WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from October 3, 2022

Listener comments!
	🤖 5:59pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon Drives!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Bogue Techtonillionaires!
	6:00pm Rolando: Greetings
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:01pm ultradamno: Did I hear Space Ghost is going to be on Olivia's show next week? I hope he brings Zorak, that dude is hilarious!
	6:01pm Baja Joe: Hello Mark and Techies
	6:02pm JetBoy now of Astoria: Good day all.
	6:02pm The Count of Al Dente: Now maybe I can get back into my listening routine, which was thrown off by the removal of Fabio.
	🤖 6:02pm spacecadet: hello all! excited for the show! Mark - have you heard of the prompt appearing in Google Message app asking users to "donate" their messages for Google research? it even has the gall to use the "giving" icon of a hand holding out a heart
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: Hey, ultradamno, David, Rolando, Baja J, JetBoy, Count. Gray greetings to you all!
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy!
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
	6:03pm Bob From Vermont: Yippy!! Another book report!! I love books. I'm going to tell my librarian about this show.
	6:04pm Rolando: Huge Rushkoff fan here !!! And regular listener of Team Human.
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and tech skeptics.
	6:07pm ultradamno: Are these the five guys of Five Guys? I can see how they got rich
	6:07pm Bob From Vermont: What's the ISBN number of the book mark? We shall all buy zee book. Do they offer this amazing book on Amazon?
	6:07pm Bas NL: Hi Mark and all! Listening in from Denmark.
	🤖 6:08pm chresti: These are the guys that get eye surgery to make their vision super sharp.
	🤖 6:08pm Handy Haversack: ISBN is in the Indiebound URL. Avoid Amazon, as the man has it: www.indiebound.org... Ave, Bas!
	6:10pm listener 126464: they were chopping it up, as the kids say
	6:10pm Blobs: @Mark did you go to Kraftwerk at Radio City in June?
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: The Rich are just not Rich enough. airoutslowly.blogspot.com...
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining this evening!
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: @Blobs no missed it unfortunately
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: @Bas that's great - say hi to Denmark for me
	6:12pm ultradamno: There's instruction on proper slavekeeping in the bible
	🤖 6:12pm Handy Haversack: Totally fine with canceling Abraham. Been a long time coming!
	6:13pm ultradamno: ...and Lot, "take my daughters...please" guy
	6:13pm Old Dave: A rant at the outset, love it
	6:14pm P.Welles: Its a fools bargain
	6:15pm Bob From Vermont: But Handy, I'm a technology lover and Amazon is full on wall to wall tech tonic. Tech everything. They use robots to pick my book from the hyper warehouse technology web and custom delivery systems vectors. The amount of tech they use to deliver my 1 book is insurmountable. It's the only way to avoid climate change.
	6:15pm castor: Hi Mark and everyone! Excited for this show. Have you ever heard of/read the book "To Our Friends" by The Invisible Committee? I found a zine version of one of the chapters called "Fuck Off Google" which is a great, deep analysis of the tech dystopia facing us and the real agendas behind it.
	6:16pm The Count of Al Dente: @Bas: Hi there. You should visit my cousin's English language bookstore in Aarhus.
	🤖 6:16pm Handy Haversack: Well, the math checks out, Bob. I asked my robots.
	6:16pm joe mulligan: I LOVED the excerpt of this story in the guardian recently. Be nice to your security team today because tomorrow....
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: @castor no haven't come across that, thanks
	6:17pm dale: didn't the guest have a show here about 15 years ago?
	6:17pm Rolando: Castor - do you have a link?
	6:18pm castor: You can actually find the whole book for free here: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-invisible-committe-to-our-friends
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: another Palmolive reference!
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: EPSON actually has a class action suit against it because their not really empty ink cartridges are declared empty.
	6:19pm Jackie G: Like the way this guy says "Dude"
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: Ha! More Palmolive per minute than any other show on the radio!
	6:20pm yippie: Thomas Jefferson even bought a bird from a slave
	6:20pm melinda: hi friends
	6:20pm P.Welles: Good old Marge
	🤖 6:20pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, castor!
	6:21pm Doug in MP: @dale - wfmu.org... Same name, no idea if it's the same person
	6:21pm Jackie G: Yup, we all got "the wolf by the ears". So, now what?
	6:21pm Fredericks: First Rushkoff book I read was Coercion.
	🤖 6:21pm Ken From Hyde Park: RIP, Google Stadia. It was something for streaming video games. Who knew?
	6:21pm Andrew: Pretty sure that’s a primate impulse
	🤖 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: I'm going to get the audiobook of this because the enthusiastic former WFMU Dj Doug Rushkoff is narrating.
	6:22pm Bob From Vermont: I dip my fingers in palmolive, Mark. So creamy.
	6:22pm Sam: Hey Doug! Thank you for the nice card.
	6:22pm Bas NL: Hi Al Dente! What's the name of the bookstore?
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: @Ken /Hyde Park Visit the Google Graveyard! killedbygoogle.com Too bad I can't post this on Google Plus.
	6:23pm Fredericks: Disney removes the trees then replaces them with plastic ones. Fewer leaves, I guess. Run off the birds and replace them with hidden speaks. No poop or feathers to clean up.
	6:23pm Doug in MP: Don't mention it Sam. I feel so bad, especially for those that don't understand what happened.
	6:24pm ultradamno: Or hologram. We turn dead musicians into holograms
	6:24pm dale: doug in mp - yesh. it's the same gentleman.
	6:25pm P.Welles: Dawkins is a fraud
	6:26pm Jackie G: Is Daniel Dennet still alive?
	6:26pm Bob From Vermont: Why are we talking about degenerate Epstein tonight? How unfortunate. Not sure how that ties into techtonic.
	6:27pm P.Welles: Bob, they are all connected
	🤖 6:28pm PaulRobeson1922: Hi Hi Hi
	6:28pm melinda: @Jackie G yes
	6:28pm joe mulligan: he just tied it back, the epstein crew dismissed rusjkoff as a "moralist" as if it was something derogatory.
	6:29pm castor: I love how this show touches on so many different and heady topics through technology.
	6:29pm chris in the redwoods: oh my, Dawkins has an Epstein connection. yikes.
	🤖 6:29pm Handy Haversack: Given how much of big tech's money comes from advertising, it's always worth remembering Galway Kinnell's line from The Book of Nightmares about "the ad-man, the anti-prostitute, who loathes human flesh for money." Poets. You know.
	6:29pm Faye: heard him on trueanon & loved it! glad hes back on WFMU great interview Mark
	6:30pm Mark Hurst: @Faye thanks!
	6:31pm melinda: That's fascinating, Bill O'Reilly was the only one
	🤖 6:32pm PaulRobeson1922: 1992 -Technopoly - The surrender of culture to Technology… By NYC’s own son, Neil Postman
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: "Two people quit": that's a win!
	6:33pm P.Welles: Postman!!!
	6:34pm ultradamno: You don't hear the words 'poor' and 'matt groening' put together very often. For a reason.
	6:34pm dale: i got decruited from my advertising job and couldn't go back. became a housepainter/handyman instead. it's more fulfilling. you can point at what you did at the end of the day and see a difference that matters.
	6:35pm P.Welles: good one Ultra
	6:36pm Old Dave: Maybe Rushkoff is a new GK Chesterton, minus the Catholic thing. The uber rich do believe in their supreme deserving to dominate, and eugenics is a few steps off. Eugenics is the thing GKC warned us all about a century ago.
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1922: In Technopoly - Neil Postman writes “The promotion of one deity, even a technological one, requires the trivialization of all others…” The people @thetop of Facebook choosing the Name Meta are purposefully co-opting the word… meta meaning The other side, metaphysical…. But T’why?
	6:38pm kevlicki: Hi Mark and all! Fascinating interview, stoked to check out Team Human. @caster- I haven’t looked at the invisible committee’s writing since The Call and Coming insurrection. Will have to peep that
	6:38pm joe mulligan: hell yeah! Joust forever
	6:38pm Baja Joe: Best guest ever
	6:39pm P.Welles: DARPA enough said
	6:40pm ultradamno: We need The Shining in EVERY movie!
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: Ha, Joe. Nice. Poltergeist is really garbage. We tried watching it again a few years ago, and it's really not possible.
	6:41pm ultradamno: Poltergeist still ends with a broken home
	6:41pm yippie: Wendy Carlos who did the shining soundtrack is really too strict about copyrights on her music
	🤖 6:41pm Handy Haversack: Well, a broken house, at least.
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1922: The Moving Image is a bigger flop than the internet
	6:42pm melinda: @Handy I've heard that from others as well, doesn't hold up.
	6:44pm Barefoot Jimmy G: His voice annoys me.
	🤖 6:44pm PaulRobeson1922: The moving image is the modern day golden calf
	6:45pm kevlicki: Don’t you go in to room 237!
	6:45pm joe mulligan: capitalism ain't gonna feed itself!! What do you hate America!!!???
	6:45pm Rolando: People unfortunately like to dish Abraham and the Torah, and they much don’t like to talk about scriptural or spiritual or about moral behaviour, but the truth is that the Torah and the Prophets retell the fall of man from and from the very beginning and his inability to “be kind” and “to do what is right”. The Tower of Babel was an early effort at mass surveillance and human control. If we continue to refuse to acknowledge the spiritual aspects of our humanity and futures, we will end up with a world aligned with a “Richard Dawkins” thinking. The Big Five nasties we like to pick on for good reasons are simply fresh tech versions of Lamech, who went around enslaving women, except now the big tech guys enslave everyone.
	6:46pm Jackie G: The remake of Poltergeist is terrible. The original movie was pretty scary back then.
	6:46pm Sam: People say the same thing about closing useless military bases - it will cost jobs! So we should just pay people to train for pointless wars forever.
	🤖 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: @WHH - Yikes, quite a list. They sure tried a lot of different ways to monetize peoples' data!
	6:47pm joe mulligan: haha so also world war IV will be with sticks & stones
	6:47pm P.Welles: Alan Watts video called Time and the more it changes deals with some of these ideas
	6:47pm Fredericks: @6:44Barefoot Jimmy G: Then read the book.
	6:48pm Old Dave: Too fun, Mark. I am not halfway through Up From The Depths. Glad for the insight. Survival on my list but Wendel Berry (next week) takes immediate precedence.
	6:48pm melinda: Great to hear Douglas on the show again.
	6:48pm wind: So good♥️thank you Mark.
	6:49pm Jackie G: This Rushkoff dude is a real character. I like him. He's got personality.
	🤖 6:49pm herb.nyc: Wow. Douglas Rushkoff and Mark Hurst talk, so totally interesting and commonsensical. Plz, those in power- listen!
	6:49pm Erin in TO: Thank you for this interview, Mark, really enjoyed this
	🤖 6:49pm chresti: Great interview! Thanks Mark and Douglas!
	6:50pm Deano de los Muertos: Happy Techtonic Anniversary, Mark!
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1922: Great interview!! Thanks Mark and Douglas
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: "Raise some heck to bring down tech!"
	6:50pm chris in the redwoods: for the record, i'm an atheist and pro-science guy. and i try to live a moral and ethical life. i don't think that is ironic or impossible. religions want to control you as much as tech companies.
	6:50pm joe mulligan: personally I think it would be more thrilling to survive with the poorest and tough out the raw and difficult circumstances with people who care about other people
	6:51pm jeanne from NW CT: Fantabulous interview! Thank you
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1922: @Handy Havesack: can you tear down the T.V?
	6:51pm The Count of Al Dente: @Bas: Aarhus English Bookstore. Beth is the owner.
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: I used to earn my summer folding money tearing TVs in half with my bare hands, PR1922.
	6:52pm joe mulligan: (meaning: after the apocalypse I wouldnt want to be in the billionaire bunkers)
	6:52pm Erin in TO: @Handy if that had been an option in my town, I wouldn't have been working at Wendys
	6:52pm Dano59: radio bear also looks glow-y
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: Pledge link: pledge.wfmu.org... Erin, when you love what you do, you don't even feel like you're working!
	6:54pm jeanne from NW CT: @Rolando: we don’t need the Abrahamic religions in order to be kind to each other or in order to have a connection to our ‘soul”. Team Human!
	6:54pm Erin in TO: @Handy that's what they tell me, but I haven't found that job yet
	6:54pm The Count of Al Dente: It is all clearly an economic issue. Computers can be a great tool, but they're certainly not needed by every person on the planet, especially smart phones.
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! And thanks to Douglas, too. Great talk and really enjoyable flow with the two of you. And of course, crucial stuff. Erin, I hear you. Those golden days of ripping stuff up for fun and profit have faded into the past ...
	6:55pm Ike: "All Robot & Computers Must Shut The Hell Up" LOLLLLLL
	6:55pm Old Dave: @joe mulligan I need you to get over and experience being sprayed by a skunk here, as I was this morning. Suddenly my people and even my dog didn't care much about me...
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: I listen to Techtonic no matter what!
	6:56pm Dano59: All Watched Over By Machines of Useless Waste
	6:56pm Fredericks: theweek.com...
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1922: Surrender of culture (& autonomy) to Technology….
	6:56pm chris in the redwoods: Old Dave, baking powder, white vinegar and a bit of dawn-like dish soap. good luck, my man.
	6:57pm Fredericks: Rushkoff book recommendations: theweek.com...
	6:57pm ultradamno: Watch the Woodstock 99 doc series, that main guy could have been a tech bro
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: I looked for it on Kanopy, and found this OTHER Boeing 737 Max failure doc: Boeing's Fatal Flaw
	6:57pm Dano59: tomato juice worked on my Australian shepherd, it will work on you Old Dave
	6:58pm P.Welles: Its all baked in our cake
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1922: @Fredericks!! Thank you!!! His Top three are worthy and good and top
	6:58pm Dean: I fear that an overriding problem is that many of these corporate leaders believe it is their moral duty to serve their shareholders above any other segment of the population.
	6:59pm dk50b: Mark, FMU's transmitter is in West Orange radio-locator.com...
	6:59pm Jackie G: Who gets that 2.5 billion dollars?
	6:59pm castor: That was great, thank you!!!
	6:59pm Rolando: I’ve enjoyed over the years listening to D.R. and The Media Squat, I suspect it spawned Team Human show. Thanks for this interview Mark.
	6:59pm wind: Good night 🙏🏾
	6:59pm Old Dave: It's fine now, burned my clothes Ah, nature...
	6:59pm listener 126464: Thanks, Mark and guest!
	6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Programming note: This is not the Downfall that has the memes about Hitler. Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 7:00pm chresti: I am imagining billionaires stuck together in a bunker and hilarity ensues..
	7:00pm ultradamno: See you all here in two weeks
	7:00pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark! got a lot out of today's show. enjoy your time away.
	7:00pm Fredericks: Great one, Mark
	7:00pm The Count of Al Dente: You betcha.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, appreciate your encouragement & good comments this evening.
	7:00pm Sam: Yeah Chresti especially when the champagne runs out
	7:01pm Old Dave: This will be a show to hear again, many thanks

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from October 3, 2022

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October 3, 2022: Douglas Rushkoff on his new book, "Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires"

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Listener comments!
	🤖 5:59pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon Drives!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Bogue Techtonillionaires!
	6:00pm Rolando: Greetings
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:01pm ultradamno: Did I hear Space Ghost is going to be on Olivia's show next week? I hope he brings Zorak, that dude is hilarious!
	6:01pm Baja Joe: Hello Mark and Techies
	6:02pm JetBoy now of Astoria: Good day all.
	6:02pm The Count of Al Dente: Now maybe I can get back into my listening routine, which was thrown off by the removal of Fabio.
	🤖 6:02pm spacecadet: hello all! excited for the show! Mark - have you heard of the prompt appearing in Google Message app asking users to "donate" their messages for Google research? it even has the gall to use the "giving" icon of a hand holding out a heart
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: Hey, ultradamno, David, Rolando, Baja J, JetBoy, Count. Gray greetings to you all!
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy!
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
	6:03pm Bob From Vermont: Yippy!! Another book report!! I love books. I'm going to tell my librarian about this show.
	6:04pm Rolando: Huge Rushkoff fan here !!! And regular listener of Team Human.
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and tech skeptics.
	6:07pm ultradamno: Are these the five guys of Five Guys? I can see how they got rich
	6:07pm Bob From Vermont: What's the ISBN number of the book mark? We shall all buy zee book. Do they offer this amazing book on Amazon?
	6:07pm Bas NL: Hi Mark and all! Listening in from Denmark.
	🤖 6:08pm chresti: These are the guys that get eye surgery to make their vision super sharp.
	🤖 6:08pm Handy Haversack: ISBN is in the Indiebound URL. Avoid Amazon, as the man has it: www.indiebound.org... Ave, Bas!
	6:10pm listener 126464: they were chopping it up, as the kids say
	6:10pm Blobs: @Mark did you go to Kraftwerk at Radio City in June?
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: The Rich are just not Rich enough. airoutslowly.blogspot.com...
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining this evening!
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: @Blobs no missed it unfortunately
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: @Bas that's great - say hi to Denmark for me
	6:12pm ultradamno: There's instruction on proper slavekeeping in the bible
	🤖 6:12pm Handy Haversack: Totally fine with canceling Abraham. Been a long time coming!
	6:13pm ultradamno: ...and Lot, "take my daughters...please" guy
	6:13pm Old Dave: A rant at the outset, love it
	6:14pm P.Welles: Its a fools bargain
	6:15pm Bob From Vermont: But Handy, I'm a technology lover and Amazon is full on wall to wall tech tonic. Tech everything. They use robots to pick my book from the hyper warehouse technology web and custom delivery systems vectors. The amount of tech they use to deliver my 1 book is insurmountable. It's the only way to avoid climate change.
	6:15pm castor: Hi Mark and everyone! Excited for this show. Have you ever heard of/read the book "To Our Friends" by The Invisible Committee? I found a zine version of one of the chapters called "Fuck Off Google" which is a great, deep analysis of the tech dystopia facing us and the real agendas behind it.
	6:16pm The Count of Al Dente: @Bas: Hi there. You should visit my cousin's English language bookstore in Aarhus.
	🤖 6:16pm Handy Haversack: Well, the math checks out, Bob. I asked my robots.
	6:16pm joe mulligan: I LOVED the excerpt of this story in the guardian recently. Be nice to your security team today because tomorrow....
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: @castor no haven't come across that, thanks
	6:17pm dale: didn't the guest have a show here about 15 years ago?
	6:17pm Rolando: Castor - do you have a link?
	6:18pm castor: You can actually find the whole book for free here: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-invisible-committe-to-our-friends
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: another Palmolive reference!
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: EPSON actually has a class action suit against it because their not really empty ink cartridges are declared empty.
	6:19pm Jackie G: Like the way this guy says "Dude"
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: Ha! More Palmolive per minute than any other show on the radio!
	6:20pm yippie: Thomas Jefferson even bought a bird from a slave
	6:20pm melinda: hi friends
	6:20pm P.Welles: Good old Marge
	🤖 6:20pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, castor!
	6:21pm Doug in MP: @dale - wfmu.org... Same name, no idea if it's the same person
	6:21pm Jackie G: Yup, we all got "the wolf by the ears". So, now what?
	6:21pm Fredericks: First Rushkoff book I read was Coercion.
	🤖 6:21pm Ken From Hyde Park: RIP, Google Stadia. It was something for streaming video games. Who knew?
	6:21pm Andrew: Pretty sure that’s a primate impulse
	🤖 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: I'm going to get the audiobook of this because the enthusiastic former WFMU Dj Doug Rushkoff is narrating.
	6:22pm Bob From Vermont: I dip my fingers in palmolive, Mark. So creamy.
	6:22pm Sam: Hey Doug! Thank you for the nice card.
	6:22pm Bas NL: Hi Al Dente! What's the name of the bookstore?
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: @Ken /Hyde Park Visit the Google Graveyard! killedbygoogle.com Too bad I can't post this on Google Plus.
	6:23pm Fredericks: Disney removes the trees then replaces them with plastic ones. Fewer leaves, I guess. Run off the birds and replace them with hidden speaks. No poop or feathers to clean up.
	6:23pm Doug in MP: Don't mention it Sam. I feel so bad, especially for those that don't understand what happened.
	6:24pm ultradamno: Or hologram. We turn dead musicians into holograms
	6:24pm dale: doug in mp - yesh. it's the same gentleman.
	6:25pm P.Welles: Dawkins is a fraud
	6:26pm Jackie G: Is Daniel Dennet still alive?
	6:26pm Bob From Vermont: Why are we talking about degenerate Epstein tonight? How unfortunate. Not sure how that ties into techtonic.
	6:27pm P.Welles: Bob, they are all connected
	🤖 6:28pm PaulRobeson1922: Hi Hi Hi
	6:28pm melinda: @Jackie G yes
	6:28pm joe mulligan: he just tied it back, the epstein crew dismissed rusjkoff as a "moralist" as if it was something derogatory.
	6:29pm castor: I love how this show touches on so many different and heady topics through technology.
	6:29pm chris in the redwoods: oh my, Dawkins has an Epstein connection. yikes.
	🤖 6:29pm Handy Haversack: Given how much of big tech's money comes from advertising, it's always worth remembering Galway Kinnell's line from The Book of Nightmares about "the ad-man, the anti-prostitute, who loathes human flesh for money." Poets. You know.
	6:29pm Faye: heard him on trueanon & loved it! glad hes back on WFMU great interview Mark
	6:30pm Mark Hurst: @Faye thanks!
	6:31pm melinda: That's fascinating, Bill O'Reilly was the only one
	🤖 6:32pm PaulRobeson1922: 1992 -Technopoly - The surrender of culture to Technology… By NYC’s own son, Neil Postman
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: "Two people quit": that's a win!
	6:33pm P.Welles: Postman!!!
	6:34pm ultradamno: You don't hear the words 'poor' and 'matt groening' put together very often. For a reason.
	6:34pm dale: i got decruited from my advertising job and couldn't go back. became a housepainter/handyman instead. it's more fulfilling. you can point at what you did at the end of the day and see a difference that matters.
	6:35pm P.Welles: good one Ultra
	6:36pm Old Dave: Maybe Rushkoff is a new GK Chesterton, minus the Catholic thing. The uber rich do believe in their supreme deserving to dominate, and eugenics is a few steps off. Eugenics is the thing GKC warned us all about a century ago.
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1922: In Technopoly - Neil Postman writes “The promotion of one deity, even a technological one, requires the trivialization of all others…” The people @thetop of Facebook choosing the Name Meta are purposefully co-opting the word… meta meaning The other side, metaphysical…. But T’why?
	6:38pm kevlicki: Hi Mark and all! Fascinating interview, stoked to check out Team Human. @caster- I haven’t looked at the invisible committee’s writing since The Call and Coming insurrection. Will have to peep that
	6:38pm joe mulligan: hell yeah! Joust forever
	6:38pm Baja Joe: Best guest ever
	6:39pm P.Welles: DARPA enough said
	6:40pm ultradamno: We need The Shining in EVERY movie!
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: Ha, Joe. Nice. Poltergeist is really garbage. We tried watching it again a few years ago, and it's really not possible.
	6:41pm ultradamno: Poltergeist still ends with a broken home
	6:41pm yippie: Wendy Carlos who did the shining soundtrack is really too strict about copyrights on her music
	🤖 6:41pm Handy Haversack: Well, a broken house, at least.
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1922: The Moving Image is a bigger flop than the internet
	6:42pm melinda: @Handy I've heard that from others as well, doesn't hold up.
	6:44pm Barefoot Jimmy G: His voice annoys me.
	🤖 6:44pm PaulRobeson1922: The moving image is the modern day golden calf
	6:45pm kevlicki: Don’t you go in to room 237!
	6:45pm joe mulligan: capitalism ain't gonna feed itself!! What do you hate America!!!???
	6:45pm Rolando: People unfortunately like to dish Abraham and the Torah, and they much don’t like to talk about scriptural or spiritual or about moral behaviour, but the truth is that the Torah and the Prophets retell the fall of man from and from the very beginning and his inability to “be kind” and “to do what is right”. The Tower of Babel was an early effort at mass surveillance and human control. If we continue to refuse to acknowledge the spiritual aspects of our humanity and futures, we will end up with a world aligned with a “Richard Dawkins” thinking. The Big Five nasties we like to pick on for good reasons are simply fresh tech versions of Lamech, who went around enslaving women, except now the big tech guys enslave everyone.
	6:46pm Jackie G: The remake of Poltergeist is terrible. The original movie was pretty scary back then.
	6:46pm Sam: People say the same thing about closing useless military bases - it will cost jobs! So we should just pay people to train for pointless wars forever.
	🤖 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: @WHH - Yikes, quite a list. They sure tried a lot of different ways to monetize peoples' data!
	6:47pm joe mulligan: haha so also world war IV will be with sticks & stones
	6:47pm P.Welles: Alan Watts video called Time and the more it changes deals with some of these ideas
	6:47pm Fredericks: @6:44Barefoot Jimmy G: Then read the book.
	6:48pm Old Dave: Too fun, Mark. I am not halfway through Up From The Depths. Glad for the insight. Survival on my list but Wendel Berry (next week) takes immediate precedence.
	6:48pm melinda: Great to hear Douglas on the show again.
	6:48pm wind: So good♥️thank you Mark.
	6:49pm Jackie G: This Rushkoff dude is a real character. I like him. He's got personality.
	🤖 6:49pm herb.nyc: Wow. Douglas Rushkoff and Mark Hurst talk, so totally interesting and commonsensical. Plz, those in power- listen!
	6:49pm Erin in TO: Thank you for this interview, Mark, really enjoyed this
	🤖 6:49pm chresti: Great interview! Thanks Mark and Douglas!
	6:50pm Deano de los Muertos: Happy Techtonic Anniversary, Mark!
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1922: Great interview!! Thanks Mark and Douglas
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: "Raise some heck to bring down tech!"
	6:50pm chris in the redwoods: for the record, i'm an atheist and pro-science guy. and i try to live a moral and ethical life. i don't think that is ironic or impossible. religions want to control you as much as tech companies.
	6:50pm joe mulligan: personally I think it would be more thrilling to survive with the poorest and tough out the raw and difficult circumstances with people who care about other people
	6:51pm jeanne from NW CT: Fantabulous interview! Thank you
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1922: @Handy Havesack: can you tear down the T.V?
	6:51pm The Count of Al Dente: @Bas: Aarhus English Bookstore. Beth is the owner.
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: I used to earn my summer folding money tearing TVs in half with my bare hands, PR1922.
	6:52pm joe mulligan: (meaning: after the apocalypse I wouldnt want to be in the billionaire bunkers)
	6:52pm Erin in TO: @Handy if that had been an option in my town, I wouldn't have been working at Wendys
	6:52pm Dano59: radio bear also looks glow-y
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: Pledge link: pledge.wfmu.org... Erin, when you love what you do, you don't even feel like you're working!
	6:54pm jeanne from NW CT: @Rolando: we don’t need the Abrahamic religions in order to be kind to each other or in order to have a connection to our ‘soul”. Team Human!
	6:54pm Erin in TO: @Handy that's what they tell me, but I haven't found that job yet
	6:54pm The Count of Al Dente: It is all clearly an economic issue. Computers can be a great tool, but they're certainly not needed by every person on the planet, especially smart phones.
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! And thanks to Douglas, too. Great talk and really enjoyable flow with the two of you. And of course, crucial stuff. Erin, I hear you. Those golden days of ripping stuff up for fun and profit have faded into the past ...
	6:55pm Ike: "All Robot & Computers Must Shut The Hell Up" LOLLLLLL
	6:55pm Old Dave: @joe mulligan I need you to get over and experience being sprayed by a skunk here, as I was this morning. Suddenly my people and even my dog didn't care much about me...
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: I listen to Techtonic no matter what!
	6:56pm Dano59: All Watched Over By Machines of Useless Waste
	6:56pm Fredericks: theweek.com...
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1922: Surrender of culture (& autonomy) to Technology….
	6:56pm chris in the redwoods: Old Dave, baking powder, white vinegar and a bit of dawn-like dish soap. good luck, my man.
	6:57pm Fredericks: Rushkoff book recommendations: theweek.com...
	6:57pm ultradamno: Watch the Woodstock 99 doc series, that main guy could have been a tech bro
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: I looked for it on Kanopy, and found this OTHER Boeing 737 Max failure doc: Boeing's Fatal Flaw
	6:57pm Dano59: tomato juice worked on my Australian shepherd, it will work on you Old Dave
	6:58pm P.Welles: Its all baked in our cake
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1922: @Fredericks!! Thank you!!! His Top three are worthy and good and top
	6:58pm Dean: I fear that an overriding problem is that many of these corporate leaders believe it is their moral duty to serve their shareholders above any other segment of the population.
	6:59pm dk50b: Mark, FMU's transmitter is in West Orange radio-locator.com...
	6:59pm Jackie G: Who gets that 2.5 billion dollars?
	6:59pm castor: That was great, thank you!!!
	6:59pm Rolando: I’ve enjoyed over the years listening to D.R. and The Media Squat, I suspect it spawned Team Human show. Thanks for this interview Mark.
	6:59pm wind: Good night 🙏🏾
	6:59pm Old Dave: It's fine now, burned my clothes Ah, nature...
	6:59pm listener 126464: Thanks, Mark and guest!
	6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Programming note: This is not the Downfall that has the memes about Hitler. Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 7:00pm chresti: I am imagining billionaires stuck together in a bunker and hilarity ensues..
	7:00pm ultradamno: See you all here in two weeks
	7:00pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark! got a lot out of today's show. enjoy your time away.
	7:00pm Fredericks: Great one, Mark
	7:00pm The Count of Al Dente: You betcha.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, appreciate your encouragement & good comments this evening.
	7:00pm Sam: Yeah Chresti especially when the champagne runs out
	7:01pm Old Dave: This will be a show to hear again, many thanks

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