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Favoriting July 18, 2022: Ben Tarnoff, author, "Internet for the People"

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Today: Ben Tarnoff, author, "Internet for the People"

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Internet for the People: The Fight for Our Digital Future, published by Verso

Nov 16, 2020 episode with Ben Tarnoff and Moira Weigel on their book "Voices from the Valley" - you can jump to the interview

Listen to Feb 4, 2019 interview with Susan Crawford, author of Fiber - here's the episode page

Nov 4, 2019 episode with NYC Mesh organizers Scott Rasmussen and Jillian Murphy

May 11, 2020 show with Jathan Sadowski, who is referenced by Ben Tarnoff. You can jump to the interview.

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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtopuli!
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Will a Sound Guy:

Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
  6:01pm
Robm:

Hello fellow techies
  6:02pm
Rolando:

Yay 😀
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ultradamno:

You scheduled an abortion. Planned Parenthood’s website could tell Facebook. www.washingtonpost.com...
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TDK60:

Hello Mark; been a little while.
  6:04pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Techtonet > Internet
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Will a Sound Guy:

Damn ultradamno, that's totally wack
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark! What fresh hell is this?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Hello
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
ultradamno:

@Will the author appeared on Velshi talking about the vulnerabilities of looking for abortion services in some states. Would make a suitable guest on here, if possible twitter.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Handy Haversack:

Hello, Mark and all the Techyon Drives! Glad to hear you again, Mark!
  6:08pm
morphe':

Studd's Terkell Chicago and the world..
Go Marrkkkk!!
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Picante Mint:

Hello, first time listener here.
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arb:

Hi Mark, looking forward to this!
  6:08pm
lazy p:

tarnoff, tune in, drop out
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Feldy:

My dad was in the Keys last weekend, too. Curious what you saw
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TDK60:

Mark, this'll be interesting. I'm reading The Ministry For the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson (sci-fi @ climate near future). A new sort of internet is created as non-commercial public utility.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
ultradamno:

...vulnerabilities of looking *online, that is
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Handy Haversack:

Oh, nice, Picante Mist -- welcome to the much-needed truth!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi people!
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Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining in this evening! @ultra @Will @Robm @Rolando @TDK60 @DiL @KfHP @webham @PaulR @Handy @morphe' @Picante @arb @lazy @Feldy !!
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Will a Sound Guy:

the truth is a spicy mint
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Mark Hurst:

@Picante Mint welcome to your first TT chat!
  6:11pm
Sam:

I envy people with no internet access. It sounds like heaven.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Handy Haversack:

Over the past couple of weeks, I have told two different people that I don't use a mobile phone and got both jealousy and admiration from them both.
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Picante Mint:

Thank you. I'm scared to learn the truth but here I am. :)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
DjLorraine:

Hi
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ultradamno:

Has anyone seen HBO's The Anarchists? Why are all these garden variety libertarians calling themselves that? (privatization talk got thinking about it)
  6:16pm
kevlicki:

Hello radio friends!
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Mark Hurst:

@Sam @DjL @kevlicki welcome!
  6:18pm
Robm:

@Ultradamno looks interesting might give it a watch
  6:18pm
yippie:

does discogs count as social media?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Will a Sound Guy:

truth right there... overpriced and slow
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Handy Haversack:

That's the one about the crypto libertarians in Mexico(?), ultradamno. No, I decided it was too depressing to contemplate. But also: for reals!
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ultradamno:

Yep, that's the one
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Webhamster Henry:

It was the same during the electrification era: it took FDR's New Deal's Rural Electrification Administration to to get that electricity to underserved, "unprofitable" sectors of the economy.
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ultradamno:

If you do, you might need a chart to keep the variants of John Galt based pseudonyms straight.
  6:22pm
Sam:

Such a no-brained for communities to offer cheap public internet without the corporate yacht payments. They should do the same for cable and Netflix and everything else people overpay for individually.
  6:23pm
Sam:

No brainer
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Webhamster Henry:

Here's Kingston's mesh network effort - kind of slowed down during COVID: kingstoncommunity.net
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Handy Haversack:

But remember: they are definitely not publishers! No way!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
ultradamno:

So it IS a series of tubes!
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Handy Haversack:

Sam, at this point it seems more likely that community govts. will just sell their citizens out to Google or Facebook completely in order to be a "smart" city.
  6:29pm
Sam:

Oh Zucky Boy…..
The pipes, the pipes, are callin’!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
ultradamno:

Amazon is like a mall that is designed to keep you turned around back to the biggest shop...so, a mall.
  6:34pm
GC in Oakland:

Online mall….reminds me of my own and others’ observation: Reality nowadays is a lot like the airport—almost zero non-privatized space, lots of surveillance and total corporatization, underpaid workers, etc
  6:34pm
Old Dave:

There's some truth.
Facebook is so ubiquitous in Maritime Canada that most businesses, churches and local governments don't bother to have a website.
It is frustrating to a non-user like myself.
You can only learn about local events, news and emergency updates through FaceBook.
  6:35pm
William Swan, Jr.:

Online mall ninja!
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Ciggy:

Ben Tarnoff sounds like the soft-spoken Attorney, Chuck Rosenberg.
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DjLorraine:

Ciggy i was going to say that!
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Handy Haversack:

The auto-response from Schumer's office when you write about bringing those tech regulations forward was a real hoot. He promises to monitor the situation closely.
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MyAcademy:

Anyone catch the name of that group of technologists pushing for positive legislation?
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Mark Hurst:

@MyAcademy you mean Lina Khan and the neo-Brandeisians?
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MarciB:

Another fascinating show and another book to read! Interested to hear Mark's take on the Keys. We were there once - it was lovely - and no internet service! But this was c. 2006 or 2007. Pre-smartphone!
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ultradamno:

Imagining Schumer staring blankly into space "I'm monitoring here!"
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MyAcademy:

@Mark Hurst, yup! I didn't quite catch neo-Brandeisians, thank you!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

If mosquitoes were blood -fueled hotspots, Florida would have pretty good internet coverage.
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Handy Haversack:

I feel like someone is terribly, chillingly working on that, Ken.
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Mark Hurst:

I read about a test of GMO mosquitoes in the Florida Keys. I believe Bill Gates is involved.
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Handy Haversack:

Probably Clippy too.
  6:42pm
Old Dave:

FaceBook is unpopular with my kids. It will die when people my age are gone, or sooner.
But then TicTok will do worse things to them.
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MarciB:

I have no faith in our congress to make the necessary changes.
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ultradamno:

Question Mark, I see what he did there
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Mark Hurst:

@ultra heh
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Mark Hurst:

@Old Dave true, unfortunately
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iiibeat:

Democracy can be much more frequent and direct . . BECAUSE of the internet. Let ME vote on issues WITHOUT BEING ELECTED!
The current functional form of democracy via electorate
systems is behind availability.
  6:44pm
kevlicki:

Webhamster Henry- that Kingston Community Internet looks like another Novo/Peter Buffet funded project. I really want there to be strategic thinking of how the “community” can create longevity for all these activities funded by the local billionaire. Philanthropy breeds co-dependence
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Franco Twinkie:

Am I wrong to think that this all beyond reform, abolition, reform? For all of us, there is gazillion people who love all of this just the way it is, and would defend it with their lives - most importantly every motherfucking legislator in this country?

Now, what about Florida?
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ultradamno:

The Onion on Tik Tok memes (to watch later) www.theonion.com...
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ultradamno:

Err, 'challenges' more than memes, I guess
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chresti:

Hi Mark!
It's free advertising for politicians-FB and all
  6:48pm
Robm:

I have no faith in our government at all, and no matter who is president its SSDD
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Handy Haversack:

Really good interview, Mark. Thanks for that -- and to Ben Tarnoff, too.
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chresti:

*that's a reason they might be reluctant about pulling the plug
  6:49pm
Sam:

And cats everywhere!!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark and Ben!
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melinda:

rotting kelp beach sounds like Maine
  6:53pm
kevlicki:

This is a tech show…anyone have a good rec for a SSD hard drive? Portability not necessary
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Franco Twinkie:

I would gladly scrap all the self serving nonsense I engaging in on the internet for true reform, but that's drug induced fantasy. I don't get to decide, and neither do you.
  6:53pm
PaulRobeson1922:

@Robm: let’s not worry Robm. Show us something new
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Will a Sound Guy:

kevlicki, I use samsung SSDs...
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Webhamster Henry:

@kevlicki yep there are NoVo fingerprints all over that.
It's a weird situation - a person with vast amounts of money, lots more than years of city and county budgets - funding stuff that always gets sidestepped by municipalities because of entrenched models and attitudes and people (aka old boys), and the general failure of politics to come up with these solutions. Many of his projects do have a goal of sustainability - but like a lot of things, there are tremendous starting up hurdles that keep projects like this from ever even being considered using the existing institutions. So it's risky and capricious - there have been situations where NoVo has pulled funding without any apparent reason - but then again what better use for billionaire's money? Building yachts too big to get out of the harbor? Vanity trips to space? I think of this more like Carneigie's building libraries all over the US.
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MarciB:

I'd love to do more about no plastic on beaches - but why are WE the consumers being helped responsible rather than the utterly selfish companies that produce them?
  6:54pm
Rolando:

Thankful for our clean Australian beaches.
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Webhamster Henry:

Those "ocean plastic cleaners - like recycling - is a licencse to dump more plastic in the ocean.
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MarciB:

I meant "held" not "helped"
  6:55pm
Jeff formerly from Rahway:

Mark, the amount of discarded plastic water bottles I collect every day on my neighborhood dog walk is staggering.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Suggested outro: "Bad Bad Men" from GWAR's This Toilet Earth album. Thanks, Mark.
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PaulRobeson1922:

@MarciB: yes- check out Cradle to Cradle: Remaking the way we make things!
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Franco Twinkie:

The world has become a plastic beach. That's ONE reason I don't go to the beach anymore.
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herb.nyc:

Am half listening. (Bec w mom) we mighta had a waterside cleanup on lower east side, last Saturday. Meanwhile corporations are pissing on us. Glug.
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TDK60:

Thanks, Mark, Ben.
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MarciB:

@PaulRobeson1922-thank you!
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Rich in Washington:

Makes me think of Dead Kennedys' Moon Over Marin
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melinda:

thanks Mark
  6:56pm
Dean from Old Bridge:

Mark always knows how to cheer me up. Seriously though, another great and informative show
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark & Ben!
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Will a Sound Guy:

Thank you Mark!!!! be well everyone!!!
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MarciB:

@Rich in Washington-yes!and thank you @Mark Hurst!
  6:57pm
Old Dave:

Island people are interesting. I just love them. Whether in the Philippines or Prince Edward Canada or Florida (I have a sister in the panhandle patrolling sea turtles in her retirement.)
They do the best they can despite us tourists.
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Will a Sound Guy:

Thank you Ben!!!
  6:57pm
Sam:

Thank you Mark, keep on truckin’!
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PaulRobeson1922:

Thank youuuuu <3 thank you Mark & Ben & WFMu
  6:58pm
kevlicki:

Check out the interview on Doug henwoods show

https://overcast.fm/+nQuVaKQH4
I think it’s Tariq Fancy’s discussion on Black Rock and the “logic” of the economy, tax what you don’t want to see in the world…
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Handy Haversack:

And that ethos of growth at any cost: that's capitalism. You cannot save it. It has to be destroyed if there's any chance of salvaging what passes for civilization.

Many thanks, Mark!
  6:58pm
kevlicki:

Thanks for this show mark!
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Rich in Washington:

Thanks, Mark!
  6:58pm
Bea:

Great show, Mark! Thanks!
  6:58pm
Old Dave:

Enjoyed as always, thanks
  6:59pm
hoeg:

thanks Mark as always!
very excited to hear more about mastodon and mesh networks, they're both on my to-do list already...
  7:02pm
morphe':

thans M anad allm
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
  7:02pm
Dean from Old Bridge:

a Celtic banger
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