WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from August 24, 2020

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtillenarians!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Oh Good, a show to go with "The End OF NYC".
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Techtonicinothcet's!
	6:02pm iiibeat: Can traces of our universe continue on via ripples through the multiverse?
	6:02pm Mark Hurst: @ultra @Webham @iiibeat hi!
	6:02pm Mark Hurst: Hi @Bas, sabih!
	🤖 6:03pm PaulRobeson1920: Good Summer evening ya’ll! The Pigeon sent me
	6:03pm Mark Hurst: @PaulR, welcome, fellow glistener!
	6:04pm iiibeat: Yo.
	6:04pm listener james from westwood: Katie Mack!! Outstanding Twitter follow of mine!
	6:05pm lukavino: Mark, i got my Techtonic Tips on saturday, what a lovely little booklet.
	6:06pm David in London: Hello Technoids, London calling. Evening Mark. Hey ultradamno.
	6:06pm Mark Hurst: @lukavino - thanks! Credit also to Greg Harrison for the excellent graphic design.
	6:06pm Mark Hurst: @James yes she's great @DiL thanks for joining!
	6:07pm TDK60: Hello Mark.
	🤖 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: Good evening, Mark. I'm backing the Giant Meteor 2020 platform!
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: You'll get great odds if you place a bet.
	6:08pm Mark Hurst: @TDK good to see you! @KfHP you'll want to stay tuned to the playlist to the end of the show
	6:09pm chris: it will call us squishy, and squishy will be our name. hi, Mark and folks.
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yay! Or maybe I should I say "Oh dear"?
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: hey @chris!
	6:10pm dave miss: Howdy techies
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: welcome, dave
	6:11pm David in London: Mark, you may not necessarily be up to speed on student grade assessment here in the U.K. this summer, but an algorithm was very publicly applied and it ended up as a spectacular clusterfuck of epic proportions sufficient to force a rapid government climb-down.
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: @DiL I actually got the audio of the protest chant - muting every third word makes it not really usable on-air - but YES i'd like to talk about that situation at some point
	6:12pm queems: i just burst into tears over wasted cat medicine so idk if i can handle end of the world cyborgs today
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: BTW the intelligent Robot Takeover and subsequent slaughter of humans is the central plot point of DC Comics' Superman villain Braniac.(back in the 60s)
	6:13pm ultradamno: Hiya DiL!
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: hi @queems, well, I'm happy you're here!
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: I think we'll nuke each other first ... or the AIs will ("The Doomsday Machine")
	6:14pm queems: thanks mark hurst, i'm glad murderous cyborgs aren't yet
	6:16pm chris: but the changes to the night sky will be kinda cool for the final humans on earth.
	6:16pm iiibeat: If we don't redistribute wealth and put AI into subservience for the benefit of all . . The oligarchs will exploit their dominance toward the chance of a Matrix like subservience. Human batteries.
	🤖 6:16pm Ken From Hyde Park: Snake Plisskin? Oh, end of the universe.
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: "That won't happen for billions of years, Alvy!"
	6:17pm iiibeat: This is the ONLY reason I would have liked to see Bernie Sanders as president.
	🤖 6:17pm PaulRobeson1920: No end and no beginning . It all has always been and always shall be, babyyy
	6:18pm Dave Miss: Hi Queems
	🤖 6:18pm PaulRobeson1920: Haha... To everything, Turn, Turn, Turn
	6:18pm ultradamno: Eyeball planets for the future nautil.us...
	6:20pm Chud: Hi all! Mark, have you ever read anything by Greg Egan?
	6:21pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Sure, but what about one-loop instability in the very metric itself?
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: @Chud not yet! Is there something in particular by Egan you'd recommend?
	6:23pm iiibeat: David Bohm
	🤖 6:25pm Bas NL: Never heard that before..
	6:25pm iiibeat: The film "Infinite Potential" about him is on YouTube
	6:25pm Chud: @Mark I thought 'Diaspora' treated a post-human existence in an interesting way
	6:26pm iiibeat: There is always unknown influence.
	6:29pm northguineahills: Talk about the Big Crunch just made me hungry, I should eat...
	🤖 6:30pm Ken From Hyde Park: Another way for life on Earth to perish — a Gamma-ray burst.
	6:34pm coelacanth∅: hahaha the universe will not ever end! what a silly idea! the idea contradicts the definition of the word "universe". ...our little world, as far as we can imagine it may end.
	🤖 6:34pm PaulRobeson1920: In regards to The Bomb- Einstein cautioned that "we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophe." Nuclear armament is madness... And so it goes
	6:34pm ultradamno: Reminds me of the initial theory that the atomic bomb might set the atmosphere on fire.
	6:35pm northguineahills: thanks for addresseing (con)CERN conspiracies....
	6:36pm Carmichael: The universe may not ever end, but mankind can make it stop.
	🤖 6:36pm PaulRobeson1920: What The Bomb will do is kill every women, man, and child east of the Mississippi river in the first ten minutes of a nuclear conflict! (To paraphrase Kennedy)
	6:38pm coelacanth∅: and a "parallel universe" would be just part of the universe. they really should come up with a term that makes sense.
	6:39pm ultradamno: @paul Well, sure. There are upsides.
	6:40pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Yeah, many-worlds is basically useless for science fiction because all these universes are causally disconnected from each other, with no communication or travel between them possible—the hypothesis doesn't give you anything useful otherwise.
	6:40pm coelacanth∅: ultra d haha
	6:42pm coelacanth∅: "mars colonizers" are more foolish than "flat earthers"
	6:43pm Carmichael: We can always just shift to another universe ...
	6:44pm ultradamno: Venus may have once been more habitable than Mars ever was but for global warming www.nasa.gov...
	6:44pm northguineahills: If quatum foam actually shows anything (according to theorists), there are other 'universes' w/ different physical properties, (not to be confused w/ the multiverse theory)>
	6:44pm coelacanth∅: i guess "everything" could end, as long as it remains true that the entire universe revolves around humans. (particularly humans who reside in the united states)
	6:45pm dave miss: Here’s to our dark section of LANIAKEA! Here here!
	6:47pm northguineahills: @Mark: See the books series/TV show, 'The Expanse"
	🤖 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: Some are probably claiming the air is on fire in the CZU conflagration currently raging in California.
	6:49pm Carmichael: "You can't fix stupid."
	🤖 6:49pm chresti: They want to escape?
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920: Buckminster Fuller wrote about spaceship earth. We have enough on Earth for 100% of humanity. We must move from investments in Killingly towards livingry... Where is that vision today?
	6:50pm Sporadic Disturbance: But .... humankind isn't of any importance in the grand scheme of things. We are simply irrelevant. Let's not kid ourselves. Enjoy what you have for now. It isn't so bad.
	6:50pm Old Dave: Amen, Brother
	6:50pm ultradamno: A theme ('consciousness transference') on the netflix show Hemlock Grove.
	6:50pm TDK60: Good show. Big questions.
	6:50pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Well, they (and other rich people) have long been pushing the line that they are the Great Guys From Whom All Blessings Flow. That is to say, Randroidism, to one extent or another. However, I must say that I am a transhumanist. Why? Because I've met humans, and I know one of them from the inside, and I don't think a Serengeti Mark II brain is adequate to the level of power we've got.
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Bezos and the gang probably want to start a Rollerball league next year.
	6:51pm ultradamno: Though it seems to me if you put your consciousness in another body/robot/'puter whatever and your body dies, you're still dead.
	🤖 6:52pm PaulRobeson1920: I wonder if the Mars folks have read Any Ray Bradbury?
	6:52pm Carmichael: Jah na thin! Jah na thin!
	6:53pm (Murakami Whywolf))): If you like Niven, just imagine that Pournelle wrote most of that book. They've also got one, "Fallen Angels", written with Michael Flynn, in which Global Winter has happened, and environmentalists who wanted to limit carbon emissions are the villains.
	6:53pm coelacanth∅: Paul they've already arranged a "welcoming party". barbecue and everything
	6:53pm Listener Robert: "Lucifer's Hammer" was also the most hilariously politically incorrect novel imaginable! I won't spoil it, but by the time you get to the last pages, you'll know. I'm pretty sure Jerry Pournelle did intend the satire.
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1920: Gotta LoVE WFMU
	6:54pm Carmichael: To Better Serve Man.
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Think Exploration is definitely in our nature - but to discount the astonishingly unique Jewel that is Earth & the evolution of Life - the whole Environment right here - is a catastrophic vacuum event within the mind, heart & conscience of Homo Sapiens here already & now. Terraforming another undeserving planet is so far out ahead of us @ present it's essentially Captain Nemo pathology to consider it within our foreseeable grasp in any probable way.
	6:54pm (((Murakami Whywolf): ultradamno: Their argument is that it's as much death as falling asleep and waking-up. I'll reserve judgement until I get the opportunity.
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:55pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark!
	6:56pm coelacanth∅: - and therefore the Greatest radio station in the UNIVERSE
	6:56pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! I have lots more to read now.
	6:56pm David in London: When those Thai kids were trapped in that watery cave, which came damned near becoming their watery grave, Musk was babbling on uselessly about mini submarines. It actually took a couple of highly skilled divers, who managed to effect the rescue. That was a classic corrective to the tech myth, there no substitute for a skilled, brave person with a desire to help others in the physical world.
	6:56pm Mark Hurst: @coel agreed!
	6:56pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	6:56pm chris: thanks, Mark!
	6:56pm Baja Joe: Great show Mark. Most interesting. Really.
	6:56pm Mark Hurst: @DiL good example
	6:56pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Listener Robert: No, I think Pournelle might have hammed it up to better troll decent folk, but I think he devoutly (he was some sort of Catholic, I gather, even though there's this story I heard in which he was bent on adultery) believed in the opinions of the 'Good' Guys in that book.
	6:56pm ultradamno: Unless they were pedos.
	6:56pm Mark Hurst: @Baja Joe thanks!
	🤖 6:57pm Michael in Montclair: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: Amen, David
	6:57pm Sporadic Disturbance: Great show Mark. Big thanks.
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks for being with us, @Michael i. M.
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: appreciate it, Sporadic!
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark
	6:59pm Listener Robert: Those of you who migth want to know, I'll put in vertical spoiler space re Lucifer: The heroes use nuclear power, fight with poison gas, and wind up enslaving the bad guys, who are mostly black. end
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Good stuff
	7:05pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Yup, I still say Pournelle was laying it on thick to troll, but basically believed all that stuff might be appropriate. Note that from the early '80s on he was on one or two 'defence' advisory boards. As an example, I'd say that he would firmly deny being racist, but blame their culture and White Liberals for making those black people the bad guys not up to Saving the World.
	🤖 7:05pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from August 24, 2020

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Katie Mack, author of "The End of Everything," on the end of the universe
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack	No label
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"			0:00:55 (Pop-up)
	Interview with Katie Mack "Interview with Katie Mack"			0:17:32 (Pop-up)
	Mark's comments after the interview "Mark's comments after the interview"			0:42:50 (Pop-up)
Eric Bibb and Needed Time	Just Keep Goin' On	World Playground - A Musical Adventure For Kids	Putumayo Kids	0:55:33 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtillenarians!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Oh Good, a show to go with "The End OF NYC".
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Techtonicinothcet's!
	6:02pm iiibeat: Can traces of our universe continue on via ripples through the multiverse?
	6:02pm Mark Hurst: @ultra @Webham @iiibeat hi!
	6:02pm Mark Hurst: Hi @Bas, sabih!
	🤖 6:03pm PaulRobeson1920: Good Summer evening ya’ll! The Pigeon sent me
	6:03pm Mark Hurst: @PaulR, welcome, fellow glistener!
	6:04pm iiibeat: Yo.
	6:04pm listener james from westwood: Katie Mack!! Outstanding Twitter follow of mine!
	6:05pm lukavino: Mark, i got my Techtonic Tips on saturday, what a lovely little booklet.
	6:06pm David in London: Hello Technoids, London calling. Evening Mark. Hey ultradamno.
	6:06pm Mark Hurst: @lukavino - thanks! Credit also to Greg Harrison for the excellent graphic design.
	6:06pm Mark Hurst: @James yes she's great @DiL thanks for joining!
	6:07pm TDK60: Hello Mark.
	🤖 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: Good evening, Mark. I'm backing the Giant Meteor 2020 platform!
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: You'll get great odds if you place a bet.
	6:08pm Mark Hurst: @TDK good to see you! @KfHP you'll want to stay tuned to the playlist to the end of the show
	6:09pm chris: it will call us squishy, and squishy will be our name. hi, Mark and folks.
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yay! Or maybe I should I say "Oh dear"?
	6:09pm Mark Hurst: hey @chris!
	6:10pm dave miss: Howdy techies
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: welcome, dave
	6:11pm David in London: Mark, you may not necessarily be up to speed on student grade assessment here in the U.K. this summer, but an algorithm was very publicly applied and it ended up as a spectacular clusterfuck of epic proportions sufficient to force a rapid government climb-down.
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: @DiL I actually got the audio of the protest chant - muting every third word makes it not really usable on-air - but YES i'd like to talk about that situation at some point
	6:12pm queems: i just burst into tears over wasted cat medicine so idk if i can handle end of the world cyborgs today
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: BTW the intelligent Robot Takeover and subsequent slaughter of humans is the central plot point of DC Comics' Superman villain Braniac.(back in the 60s)
	6:13pm ultradamno: Hiya DiL!
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: hi @queems, well, I'm happy you're here!
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: I think we'll nuke each other first ... or the AIs will ("The Doomsday Machine")
	6:14pm queems: thanks mark hurst, i'm glad murderous cyborgs aren't yet
	6:16pm chris: but the changes to the night sky will be kinda cool for the final humans on earth.
	6:16pm iiibeat: If we don't redistribute wealth and put AI into subservience for the benefit of all . . The oligarchs will exploit their dominance toward the chance of a Matrix like subservience. Human batteries.
	🤖 6:16pm Ken From Hyde Park: Snake Plisskin? Oh, end of the universe.
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: "That won't happen for billions of years, Alvy!"
	6:17pm iiibeat: This is the ONLY reason I would have liked to see Bernie Sanders as president.
	🤖 6:17pm PaulRobeson1920: No end and no beginning . It all has always been and always shall be, babyyy
	6:18pm Dave Miss: Hi Queems
	🤖 6:18pm PaulRobeson1920: Haha... To everything, Turn, Turn, Turn
	6:18pm ultradamno: Eyeball planets for the future nautil.us...
	6:20pm Chud: Hi all! Mark, have you ever read anything by Greg Egan?
	6:21pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Sure, but what about one-loop instability in the very metric itself?
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: @Chud not yet! Is there something in particular by Egan you'd recommend?
	6:23pm iiibeat: David Bohm
	🤖 6:25pm Bas NL: Never heard that before..
	6:25pm iiibeat: The film "Infinite Potential" about him is on YouTube
	6:25pm Chud: @Mark I thought 'Diaspora' treated a post-human existence in an interesting way
	6:26pm iiibeat: There is always unknown influence.
	6:29pm northguineahills: Talk about the Big Crunch just made me hungry, I should eat...
	🤖 6:30pm Ken From Hyde Park: Another way for life on Earth to perish — a Gamma-ray burst.
	6:34pm coelacanth∅: hahaha the universe will not ever end! what a silly idea! the idea contradicts the definition of the word "universe". ...our little world, as far as we can imagine it may end.
	🤖 6:34pm PaulRobeson1920: In regards to The Bomb- Einstein cautioned that "we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophe." Nuclear armament is madness... And so it goes
	6:34pm ultradamno: Reminds me of the initial theory that the atomic bomb might set the atmosphere on fire.
	6:35pm northguineahills: thanks for addresseing (con)CERN conspiracies....
	6:36pm Carmichael: The universe may not ever end, but mankind can make it stop.
	🤖 6:36pm PaulRobeson1920: What The Bomb will do is kill every women, man, and child east of the Mississippi river in the first ten minutes of a nuclear conflict! (To paraphrase Kennedy)
	6:38pm coelacanth∅: and a "parallel universe" would be just part of the universe. they really should come up with a term that makes sense.
	6:39pm ultradamno: @paul Well, sure. There are upsides.
	6:40pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Yeah, many-worlds is basically useless for science fiction because all these universes are causally disconnected from each other, with no communication or travel between them possible—the hypothesis doesn't give you anything useful otherwise.
	6:40pm coelacanth∅: ultra d haha
	6:42pm coelacanth∅: "mars colonizers" are more foolish than "flat earthers"
	6:43pm Carmichael: We can always just shift to another universe ...
	6:44pm ultradamno: Venus may have once been more habitable than Mars ever was but for global warming www.nasa.gov...
	6:44pm northguineahills: If quatum foam actually shows anything (according to theorists), there are other 'universes' w/ different physical properties, (not to be confused w/ the multiverse theory)>
	6:44pm coelacanth∅: i guess "everything" could end, as long as it remains true that the entire universe revolves around humans. (particularly humans who reside in the united states)
	6:45pm dave miss: Here’s to our dark section of LANIAKEA! Here here!
	6:47pm northguineahills: @Mark: See the books series/TV show, 'The Expanse"
	🤖 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: Some are probably claiming the air is on fire in the CZU conflagration currently raging in California.
	6:49pm Carmichael: "You can't fix stupid."
	🤖 6:49pm chresti: They want to escape?
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920: Buckminster Fuller wrote about spaceship earth. We have enough on Earth for 100% of humanity. We must move from investments in Killingly towards livingry... Where is that vision today?
	6:50pm Sporadic Disturbance: But .... humankind isn't of any importance in the grand scheme of things. We are simply irrelevant. Let's not kid ourselves. Enjoy what you have for now. It isn't so bad.
	6:50pm Old Dave: Amen, Brother
	6:50pm ultradamno: A theme ('consciousness transference') on the netflix show Hemlock Grove.
	6:50pm TDK60: Good show. Big questions.
	6:50pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Well, they (and other rich people) have long been pushing the line that they are the Great Guys From Whom All Blessings Flow. That is to say, Randroidism, to one extent or another. However, I must say that I am a transhumanist. Why? Because I've met humans, and I know one of them from the inside, and I don't think a Serengeti Mark II brain is adequate to the level of power we've got.
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Bezos and the gang probably want to start a Rollerball league next year.
	6:51pm ultradamno: Though it seems to me if you put your consciousness in another body/robot/'puter whatever and your body dies, you're still dead.
	🤖 6:52pm PaulRobeson1920: I wonder if the Mars folks have read Any Ray Bradbury?
	6:52pm Carmichael: Jah na thin! Jah na thin!
	6:53pm (Murakami Whywolf))): If you like Niven, just imagine that Pournelle wrote most of that book. They've also got one, "Fallen Angels", written with Michael Flynn, in which Global Winter has happened, and environmentalists who wanted to limit carbon emissions are the villains.
	6:53pm coelacanth∅: Paul they've already arranged a "welcoming party". barbecue and everything
	6:53pm Listener Robert: "Lucifer's Hammer" was also the most hilariously politically incorrect novel imaginable! I won't spoil it, but by the time you get to the last pages, you'll know. I'm pretty sure Jerry Pournelle did intend the satire.
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1920: Gotta LoVE WFMU
	6:54pm Carmichael: To Better Serve Man.
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Think Exploration is definitely in our nature - but to discount the astonishingly unique Jewel that is Earth & the evolution of Life - the whole Environment right here - is a catastrophic vacuum event within the mind, heart & conscience of Homo Sapiens here already & now. Terraforming another undeserving planet is so far out ahead of us @ present it's essentially Captain Nemo pathology to consider it within our foreseeable grasp in any probable way.
	6:54pm (((Murakami Whywolf): ultradamno: Their argument is that it's as much death as falling asleep and waking-up. I'll reserve judgement until I get the opportunity.
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:55pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark!
	6:56pm coelacanth∅: - and therefore the Greatest radio station in the UNIVERSE
	6:56pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! I have lots more to read now.
	6:56pm David in London: When those Thai kids were trapped in that watery cave, which came damned near becoming their watery grave, Musk was babbling on uselessly about mini submarines. It actually took a couple of highly skilled divers, who managed to effect the rescue. That was a classic corrective to the tech myth, there no substitute for a skilled, brave person with a desire to help others in the physical world.
	6:56pm Mark Hurst: @coel agreed!
	6:56pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	6:56pm chris: thanks, Mark!
	6:56pm Baja Joe: Great show Mark. Most interesting. Really.
	6:56pm Mark Hurst: @DiL good example
	6:56pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Listener Robert: No, I think Pournelle might have hammed it up to better troll decent folk, but I think he devoutly (he was some sort of Catholic, I gather, even though there's this story I heard in which he was bent on adultery) believed in the opinions of the 'Good' Guys in that book.
	6:56pm ultradamno: Unless they were pedos.
	6:56pm Mark Hurst: @Baja Joe thanks!
	🤖 6:57pm Michael in Montclair: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: Amen, David
	6:57pm Sporadic Disturbance: Great show Mark. Big thanks.
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks for being with us, @Michael i. M.
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: appreciate it, Sporadic!
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark
	6:59pm Listener Robert: Those of you who migth want to know, I'll put in vertical spoiler space re Lucifer: The heroes use nuclear power, fight with poison gas, and wind up enslaving the bad guys, who are mostly black. end
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Good stuff
	7:05pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Yup, I still say Pournelle was laying it on thick to troll, but basically believed all that stuff might be appropriate. Note that from the early '80s on he was on one or two 'defence' advisory boards. As an example, I'd say that he would firmly deny being racist, but blame their culture and White Liberals for making those black people the bad guys not up to Saving the World.
	🤖 7:05pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!

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