WFMU: Ridgewood Radio with David Weinstein: Playlist from November 11, 2020

Listener comments!
	5:01pm ruth: Hi any and every one. Here for another installment of Ridgewood Radio.
	🥁 5:02pm david w: Hi, ruth at a safe distance!
	5:04pm ruth: Hi David!
	5:10pm ruth: That place Hotel Utah is near where my studio was in SF in olden times.
	5:12pm heinseng: Not sure about the Montana telephone operator, but Navajo code talkers defeated the Nazis!
	🥁 5:14pm david w: heinseng! Yes, one of the great chapters in centuries of bad ones.
	5:16pm heinseng: @Ruth: SoMa huh? how far back in the day?
	5:17pm northguineahills: Listening from a rest area!
	🥁 5:19pm david w: ngh, have some noise with your burger.
	5:23pm ruth: @heinseng '77-'80 I was in No. Cal. and SF.
	🥁 5:24pm WR: Present.
	🥁 5:26pm david w: WR, participant in good standing!
	5:29pm ruth: hey WR
	5:30pm ruth: ngh! commuting?
	5:33pm northguineahills: Nah, just homeless. But I had a third interview today for a good paying remote job. The fourth is Friday. Selling most of my records, so, I’ll let you know after I go through them remotely where my friend is storing them.
	🥁 5:34pm david w: ngh! good luck with this!
	5:36pm ruth: @ngh Oh no. That's rough.
	5:37pm Webhamster Henry: Hi David & Ruth!
	5:38pm ruth: Hi w.hamster
	5:38pm Webhamster Henry: I did an app with Verna Gillis - now out of the store though.
	5:38pm Dave in St Albans UK: Hi David. Made it to the show, live, a real treat :-)
	🥁 5:39pm david w: Henry! You and Ruth seem to have been everywhere!
	5:40pm ruth: Hiya Dave.
	🥁 5:40pm david w: Welcome Dave in St. A, glad to do this in real time with you.
	🥁 5:44pm david w: Teitelbaum lays back in the texture, as he always seems to, even with Cyrille brushwork.
	5:44pm Dave in St Albans UK: @ruth Hiya!
	5:47pm Webhamster Henry: @DW it's easy when you are 197 years old.
	🥁 5:49pm david w: Ah, but Henry you have the curiosity of a teenager.
	5:50pm ruth: @WebhamsterH David's only 196 and most of his travels were done on tour so he didn't really notice where they were.
	🥁 5:51pm david w: So true.
	5:51pm ruth: Is Cecilia playing one of her sound objects here or just her comp?
	🥁 5:53pm david w: I believe, and the info is vague, that this is an out-of-the-box synth.
	5:53pm ruth: ah Thnx D
	6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Still, there's lots I've missed, so : this show.
	6:03pm Ike: Hello. This sounds good.
	🥁 6:04pm david w: Henry, so nice of you. And Ike... yaaaay!
	6:04pm Honeybear: @ngh - living in your car? for real?
	6:05pm spodiodi: hi hi david w and all! glad to be listening again
	🥁 6:11pm david w: Welcome Honeybear and spodi! Glad to have you along! (and don't worry about ngh, a very resourceful person).
	6:15pm Honeybear: I lived in a car for a few months. It was actually kind of okay. A stoic experience, to be sure
	6:15pm ⓘⓚⓔ: Good luck @NGH. I've been there and done that (briefly, though it was a long time ago), so I can relate.
	6:18pm Honeybear: but interviewing... I hate, hate, hate interviewing. nothing makes me feel more lousy about myself than interviewing
	6:18pm \ⓔⓘⓚ/: Me too!
	6:19pm Webhamster Henry: Interviewing: bad enough, but "programming tests" - bleah.
	🥁 6:19pm david w: One trick there. When in doubt, ask them about their shoes.
	6:20pm northguineahills: Yeah, since Sunday.. I have enough for a hotel for my job interview on Friday, but saving for that. Still waiting on word on my unemployment status (it’s been a week since I applied, and it’s still, “pending”.
	6:20pm northguineahills: Marina!
	6:28pm ruth: Had to get up and do some cat feeding! Hi Honeyb. & ike
	6:30pm βrian: Programming tests are interesting, but involve way too much overhead.
	🥁 6:35pm david w: Thank you, βrian. I'm sure Henry will feel you.
	6:35pm βrian: @Webhamster: [Wait, maybe I misunderstood what kind of test you meant.]
	6:35pm Webhamster Henry: Ooh: upcoming Susie Ibarra show on the Stork Club.
	6:36pm Honeybear: @ngh - if it's NYS (re: benefits) then just hang in there (and be gently persistent) - they're mega-swamped but they do seem to be more or less on top of things
	6:37pm Honeybear: In other states, I've heard the situation is quite messed up (unfortunately)
	6:37pm Webhamster Henry: @βrian: they are little tests where they ignore the fact that you've been programming for 50 years.
	6:38pm βrian: Now, which states have the most messed up benefits systems, I wonder ...?
	6:38pm northguineahills: @Honeybear: Unfortunately, I’m in FL these days.
	6:38pm Honeybear: @ngh - ouch - that's one of the worst states from what I hear!
	6:39pm Webhamster Henry: OTHO, one of those tests was "Make an app hat uses the New York Times API", and I wrote the unreleaseable "All The News That's Fit To Fake". Didn't get that job, but that app is fun!
	6:41pm βrian: @Webhamster: I thought you meant unit tests. I've been involved in lots of interview processes. We never considered that kind of testing, as it would imply we were completely clueless. The cover letter was essential, though. Natural language matters.
	🥁 6:44pm WR: Sorry not fully engaged, but listening and enjoying and happy that the musicians are benefitting from bandcamp.
	6:44pm Honeybear: My favorite take-home experience was when they asked me to go scrape some (moderately complicated) website, only to "discover" (with a fair amount of careful, exacting effort mind you) ...
	6:45pm Honeybear: ...that their instructions were woefully out of date, and the stuff they "challenged" me to go get for them was no longer present (and likely had not been for quite some time).
	6:46pm Honeybear: "sorry" they said through some low-level HR drone
	6:47pm Webhamster Henry: A lot of the interviews were with startups with Potemkin village websites.
	6:47pm Honeybear: @βrian - your interviewing policies sound to be the inverse of those in use at so many places I've talked to or worked at
	6:48pm Honeybear: "Why do we mindlessly torture all these people who want to come work with us? Because everyone else is doing it, so that means we have to as well, right?"
	6:49pm Webhamster Henry: @Honeybear - often it's a prerequisite from investors.
	6:51pm βrian: Do they test well or do they think well?
	6:51pm Honeybear: "Natural language skills? We can barely communicate grammatically ourselves. Why should any of that stuff matter to what we do here?"
	6:52pm Webhamster Henry: I like the dotcom era "5 years of HTML" when there hadn't been 5 years of HTML yet.
	6:52pm spodiodi: haha
	6:53pm northguineahills: I usually have a hard time sleeping in ideal circumstances.. but parking near the truck lot, the symphony drone of truck engines puts me to sleeps I have my field recorder around here somewhere....
	6:53pm Webhamster Henry: Neighbor's Truck Noise.
	🥁 6:53pm david w: Hey, I got sacked by a moron HR person at Sesame Street years ago and my job was to photograph puppets!
	6:54pm βrian: Oh, how that will change when those rigs are all electric.
	6:54pm spodiodi: "do you know X?" "i can learn and use X, or any other popular flavor du jour" <-- say it confidently, with a hint of being bothered that they're even asking you
	6:55pm Webhamster Henry: Most of a programming day is doing what I'm doing now: downloading system software and whacking at outdated prerequisites. Also: rewriting Stackoverflow example code.
	6:55pm ruth: @DW You photographed puppets? I never knew! Honestly you're a pretty bad photographer...
	🥁 6:56pm david w: This is just getting good, but time is up. Thank you all! ngh, best luck to you and everybody take care!
	6:57pm ruth: I second that emotion See ya all next time!
	6:57pm spodiodi: thanks, david! good luck, ngh!
	6:58pm Honeybear: @davidw - it's my first time tuning in (realtime) + am liking very much what I'm hearing. till next time!
	6:58pm Webhamster Henry: Let's all hire each other!
	6:58pm spodiodi: i'm hired! w00t!
	6:58pm Honeybear: @ngh - be careful out there! + let us know how you're doing please
	6:59pm spodiodi: ngh -- what Honeybear said -- we are here, mon
	7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Catch ya next week!
	🥁 7:00pm david w: good people, thank you.
	🥁 8:06pm WR: Thank you.

Ridgewood Radio with David Weinstein: Playlist from November 11, 2020

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Ridgewood Radio features concert recordings by adventurous bands and experimental musicians and restored archival tapes from private and institutional collections captured at venues large and small across the five boroughs of New York. It is produced by David Weinstein and Outpost Artists Resources operating out of the Ridgewood section of Queens, NY, where you'll find more yellow bricks than on the road to Oz and the cemetery of your choice is never more than a few blocks from home.

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November 11, 2020: Switched Around

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Musical electronics with skill and imagination and some unusual partnerships,
from Miguel Frasconi/Bob Ostertag/J.A. Deane, Cecilia Lopez & Wenchi Lazo,
Andrew Cyrille & Richard Teitelbaum, Tyshawn Sorey, Tom Hamilton & William Hooker,
and Marina Rosenfeld. Image: Native American telephone switchboard operator,
Helen of Many Glacier Hotel, Montana, 1925, likely staged, but still...

Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
Carl Stone	Han Yan "Han Yan" by "Carl Stone"	Himalaya	Unseen Worlds	2019	Sliced from Congolese guitar & vocal melodies.
Music behind DJ:	DW speaks "DW speaks"					0:03:39 (Pop-up)
J.A. Deane, Miguel Frasconi, Bob Ostertag	Sample This, Mother Fucker!	Live Concert	Collection of the artists/YouTube	1995	Three masters of sampling in a trio of Ensoniq ASR10 keyboards recorded at Hotel Utah, SF, January 1995.	0:06:51 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ:	DW speaks "DW speaks"					0:35:00 (Pop-up)
Andrew Cyrille & Richard Teitelbaum	Sliding on a Bubble	Double Clutch	Silkheart Records/Bandcamp	1981	Cyrille, drums/percussion; Teitelbaum, electronics. Recorded at New York’s legendary multicultural music space, Soundscape, on Valentine's Day 1981.	0:38:06 (Pop-up)
Cecilia Lopez & Wenchi Lazo	Inercia de burro	BISPONIBLE	Anticausal Systems/Bandcamp	2020	Sound artist/composer Lopez, synthesizer; guitarist/composer Lazo, drum machine and software.	0:47:57 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ:	DW speaks "DW speaks"					0:58:35 (Pop-up)
Marina Rosenfeld	Concert Recording	Roulette Concert Series	Roulette Archive	13 June 2008	Composer Rosenfeld with Raz Mesinai (computer) for voice, turntables, processing, and trumpet, Ari Fento.	1:01:45 (Pop-up)
Tyshawn Sorey	Obsidian "Obsidian" by "Tyshawn Sorey"	Verisimilitude	Pi Records/Bandcamp	2017	Composer Sorey on drums, percussion; Cory Smythe, piano, toy piano, electronics; Chris Tordini, bass.	1:17:59 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ:	DW speaks "DW speaks"					1:36:08 (Pop-up)
Bruce Eisenbeil, Tom Hamilton, William Hooker	Concert Recording	Roulette Concert Series	Roulette Archive	3 Oct 2009	The duo of Hamilton, Nord modular synthesizer, and Eisenbeil, guitar, joined by percussionist Hooker.	1:38:55 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ:	DW speaks "DW speaks"					1:57:10 (Pop-up)


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Listener comments!
	5:01pm ruth: Hi any and every one. Here for another installment of Ridgewood Radio.
	🥁 5:02pm david w: Hi, ruth at a safe distance!
	5:04pm ruth: Hi David!
	5:10pm ruth: That place Hotel Utah is near where my studio was in SF in olden times.
	5:12pm heinseng: Not sure about the Montana telephone operator, but Navajo code talkers defeated the Nazis!
	🥁 5:14pm david w: heinseng! Yes, one of the great chapters in centuries of bad ones.
	5:16pm heinseng: @Ruth: SoMa huh? how far back in the day?
	5:17pm northguineahills: Listening from a rest area!
	🥁 5:19pm david w: ngh, have some noise with your burger.
	5:23pm ruth: @heinseng '77-'80 I was in No. Cal. and SF.
	🥁 5:24pm WR: Present.
	🥁 5:26pm david w: WR, participant in good standing!
	5:29pm ruth: hey WR
	5:30pm ruth: ngh! commuting?
	5:33pm northguineahills: Nah, just homeless. But I had a third interview today for a good paying remote job. The fourth is Friday. Selling most of my records, so, I’ll let you know after I go through them remotely where my friend is storing them.
	🥁 5:34pm david w: ngh! good luck with this!
	5:36pm ruth: @ngh Oh no. That's rough.
	5:37pm Webhamster Henry: Hi David & Ruth!
	5:38pm ruth: Hi w.hamster
	5:38pm Webhamster Henry: I did an app with Verna Gillis - now out of the store though.
	5:38pm Dave in St Albans UK: Hi David. Made it to the show, live, a real treat :-)
	🥁 5:39pm david w: Henry! You and Ruth seem to have been everywhere!
	5:40pm ruth: Hiya Dave.
	🥁 5:40pm david w: Welcome Dave in St. A, glad to do this in real time with you.
	🥁 5:44pm david w: Teitelbaum lays back in the texture, as he always seems to, even with Cyrille brushwork.
	5:44pm Dave in St Albans UK: @ruth Hiya!
	5:47pm Webhamster Henry: @DW it's easy when you are 197 years old.
	🥁 5:49pm david w: Ah, but Henry you have the curiosity of a teenager.
	5:50pm ruth: @WebhamsterH David's only 196 and most of his travels were done on tour so he didn't really notice where they were.
	🥁 5:51pm david w: So true.
	5:51pm ruth: Is Cecilia playing one of her sound objects here or just her comp?
	🥁 5:53pm david w: I believe, and the info is vague, that this is an out-of-the-box synth.
	5:53pm ruth: ah Thnx D
	6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Still, there's lots I've missed, so : this show.
	6:03pm Ike: Hello. This sounds good.
	🥁 6:04pm david w: Henry, so nice of you. And Ike... yaaaay!
	6:04pm Honeybear: @ngh - living in your car? for real?
	6:05pm spodiodi: hi hi david w and all! glad to be listening again
	🥁 6:11pm david w: Welcome Honeybear and spodi! Glad to have you along! (and don't worry about ngh, a very resourceful person).
	6:15pm Honeybear: I lived in a car for a few months. It was actually kind of okay. A stoic experience, to be sure
	6:15pm ⓘⓚⓔ: Good luck @NGH. I've been there and done that (briefly, though it was a long time ago), so I can relate.
	6:18pm Honeybear: but interviewing... I hate, hate, hate interviewing. nothing makes me feel more lousy about myself than interviewing
	6:18pm \ⓔⓘⓚ/: Me too!
	6:19pm Webhamster Henry: Interviewing: bad enough, but "programming tests" - bleah.
	🥁 6:19pm david w: One trick there. When in doubt, ask them about their shoes.
	6:20pm northguineahills: Yeah, since Sunday.. I have enough for a hotel for my job interview on Friday, but saving for that. Still waiting on word on my unemployment status (it’s been a week since I applied, and it’s still, “pending”.
	6:20pm northguineahills: Marina!
	6:28pm ruth: Had to get up and do some cat feeding! Hi Honeyb. & ike
	6:30pm βrian: Programming tests are interesting, but involve way too much overhead.
	🥁 6:35pm david w: Thank you, βrian. I'm sure Henry will feel you.
	6:35pm βrian: @Webhamster: [Wait, maybe I misunderstood what kind of test you meant.]
	6:35pm Webhamster Henry: Ooh: upcoming Susie Ibarra show on the Stork Club.
	6:36pm Honeybear: @ngh - if it's NYS (re: benefits) then just hang in there (and be gently persistent) - they're mega-swamped but they do seem to be more or less on top of things
	6:37pm Honeybear: In other states, I've heard the situation is quite messed up (unfortunately)
	6:37pm Webhamster Henry: @βrian: they are little tests where they ignore the fact that you've been programming for 50 years.
	6:38pm βrian: Now, which states have the most messed up benefits systems, I wonder ...?
	6:38pm northguineahills: @Honeybear: Unfortunately, I’m in FL these days.
	6:38pm Honeybear: @ngh - ouch - that's one of the worst states from what I hear!
	6:39pm Webhamster Henry: OTHO, one of those tests was "Make an app hat uses the New York Times API", and I wrote the unreleaseable "All The News That's Fit To Fake". Didn't get that job, but that app is fun!
	6:41pm βrian: @Webhamster: I thought you meant unit tests. I've been involved in lots of interview processes. We never considered that kind of testing, as it would imply we were completely clueless. The cover letter was essential, though. Natural language matters.
	🥁 6:44pm WR: Sorry not fully engaged, but listening and enjoying and happy that the musicians are benefitting from bandcamp.
	6:44pm Honeybear: My favorite take-home experience was when they asked me to go scrape some (moderately complicated) website, only to "discover" (with a fair amount of careful, exacting effort mind you) ...
	6:45pm Honeybear: ...that their instructions were woefully out of date, and the stuff they "challenged" me to go get for them was no longer present (and likely had not been for quite some time).
	6:46pm Honeybear: "sorry" they said through some low-level HR drone
	6:47pm Webhamster Henry: A lot of the interviews were with startups with Potemkin village websites.
	6:47pm Honeybear: @βrian - your interviewing policies sound to be the inverse of those in use at so many places I've talked to or worked at
	6:48pm Honeybear: "Why do we mindlessly torture all these people who want to come work with us? Because everyone else is doing it, so that means we have to as well, right?"
	6:49pm Webhamster Henry: @Honeybear - often it's a prerequisite from investors.
	6:51pm βrian: Do they test well or do they think well?
	6:51pm Honeybear: "Natural language skills? We can barely communicate grammatically ourselves. Why should any of that stuff matter to what we do here?"
	6:52pm Webhamster Henry: I like the dotcom era "5 years of HTML" when there hadn't been 5 years of HTML yet.
	6:52pm spodiodi: haha
	6:53pm northguineahills: I usually have a hard time sleeping in ideal circumstances.. but parking near the truck lot, the symphony drone of truck engines puts me to sleeps I have my field recorder around here somewhere....
	6:53pm Webhamster Henry: Neighbor's Truck Noise.
	🥁 6:53pm david w: Hey, I got sacked by a moron HR person at Sesame Street years ago and my job was to photograph puppets!
	6:54pm βrian: Oh, how that will change when those rigs are all electric.
	6:54pm spodiodi: "do you know X?" "i can learn and use X, or any other popular flavor du jour" <-- say it confidently, with a hint of being bothered that they're even asking you
	6:55pm Webhamster Henry: Most of a programming day is doing what I'm doing now: downloading system software and whacking at outdated prerequisites. Also: rewriting Stackoverflow example code.
	6:55pm ruth: @DW You photographed puppets? I never knew! Honestly you're a pretty bad photographer...
	🥁 6:56pm david w: This is just getting good, but time is up. Thank you all! ngh, best luck to you and everybody take care!
	6:57pm ruth: I second that emotion See ya all next time!
	6:57pm spodiodi: thanks, david! good luck, ngh!
	6:58pm Honeybear: @davidw - it's my first time tuning in (realtime) + am liking very much what I'm hearing. till next time!
	6:58pm Webhamster Henry: Let's all hire each other!
	6:58pm spodiodi: i'm hired! w00t!
	6:58pm Honeybear: @ngh - be careful out there! + let us know how you're doing please
	6:59pm spodiodi: ngh -- what Honeybear said -- we are here, mon
	7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Catch ya next week!
	🥁 7:00pm david w: good people, thank you.
	🥁 8:06pm WR: Thank you.

Ridgewood Radio with David Weinstein: Playlist from November 11, 2020

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