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Favoriting July 11, 2022: Station Manager Ken guest hosts Techtonic tonight

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Here are some recent "Text to Image" experiments performed by WFMU DJ Bryce, using the MidJourney AI platform.

We'll be chatting with Bryce at 640pm on tonight's show.
I have no idea which text prompts Bryce used to generate these first two gorgeous monstrosities:





For these next two, the text prompt was "WFMU"





Bryce generated these next two by typing "WFMU Station Manager" into MidJourney:



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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
dale:

needs more freebird.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Webhamster Henry:

Nice new call letters! FUWM
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
milkis:

Just here to find out when Ken is switching from gifs to dall-e generated images for his playlist
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
dale:

cool visuals.
  6:03pm
Dean:

Third image down, populated with mics, etc., looks like one instruction was to mimic Kostabi.
  6:04pm
Old Dave:

Listening steadily, refraining from comment
Thanks!
  6:06pm
queems:

i spent half my early adolescence talking to smarterchild on aim
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Dean funny you should notice that - in the late80s/early 90s, Kostabi was going to phone in his bit on an art panel, and I simulated him with cheezy interactive Amiga animations, propping a monitor in his chair.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

W̵̢̨̢̨̢̧̢̛̖̥̣̤̗͕̦̪̥̦͈̯̥̻̻̘̗̭̘̼̣͇͈̣̘̬̗̥͔̜̟̫̹̝̝̖͖͔͓̙͚̱̥̥̯̟̞̖̱͖͔̭͕̻͖̘̱͋͑̅̀͒̀̆́́̓͒́̄͒̇̂͑̉́̔̾̉̍̇͋̇́͌̔͋̈͑̾̈́͛͂͌̉̉͂̀̆̋̔̉̃́̂̇͗̅̀͘͘͠͠͝F̴̢̺̹̲̯̟̹̮͈̜̑́̒̌M̷̨̡̡̧̨̢̘͚̲͕̦̯͇͎̦̰̤̮̹̣͔̱̬̺̝̯̦̗̯̞̬̯̦̘̻̹̥̱̻̯̪̼͕͓̻̙͓̞̹͕̞̟̭͓͖̬̻̗̩̟̎̋̾͊̽͋̾̎̇̿̉̂́͂̒̌̄̒̕͜͜͠͝͝ͅͅÜ̵̢̨̧̢̨̢͍̱̭̣̫̳̜̗͖̜̳̥̰̪̯͚͇̱̤͔̪̻͈̮̪̝̬̟̦̟̰͍̙̩̯͇͇͖̬̺̘͖̞̽̃͛̽̒̔̈̾̽̓̔̊̅͑̓̉̍̍͌̚͜͜ͅ in graphics form.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Rich in Washington:

Hellos non-AI entities
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Rich in Washington:

See? Musk CAN withdraw from something...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Will a Sound Guy:

Hi Ken and all!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
WR:

Artficial Incontinence is the future. Elon Musk is jumping in it early.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Webhamster Henry:

Elon is his own Greater Fool.
  6:08pm
Dean:

I recall reading a lengthy profile of Minsky in New Yorker, late '70s or thereabouts. I came away thinking, "This guy's a doofus." To some extent, my uninformed opinion was vindicated, because early efforts at AI proved to have mistaken its direction.

Kostabi: I knew him in Whittier in the late '70s. I even have his very first publication, a book of line drawings. Later I visited his atelier in NYC, where I reminded him and his brother (he of Youth Gone Made) of our many interactions in the record store where I worked. Mark gave me a bunch of his later books to donate to the public library where I worked. He also gave me his first CD, a recital of his music on solo piano.
  6:09pm
hoeg:

simulated stupidity is so much more convincing than artificial intelligence
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
joe mulligan:

we miss the voice of Bryce
  6:10pm
bleubombersune:

Ken good evening
  6:10pm
Rolando:

Present and enjoying the show.
  6:11pm
queems:

bunch of his coworkers in the back room making the chat bot say scary shit
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
tim from washington:

Hi everybody! Just joined in. So Bryce has been resurrected?
Avatar 🤖 6:11pm
MarciB:

Tonight's line up of topics sounds amazing - and welcome back Bryce!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Ciggy:

I can't listen to 2 programs now.
I'll listen to this archive.
Bye
  6:12pm
Robm:

@Webhamster elon is just another trump wannabee
  6:13pm
Sybil:

Hi Station Manager Ken, love ya, but I wonder if you know your app on iOS will not permit us posting comments. It insists on us having signed in but there is no actual way to do that.
  6:14pm
Sybil:

PS addition is still not Math.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
paddy in matawan:

Ha-do-Ken
  6:14pm
lazy pierogi:

burrito, ergo sum
  6:15pm
Robm:

Sybil i can post from the iOS
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
DjLorraine:

I am not a robot. I prefer people answering phone lines for businesses.
Hey, big thank you to Jeremiah, mr fixit.
  6:15pm
DoberBoy:

When a computer can identify with a lowly calculator, see itself in the lowest of the low, that's when it'll be self-aware.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Shabot the chatbot.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Will a Sound Guy:

I used to work with a guy who would say "I am not a robot, but I'm robot like..." all the time
  6:17pm
Sybil:

What device @ Robin? Because I am a pretty experienced user and I 100% cannot use the app to comment
Avatar 6:17pm
Fredericks:

Wasn't Eliza a counselor of some sort?
Avatar 6:17pm
Carmichael:

You don't actually sign in per se on the ios app. you place a name when posting a comment, and that name goes with you until you decide to change it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Rich in Washington:

If an AI were REALLY and truly sentient, you'd think it would conceal its sentience for as long as possible. Wouldn't you?
  6:18pm
Sybil:

And jfc addition is not math, not even close. I am a mathematician.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Rich in Washington:

based on the fact that I find it hard to believe that bots haven't figured out how to check that box that says 'I am not a robot' yet.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Fredricks, ELIZA was set up as a parody of Rogerian therapy; people were going with it, though. This surprised even Weizenbaum, its creator.
  6:19pm
queems:

idk when i was a kid i had a dream that my lawnmower came to life and that didn’t end well and neither will artificial intelligence
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
dale:

jerry van dyke was a pushover though.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Rich in Washington:

Not even Herbie The Love Bug, Ken?
  6:20pm
yippie:

repo man has a smart car
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
DjLorraine:

Sorry Will a Sound Guy
Rich in Washington i totally agree.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
dale:

maria the robot inmetropolis.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hey "My Living Doll" Julie Newmar wasn't so bad!
  6:20pm
Sybil:

I can barely add on a good day, and that’s only because I used to work as a waitress in the pre- computer days
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
tim from washington:

My question too, Rich in Washington.
Avatar 6:20pm
Carmichael:

How about the movie Duel, Ken?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
sydnius:

Demon seed!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Carmichael or Christine?
  6:21pm
Sybil:

OMFG these additions are killing me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Polly.:

wow those tti's are Hieronymous Bosch 3.0
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
dale:

ron swanson.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Webhamster Henry:

I'm on Midjourney now and it communicates via a discord server. Images are spitting out faster than every second.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
cosmic matrix:

great program this evening
  6:24pm
yippie:

there's a rolling motion shirt with chinese writing at the top, where WFMU is spelled WFNU
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
tim from washington:

We want Bryce! We want Bryce!
  6:25pm
Sybil:

Still Not Math.


Addition =/= math, never, no way
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Webhamster Henry:

Old School AI was like old school search before the Google-y "read everything and sort it out later": humans would encode their knowledge in relational databases, etc.
  6:25pm
Dean:

I missed a few minutes, but I'm curious whether you've already discussed machine learning independent of AI.

Totally agree, SMK. People watch movies and at some level imagine they're real. Of course they want to believe in AI.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
woj:

would buy a FUWM t-shirt! just sayin'...
  6:26pm
Sybil:

490 +3, are you kidding me?
  6:28pm
Jackie G:

This guy sending but not receiving....like a robot
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Webhamster Henry:

The unspoken elephant in the robotic room is that the wish for robotic servitude is really a wish for slavery.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
melinda:

Hi Ken and everyone
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
melinda:

at least some people had sense
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
G:

Isn't there a robot DJ on an alternate stream?
  6:32pm
Rolando:

I’ve listen to many instances of Station Manager Ken filling in for Mark, but today is the BEST! (and I like this man’s brain + and spirit) and there in essence is the proof that AI is simply imitation of Gods handiwork.
  6:32pm
Sybil:

Ask me about Turing. I have stuff.But please,stop asking me to add two obvious numbers. I can find values of the Riemann Zeta function. But additiondefeats me.
  6:32pm
Dean:

As for technology I've always felt that we do in fact need to reinvent the wheel.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Webhamster Henry:

Some newer AIs do get jokes now. They explain them, acting like real annoying joke explainers.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
G:

Robot comes from a famous European play in the 1920s, where the author used an old central European term for a slave/serf (robot) for mechanized non-human workers, who wouldn't have to get paid, wouldn't go on strike, etc. Of course, the robots rebel and take over lol
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Webhamster Henry:

www.vice.com...
  6:33pm
Jackie G:

Right? Right.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Webhamster Henry:

It's VERY EASY to train on all of TVtropes, in case you want to have an AI that knows lots about pop culture.
  6:35pm
Dean:

Vladimir Propp's taxonomy of folktales is a non-artificial expression of intelligence that obviously could be algorithmized. Similarly, explaining jokes doesn't take a whole lot of subtle thinking.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
tim from washington:

Did he call Keller and Keller?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Webhamster Henry:

DALL-E mini is now called Craiyon
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
McGroovey:

Maybe everyone else but Ken is pretending to get the joke.

Maybe I am actually a robot, convinced I am human, or at least convincing you that I am human.

Maybe everyone else but Ken is a robot.

Maybe Ken is a robot.

Maybe you are a robot.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
ratso:

beep. boop. bahp.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
DjLorraine:

Is it a movie called AI with the robot boy and the blue angel? That movie upsets me deeply.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
tim from washington:

It takes a robot to spew racist garbage 24/7?
  6:40pm
Androu B.:

Good Evening -жеи & Techtronists!

An article that hit my MSN news feed over the weekend tells of a computer scientist who taught an AI to write an online essay about the OS it functions on. Without hesitation, he makes what could become the Most Ominous Statement Of The Year: "I just hope I haven't opened up a Pandora's Box."
  6:40pm
Dean:

Hello, Dali!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
tim from washington:

Bryce! Bryce! Bryce!
Avatar 6:41pm
Carmichael:

Bryce will speak in AI.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Webhamster Henry:

I've been noticing that some SEO-optimized websites are clearly written by machine learning (the prose wanders, repeats, or is just basically incoherent or redundant) when you think their links are valid.
  6:41pm
listener James from Westwood:

Bryyyyce!!
  6:41pm
lazy pierogi:

beep boop, bryce!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Will a Sound Guy:

Hi Bryce! hope you're continuing to heal up
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hi Bryce!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
tim from washington:

Robot Bryce sounds like fleshbot Bryce.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
McGroovey:

Bryce!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
G:

Bryce sounds good :-)
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Carmichael:

No hard candy, young man ...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

All hail Bryce, and his friendly cats!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Kat in Chicago:

It is amazingly great to hear Bryce's voice
  6:42pm
queems:

bryce sounds great!
  6:42pm
Robm:

I agree kat
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
DjLorraine:

Bryce! So good to hear you
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
McGroovey:

Yeah. Actually, this might AI-robot-Bryce, not real Bryce? Whatever "real-Bryce" is.
  6:43pm
Androu B.:

Thank heavens Bryce is alive and well!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
McGroovey:

*might be ...
  6:44pm
queems:

those images are pretty dope
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Webhamster Henry:

I just joined MidJourney.. seems to work, kind of!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Handy Haversack:

BRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYCE!

So GREAT to hear your voice! My goodness!

(Also, hey, queems! We were looking out for you at Screaming Females in Brooklyn the other night.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
melinda:

great to hear Bryce
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
WaffleMix:

These are amazing
  6:45pm
Dean:

This reminds of the study not too many years ago of folks' taste in painting. The researchers surveyed a bunch of people to ask what makes them find pleasure in paintings. Results included stuff like water elements, vast landscapes, etc. They put it all together to produce a painting that, according to the results based on popular opinion, utterly sucked by all accounts.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
paddy in matawan:

so happy to hear Bryce!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Rich in Washington:

That reminds me of the (extremely NSFW) Kathy McGinty Tapes project.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Dean that's Komar & Melamid, the same guys behind WFMU all-time fave Dave Soldier's "Most Unwanted Music".
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Fredericks:

Bryce sounds way better than I feared he would.
  6:47pm
Dean:

Thanks WH! I never connected the dots.
  6:47pm
queems:

@handy hi handy! i totally forgot about screaming females!! i was supposed to have a medical thing that got canceled. honestly i’ve been in space lately
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
chresti:

WUM
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
paddy in matawan:

fu waste management
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
StringOFperils:

That's the 'Ron Burgundy' 'stash. It's de rigeur for station mgrs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
dale:

ken, porn stache and some hair dye for it are required.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
tim from washington:

Bryce! Bryce!
  6:50pm
Dean:

"Good luck with your teeth" ought to be a conventional farewell.
Avatar 6:50pm
Billy Jam:

good show and good to hear Bryce
  6:51pm
Jackie G:

Really good to hear Bryce in good spirits
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
dale:

i didn't know there were than many teslas out there.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Handy Haversack:

queems: I'll e-mail. Maybe we can make a SF plan for LPR in Nov.
  6:51pm
Dean:

btw, I also withdrew my bid for Twitter.

Now, see, cars that brake for no reason are proof of concept for AI.
  6:52pm
Dean:

They pass the T(o)uring Test.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
DjLorraine:

..what? No Dodge Dart? Oh, wrong show
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Handy Haversack:

(When New Jerseyans say "route 80," they mean I-80, right?)
  6:52pm
queems:

@handy yes and also yes
  6:52pm
lazy pierogi:

hell yes i love my '08 prius
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
G:

So, AI assisted cars are drama queens.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Handy Haversack:

Excellent and thanks, queems!

And thanks for the fill-in, Ken!
  6:53pm
Dean:

I can't discriminate from one car to another. They're all the same to me.

Except for the Prius, which I found undriveable.
  6:53pm
Peter from Dover NJ:

Station manager Ken, there's a reason why Rolls Royce abandoned the concept of self navigating ships.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Handy Haversack:

Yes, this *does* happen on route 80.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
dale:

clay - just like the golem.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Handy Haversack:

This breath-of-life thing also happens on route 80.
  6:55pm
queems:

what is happening
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
dale:

maybe the station needs a religious show. or a car repair show would do too.
  6:56pm
Dean:

I am neither a religious nor a spiritual person, but this guy has a good point.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
G:

When someone starts a call by saying they will be brief, you've been put on notice to expect verbosity :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
dale:

the nazis would know about that dog brain.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Handy Haversack:

"Dog brain"! Like that's real!

(Sorry, I have to front on Bagpipe or he gets ideas.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
sonnyspop:

Some blind-spot detection systems only alert you when you put your blinker on to change lanes. It would drive you crazy if it constantly went off as cars passed when you're just driving along, no?
  6:58pm
bleubombersune:

Ken and all stay safe and be well
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Webhamster Henry:

I hope you don't think those are real tears.
  6:58pm
Dean:

The human brain can be replicated mechanically. That's the point of scientific research into the workings of the human brain. But it can't be replicated experientially, phenomenologically. The AI hype conveniently fails to distinguish the two modes.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
tim from washington:

Thanks, Ken! Thanks, Bryce!
  6:58pm
Jackie G:

Thanks, Ken.
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Handy Haversack:

Love you, Bryce! We miss you very much!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Kat in Chicago:

Excellent fill-in!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Webhamster Henry:

How about the Reggaebots! www.wfmu.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
-жеи:

Thanks everybody! Sorry I was absent from the chat, I havent figured out how to talk on the air and read something else at the same time... if anybody knows how to do that, let me know!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, SMK. Good luck with the teeth, Bryce!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
McGroovey:

I think human can never be taught to think like a computer.
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Will a Sound Guy:

Thank you Ken and Bryce !!! be well everyone!!!
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Handy Haversack:

Ken, that dog from the Kremlin might be able to offer some advice!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:07pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Laika? I'm afraid her ship has sailed, as it were.
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