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Favoriting October 3, 2022: Douglas Rushkoff on his new book, "Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires"

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Today: Douglas Rushkoff on his new book, "Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires"

• Here's the book on Douglas's site and also on Indiebound

• Excerpt of the book in the Guardian (Sep 4, 2022): The super-rich ‘preppers’ planning to save themselves from the apocalypse

• The Medium piece by Douglas (Jul 5, 2018) that formed the basis for the book

• Douglas's podcast, Team Human

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Listener comments!

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Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyon Drives!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Bogue Techtonillionaires!
  6:00pm
Rolando:

Greetings
  6:01pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
ultradamno:

Did I hear Space Ghost is going to be on Olivia's show next week? I hope he brings Zorak, that dude is hilarious!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Baja Joe:

Hello Mark and Techies
  6:02pm
JetBoy now of Astoria:

Good day all.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
The Count of Al Dente:

Now maybe I can get back into my listening routine, which was thrown off by the removal of Fabio.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
spacecadet:

hello all! excited for the show! Mark - have you heard of the prompt appearing in Google Message app asking users to "donate" their messages for Google research? it even has the gall to use the "giving" icon of a hand holding out a heart
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Handy Haversack:

Hey, ultradamno, David, Rolando, Baja J, JetBoy, Count. Gray greetings to you all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
ultradamno:

Hiya Handy!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonians!
  6:03pm
Bob From Vermont:

Yippy!! Another book report!! I love books. I'm going to tell my librarian about this show.
  6:04pm
Rolando:

Huge Rushkoff fan here !!! And regular listener of Team Human.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and tech skeptics.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
ultradamno:

Are these the five guys of Five Guys? I can see how they got rich
  6:07pm
Bob From Vermont:

What's the ISBN number of the book mark? We shall all buy zee book. Do they offer this amazing book on Amazon?
  6:07pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark and all! Listening in from Denmark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
chresti:

These are the guys that get eye surgery to make their vision super sharp.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Handy Haversack:

ISBN is in the Indiebound URL. Avoid Amazon, as the man has it:

www.indiebound.org...

Ave, Bas!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
listener 126464:

they were chopping it up, as the kids say
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Blobs:

@Mark did you go to Kraftwerk at Radio City in June?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry:

The Rich are just not Rich enough.
airoutslowly.blogspot.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining this evening!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

@Blobs no missed it unfortunately
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

@Bas that's great - say hi to Denmark for me
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
ultradamno:

There's instruction on proper slavekeeping in the bible
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Handy Haversack:

Totally fine with canceling Abraham. Been a long time coming!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
ultradamno:

...and Lot, "take my daughters...please" guy
  6:13pm
Old Dave:

A rant at the outset, love it
  6:14pm
P.Welles:

Its a fools bargain
  6:15pm
Bob From Vermont:

But Handy, I'm a technology lover and Amazon is full on wall to wall tech tonic. Tech everything. They use robots to pick my book from the hyper warehouse technology web and custom delivery systems vectors. The amount of tech they use to deliver my 1 book is insurmountable. It's the only way to avoid climate change.
  6:15pm
castor:

Hi Mark and everyone! Excited for this show.

Have you ever heard of/read the book "To Our Friends" by The Invisible Committee? I found a zine version of one of the chapters called "Fuck Off Google" which is a great, deep analysis of the tech dystopia facing us and the real agendas behind it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
The Count of Al Dente:

@Bas: Hi there. You should visit my cousin's English language bookstore in Aarhus.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Handy Haversack:

Well, the math checks out, Bob. I asked my robots.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
joe mulligan:

I LOVED the excerpt of this story in the guardian recently. Be nice to your security team today because tomorrow....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Mark Hurst:

@castor no haven't come across that, thanks
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
dale:

didn't the guest have a show here about 15 years ago?
  6:17pm
Rolando:

Castor - do you have a link?
  6:18pm
castor:

You can actually find the whole book for free here: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-invisible-committe-to-our-friends
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Mark Hurst:

another Palmolive reference!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Webhamster Henry:

EPSON actually has a class action suit against it because their not really empty ink cartridges are declared empty.
  6:19pm
Jackie G:

Like the way this guy says "Dude"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Handy Haversack:

Ha! More Palmolive per minute than any other show on the radio!
  6:20pm
yippie:

Thomas Jefferson even bought a bird from a slave
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
melinda:

hi friends
  6:20pm
P.Welles:

Good old Marge
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Handy Haversack:

Thanks, castor!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Doug in MP:

@dale - wfmu.org... Same name, no idea if it's the same person
  6:21pm
Jackie G:

Yup, we all got
"the wolf by the ears". So, now what?
Avatar 6:21pm
Fredericks:

First Rushkoff book I read was Coercion.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

RIP, Google Stadia. It was something for streaming video games. Who knew?
  6:21pm
Andrew:

Pretty sure that’s a primate impulse
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Webhamster Henry:

I'm going to get the audiobook of this because the enthusiastic former WFMU Dj Doug Rushkoff is narrating.
  6:22pm
Bob From Vermont:

I dip my fingers in palmolive, Mark. So creamy.
  6:22pm
Sam:

Hey Doug! Thank you for the nice card.
  6:22pm
Bas NL:

Hi Al Dente! What's the name of the bookstore?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Ken /Hyde Park Visit the Google Graveyard! killedbygoogle.com Too bad I can't post this on Google Plus.
Avatar 6:23pm
Fredericks:

Disney removes the trees then replaces them with plastic ones. Fewer leaves, I guess. Run off the birds and replace them with hidden speaks. No poop or feathers to clean up.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Doug in MP:

Don't mention it Sam. I feel so bad, especially for those that don't understand what happened.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
ultradamno:

Or hologram. We turn dead musicians into holograms
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
dale:

doug in mp - yesh. it's the same gentleman.
  6:25pm
P.Welles:

Dawkins is a fraud
  6:26pm
Jackie G:

Is Daniel Dennet still alive?
  6:26pm
Bob From Vermont:

Why are we talking about degenerate Epstein tonight? How unfortunate. Not sure how that ties into techtonic.
  6:27pm
P.Welles:

Bob, they are all connected
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Hi Hi Hi
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
melinda:

@Jackie G yes
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
joe mulligan:

he just tied it back, the epstein crew dismissed rusjkoff as a "moralist" as if it was something derogatory.
  6:29pm
castor:

I love how this show touches on so many different and heady topics through technology.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
chris in the redwoods:

oh my, Dawkins has an Epstein connection. yikes.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Handy Haversack:

Given how much of big tech's money comes from advertising, it's always worth remembering Galway Kinnell's line from The Book of Nightmares about "the ad-man, the anti-prostitute, who loathes human flesh for money."

Poets. You know.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Faye:

heard him on trueanon & loved it! glad hes back on WFMU great interview Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Mark Hurst:

@Faye thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
melinda:

That's fascinating, Bill O'Reilly was the only one
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
PaulRobeson1922:

1992 -Technopoly - The surrender of culture to Technology… By NYC’s own son, Neil Postman
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Handy Haversack:

"Two people quit": that's a win!
  6:33pm
P.Welles:

Postman!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
ultradamno:

You don't hear the words 'poor' and 'matt groening' put together very often.

For a reason.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
dale:

i got decruited from my advertising job and couldn't go back. became a housepainter/handyman instead. it's more fulfilling. you can point at what you did at the end of the day and see a difference that matters.
  6:35pm
P.Welles:

good one Ultra
  6:36pm
Old Dave:

Maybe Rushkoff is a new GK Chesterton, minus the Catholic thing.
The uber rich do believe in their supreme deserving to dominate,
and eugenics is a few steps off. Eugenics is the thing GKC warned us all about a century ago.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
PaulRobeson1922:

In Technopoly - Neil Postman writes “The promotion of one deity, even a technological one, requires the trivialization of all others…”

The people @thetop of Facebook choosing the Name Meta are purposefully co-opting the word… meta meaning The other side, metaphysical….
But T’why?
  6:38pm
kevlicki:

Hi Mark and all! Fascinating interview, stoked to check out Team Human.
@caster- I haven’t looked at the invisible committee’s writing since The Call and Coming insurrection. Will have to peep that
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
joe mulligan:

hell yeah! Joust forever
  6:38pm
Baja Joe:

Best guest ever
  6:39pm
P.Welles:

DARPA enough said
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
ultradamno:

We need The Shining in EVERY movie!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Handy Haversack:

Ha, Joe. Nice.

Poltergeist is really garbage. We tried watching it again a few years ago, and it's really not possible.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
ultradamno:

Poltergeist still ends with a broken home
  6:41pm
yippie:

Wendy Carlos who did the shining soundtrack is really too strict about copyrights on her music
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Handy Haversack:

Well, a broken house, at least.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
PaulRobeson1922:

The Moving Image is a bigger flop than the internet
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
melinda:

@Handy I've heard that from others as well, doesn't hold up.
Avatar 6:44pm
Barefoot Jimmy G:

His voice annoys me.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
PaulRobeson1922:

The moving image is the modern day golden calf
  6:45pm
kevlicki:

Don’t you go in to room 237!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
joe mulligan:

capitalism ain't gonna feed itself!! What do you hate America!!!???
  6:45pm
Rolando:

People unfortunately like to dish Abraham and the Torah, and they much don’t like to talk about scriptural or spiritual or about moral behaviour, but the truth is that the Torah and the Prophets retell the fall of man from and from the very beginning and his inability to “be kind” and “to do what is right”. The Tower of Babel was an early effort at mass surveillance and human control. If we continue to refuse to acknowledge the spiritual aspects of our humanity and futures, we will end up with a world aligned with a “Richard Dawkins” thinking. The Big Five nasties we like to pick on for good reasons are simply fresh tech versions of Lamech, who went around enslaving women, except now the big tech guys enslave everyone.
  6:46pm
Jackie G:

The remake of Poltergeist is terrible. The original movie was pretty scary back then.
  6:46pm
Sam:

People say the same thing about closing useless military bases - it will cost jobs! So we should just pay people to train for pointless wars forever.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

@WHH - Yikes, quite a list. They sure tried a lot of different ways to monetize peoples' data!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
joe mulligan:

haha so also world war IV will be with sticks & stones
  6:47pm
P.Welles:

Alan Watts video called Time and the more it changes deals
with some of these ideas
Avatar 6:47pm
Fredericks:

@6:44Barefoot Jimmy G: Then read the book.
  6:48pm
Old Dave:

Too fun, Mark. I am not halfway through Up From The Depths. Glad for the insight. Survival on my list but
Wendel Berry (next week) takes immediate precedence.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
melinda:

Great to hear Douglas on the show again.
  6:48pm
wind:

So good♥️thank you Mark.
  6:49pm
Jackie G:

This Rushkoff dude is a real character. I like him. He's got personality.
Avatar 🤖 6:49pm
herb.nyc:

Wow. Douglas Rushkoff and Mark Hurst talk, so totally interesting and commonsensical. Plz, those in power- listen!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Erin in TO:

Thank you for this interview, Mark, really enjoyed this
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
chresti:

Great interview! Thanks Mark and Douglas!
  6:50pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Happy Techtonic Anniversary, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Great interview!! Thanks Mark and Douglas
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Handy Haversack:

"Raise some heck to bring down tech!"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
chris in the redwoods:

for the record, i'm an atheist and pro-science guy. and i try to live a moral and ethical life. i don't think that is ironic or impossible. religions want to control you as much as tech companies.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
joe mulligan:

personally I think it would be more thrilling to survive with the poorest and tough out the raw and difficult circumstances with people who care about other people
  6:51pm
jeanne from NW CT:

Fantabulous interview! Thank you
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
PaulRobeson1922:

@Handy Havesack: can you tear down the T.V?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
The Count of Al Dente:

@Bas: Aarhus English Bookstore. Beth is the owner.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Handy Haversack:

I used to earn my summer folding money tearing TVs in half with my bare hands, PR1922.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
joe mulligan:

(meaning: after the apocalypse I wouldnt want to be in the billionaire bunkers)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Erin in TO:

@Handy if that had been an option in my town, I wouldn't have been working at Wendys
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Dano59:

radio bear also looks glow-y
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Handy Haversack:

Pledge link: pledge.wfmu.org...

Erin, when you love what you do, you don't even feel like you're working!
  6:54pm
jeanne from NW CT:

@Rolando: we don’t need the Abrahamic religions in order to be kind to each other or in order to have a connection to our ‘soul”. Team Human!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Erin in TO:

@Handy that's what they tell me, but I haven't found that job yet
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
The Count of Al Dente:

It is all clearly an economic issue. Computers can be a great tool, but they're certainly not needed by every person on the planet, especially smart phones.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Mark! And thanks to Douglas, too. Great talk and really enjoyable flow with the two of you. And of course, crucial stuff.

Erin, I hear you. Those golden days of ripping stuff up for fun and profit have faded into the past ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Ike:

"All Robot & Computers Must Shut The Hell Up" LOLLLLLL
  6:55pm
Old Dave:

@joe mulligan I need you to get over and experience being sprayed by a skunk here, as I was this morning. Suddenly my people and even my dog didn't care much about me...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
chresti:

I listen to Techtonic no matter what!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Dano59:

All Watched Over By Machines of Useless Waste
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Fredericks:

theweek.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Surrender of culture (& autonomy) to Technology….
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
chris in the redwoods:

Old Dave, baking powder, white vinegar and a bit of dawn-like dish soap. good luck, my man.
Avatar 6:57pm
Fredericks:

Rushkoff book recommendations: theweek.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
ultradamno:

Watch the Woodstock 99 doc series, that main guy could have been a tech bro
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Webhamster Henry:

I looked for it on Kanopy, and found this OTHER Boeing 737 Max failure doc: Boeing's Fatal Flaw
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Dano59:

tomato juice worked on my Australian shepherd, it will work on you Old Dave
  6:58pm
P.Welles:

Its all baked in our cake
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
PaulRobeson1922:

@Fredericks!! Thank you!!! His Top three are worthy and good and top
  6:58pm
Dean:

I fear that an overriding problem is that many of these corporate leaders believe it *is* their moral duty to serve their shareholders above any other segment of the population.
Avatar 6:59pm
dk50b:

Mark, FMU's transmitter is in West Orange radio-locator.com...
  6:59pm
Jackie G:

Who gets that 2.5 billion dollars?
  6:59pm
castor:

That was great, thank you!!!
  6:59pm
Rolando:

I’ve enjoyed over the years listening to D.R. and The Media Squat, I suspect it spawned Team Human show. Thanks for this interview Mark.
  6:59pm
wind:

Good night 🙏🏾
  6:59pm
Old Dave:

It's fine now, burned my clothes
Ah, nature...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
listener 126464:

Thanks, Mark and guest!
  6:59pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Programming note: This is not the Downfall that has the memes about Hitler. Thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
chresti:

I am imagining billionaires stuck together in a bunker and hilarity ensues..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
ultradamno:

See you all here in two weeks
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chris in the redwoods:

thanks, Mark! got a lot out of today's show. enjoy your time away.
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Fredericks:

Great one, Mark
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The Count of Al Dente:

You betcha.
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, appreciate your encouragement & good comments this evening.
  7:00pm
Sam:

Yeah Chresti especially when the champagne runs out
  7:01pm
Old Dave:

This will be a show to hear again, many thanks
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