WFMU: Tom Dash: Playlist from October 21, 2020

Listener comments!
	12:01am ultradamno: Tom! Dashers and Vixens!
	12:01am Brad: Psyched for your show tonight Tom!
	12:02am Aitch: Should be a good one.
	12:02am Brad: This song started UK punk didn't it?
	12:02am TomDash: morning, folks...let's have a blast!
	12:02am Jason from Houston: OH DANG
	12:03am Krull Sagan: Dashwads!
	12:03am Jason from Houston: I can stay up for just a bit more...
	12:03am Listener Bop Monroe: greetings from darkest Tannersville Mr. TD! singles singles singles!!!
	12:03am Somm Ben: Brad, I was thinking the same thing about New Rose
	12:04am lou in CO: just tuned in to one of my favorite songs. gdevening wfumers
	12:04am Kat in Chicago: Well, if you come outta the gate with New Rose, I can stay awake a lil longer.
	12:04am Somm Ben: You might even be able to remove the 'UK' qualifier
	12:04am egould310: Wwwwaaaahhhhhh!!!! I got a feeling inside of me!
	12:05am mariano: Hey TomDash, Crew, everyone.
	12:05am Brad: @ Somm Ben, ha great minds think alike! US punk definitely came before "New Rose" though...
	12:05am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	12:05am ultradamno: If you forget there were Ramones in 1975
	12:06am egould310: Double barrel Damned blast!
	12:06am Somm Ben: Brad, yes upon further reading we must keep UK in there.
	12:06am TomDash: hey y'all...thanks for tuning in! First set is a punk blast, then mostly 70s/80s punk/post-punk for the night...gonna be busy with these fast numbers but will check in when I can!!!
	12:06am Brad: Just look at those beautiful 7" covers
	12:06am Kat in Chicago: it's a Twofer Tuesday! (still Tuesday here)
	12:07am ultradamno: That said, this is still neat. Neat, even. Yes, neat, I say.
	12:07am Somm Ben: New Rose was 10/22/76
	12:07am Kat in Chicago: just look at those beautiful 1200s. sigh
	12:08am Jason from Houston: ꒰⑅•ᴗ•⑅꒱ ꒰⑅•ᴗ•⑅꒱ ꒰⑅•ᴗ•⑅꒱
	12:08am Todd-o-phonic Todd: Coming strong out of the gate!
	12:08am matty from brooklyn: Sitting in a rocking chair on a porch, on a remote lake in the Catskills, and still capable of pissing off the neighbors! I LOVE WFMU! THANKS! For all of the music and all of the work!
	12:08am Brad: When was Spiral Scratch released, the first version on New Hormones?
	12:08am TomDash: hey folks...if you like what ya hear and can pledge...hit that button on the upper left...if you already have, thanks for me and WFMU!!!
	12:08am Jedley: @Tom the station didn't spring for robot 7" changing arms for you guys during the pandemic? Everyone better pledge!
	12:09am ultradamno: Blitzkrieg Bop 7" Feb. 76
	12:09am mariano: Yeah, the Ramones formed in '74, first album came out in Feb. '76, and that was around the time the term "punk" started taking its current meaning. But there had been rumblings on both sides of the pond for quite some time. Kids were fed up with the status quo.
	12:10am ultradamno: Only boring people say only boring people say they're bored.
	12:10am Brad: Still love that brilliant guitar solo at the end of "Boredom" after all these years. And the Adverts still sound amazing ha
	12:11am TomDash: Thanks Todd!
	12:11am lou in CO: adverts.... one of my original bridges into punk. planes burn up in the night like meteorites.... keep em coming!
	12:11am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	12:13am TomDash: @JEdley...that would make things easier...or just an assistant to do all the record stuff...hmmm
	12:13am Brad: Yeah, kids were fed up with status quo, like a lot are now. Youth gives people a certain type of clarity I think :)
	12:13am egould310: 15 year old egould310 strongly approves of this opening set. So does 51 year old egould310. Thanjs, Tom!
	12:14am mariano: egould310: Yeah, high-octane stuff!
	12:14am ultradamno: (I'm) Stranded 7" released just on the other side of New Rose in Sept. 76
	12:14am Jedley: @egould you didn't used to live in SF did you?
	12:14am Brad: Yeah, Saints don't get enough credit.
	12:14am matty from brooklyn: Oh man this is so good!! Give me just a bunch of 3/4 stuff to get this off man feeling like he's 15 again! Moshing by myself on a deck in the dark. So happy!
	12:15am Somm Ben: I'm fascinated by the development of "proto-punk" into punk. For example, when I hear Helter Skelter, I think it must have been an influence on punk and grunge.
	12:16am egould310: @ Jedley Nope to SF. Grew up in New Castle, IN.
	12:17am TomDash: ...by far the most prep I've ever done for a show open FMU...ha! The thought of spinning 60 records until 3AM, maybe me do a little ORGANIZIZING!
	12:17am Brad: You can do it Tom!
	12:18am sufferwords: Tom- thanks so worth your effort
	12:18am KWilde: Off to a great start!
	12:18am slugluv1313: hiya Tom, Skeletons, Dashers! Tom, y'all raiding my record collection? :) (acquired by mail order when i was still living with the parents and literally was the BORED TEENAGER! or my pal from Yonkers would buy them & mail them to me) i still have all these! but so cool to hear them on the radio!
	12:20am Brad: Okay, gotta eat dinner, nice chatting, have fun tonight...and I'll be listening while off the comments board.
	12:20am Somm Ben: Hello Slugluv, Goodbye Brad
	12:21am slugluv1313: @mariano -- yup! think i was still in high school, had a subscription to PUNK magazine . . . but was so weird, all of a sudden mainstream media decided to call it "punk" . . . and people have bickered over where "punk" actually started; my impression is that when some of the bands went over to the UK, the whole movement exploded
	12:22am slugluv1313: hiya Somm Ben! goodnight, Brad!
	12:23am Jason from Houston: WUT
	12:23am ultradamno: Punk started with Johnny Burnette's Honey Hush
	12:24am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	12:27am matty from brooklyn: Ah man! Hand
	12:27am Somm Ben: @ Ultradamno - so 1956 with Burnette?
	12:28am mariano: Somm Ben: "Helter Skelter" was a big inspiration for the first couple of generations of metal bands too. Lots of great protopunk all over the world going back to the early 60s.
	12:31am ultradamno: @Somm I believe that's when it was recorded, I'm not sure about release. Legend has it the distorted guitar is the result of the speaker having been kicked in, how punk is that?
	12:31am egould310: My older brother turned me onto good tunes, too. Thank god for cool older bros.
	12:31am mariano: The first punk song was Scott Joplin's "Maple Leaf Rag." There, I said what everyone's been thinking.
	12:31am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	12:32am ultradamno: OK, so '56 b-side of Train Kept A Rollin on Coral Records. There you go.
	12:33am Jedley: Wow I was alive and not far away and had NO idea this was existing at the time. Amazing! And too goddamn true!
	12:33am TomDash: indeed @egould310 - forgot to mention Gang of Four/Mission of Burma/Sonic Youth- all the life changers...
	12:36am ultradamno: I had an older sister who was obsessed with John Denver. I existed to prove her wrong.
	12:37am ultradamno: I love Kleenex, but I have to admit I got a little excited to hear Eater when I saw "You"
	12:37am slugluv1313: YES, Scott Joplin (i was thinking Robert Johnson)
	12:37am egould310: My bro was college rock nerd so it was dB’s, Mitch Easter stuff, Soft Boys, and then... Husker Du.
	12:38am mariano: With me it was one of my uncles, only 8 years older so kind of like a older brother. When I was around 8 I started hanging out in his room listening to his tunes, he was really into Zappa, Beefheart, and Mahavishnu. Then he discovered punk so he played me the first Ramones and Tubes I ever heard, as well as the Sid Vicious "My Way." I remember being really shocked that the Ramones wore torn jeans. "Who does that?!"
	12:38am Richy4619: ♪┏(·o·)┛♪┗ ( ·o·) ┓
	12:39am TomDash: oh yeah egould310...Zen Arcade another game changer!
	12:42am ultradamno: Singles Going Steady and the Road To Ruin and Best Of Bomp with The Stooges (GIMME SOME SKIN) and Zeros were the first big bomshell, THIS IS THE THING moments for me. Eventually, No New York, Pere Ubu, The Residents' Not Available and Beefheart just made me a weirdo.
	12:43am Somm Ben: @Ultradamno - Burnette indeed sounds punk. That early date echoes what many punk rockers thought - they weren't counter or alt rock, they were returning it to an earlier form.
	12:46am Somm Ben: @ Mariano - 1899 for Maple Leaf Rag? Archaeo-punk?
	12:46am ultradamno: Like Sid's cover of Something Else is relatively reverent, certainly compared to My Way anyhow.
	12:47am TomDash: sending this one out to Charles! THANKS for the pledge, just saw it!!!
	12:49am egould310: @somm Punk was about stripping away the layers of keyboards/synths, lyrics about wizards and elfs, glitter jumpsuits and ladies’ makeup, and the other crap that had glommed onto rock n roll over the previous 10 years. A return to pre-Beatles rock n roll. Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, hillbillies, speed and alcohol.
	12:50am Andrew S: damn. thats a pretty great stack of singles
	12:51am TomDash: Thanks Andrew, and thanks for tuning in!
	12:51am ultradamno: Riley's a decent DJ, but it's a shame The Creeper didn't make more of a go of it. Miserable Sinners is classic.
	12:52am slugluv1313: @egould310 -- and of course those over-bloated Rick Wakeman spectacles! ok, i adore his Six Wives of Henry the Eighth . . . but every time he toured, it got worse! i think there was some sort of jousting on ice show???
	12:52am TomDash: True story, but that Marc Riley 2x7 at the WFMU table at the Record Fair from DJ Paulie B (Paul Bruno)
	12:54am Somm Ben: @egould - Gene Vincent "Be-Bop-A-Lula" also 1956 like Burnette's Honey Hush - interesting
	12:55am TomDash: ...that should read BOUGHT that Marc Riley from Paulie B - he was volunteering at FMU table at the Record Fair...
	12:56am mariano: slugluv: King Arthur on ice can be found on YouTube. Has to be seen, at least as much as one can take.
	12:57am ultradamno: Vincent was great. Race With The Devil, Bluejean Bop, Woman Love, a lot of his stuff qualifies.
	12:57am slugluv1313: iirc -- before 70s "punk" was called "punk," wasn't "punk" another name for mid-60s "garage rock"? (now where are my Nuggets and Pebbles records and their liner notes?!?)
	12:59am slugluv1313: @mariano -- omg YES! not sure if i am brave enough for the whole extravaganza -- but i do remember seeing photos in Circus magazine way back when
	12:59am Krull Sagan: I’m always surprised to think about Siouxsie and her start as a Sex Pistols punk super fan...so she is my one real connection to punk
	1:00am ultradamno: To the best of my knowledge Punk was coined by Dave Marsh describing ? & The Mysterians in a review.
	1:00am mariano: Krull: I think Sid Vicious played drums briefly for the Banshees. Or tried to, at least.
	1:01am ultradamno: That was '71 and then Lenny Kaye repeated it in liner notes for Nuggets and here we are.
	1:02am egould310: Tom Dash is destroying my ears with noisy, punky goodness. Hell, yeah!
	1:03am Krull Sagan: Mariano, I had no idea; thank god budgie appeared on the scene at some point
	1:04am slugluv1313: yup! Sid was drummer for a bit (yeah i still have my 1988 book too)
	1:05am Krull Sagan: [casually brandishes R-rated cover art treasured Creatures 7 inch]
	1:05am Krull Sagan: Slug, what book???
	1:06am slugluv1313: @Krull -- i have that Creatures single too! Siouxsie and Billy Idol were both part of what was dubbed "The Bromley Contingent" :)
	1:07am Jedley: @Tom your bed music is enchanting -- what is it?
	1:07am ultradamno: Wasn't it Siouxsie who Bill Grundy was trying to chat up that led to all his problems?
	1:08am TomDash: Hey @Jedley - that track was Wooden Shjips
	1:09am Krull Sagan: Slug, luv it; “The Bromley Contigent” sounds like a 1960s spy film Damno, I don’t know who Grundy is! But I would put up with so many problems for the opportunity to chat up Siouxsie
	1:09am slugluv1313: @Krull -- Caroline Coon's book, from 1977 (gahhhh i feel old!) www.amazon.com...
	1:09am pp: NNB
	1:09am Jedley: Ahhhh that makes sense - and reminds me of a hot night in Austin, bringing it full circle back to Whoom... thx!
	1:10am ultradamno: @Krull That's a pretty big slice of Sex Pistols history www.youtube.com...
	1:10am Krull Sagan: Haha where is Spodiodioid; his li’l pic seems to be Johnny Rotten these days
	1:11am ultradamno: He was like the UK Tom Snyder.
	1:11am mariano: Yep, ultradamno. Everyone including Grundy was really drunk apparently, and Steve Jones got ticked at him when he made a comment to Siouxsie about meeting her backstage later, called him a "dirty old fucker" or something like that. One of the best things to happen on TV. The most awkward detail is perhaps that Siouxsie was wearing a swastika armband.
	1:11am ultradamno: At least insofar as Johnny Rotten was around to make fools of both of them.
	1:13am mariano: Speaking of Tom Snyder, his interview with Kiss, when Ace was absolutely wasted, is some good watching. Ace has this hyena laugh that's weirdly infectious, and he kept interrupting and pissing off Gene. Which makes it all the better.
	1:13am slugluv1313: damn, they have a Wiki page! en.wikipedia.org... at some point back then, i dubbed my friend from Yonkers and his friends "The Yonkers Contingent" :)
	1:13am ultradamno: Ironic swastikas were pretty common. I keep wondering when the Blondie backlash will happen over such flirtations (including the band name itself)
	1:14am Somm Ben: I went to the Misfits reunion concert in Newark two years ago, and some dude had some SS tatoos. Not right!
	1:15am slugluv1313: @ultradamno -- recalling "The Legend of Nick Detroit" issue of Punk magazine
	1:15am Somm Ben: We gots to keep the punk clean of that.
	1:16am ultradamno: Ron Asheton went all out with it.
	1:17am Krull Sagan: Looks like it wasn’t Siouxsie wearing the swastika whew
	1:17am ultradamno: I think Jones said in an interview once the the movie The Night Porter was influence on such behavior.
	1:17am slugluv1313: Jayne County is the coolest! met her (and Leee Black Childers!) when she did a signing at Tower for her "Are You Man Enough To Be A Woman" -- i was working there and had ALL the 45s, EPs with me -- they were happy that i still had them!
	1:18am mariano: Yeah, I think in the early days of UK punk the swastika was meant to shock and wasn't a pro-Nazi thing. I think part of it is that WWII means different things to different countries. For the US it's much more about the Holocaust than in the UK. In the UK it's much more about how they held out alone against Germany till the US joined the war. I think for the UK punks at the time, the swastika was more a symbol of affront to British society in general. Oh shit, did I get that detail wrong about Siouxsie? I'm both really sorry and really relieved. Stupid memory.
	1:18am ultradamno: Well, maybe not there, but... flashbak.com...
	1:19am TomDash: @sluluv1313 - when I first moved to NYC in the 90s, Jayne County had a great backing band like the Electric Chairs and she did all the hits...sounded just like the old band...was great!
	1:19am pp: Loud Fast Rules
	1:20am slugluv1313: @mariano -- absolutely! remembering an interview from back then (maybe with Siousxie?) about how that was the reasoning behind bringing all the "fetish" gear outta the closet too -- and putting ALL that stuff right out there in public
	1:20am Somm Ben: @ mariano - I think you're probably right some UK peeps made use of the swastika in kind of a tongue-in-cheek way. Scary thing about this guy at the Misfits concert was that he was under 30, definitely well past that ironic usage.
	1:21am Krull Sagan: Ach, dammit Damno, wtf was that shite, ridiculous, and also thanks nonetheless. Yeesh.
	1:21am Somm Ben: But maybe not too young - didn't Prince Harry get in trouble for wearing a Nazi uniform to some party?
	1:22am @5pangl3r: DIDJITS FOR FUCKING EVER
	1:23am TomDash: Hey @pp - good requests...I used to have Loud Fast Rules, and I wish I had NNB!
	1:23am ultradamno: Well, I think a lot the same thing was the case with the US punk as well, I don't think The Stooges, Ramones, Dictators or Blondie were nazis or white supremacists, it was just a deliberately offensive, juvenile gesture
	1:23am mariano: ultradamno: Now I'm neither sorry nor relieved. You monster! What. Have you done. To my faaaaace!
	1:25am Somm Ben: @ ultradamno, fair point. At least that band Dicks from Austin set the record straight on being Anti-Fascist. The Clash in UK fought for the left.
	1:25am matty from brooklyn: Good song choice. Also, this might be one of the best singles sets in recent FMU history! Keep killin it;
	1:26am Richy4619: ♪┏(·o·)┛♪┗ ( ·o·) ┓
	1:28am TomDash: awww, man thanks @matty - I'm blushing...really glad you're digging!
	1:29am mariano: Did all those groups use swastikas? Never thought about it, but I guess I can see it. I remember a while back seeing a shot of the MC5 on stage back in the day, a Confederate flag as the backdrop. Obviously they weren't white supremacists, I think back then lots of people saw it more as a general symbol of rebellion.
	1:29am ultradamno: Ilsa was probably another active influence along with Night Porter, there something going on in the mid to late seventies across the board with swastika fetishism.
	1:29am egould310: “I don't think The Stooges, Ramones, Dictators or Blondie were nazis or white supremacists” Yeah. About half the personnel from those bands are Jewish. I don’t think they were nazis.
	1:31am Richy4619: nazi punks fuck off!
	1:31am Somm Ben: Hell yeah Richy!
	1:32am ultradamno: I don't if they all wore swastikas for sure, Asheton certainly had a full stormtrooper uniform and there's a lot of referencing in Ramones lyrics (Dee Dee grew up in Berlin, which has something to do with it), Blondie are named after Hitler's dog and definitely did some dress up, Dictators had Master Race Rock and stuff like that. Meanwhile, The New York Dolls went Soviet, which was the other end of the same impulse.
	1:33am Krull Sagan: Well that’s the first time I’ve come across the word “nazisploitation” on the wiki for Night Porter...which is surprising given my back issues of Fangoria magazine
	1:34am Krull Sagan: [lemmy and the dude from slayer traded nazi memorabilia, on the Metal side]
	1:36am mariano: ultradamno (@1:29): The 50s too, those Nazi S&M erotica novels. Some wild covers. And remember years ago when the head of Formula One, British aristocrat, was caught on film in a Nazi bondage scenario, where he was dressed like a camp inmate? Krull: You wanna see weird, look at what I just stumbled across while looking up Nazisploitation: en.wikipedia.org...
	1:36am ultradamno: Lemmy is a good example of someone who always flirted with nazi aircraft imagery and iron crosses but was more lefty in his politics than the norm for metal
	1:36am Krull Sagan: A whole different can of worms I suppose, the metal side
	1:37am Somm Ben: @ mariano - clicked on the link. Yikes.
	1:38am ultradamno: Because that leads to black metal and Euro white nationalism
	1:38am Krull Sagan: Mariano, whoa.... Damno, yeah it is too prevalent to be that interesting
	1:38am pp: thanks, just tossing out precursor bands to those being played :)
	1:38am ultradamno: I like all the words Tom is using now.
	1:39am Somm Ben: I remember at my old summer camp there was this weird cabin on the edge of camp called 'Stalag 13'. I shudder to think of what happened there.
	1:40am matty from brooklyn: hope to hear some black leather jesus and the Rita
	1:40am ultradamno: Yikes. I would avoid all the stalags for that matter.
	1:40am Aitch: You knew nuthink?
	1:40am TomDash: another one from the wife's collection...
	1:42am egould310: Yes! Husker Du. Thanks, Tom. Going to keep listening, but I’m off chat as I have a couple hours of work to do. Great show. G’night to all the fellow dots and dashes.
	1:43am ultradamno: I remember the first proper punk show I ever went to was TSOL/Zero Boys/Articles Of Faith/Battered Youth at K9 Dog College in Indy and Land Speed Record had just come out and everyone was excited about it
	1:46am TomDash: see ya egould310 - thanks for hanging!
	1:48am slugluv1313: YIKES indeed @Somm Ben, @mariano reminds me of the first "porno" book i read -- "The Bitch of Buchenwald" -- about Ilse Koch, my best friend in 7th grade found it under her parents' mattress
	1:49am slugluv1313: good night, egould310!
	1:50am ultradamno: Well, I guess I can see why someone would fantasize about her allthatsinteresting.com...
	1:50am Somm Ben: May your work go smoothly, egould
	1:50am mariano: slugluv: Eeeek! I mean, I guess I can understand how stuff like that happens, the Stalag fiction and all that, because some people seem to end up fetishizing the thing that traumatized them. Apparently Lawrence of Arabia developed a taste for flogging and other torture after being in a Turkish prison. 'Night egould.
	1:51am slugluv1313: cool! Au Pairs! saw them only once, Mudd Club -- amazing show
	1:54am TomDash: wish I go to see Au Pairs...
	1:55am matty from brooklyn: Want to keep listening, but my eyeballs say otherwise. Doesn't matter, because I'm recording this episode in the morning. An amazing first part of the show. One of the best singles going steady episodes ever!
	1:55am TomDash: thanks so much matty - see ya on the message board again soon...
	2:01am ultradamno: Would anyone think of them as proto-goth if they hadn't done that one song about an actor who played Dracula?
	2:03am pp: saw the Huskers w/ the DKs at the Mpls Armory, where the Lakers used to play. It then got converted to a parking garage, but then got reconverted to a music venue in time to host JLo for the Super Bowl. Like JLo, a historical landmark :)
	2:04am Jedley: ❤️ Mo-dettes ❤️
	2:05am slugluv1313: @mariano -- eeek is right! i was 12, did not really know who Ilse Koch was, and was curious about reading a "dirty" book -- in retrospect, the thing that freaks me out the most is that my friend's parents had it
	2:06am slugluv1313: good night, matty from brooklyn!
	2:07am TomDash: If you have a RADIO HEART...pledge to the show and WFMU! How's that for a tie-in?
	2:07am mariano: True, ultradamno. They don't fit neatly into the goth category. Still pretty dark though. But they have elements of funk and disco in the rhythm of some songs: 16th notes on the high hats, bass playing runs of octaves, etc. slugluv: That's what my eek was about! Like a horror story, finding out your parents are Nazi fetishists. 'Night matty.
	2:07am slugluv1313: Tom, you are playing the coolest records!
	2:08am mariano: Yeah Tom, this show crossed the line into legendary a good while back.
	2:08am ultradamno: So I started this poll earlier today inspired by Spin Age Blasters, as to who has the best song called Iron Man. Black Sabbath are running away with it. twitter.com...
	2:09am Jedley: $355 to go, folks! Your $10 can get Tom a few percent of the way
	2:10am TomDash: Thanks guys, this is one of my favorite shows yet! So much fun...
	2:10am slugluv1313: @mariano -- ah, got it! yeah, and she had two older brothers -- out of high school but still in their teens, or early 20s -- would have been less unnerving if one of them had it
	2:10am mariano: ultradamno: Does the Cardigans' cover count? Sorry, didn't mean for that to sound like the beginning of a tongue twister.
	2:12am ultradamno: If you want to write it in, sure. I didn't know they did that.
	2:22am mariano: Oh really? It's very loungey. I'm not on Twitter though - so no prize for them!
	2:24am Kate: Gotta second that modettes love @Jedley! Great show Tom!!
	2:26am TomDash: Hey thanks Kate!
	2:29am Jedley: Hey Kate!
	2:29am ultradamno: Alright, mariano. I did it for you. twitter.com...
	2:32am mariano: ultradamno: Corruption! Corruption, I say! I have been most cruelly robbed of my franchise, and I will have satisfaction -- pistolets at ten paces in Jackson Square 'pon the morrow, sir!
	2:33am ultradamno: The morrow? That sounds early...
	2:33am mariano: (Sometimes I fear I'm taking this whole return-to-New-Orleans thing a tad too seriously.)
	2:34am ultradamno: Hey, I have this record!
	2:35am ledzeppelinsucks: that's great
	2:35am mariano: ultradamno: Fair enough. After lunch maybe?
	2:37am ultradamno: Yeah, that sounds. Do they have pistolets at Wal-Mart? I'll figure it out.
	2:38am ultradamno: sound, um OK, that is.
	2:40am ultradamno: I'm looking at this list of the 50 best britpop records and, uh...that ENTIRE thing just got past me. I can remember hearing Elastica...
	2:41am mariano: I'd just DIY the pistolets, ultradamno. Yeah, that's the ticket.
	2:44am ultradamno: Oh, wait. Cornershop. I have some Cornershop albums. OK. That should kill the morning off for you (and tire him out while I'll be fresh and rested...it's all going according to plan...heh heh heh)
	2:48am mariano: You called me "Twitter celibate," ultradamno? Not true. I do just fine, believe me. I've been with many Twitters.
	2:49am ultradamno: We call them tweeps, man. Gaw.
	2:51am mariano: You know damn well what I meant and you're obviously just jealous. This interview is over. [puts hand over camera]
	2:51am ultradamno: So Honey Bane was one of the overlaps earlier, was the other Mekons?
	2:52am TomDash: ultrad - han I was thinking of playing Jonee Jonee
	2:52am mariano: Honey Bane sounds like Batman's sweetest nemesis.
	2:54am ultradamno: That makes more sense, there's so many Mekons singles to choose from. Like Bane's teen daughter. She'd break Batman's back while he was pointedly not paying attention to her.
	2:54am TomDash: Alright folks, wrapping up...thanks so much for tuning in and hanging, had such a blast...next week's weirdness is gonna be more moody, long jams, rituals and synths etc...see y'all soon!
	2:55am Nulsh: Cheers TomDash!
	2:55am Jedley: Thanks from the west coast
	2:56am slugluv1313: LOVE Honey Bane! her "Guilty" is an all time favorite -- one of the best songs ever, imho
	2:56am mariano: Lol, ultradamno! Thanks so much, TomDash, this is one for the record books. Every track buh-lazed. Thanks Crew, 'night all!
	2:57am slugluv1313: @mariano -- haha, yeah i saw that too -- "twitter celibate"
	2:58am ultradamno: Thanks Tom! Skeletons! Everyone for the chatting! Night.
	2:58am TomDash: thanks y'all...til next week
	2:58am slugluv1313: Honey Bane was associated with Poison Girls -- i think her Mom was the lead singer? "Girl On The Run" is killer too -- raw and visceral
	2:59am slugluv1313: fantastic show, Tom -- thanks so much!
	2:59am ultradamno: Vi Subversa? Footage of her singing Old Tart's Song twitter.com...
	3:00am mariano: Ooh, I think this is the Go4 song they played on "Urgh! A Music War."
	3:00am ledzeppelinsucks: delicious show
	3:01am slugluv1313: @ultradamno -- YES! was spacing out on her name (and yeah, i still have all those records too! geez, i have GOT to get them all organized)
	3:01am slugluv1313: GANG!! <3
	3:01am ultradamno: Hex in particular is great!

Tom Dash: Playlist from October 21, 2020

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October 21, 2020: Singles Going Steady...'til last call!

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	Comments	Approx. start time
The Damned	New Rose "New Rose" by "The Damned"				7"		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
The Damned	Neat Neat Neat "Neat Neat Neat" by "The Damned"				7"		0:02:30 (Pop-up)
Buzzcocks	Boredom "Boredom" by "Buzzcocks"	Spiral Scratch EP			7"		0:05:03 (Pop-up)
The Adverts	Bored Teenagers "Bored Teenagers" by "The Adverts"				7"		0:07:50 (Pop-up)
The Saints	One Way Street "One Way Street" by "The Saints"				7"		0:09:44 (Pop-up)
The Pagans	Dead End America "Dead End America" by "The Pagans"				7"	wife's copy - thanks Anne!	0:12:30 (Pop-up)
Johnny Moped	No One "No One" by "Johnny Moped"				7"		0:14:14 (Pop-up)
The Secret	Handel a Vandal "Handel a Vandal" by "The Secret"				7"		0:17:02 (Pop-up)
The Vibrators	Destroy "Destroy" by "The Vibrators"				7"		0:20:10 (Pop-up)

Whoom-Elements	Men In The Politics				7"		0:28:52 (Pop-up)
Fuzz Box	Rules and Regulations "Rules and Regulations" by "Fuzz Box"				7"		0:32:15 (Pop-up)
Kleenex	You "You" by "Kleenex"				7"		0:35:03 (Pop-up)
The Family Fodder	Warm "Warm" by "The Family Fodder"				7"		0:38:29 (Pop-up)
Cosmic Overdose	Tonight "Tonight" by "Cosmic Overdose"				7"		0:42:04 (Pop-up)
The Algebra Mothers	Strawberry Cheesecake				7"		0:44:42 (Pop-up)
Marc Riley with the Creepers	Black Dwarf		In Tape		7"		0:47:25 (Pop-up)
Frustration	I Can't Forget "I Can't Forget" by "Frustration"				7"		0:50:06 (Pop-up)
The Ruts	In A Rut "In A Rut" by "The Ruts"				7"		0:53:36 (Pop-up)
The Ex	Slimey Toad "Slimey Toad" by "The Ex"				7"		0:56:59 (Pop-up)

Red House	25 Reasons "25 Reasons" by "Red House"				7"		1:05:17 (Pop-up)
Suspects	It's Up To You "It's Up To You" by "Suspects"			1979	7"	Steve Wynn & Kendra Smith pre-Dream Syndicate. Check out the great Steve Wynn interview on last week's Todd-O-Phonic Todd show!	1:07:23 (Pop-up)
The Electric Chairs	Stuck On You "Stuck On You" by "The Electric Chairs"				7"		1:09:47 (Pop-up)
The Fall-Outs	Don't Want The Sun "Don't Want The Sun" by "The Fall-Outs"				7"		1:12:59 (Pop-up)
Soul Asylum	Tied to the Tracks "Tied to the Tracks" by "Soul Asylum"				7"		1:14:55 (Pop-up)
Didjits	Headless "Headless" by "Didjits"				7"		1:17:33 (Pop-up)
Iggy Pop	I'm Bored "I'm Bored" by "Iggy Pop"				7"		1:19:42 (Pop-up)
Bizzaros	New Order "New Order" by "Bizzaros"				7"		1:22:27 (Pop-up)
Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments	Punk Rock Secret				7"		1:25:23 (Pop-up)
Cigarettes	Gimme Cigarette "Gimme Cigarette" by "Cigarettes"				7"		1:28:05 (Pop-up)

Hüsker Dü	Statues "Statues" by "Hüsker Dü"				7"	another one from the wife's collection...thanks Anne!	1:37:16 (Pop-up)
Au Pairs	It's Obvious "It's Obvious" by "Au Pairs"				7"		1:41:26 (Pop-up)
Someone & The Somebodies	Ian "Ian" by "Someone & The Somebodies"				7"		1:47:04 (Pop-up)
Golden Gate Jumpers	Masochist In Drag				7"		1:50:21 (Pop-up)
The Vincent Units	Carnival Song "Carnival Song" by "The Vincent Units"				7"		1:54:29 (Pop-up)
Bauhaus	Kick In The Eye "Kick In The Eye" by "Bauhaus"				7"		1:58:01 (Pop-up)
Mo-Dettes	Two Can Play "Two Can Play" by "Mo-Dettes"				7"		2:01:19 (Pop-up)
Los Microwaves	Radio Heart "Radio Heart" by "Los Microwaves"				7"		2:03:51 (Pop-up)
A-Frames	Complication "Complication" by "A-Frames"				7"		2:06:57 (Pop-up)
Happy Refugees	Enshrined in A Memory				7"		2:08:44 (Pop-up)

The Jam	Going Underground "Going Underground" by "The Jam"				7"	sending this one out to my wife - it's her copy!	2:16:00 (Pop-up)
The Scruffs	Break The Ice "Break The Ice" by "The Scruffs"				7"		2:18:45 (Pop-up)
Pointed Sticks	What Do You Want Me To Do				7"		2:21:14 (Pop-up)
Pastiche	Like I Always Do "Like I Always Do" by "Pastiche"				7"		2:23:31 (Pop-up)
The Quick	Pretty Please Me "Pretty Please Me" by "The Quick"				7"		2:25:37 (Pop-up)
Mick Farren & The Deviants	Let's Loot the Supemarket Again Like We Did Last Summer				7"		2:30:07 (Pop-up)
Unnatural Axe	Oh Yeah "Oh Yeah" by "Unnatural Axe"				7"		2:32:20 (Pop-up)
14th Wish	I Gotta Get Rid Of You "I Gotta Get Rid Of You" by "14th Wish"				7"		2:34:36 (Pop-up)
Nights and Days	These Days "These Days" by "Nights and Days"				7"		2:38:25 (Pop-up)
The Statics	Theme "Theme" by "The Statics"				7"		2:41:20 (Pop-up)

Honey Bane	Boring Conversations "Boring Conversations" by "Honey Bane"				7"		2:46:43 (Pop-up)
UK Decay	Sexual "Sexual" by "UK Decay"				7"		2:49:09 (Pop-up)
The Embarrassment	Sex Drive "Sex Drive" by "The Embarrassment"				7"		2:50:42 (Pop-up)
Gang Of Four	He'd Send in the Army				7"		2:55:42 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	12:01am ultradamno: Tom! Dashers and Vixens!
	12:01am Brad: Psyched for your show tonight Tom!
	12:02am Aitch: Should be a good one.
	12:02am Brad: This song started UK punk didn't it?
	12:02am TomDash: morning, folks...let's have a blast!
	12:02am Jason from Houston: OH DANG
	12:03am Krull Sagan: Dashwads!
	12:03am Jason from Houston: I can stay up for just a bit more...
	12:03am Listener Bop Monroe: greetings from darkest Tannersville Mr. TD! singles singles singles!!!
	12:03am Somm Ben: Brad, I was thinking the same thing about New Rose
	12:04am lou in CO: just tuned in to one of my favorite songs. gdevening wfumers
	12:04am Kat in Chicago: Well, if you come outta the gate with New Rose, I can stay awake a lil longer.
	12:04am Somm Ben: You might even be able to remove the 'UK' qualifier
	12:04am egould310: Wwwwaaaahhhhhh!!!! I got a feeling inside of me!
	12:05am mariano: Hey TomDash, Crew, everyone.
	12:05am Brad: @ Somm Ben, ha great minds think alike! US punk definitely came before "New Rose" though...
	12:05am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	12:05am ultradamno: If you forget there were Ramones in 1975
	12:06am egould310: Double barrel Damned blast!
	12:06am Somm Ben: Brad, yes upon further reading we must keep UK in there.
	12:06am TomDash: hey y'all...thanks for tuning in! First set is a punk blast, then mostly 70s/80s punk/post-punk for the night...gonna be busy with these fast numbers but will check in when I can!!!
	12:06am Brad: Just look at those beautiful 7" covers
	12:06am Kat in Chicago: it's a Twofer Tuesday! (still Tuesday here)
	12:07am ultradamno: That said, this is still neat. Neat, even. Yes, neat, I say.
	12:07am Somm Ben: New Rose was 10/22/76
	12:07am Kat in Chicago: just look at those beautiful 1200s. sigh
	12:08am Jason from Houston: ꒰⑅•ᴗ•⑅꒱ ꒰⑅•ᴗ•⑅꒱ ꒰⑅•ᴗ•⑅꒱
	12:08am Todd-o-phonic Todd: Coming strong out of the gate!
	12:08am matty from brooklyn: Sitting in a rocking chair on a porch, on a remote lake in the Catskills, and still capable of pissing off the neighbors! I LOVE WFMU! THANKS! For all of the music and all of the work!
	12:08am Brad: When was Spiral Scratch released, the first version on New Hormones?
	12:08am TomDash: hey folks...if you like what ya hear and can pledge...hit that button on the upper left...if you already have, thanks for me and WFMU!!!
	12:08am Jedley: @Tom the station didn't spring for robot 7" changing arms for you guys during the pandemic? Everyone better pledge!
	12:09am ultradamno: Blitzkrieg Bop 7" Feb. 76
	12:09am mariano: Yeah, the Ramones formed in '74, first album came out in Feb. '76, and that was around the time the term "punk" started taking its current meaning. But there had been rumblings on both sides of the pond for quite some time. Kids were fed up with the status quo.
	12:10am ultradamno: Only boring people say only boring people say they're bored.
	12:10am Brad: Still love that brilliant guitar solo at the end of "Boredom" after all these years. And the Adverts still sound amazing ha
	12:11am TomDash: Thanks Todd!
	12:11am lou in CO: adverts.... one of my original bridges into punk. planes burn up in the night like meteorites.... keep em coming!
	12:11am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	12:13am TomDash: @JEdley...that would make things easier...or just an assistant to do all the record stuff...hmmm
	12:13am Brad: Yeah, kids were fed up with status quo, like a lot are now. Youth gives people a certain type of clarity I think :)
	12:13am egould310: 15 year old egould310 strongly approves of this opening set. So does 51 year old egould310. Thanjs, Tom!
	12:14am mariano: egould310: Yeah, high-octane stuff!
	12:14am ultradamno: (I'm) Stranded 7" released just on the other side of New Rose in Sept. 76
	12:14am Jedley: @egould you didn't used to live in SF did you?
	12:14am Brad: Yeah, Saints don't get enough credit.
	12:14am matty from brooklyn: Oh man this is so good!! Give me just a bunch of 3/4 stuff to get this off man feeling like he's 15 again! Moshing by myself on a deck in the dark. So happy!
	12:15am Somm Ben: I'm fascinated by the development of "proto-punk" into punk. For example, when I hear Helter Skelter, I think it must have been an influence on punk and grunge.
	12:16am egould310: @ Jedley Nope to SF. Grew up in New Castle, IN.
	12:17am TomDash: ...by far the most prep I've ever done for a show open FMU...ha! The thought of spinning 60 records until 3AM, maybe me do a little ORGANIZIZING!
	12:17am Brad: You can do it Tom!
	12:18am sufferwords: Tom- thanks so worth your effort
	12:18am KWilde: Off to a great start!
	12:18am slugluv1313: hiya Tom, Skeletons, Dashers! Tom, y'all raiding my record collection? :) (acquired by mail order when i was still living with the parents and literally was the BORED TEENAGER! or my pal from Yonkers would buy them & mail them to me) i still have all these! but so cool to hear them on the radio!
	12:20am Brad: Okay, gotta eat dinner, nice chatting, have fun tonight...and I'll be listening while off the comments board.
	12:20am Somm Ben: Hello Slugluv, Goodbye Brad
	12:21am slugluv1313: @mariano -- yup! think i was still in high school, had a subscription to PUNK magazine . . . but was so weird, all of a sudden mainstream media decided to call it "punk" . . . and people have bickered over where "punk" actually started; my impression is that when some of the bands went over to the UK, the whole movement exploded
	12:22am slugluv1313: hiya Somm Ben! goodnight, Brad!
	12:23am Jason from Houston: WUT
	12:23am ultradamno: Punk started with Johnny Burnette's Honey Hush
	12:24am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	12:27am matty from brooklyn: Ah man! Hand
	12:27am Somm Ben: @ Ultradamno - so 1956 with Burnette?
	12:28am mariano: Somm Ben: "Helter Skelter" was a big inspiration for the first couple of generations of metal bands too. Lots of great protopunk all over the world going back to the early 60s.
	12:31am ultradamno: @Somm I believe that's when it was recorded, I'm not sure about release. Legend has it the distorted guitar is the result of the speaker having been kicked in, how punk is that?
	12:31am egould310: My older brother turned me onto good tunes, too. Thank god for cool older bros.
	12:31am mariano: The first punk song was Scott Joplin's "Maple Leaf Rag." There, I said what everyone's been thinking.
	12:31am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	12:32am ultradamno: OK, so '56 b-side of Train Kept A Rollin on Coral Records. There you go.
	12:33am Jedley: Wow I was alive and not far away and had NO idea this was existing at the time. Amazing! And too goddamn true!
	12:33am TomDash: indeed @egould310 - forgot to mention Gang of Four/Mission of Burma/Sonic Youth- all the life changers...
	12:36am ultradamno: I had an older sister who was obsessed with John Denver. I existed to prove her wrong.
	12:37am ultradamno: I love Kleenex, but I have to admit I got a little excited to hear Eater when I saw "You"
	12:37am slugluv1313: YES, Scott Joplin (i was thinking Robert Johnson)
	12:37am egould310: My bro was college rock nerd so it was dB’s, Mitch Easter stuff, Soft Boys, and then... Husker Du.
	12:38am mariano: With me it was one of my uncles, only 8 years older so kind of like a older brother. When I was around 8 I started hanging out in his room listening to his tunes, he was really into Zappa, Beefheart, and Mahavishnu. Then he discovered punk so he played me the first Ramones and Tubes I ever heard, as well as the Sid Vicious "My Way." I remember being really shocked that the Ramones wore torn jeans. "Who does that?!"
	12:38am Richy4619: ♪┏(·o·)┛♪┗ ( ·o·) ┓
	12:39am TomDash: oh yeah egould310...Zen Arcade another game changer!
	12:42am ultradamno: Singles Going Steady and the Road To Ruin and Best Of Bomp with The Stooges (GIMME SOME SKIN) and Zeros were the first big bomshell, THIS IS THE THING moments for me. Eventually, No New York, Pere Ubu, The Residents' Not Available and Beefheart just made me a weirdo.
	12:43am Somm Ben: @Ultradamno - Burnette indeed sounds punk. That early date echoes what many punk rockers thought - they weren't counter or alt rock, they were returning it to an earlier form.
	12:46am Somm Ben: @ Mariano - 1899 for Maple Leaf Rag? Archaeo-punk?
	12:46am ultradamno: Like Sid's cover of Something Else is relatively reverent, certainly compared to My Way anyhow.
	12:47am TomDash: sending this one out to Charles! THANKS for the pledge, just saw it!!!
	12:49am egould310: @somm Punk was about stripping away the layers of keyboards/synths, lyrics about wizards and elfs, glitter jumpsuits and ladies’ makeup, and the other crap that had glommed onto rock n roll over the previous 10 years. A return to pre-Beatles rock n roll. Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, hillbillies, speed and alcohol.
	12:50am Andrew S: damn. thats a pretty great stack of singles
	12:51am TomDash: Thanks Andrew, and thanks for tuning in!
	12:51am ultradamno: Riley's a decent DJ, but it's a shame The Creeper didn't make more of a go of it. Miserable Sinners is classic.
	12:52am slugluv1313: @egould310 -- and of course those over-bloated Rick Wakeman spectacles! ok, i adore his Six Wives of Henry the Eighth . . . but every time he toured, it got worse! i think there was some sort of jousting on ice show???
	12:52am TomDash: True story, but that Marc Riley 2x7 at the WFMU table at the Record Fair from DJ Paulie B (Paul Bruno)
	12:54am Somm Ben: @egould - Gene Vincent "Be-Bop-A-Lula" also 1956 like Burnette's Honey Hush - interesting
	12:55am TomDash: ...that should read BOUGHT that Marc Riley from Paulie B - he was volunteering at FMU table at the Record Fair...
	12:56am mariano: slugluv: King Arthur on ice can be found on YouTube. Has to be seen, at least as much as one can take.
	12:57am ultradamno: Vincent was great. Race With The Devil, Bluejean Bop, Woman Love, a lot of his stuff qualifies.
	12:57am slugluv1313: iirc -- before 70s "punk" was called "punk," wasn't "punk" another name for mid-60s "garage rock"? (now where are my Nuggets and Pebbles records and their liner notes?!?)
	12:59am slugluv1313: @mariano -- omg YES! not sure if i am brave enough for the whole extravaganza -- but i do remember seeing photos in Circus magazine way back when
	12:59am Krull Sagan: I’m always surprised to think about Siouxsie and her start as a Sex Pistols punk super fan...so she is my one real connection to punk
	1:00am ultradamno: To the best of my knowledge Punk was coined by Dave Marsh describing ? & The Mysterians in a review.
	1:00am mariano: Krull: I think Sid Vicious played drums briefly for the Banshees. Or tried to, at least.
	1:01am ultradamno: That was '71 and then Lenny Kaye repeated it in liner notes for Nuggets and here we are.
	1:02am egould310: Tom Dash is destroying my ears with noisy, punky goodness. Hell, yeah!
	1:03am Krull Sagan: Mariano, I had no idea; thank god budgie appeared on the scene at some point
	1:04am slugluv1313: yup! Sid was drummer for a bit (yeah i still have my 1988 book too)
	1:05am Krull Sagan: [casually brandishes R-rated cover art treasured Creatures 7 inch]
	1:05am Krull Sagan: Slug, what book???
	1:06am slugluv1313: @Krull -- i have that Creatures single too! Siouxsie and Billy Idol were both part of what was dubbed "The Bromley Contingent" :)
	1:07am Jedley: @Tom your bed music is enchanting -- what is it?
	1:07am ultradamno: Wasn't it Siouxsie who Bill Grundy was trying to chat up that led to all his problems?
	1:08am TomDash: Hey @Jedley - that track was Wooden Shjips
	1:09am Krull Sagan: Slug, luv it; “The Bromley Contigent” sounds like a 1960s spy film Damno, I don’t know who Grundy is! But I would put up with so many problems for the opportunity to chat up Siouxsie
	1:09am slugluv1313: @Krull -- Caroline Coon's book, from 1977 (gahhhh i feel old!) www.amazon.com...
	1:09am pp: NNB
	1:09am Jedley: Ahhhh that makes sense - and reminds me of a hot night in Austin, bringing it full circle back to Whoom... thx!
	1:10am ultradamno: @Krull That's a pretty big slice of Sex Pistols history www.youtube.com...
	1:10am Krull Sagan: Haha where is Spodiodioid; his li’l pic seems to be Johnny Rotten these days
	1:11am ultradamno: He was like the UK Tom Snyder.
	1:11am mariano: Yep, ultradamno. Everyone including Grundy was really drunk apparently, and Steve Jones got ticked at him when he made a comment to Siouxsie about meeting her backstage later, called him a "dirty old fucker" or something like that. One of the best things to happen on TV. The most awkward detail is perhaps that Siouxsie was wearing a swastika armband.
	1:11am ultradamno: At least insofar as Johnny Rotten was around to make fools of both of them.
	1:13am mariano: Speaking of Tom Snyder, his interview with Kiss, when Ace was absolutely wasted, is some good watching. Ace has this hyena laugh that's weirdly infectious, and he kept interrupting and pissing off Gene. Which makes it all the better.
	1:13am slugluv1313: damn, they have a Wiki page! en.wikipedia.org... at some point back then, i dubbed my friend from Yonkers and his friends "The Yonkers Contingent" :)
	1:13am ultradamno: Ironic swastikas were pretty common. I keep wondering when the Blondie backlash will happen over such flirtations (including the band name itself)
	1:14am Somm Ben: I went to the Misfits reunion concert in Newark two years ago, and some dude had some SS tatoos. Not right!
	1:15am slugluv1313: @ultradamno -- recalling "The Legend of Nick Detroit" issue of Punk magazine
	1:15am Somm Ben: We gots to keep the punk clean of that.
	1:16am ultradamno: Ron Asheton went all out with it.
	1:17am Krull Sagan: Looks like it wasn’t Siouxsie wearing the swastika whew
	1:17am ultradamno: I think Jones said in an interview once the the movie The Night Porter was influence on such behavior.
	1:17am slugluv1313: Jayne County is the coolest! met her (and Leee Black Childers!) when she did a signing at Tower for her "Are You Man Enough To Be A Woman" -- i was working there and had ALL the 45s, EPs with me -- they were happy that i still had them!
	1:18am mariano: Yeah, I think in the early days of UK punk the swastika was meant to shock and wasn't a pro-Nazi thing. I think part of it is that WWII means different things to different countries. For the US it's much more about the Holocaust than in the UK. In the UK it's much more about how they held out alone against Germany till the US joined the war. I think for the UK punks at the time, the swastika was more a symbol of affront to British society in general. Oh shit, did I get that detail wrong about Siouxsie? I'm both really sorry and really relieved. Stupid memory.
	1:18am ultradamno: Well, maybe not there, but... flashbak.com...
	1:19am TomDash: @sluluv1313 - when I first moved to NYC in the 90s, Jayne County had a great backing band like the Electric Chairs and she did all the hits...sounded just like the old band...was great!
	1:19am pp: Loud Fast Rules
	1:20am slugluv1313: @mariano -- absolutely! remembering an interview from back then (maybe with Siousxie?) about how that was the reasoning behind bringing all the "fetish" gear outta the closet too -- and putting ALL that stuff right out there in public
	1:20am Somm Ben: @ mariano - I think you're probably right some UK peeps made use of the swastika in kind of a tongue-in-cheek way. Scary thing about this guy at the Misfits concert was that he was under 30, definitely well past that ironic usage.
	1:21am Krull Sagan: Ach, dammit Damno, wtf was that shite, ridiculous, and also thanks nonetheless. Yeesh.
	1:21am Somm Ben: But maybe not too young - didn't Prince Harry get in trouble for wearing a Nazi uniform to some party?
	1:22am @5pangl3r: DIDJITS FOR FUCKING EVER
	1:23am TomDash: Hey @pp - good requests...I used to have Loud Fast Rules, and I wish I had NNB!
	1:23am ultradamno: Well, I think a lot the same thing was the case with the US punk as well, I don't think The Stooges, Ramones, Dictators or Blondie were nazis or white supremacists, it was just a deliberately offensive, juvenile gesture
	1:23am mariano: ultradamno: Now I'm neither sorry nor relieved. You monster! What. Have you done. To my faaaaace!
	1:25am Somm Ben: @ ultradamno, fair point. At least that band Dicks from Austin set the record straight on being Anti-Fascist. The Clash in UK fought for the left.
	1:25am matty from brooklyn: Good song choice. Also, this might be one of the best singles sets in recent FMU history! Keep killin it;
	1:26am Richy4619: ♪┏(·o·)┛♪┗ ( ·o·) ┓
	1:28am TomDash: awww, man thanks @matty - I'm blushing...really glad you're digging!
	1:29am mariano: Did all those groups use swastikas? Never thought about it, but I guess I can see it. I remember a while back seeing a shot of the MC5 on stage back in the day, a Confederate flag as the backdrop. Obviously they weren't white supremacists, I think back then lots of people saw it more as a general symbol of rebellion.
	1:29am ultradamno: Ilsa was probably another active influence along with Night Porter, there something going on in the mid to late seventies across the board with swastika fetishism.
	1:29am egould310: “I don't think The Stooges, Ramones, Dictators or Blondie were nazis or white supremacists” Yeah. About half the personnel from those bands are Jewish. I don’t think they were nazis.
	1:31am Richy4619: nazi punks fuck off!
	1:31am Somm Ben: Hell yeah Richy!
	1:32am ultradamno: I don't if they all wore swastikas for sure, Asheton certainly had a full stormtrooper uniform and there's a lot of referencing in Ramones lyrics (Dee Dee grew up in Berlin, which has something to do with it), Blondie are named after Hitler's dog and definitely did some dress up, Dictators had Master Race Rock and stuff like that. Meanwhile, The New York Dolls went Soviet, which was the other end of the same impulse.
	1:33am Krull Sagan: Well that’s the first time I’ve come across the word “nazisploitation” on the wiki for Night Porter...which is surprising given my back issues of Fangoria magazine
	1:34am Krull Sagan: [lemmy and the dude from slayer traded nazi memorabilia, on the Metal side]
	1:36am mariano: ultradamno (@1:29): The 50s too, those Nazi S&M erotica novels. Some wild covers. And remember years ago when the head of Formula One, British aristocrat, was caught on film in a Nazi bondage scenario, where he was dressed like a camp inmate? Krull: You wanna see weird, look at what I just stumbled across while looking up Nazisploitation: en.wikipedia.org...
	1:36am ultradamno: Lemmy is a good example of someone who always flirted with nazi aircraft imagery and iron crosses but was more lefty in his politics than the norm for metal
	1:36am Krull Sagan: A whole different can of worms I suppose, the metal side
	1:37am Somm Ben: @ mariano - clicked on the link. Yikes.
	1:38am ultradamno: Because that leads to black metal and Euro white nationalism
	1:38am Krull Sagan: Mariano, whoa.... Damno, yeah it is too prevalent to be that interesting
	1:38am pp: thanks, just tossing out precursor bands to those being played :)
	1:38am ultradamno: I like all the words Tom is using now.
	1:39am Somm Ben: I remember at my old summer camp there was this weird cabin on the edge of camp called 'Stalag 13'. I shudder to think of what happened there.
	1:40am matty from brooklyn: hope to hear some black leather jesus and the Rita
	1:40am ultradamno: Yikes. I would avoid all the stalags for that matter.
	1:40am Aitch: You knew nuthink?
	1:40am TomDash: another one from the wife's collection...
	1:42am egould310: Yes! Husker Du. Thanks, Tom. Going to keep listening, but I’m off chat as I have a couple hours of work to do. Great show. G’night to all the fellow dots and dashes.
	1:43am ultradamno: I remember the first proper punk show I ever went to was TSOL/Zero Boys/Articles Of Faith/Battered Youth at K9 Dog College in Indy and Land Speed Record had just come out and everyone was excited about it
	1:46am TomDash: see ya egould310 - thanks for hanging!
	1:48am slugluv1313: YIKES indeed @Somm Ben, @mariano reminds me of the first "porno" book i read -- "The Bitch of Buchenwald" -- about Ilse Koch, my best friend in 7th grade found it under her parents' mattress
	1:49am slugluv1313: good night, egould310!
	1:50am ultradamno: Well, I guess I can see why someone would fantasize about her allthatsinteresting.com...
	1:50am Somm Ben: May your work go smoothly, egould
	1:50am mariano: slugluv: Eeeek! I mean, I guess I can understand how stuff like that happens, the Stalag fiction and all that, because some people seem to end up fetishizing the thing that traumatized them. Apparently Lawrence of Arabia developed a taste for flogging and other torture after being in a Turkish prison. 'Night egould.
	1:51am slugluv1313: cool! Au Pairs! saw them only once, Mudd Club -- amazing show
	1:54am TomDash: wish I go to see Au Pairs...
	1:55am matty from brooklyn: Want to keep listening, but my eyeballs say otherwise. Doesn't matter, because I'm recording this episode in the morning. An amazing first part of the show. One of the best singles going steady episodes ever!
	1:55am TomDash: thanks so much matty - see ya on the message board again soon...
	2:01am ultradamno: Would anyone think of them as proto-goth if they hadn't done that one song about an actor who played Dracula?
	2:03am pp: saw the Huskers w/ the DKs at the Mpls Armory, where the Lakers used to play. It then got converted to a parking garage, but then got reconverted to a music venue in time to host JLo for the Super Bowl. Like JLo, a historical landmark :)
	2:04am Jedley: ❤️ Mo-dettes ❤️
	2:05am slugluv1313: @mariano -- eeek is right! i was 12, did not really know who Ilse Koch was, and was curious about reading a "dirty" book -- in retrospect, the thing that freaks me out the most is that my friend's parents had it
	2:06am slugluv1313: good night, matty from brooklyn!
	2:07am TomDash: If you have a RADIO HEART...pledge to the show and WFMU! How's that for a tie-in?
	2:07am mariano: True, ultradamno. They don't fit neatly into the goth category. Still pretty dark though. But they have elements of funk and disco in the rhythm of some songs: 16th notes on the high hats, bass playing runs of octaves, etc. slugluv: That's what my eek was about! Like a horror story, finding out your parents are Nazi fetishists. 'Night matty.
	2:07am slugluv1313: Tom, you are playing the coolest records!
	2:08am mariano: Yeah Tom, this show crossed the line into legendary a good while back.
	2:08am ultradamno: So I started this poll earlier today inspired by Spin Age Blasters, as to who has the best song called Iron Man. Black Sabbath are running away with it. twitter.com...
	2:09am Jedley: $355 to go, folks! Your $10 can get Tom a few percent of the way
	2:10am TomDash: Thanks guys, this is one of my favorite shows yet! So much fun...
	2:10am slugluv1313: @mariano -- ah, got it! yeah, and she had two older brothers -- out of high school but still in their teens, or early 20s -- would have been less unnerving if one of them had it
	2:10am mariano: ultradamno: Does the Cardigans' cover count? Sorry, didn't mean for that to sound like the beginning of a tongue twister.
	2:12am ultradamno: If you want to write it in, sure. I didn't know they did that.
	2:22am mariano: Oh really? It's very loungey. I'm not on Twitter though - so no prize for them!
	2:24am Kate: Gotta second that modettes love @Jedley! Great show Tom!!
	2:26am TomDash: Hey thanks Kate!
	2:29am Jedley: Hey Kate!
	2:29am ultradamno: Alright, mariano. I did it for you. twitter.com...
	2:32am mariano: ultradamno: Corruption! Corruption, I say! I have been most cruelly robbed of my franchise, and I will have satisfaction -- pistolets at ten paces in Jackson Square 'pon the morrow, sir!
	2:33am ultradamno: The morrow? That sounds early...
	2:33am mariano: (Sometimes I fear I'm taking this whole return-to-New-Orleans thing a tad too seriously.)
	2:34am ultradamno: Hey, I have this record!
	2:35am ledzeppelinsucks: that's great
	2:35am mariano: ultradamno: Fair enough. After lunch maybe?
	2:37am ultradamno: Yeah, that sounds. Do they have pistolets at Wal-Mart? I'll figure it out.
	2:38am ultradamno: sound, um OK, that is.
	2:40am ultradamno: I'm looking at this list of the 50 best britpop records and, uh...that ENTIRE thing just got past me. I can remember hearing Elastica...
	2:41am mariano: I'd just DIY the pistolets, ultradamno. Yeah, that's the ticket.
	2:44am ultradamno: Oh, wait. Cornershop. I have some Cornershop albums. OK. That should kill the morning off for you (and tire him out while I'll be fresh and rested...it's all going according to plan...heh heh heh)
	2:48am mariano: You called me "Twitter celibate," ultradamno? Not true. I do just fine, believe me. I've been with many Twitters.
	2:49am ultradamno: We call them tweeps, man. Gaw.
	2:51am mariano: You know damn well what I meant and you're obviously just jealous. This interview is over. [puts hand over camera]
	2:51am ultradamno: So Honey Bane was one of the overlaps earlier, was the other Mekons?
	2:52am TomDash: ultrad - han I was thinking of playing Jonee Jonee
	2:52am mariano: Honey Bane sounds like Batman's sweetest nemesis.
	2:54am ultradamno: That makes more sense, there's so many Mekons singles to choose from. Like Bane's teen daughter. She'd break Batman's back while he was pointedly not paying attention to her.
	2:54am TomDash: Alright folks, wrapping up...thanks so much for tuning in and hanging, had such a blast...next week's weirdness is gonna be more moody, long jams, rituals and synths etc...see y'all soon!
	2:55am Nulsh: Cheers TomDash!
	2:55am Jedley: Thanks from the west coast
	2:56am slugluv1313: LOVE Honey Bane! her "Guilty" is an all time favorite -- one of the best songs ever, imho
	2:56am mariano: Lol, ultradamno! Thanks so much, TomDash, this is one for the record books. Every track buh-lazed. Thanks Crew, 'night all!
	2:57am slugluv1313: @mariano -- haha, yeah i saw that too -- "twitter celibate"
	2:58am ultradamno: Thanks Tom! Skeletons! Everyone for the chatting! Night.
	2:58am TomDash: thanks y'all...til next week
	2:58am slugluv1313: Honey Bane was associated with Poison Girls -- i think her Mom was the lead singer? "Girl On The Run" is killer too -- raw and visceral
	2:59am slugluv1313: fantastic show, Tom -- thanks so much!
	2:59am ultradamno: Vi Subversa? Footage of her singing Old Tart's Song twitter.com...
	3:00am mariano: Ooh, I think this is the Go4 song they played on "Urgh! A Music War."
	3:00am ledzeppelinsucks: delicious show
	3:01am slugluv1313: @ultradamno -- YES! was spacing out on her name (and yeah, i still have all those records too! geez, i have GOT to get them all organized)
	3:01am slugluv1313: GANG!! <3
	3:01am ultradamno: Hex in particular is great!

Tom Dash: Playlist from October 21, 2020

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