangential. The widespread availability of off-the-shelf devices, easy-to-design software, powerful automation algorithms and specialized artificial intelligence microchips has pushed a deadly innovation race into uncharted territory, fueling a potential new era of killer robots.”

Slaughterbots (2017 short film) – see also the sequel

Not Only for Killing: Drones Are Now Detecting Land Mines in Ukraine (NYT, Aug 24, 2024): “Ukraine is a beta test for embedding artificial intelligence and other new technologies in drones and robots to find deadly land mines, saving lives and allowing military forces to advance more quickly.”

How Ukraine’s Naval Drones Turned the Tide in the Battle of the Black Sea (WSJ, June 25, 2024)

Eric Schmidt Is Secretly Testing AI Military Drones In A Wealthy Silicon Valley Suburb (Forbes, June 6, 2024): “Over the past several months, White Stork has poached at least a dozen employees from Apple, SpaceX, Google, federal government agencies and the billionaire’s own philanthropic organization, Schmidt Futures, multiple sources told Forbes. Their expertise spans machine learning, aerospace, supply chains and procurement. These tactical hires have been accompanied by rank and file recruitment at universities and AI hackathons, some personally hosted by Schmidt himself.”

Telegram has become a key tool for the Russian military (Meduza, Aug 28, 2024)

Behind Ukraine’s Russia Invasion: Secrecy, Speed and Electronic Jamming (WSJ, Aug 17, 2024): “Led by electronic-warfare units that jammed Russian communications and drones, units from Ukraine’s strategic reserve swarmed across the border on Aug. 6, seizing what Kyiv has described as 82 towns and villages in Russia’s Kursk region.”

House Speaker has no ‘appetite’ for more US support for Ukraine (Kyiv Independent, Oct 14, 2024): “U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson said on Oct. 11 that he no longer has “an appetite for further Ukraine funding” and hopes that a November electoral victory for former U.S. President Donald Trump will bring a swift end to the war.”

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtondversaries!
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Handy Haversack:

Mark! Hell Techs!
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mackeral:

hey all!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark & friends!
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PaulRobeson1924:

Hi HiHi
  6:03pm
David (in London):

Evening Mark and all assembled Technoids.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Good, I have a nice appetite for this show tonight! Glory to Ukraine!
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
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tim:

Hello Mark! I'm looking forward to tonight's interview.

Hello everyone!
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Ciggy:

Is Vic There
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

Hello Mark and techies.
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DjLorraine:

Hi
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Spikey BXL:

Hi Mark.

🇺🇦Слава Україні! Героям слава!🇺🇦
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joe_rosevear:

Hi, people!
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Friends!
  6:10pm
Mattynotimes:

I really love your stated position before interview. Thank you for explaining it so elegantly and Informatively
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PaulRobeson1924:

Why War?
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Handy Haversack:

↳ David (in London) @6:03
Evening, David.
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Mark Hurst:

Hi ultra, Handy, mackeral, Bas, PaulR, DiL, KfHP, WtSG, Tim, Ciggy, Peter, DjL, Spikey, joe_r, webham, Mattynotimes, PaulR - thanks for joining this evening.
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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Mark Hurst:

Welcome, chresti
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Bea:

Good evening, Mark! Thanks for covering this.
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Cooh John:

Hello Mark and techtons.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Bea @6:15
Hi Bea, thanks for joining :)
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Our good buddy Elon Musk is aiding and abetting the invaders by allowing them to use his "Tsar Link" satellite internet service.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Cooh John @6:15
Welcome, Cooh John
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PaulRobeson1924:

Recall the German “A-B Aktion”

To murder any intellectual opposition to Nazi rule in Poland- before the invasion & war began
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tim:

Did Yaroslav say Boris Yeltsin warned Zelenskyy about the invasion?
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Spikey BXL:

"I don't need a ride, I need ammunition"
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Mark Hurst:

↳ tim @6:16
No - UK prime minister (at the time) Boris Johnson
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Spikey BXL:

↳ tim @6:16
No, a former Ukrainian President, if heard correctly
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PaulRobeson1924:

HELP ME CLAY
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tim:

↳ tim @6:16
I'm not being a wiseacre, just that's what I thought I heard.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:16
I think it was the former Ukr president who warned Yaroslav... it was Boris Johnson who suggested to Zelensky that he might go into exile. (Johnson didn't warn Zelensky about the invasion)
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tim:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:16
Thank you.
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Spikey BXL:

Don't move now, but if the situation interests you, please add BBC's Ukrainecast to your podcast dial.
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tim:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:18
Thanks, Mark.
  6:19pm
traven:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:16
The Polish nation was occupied by the Germans longer than any other nation during WWII. The Polish people suffered accordingly.
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Rolando:

Greetings friends, at last I’ve made it here after some time, been listening to all the past shows in archives, looking forward to learning lots.
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Folsom:

I can't figure out that the Russians put so many land mines in Ukraine to stop the Ukraine forces. I wonder if they will remove them if they keep eastern Ukraine.
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:16
No english equivalent word for this German word “Aktion” - meaning roughly operation/action group

A-B Aktion
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Spikey BXL:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:24
Very similar to the domestic night of the long knives where the SA was beheaded.
  6:28pm
advdk:

The narrative that is being pushed here is so deeply biased that it would take a couple of hours of history lessons to only have the smallest possibility for an honest discussion. Do these Pullitzer and Orwellian prize winners not have enough platform for their bootlicking propaganda already. Shame on you WFMU.
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PaulRobeson1924:

Help me Clay
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troll exposed:

🙄🙄 advdk
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

↳ advdk @6:28
Bots have arrived at Woof Moo.
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PaulRobeson1924:

Why War? What is it that War accomplishes? C. Wright Mills
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joe mulligan:

↳ advdk @6:28
be nice or write your own book
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Spikey BXL:

↳ joe mulligan @6:37
A tzarist fairy tale to justify a brutal and illegal war of aggression
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Matty No Times:

I always love a extremely vague retort that holds no real information, only accusations haha
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PaulRobeson1924:

I wonder, what are these boys eating? The ones doing the killing and dying

Why war
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Handy Haversack:

It's just wild that the right-wing meme factory and propaganda wing has swung SO HARD on this one. A couple of years ago, sentiment seemed pretty universal in the right and center-right wings of American political discourse (i.e., mainstream politics). That it has shifted so hard against support for Ukraine seems very much wedded to the Russia-loving MAGA takeover being complete on the farther right reaches. Just still shocks me how complete and total it has been. Since when do American politicians not want to send weapons? Sending weapons is pretty much what modern American politics is all about.
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chresti:

↳ Rolando @6:19
Hi Rolando!
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Deano de los Muertos:

Howdy Mark. I’ve been trying to avoid Amazon, but that didn’t stop one of their speeding, distracted drivers from crashing into my car.
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Spikey BXL:

Thank you Yaroslav

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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:43
I think "follow the money" may have the clues we need.
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tim:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:43
I'm right with you. I'm genuinely baffled.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:45
Ha, no doubt!
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:36
C. Wright Mills, Church and Times Sq…
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Yaroslav!
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Handy Haversack:

Robot head check:
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:49
Grrrrrrrrrr. Icon Lag!
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tim:

In Russia, Elon Musk buy you.
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Spikey BXL:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:49
Russian cyber attack
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PaulRobeson1924:

Mark! What other radio station allows the GListeners to express themselves with joy and true freedom!? Our Friendship society is strong and worth a pledge to keep alive!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:51
I also blame Russian hackers for my hair loss and weight gain. They got their fingers in a lot of pies!
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PaulRobeson1924:

I’m cleaning my bathroom bowl!
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coelacanth∅:

if we had a real government they'd have taken piece-of-shit musk's control away from his company.
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Mark!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

As mentioned in a previous show, the Starlink satellites are screwing up Earth-based astronomy and risking Kessler syndrome.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:52
If we had a real government, we definitely wouldn't have a real government!
  6:54pm
Fredericks:

corporatism
noun
Political / Economic system in which power is exercised through large organizations (businesses, trade unions, their associated lobbying efforts, etc.) working in concert or conflict with each other; usually with the goal of influencing or subsuming the direction of the state and generally only to benefit their own socioeconomic agendas at the expense of the will of the people, and to the detriment of the common good.
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tim:

Thank you, Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark & Yaroslav!
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DjLorraine:

Since a free democratic country was surprised attacked without a reason i was certain my aquaintence in CT would understand my concern. Somehow he was spouting disinnformation about Ukraine. I tried to explain different aspects of this war but his opinion was already formed. Saddly it did effect my perceived friendship.
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Spikey BXL:

Дякую Yaro & Mark
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mackeral:

THANKS MARK
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
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Cannot see how to pledge on your page
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coelacanth∅:

there are countless teslas here. douchemobiles, i call them.
i guess because the zombies have been duped into thinking they're doing something good for the environment.
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:53
true that!
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mackeral:

iCars
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bleubombersune:

Mark Thanks for another informative show.. All stay safe and be well
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Handy Haversack:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:57
Was it on Techtonic that I learned that Tesla makes most of its money not on car sales but on selling the carbon credits it earns by making electric cars to regular car companies so that they don't have to try?

And then of course selling the data.
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ @6:57
Try this here: pledge.wfmu.org...
Thanks, Mark & Yaroslav.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:44
Oh no, Deano! Hope you're OK.
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Thank you Mark Hurst!!!
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Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:59
I am thanks, the car slightly less so.
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DjLorraine:

Thanks Mark!
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:58
i didn't know that... but of course he would.
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kevinInStowMA:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:59
Thanks, Ken
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