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Today: How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past



Revisiting Feb 12, 2024 with astronomer Sam Lawler:

Debris Found in North Carolina Came From SpaceX Dragon, NASA Says (gift link, NYT, July 1, 2024): “An object found on a hiking trail west of Asheville, N.C., had traveled to the International Space Station, the space agency said.”



• From Scientific American, Satellite Mega Constellations Could Jeopardize Ozone-Hole Recovery (June 25, 2024): “Pollution from skyrocketing numbers of satellites burning up in Earth’s atmosphere could threaten our planet’s protective ozone layer.”

    --> (Paper referenced in SciAm above.) From Geophysical Research Letters, Potential Ozone Depletion From Satellite Demise During Atmospheric Reentry in the Era of Mega-Constellations (June 11, 2024):
With ongoing plans for many constellations of small satellites, the number of objects orbiting the Earth is expected to continue increasing in the foreseeable future. At the end of service life, satellites are disposed into the atmosphere, burning up during the process and generating aluminum oxides, which are known to accelerate ozone depletion.

. . . We find that the population of reentering satellites in 2022 caused a 29.5% increase of aluminum in the atmosphere above the natural level, resulting in around 17 metric tons of aluminum oxides injected into the mesosphere. The byproducts generated by the reentry of satellites in a future scenario where mega-constellations come to fruition can reach over 360 metric tons per year. As aluminum oxide nanoparticles may remain in the atmosphere for decades, they can cause significant ozone depletion.


Revisiting July 19, 2021 with Jon Fasman, author of We See It All:

• From Cameras placed all over are recording drivers’ license plates. Who’s watching, and should we worry? (Fort Worth Star-Telegram, March 27, 2024):
Last July, a license plate-reading camera in Española, New Mexico, misread the 2 on Jaclynn Gonzales’ plate for a 7, incorrectly flagging her car as stolen while she was driving with her 12-year-old sister. Gonzales was 21 at the time.

The officer who pulled them over, however, did not double check for the machine error before handcuffing the sisters and putting them in the back of his patrol vehicle.
License plate cameras help solve crimes, but are creating a backlash over privacy concerns (Chicago Tribune, June 17, 2024):
Alarmed by the reach and rapid expansion of these cameras, privacy advocates have filed suit in Illinois, saying the cameras violate the Constitution’s protections against unreasonable search. They say it amounts to a national surveillance system of innocent drivers.

. . . Critics are concerned that the networks could be misused, as when police have stalked ex-wives or romantic rivals by tracing their plates, or when the wrong vehicles are mistakenly pulled over.
FedEx’s Secretive Police Force Is Helping Cops Build An AI Car Surveillance Network (Forbes, June 20, 2024):
Forbes has learned the shipping and business services company is using AI tools made by Flock Safety, a $4 billion car surveillance startup, to monitor its distribution and cargo facilities across the United States. . . . [Also,] some local police departments are also sharing their Flock feeds with FedEx — a rare instance of a private company availing itself of a police surveillance apparatus.

To civil rights activists, such close collaboration has the potential to dramatically expand Flock’s car surveillance network, which already spans 4,000 cities across over 40 states and some 40,000 cameras that track vehicles by license plate, make, model, color and other identifying characteristics, like dents or bumper stickers.
Amazon-Powered AI Cameras Used to Detect Emotions of Unwitting UK Train Passengers (Wired, June 17, 2024):
Thousands of people catching trains in the United Kingdom likely had their faces scanned by Amazon software as part of widespread artificial intelligence trials, new documents reveal. The image recognition system was used to predict travelers’ age, gender, and potential emotions—with the suggestion that the data could be used in advertising systems in the future.

During the past two years, eight train stations around the UK—including large stations such as London’s Euston and Waterloo, Manchester Piccadilly, and other smaller stations—have tested AI surveillance technology with CCTV cameras with the aim of alerting staff to safety incidents and potentially reducing certain types of crime.


Revisiting May 8, 2023 with Nita Farahany, author, The Battle for Your Brain:

Your Brain Waves Are Up for Sale. A New Law Wants to Change That. (NYT, April 17, 2024):
The companies behind such technologies have access to the records of the users’ brain activity — the electrical signals underlying our thoughts, feelings and intentions.

On Wednesday, Governor Jared Polis of Colorado signed a bill that, for the first time in the United States, tries to ensure that such data remains truly private.

. . . Experts say that the neurotechnology industry is poised to expand as major tech companies like Meta, Apple and Snapchat become involved.

“It’s moving quickly, but it’s about to grow exponentially,” said Nita Farahany, a professor of law and philosophy at Duke.


Checking in on Silicon Valley titans hyping and overpromising AI - from April 8, 2024, the "outrage roundup" show:

CEO of Microsoft AI speaks about the future of artificial intelligence at Aspen Ideas Festival (June 25, 2024): “Mustafa Suleyman, the CEO of Microsoft AI, speaks with CNBC’s Andrew Ross Sorkin.”



Regarding the December 11, 2023 interview with The Dark Cloud author Guillaume Pitron:

Google’s emissions climb nearly 50% in five years due to AI energy demand (July 2, 2024):
Google’s goal of reducing its climate footprint is in jeopardy as it relies on more and more energy-hungry data centres to power its new artificial intelligence products. The tech giant revealed Tuesday that its greenhouse gas emissions have climbed 48% over the past five years. . . .

The tech company, which has invested substantially in AI, said its “extremely ambitious” goal of reaching net zero emissions by 2030 “won’t be easy”.
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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtiterators!
  6:01pm
David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Friends and bot lurkers!
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joe_rosevear:

Hello, Technicians!
  6:02pm
Deb from California:

Hi Everyone.
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Hey Mark and friends! Lurking while I cook dinner.
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Derek Westerholm:

Hello all!
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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joe_rosevear:

Hi, Mark!
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geospart:

Greetings from Northern FL
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark. Please show us where we're going!
  6:04pm
Triple G:

Hi Mark and all
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Spikey BXL:

Hey Mark, how it's going?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
joe mulligan:

dammit X! can't even say a letter nowdays
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joe_rosevear:

Cool. I didn't know that was a meme:

www.fastcompany.com...
  6:08pm
Dean:

Well, in fairness, the LA punk band owned the brand long before Musk.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
tim:

Hi Mark and everyone! I'm all ears for the Techtonic Gallows Humor show!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ joe mulligan @6:06
When referring to the former bird website, pronounce it "Icks," like as in "Ick!"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
ultradamno:

Sure you can...though people may think of the band or the slasher movie...or the older movie about Ray Milland having x-ray eyes
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
joe mulligan:

↳ Dean @6:08
good point! let's keep it that way
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joe mulligan:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:08
lol
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Ike:

I met someone else at ITAA wearing a WFMU shirt, and they didn't even discover ITAA from the Techtonic episode last year that covered it! internetaddictsanonymous.org
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Fuzzy:

I thought Xitter was pronounced "shitter..."
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! All! AI!
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geospart:

↳ Ike @6:09
I just sent a contact to you.. updated the m3u ... i had to rip apart the pls files..but hey
  6:10pm
Bort Simpson:

X? Oh yeah... I'm a huge fan of the Paranormal board as well
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
ultradamno:

I'd think that would be zitter...or hitter, depending on where you are.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Franco Twinkie:

Death by space junk - great.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
ultradamno:

Also, the Australian punk band (roughly the same time as the Los Angeles one)


Devo really owns the Space Junk early warning bona fides
  6:14pm
KWilde:

I’m near Asheville now. Looking up
  6:14pm
Dean:

And the homophonic Dutch band.
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tim:

Techtonic premium t-shirt: I Listened to Techtonic and All I Got Was Space Junk Upside My Head.
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Ike:

↳ Fuzzy @6:09
That's what I call it now!

Some of us have joked, "Thanks for ruining Twitter, Elon!" -- because now we can swear it off more easily. 11 days since my last slip and counting! Cheap trashy fast dopamine doomscrolling hits rewiring my brain, NO MORE.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
dale:

people who die from a satellite to the cranium are really dying for the good of humanity. i mean who hasn't benefitted from a gps or hughesnet tv?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Spikey BXL:

Ode to "Runaway collisional cascade"
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Joey C:

Hey Mark. Great concept for a show. So, it’s hit the lottery or the lottery hits you.
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VantuckyEd:

oh boy more ways to pollute the oceans and our air.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Eddie Murphy taps temple meme: Let global warming run wild and satellites will burn out on the way up.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
ultradamno:

I've been seeing a creepy Amazon ad on Freevee that boasts of how they use spyware to vet the veracity of the reviews and monkey with their placement. Like aren't you so happy we're applying all this scrutiny to you when you post the review we pestered you to write?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
San Pedro Girl:

Hi Mark and folks.
What about animals, nests plants etc…eff mee??
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!! Been listening... Way too many satellites... It takes 2 to collide, then we'll have a nasty collision cloud
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Bas NL:

Big fan of Weird Metal..
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ultradamno:

Weird metal mastodon.social...
  6:20pm
A➡B:

Good Evening Mark & Techtonians!
  6:20pm
Joe Junior:

Then vs. Now: "Biden announced, 'I have concluded I will stop being a candidate for president of the United States.'" -- News Journal (Delaware), Sept. 24, 1987 -- https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/10/archives-joe-biden-bows-out-1988-presidential-race/1693466001/
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joe_rosevear:

Here's a link to an article about the junk that hit the home in Florida. Perhaps this is the even that Mark mentioned:

www.cnn.com...
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Bas NL:

↳ ultradamno @6:19
Nice ultradamno! :)
  6:22pm
gabriel:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/16/dead-satellite-space-earth-magnetic-field
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VantuckyEd:

time to invest in 1000spf sunscreen.
  6:22pm
gabriel:

http://astroplane.org

this astrophysicist is doing the research
  6:23pm
?:

Aluminum oxide - sapphires in the sky!!
  6:23pm
A➡B:

↳ ultradamno @6:13
Zappa and Funkadelic were already on the Space Junk tip a whole decade before Devo ("Cosmic Debris").
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Bas NL:

Oxigene is the most abundant element on Earth; Aluminum is number 3. Can't de too bad.
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A➡B:

↳ A➡B @6:23
Oh, wait, correction: by just a few years previous.
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ultradamno:

↳ A➡B @6:23
But they had no Sally in theirs.

Damn Wang Chung has a Space Junk song too.
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ultradamno:

You need a smooshed Sally to really drive the point home
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A➡B:

↳ ultradamno @6:26
There's a Sally Ride ref in the Devo song? Did not know!
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joe mulligan:

I did get my stolen car discovered on the Verrazzano bridge by an ALPR, even tho NYPD didn't retrieve it for 4 months lol
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Dean:

I've had a similar experience with a camera misreading an E as an F. This was on a toll bridge.
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Franco Twinkie:

This happened: I was working on a TV commercial. We were sharing a hanger at the Hawthore Airport with something called Space X(?) it said so on a piece of cardboard taped on the outside of the hanger. They were building a rocket ship. I thought it was just another movie set. After all, a large part of the cockpit was made out of plywood.(!?)

There you go - they make their rockets out of plywood. So if one falls on your house, you can always salvage part of it for home improvement projects.
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ultradamno:

↳ A➡B @6:28
Their Sally ate it before that one went into training though
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VantuckyEd:

Agh Fedex. I got ripped off by the bastages 2 months ago. Needed overnight delivery. They delivered 4 days late & refused a refund. Crooks.
  6:33pm
yippie:

Thankfully America doesn’t require bicycle license plates (as japan does)
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tim:

Fed Ex cops? Friggin Pinkertons.
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joe_rosevear:

So we need a bumper sticker:

Flock you!
  6:38pm
A➡B:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:34
Porky's ref? ("GET THE FLOCK OUT OF HERE!")
  6:38pm
Dean:

I still don't get putting things in or over the ears. They all bug the hell out of me.
  6:39pm
yippie:

I try to keep iPhone voice control turned off, but My Sony bluetooth headphones turn it, and the voice control must be listening to me
  6:40pm
A➡B:

↳ Dean @6:38
That's one reason they made those bone conduction headphones.
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VantuckyEd:

Tommy Called social media and big Tech in 1969: "Put in your ear plugs, put on your eye shades
and You know where to put the ball."
  6:41pm
yippie:

That’s why apple took off the headphone jack to get people to use Bluetooth so they can spy more
  6:41pm
Dean:

I only enjoy bone conduction when I'm getting my teeth ultrasonically cleaned.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Listener Jonny in MA............. d-_-b:

Alrighty all!

I have a professional interest in learning more about the China AI-Brain Project.

I listen to the show regularly, but it only tonight struck me that I might ask this group here for input. ESPECIALLY if Mark H has direction to offer.

Thx.
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ultradamno:

Ack! Mandl's graphic for this week bsky.app...
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Ochre Ogre:

↳ yippie @6:41
Right, WTF, good point!
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DjLorraine:

↳ yippie @6:41
Oh, no wonder. I couldn't believe how many new phones did not offer a headphone jack
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joe_rosevear:

Hey that brain waves and Air Pods thing is actually exciting. Never mind the surveillance--yes that's bad. But what about the good? I see the day when it might be harnessed as a way to interface with a computer, or AI, using your thoughts!
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spodiodi:

🤫
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

I want AI to wash my dishes and clean my house so I have more time to make music.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:44
And they send the info they gather directly to the Central Scrutinizer!
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VantuckyEd:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:44
Yes but the communication is 2 way don't forget. You use it, it uses you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
ultradamno:

Judging from my you tube home page, AI is very good at envisioning current pop culture images as they would be in the 50s
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spodiodi:

why celebrate greed

foolish humans
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
ultradamno:

(well, maybe not so much good as prolific)
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joe_rosevear:

So, Mark, what do you think? You mean all the time I talked with PI, I was mistaken? There was actually nobody there, and I was talking to myself?
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Ike:

The silly AI hype is at 1630s Dutch Tulip-mania levels.
  6:47pm
Ochre Ogre:

F'k em Im not removing my FMU bumpers sticker!
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MarciB:

↳ Ochre Ogre @6:47
That's exactly what I thought!
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chresti:

Everyone that has a stake in AI are the boosters of AI, it seems. The snakes!
  6:48pm
Dean:

I bet this creep doesn't even know who Fritz Machlup was.
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A➡B:

↳ spodiodi @6:45
That's basically what Capitalism is all about: "Feed the greed"
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joe_rosevear:

What Suleyman means is that you, Mark, could be replaced by AI.
  6:50pm
Ochre Ogre:

↳ yippie @6:41
Hit me today, not being able to plug into desk speakers even.
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Mike Sin:

Everything you’re stating about AI and what the tech Bros hope to do regarding tracking, surveillance, And copyright Destruction Is very true. But… to say that AI will not have any positive affect on healthcare and treatments is a bit disingenuous.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Franco Twinkie:

I feel dirty, I need to take a shower.
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tim:

The reason I go to the library is because I'm NOT an intellectual idea machine.
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Ciggy:

I woke up this mornin' with the sundown shinin' in
I found my mind in a brown paper bag within
I tripped on a cloud and fell an eight miles high
I tore my mind on a jagged sky
I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
spodiodi:

slightly less obscene than crypto miners
  6:55pm
A➡B:

I just want to let Mark & everyone else know now that over July 4th I came up wiith a song parody of "Surfin' USA" that addresses the issues we discuss here on the show. I'm calling it "Surveillance State". I'll start writing up the lyrics as soon as they come to mind & keep all of you up-to-date on the progress.
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chresti:

↳ Ciggy @6:53
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, what condition my condition is in..
  6:56pm
Deb from California:

↳ Ochre Ogre @6:50
Maybe using music CDs and a CD player will be "safe" ... ? .... a "trip back to the past" ...
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ spodiodi @6:54
If only AI and crypto mining tech could cancel each other out.
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spodiodi:

the great audit never ends
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dale:

↳ Ciggy @6:53
do you really think kenny rogers got high? it's like chuck wollery singing 'naturally stoned' and now he's doing commercials for buying real gold and is a douche republican.
  6:56pm
Ochre Ogre:

Thanks Mark, great/dreadful info!
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spodiodi:

thank you, Mark(!)
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joe_rosevear:

Thanks, Mark, and Technicians!
  6:56pm
d.b.W.:

I'm not sure that is what the man meant, Mark. Think about the speed which with things are happening right now... It is entirely possible that all of our brains will become accessible and harvestable or connectable or whatever.
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listener 126464:

Thanks, Mark!
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tim:

Thanks for the show and the updates!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
  6:57pm
A➡B:

Thanks, Mark! Keep fighting the good fight!
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bleubombersune:

Mark Thanks always informative
  6:57pm
Hugo (NL):

Thanks mark!!
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San Pedro Girl:

Thanks Mark. Yikes!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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San Pedro Girl:

↳ chresti @6:57
Hi Chresti!
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Ike:

↳ Mike Sin @6:51
I’ll believe that positive effect when I see it. Right now, as the meme says, most “AI” is really just PISS (Plagiarized Information Synthesis System).
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spodiodi:

there is no going back. we are fucked
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Thank you Mark, great show!!!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:58
Thanks, Will :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, appreciate the comments tonight!
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chresti:

↳ San Pedro Girl @6:57
Hi San Pedro Girl!
  6:59pm
d.b.W.:

↳ d.b.W. @6:56
... in 2 or 3 decades, that is.
  6:59pm
Ochre Ogre:

↳ San Pedro Girl @6:57
S P Girl, hi bye!
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chresti:

↳ Song: "Honest Government Ad | AI" by "The Juice Media"
"in the chopper"
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spodiodi:

love is the answer
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ spodiodi @6:58
On this roller coaster ride, throw your hands in the air and scream loudly! 🎢
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geospart:

Greetings from Northern FL
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