WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 15, 2020

Listener comments!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hey Mark! Techscampers!
	6:02pm David in London: Hello Technoids. Evening Mark.
	6:02pm chris: hey, Mark and techwarys. does this show come with an invite code to hey.com? :)
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark and Chatterers!
	6:02pm Baja Joe: Hidey Ho!
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Mark! ultradamno! Other Techtonicheys!
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hiya Bas!
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Corona virus! Murder hornets! Surveille ants!
	6:05pm David in London: Hey ultradamno.
	6:05pm Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, chris, Webham, Baja Joe, Bas, and KfHP! Thanks for joining in. Sorry, no invite codes, Chris!
	6:05pm Mark Hurst: Hi David!
	6:05pm ultradamno: DiL!
	6:05pm P-90: Hello Mark and Hurstopians
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: I'm on panix, and you can use Squirrelmail as the web client and pine as the shell client. #oldschool
	6:06pm Megaroni: Wow, good news! Thanks Techtonic for keeping us on the pulse of positive tech news
	6:07pm Mark Hurst: Hi P-90, hi & thanks, Megaroni!
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: Swagmail is (in) the future! I love the anticipation..
	6:07pm David in London: Mark, I always get a slight shudder of technofear whenever you do your signature half chuckle.
	6:08pm Mark Hurst: The phrase "half chuckle" does sound kind of scary
	6:09pm ultradamno: Bisected giggle is more sinister.
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: We'll be back to the 100% surveillance , AI Singularity, and tech evil NEXT week.
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: 3 letter TLD: must cost a lot!
	6:11pm Dave Miss: Howdy all. Or should I say HEY!
	6:12pm ?: Hay.com sells furniture? See that should have been a rule at the beginning of the internet. Your name should have to be what you actually do. So Amazon, which does nothing to help the rainforest, would be forced to be called books.com or lotsofcrap.com or something.
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: Hi Dave, hi ?
	6:15pm Fredericks: What is CRM?
	6:15pm Buddha of Suburbia: Hi gang!
	6:15pm Fuzzy: Nice old disk drives -- brings back memories!
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: Hi Fredericks, Buddha, Fuzzy!
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: @Fredericks "customer relationship management" - basically a database of customers allowing companies/organizations to keep track of who bought (or donated) what
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: @Mark: gotta link to that email manifesto, or is if buried on Basecamp.com somewhere?
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: Manifesto is on the homepage of hey.com
	6:17pm Fredericks: Hello, Mark and Techers.
	6:18pm Fredericks: Thanks for the answer, Mark.
	6:19pm Sam: You can already block people or label them spam. I’d be more worried that I’d say no to someone by mistake and then they’d be trying to reach me about something important and not know I wasn’t getting the messages.
	6:19pm David in London: “Hi, I’m just reaching out to you to....hey...what....hello...hello...?”
	6:19pm coelacanth∅: no you will hear from them forever because they email you from a different source every time. (ie solicitations for money for organisations or solicitations for life insurance...)
	6:20pm ilTofa: Just a test for posting comments (sorry all)
	🤖 6:20pm Bas NL: I remember the days when people exchanged emails when they had something to say... sigh...
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: I can yap about email for an hour some time if you need it. I wrote this product in the late 90s - early 2000s: www.cisco.com...
	6:21pm ultradamno: Making Your Bad Habits Work For Me would be a great Country song.
	6:23pm chris: i've been in the communication and collaboration software game for several decades, and some of these features are true game changers for email. kudos.
	6:23pm David in London: Ultradamno. Get on the banjo and I’ll join in on the jug.
	6:25pm ignatatus666: Imagine if corporate sponsors approach the consumer and offer the consumer money to send them spam?
	🤖 6:27pm Bas NL: Good initiative.. but when will Google take over Hey.com?
	6:28pm ignatatus666: @Sam It’s not that easy Companies have multiple IP addresses and will send you spam via several addresses. Many of them get through the spam filter and then you have to click a link to their website for you to unsubscribe from something you never subscribed to,
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: If you don't load images, you don't get the call back through that tracking pixel. Most of the time, you don't need the images anyway.
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: @Bas I'm pretty sure that Jason and his cofounder would never sell to Google for any price. Similar to what Gabriel Weinberg told me in his first interview on Techtonic (linked at left)
	🤖 6:30pm Webhamster Henry: Proxying the web calls from email is a good idea!
	6:32pm johnzo: wasn't paying attention, is Hey.com free? I know proton costs $ right?
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: Thumb up on remote work.
	6:35pm johnzo: & what was the other one? Im down to pay for email, fuck gmail... but Im definitely going for whichever one of these 3 services is cheapest lol
	🤖 6:36pm Ken From Hyde Park: @johnzo - Individual accounts are $99 per year. www.hey.com...
	6:37pm Fuzzy: Proton has a free basic service and a multi-level premium pay service with VPN service possibly included.
	6:38pm ultradamno: Your Market Value would be a good Gang Of Four song.
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: There's also an ever-growing parade of cancelled Google products and ideas, basically because some other internal group made a competeing product, or it just didn't get the traction needed to satisfy the (evil) bosses.
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: Jason should check out the Pivot For Humanity show: www.wfmu.org...
	6:46pm Mark Hurst: @Webham someone out there maintains the Google Graveyard, something like that - a list of the many, many cancelled products.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: @Mark yeah I love it, right up there like F**kedcompany used to be, but it's only one company!
	6:48pm coelacanth∅: my experience is that duckduckgo results are just as good. slightly different results, but just as good. and their image search is much better than gobble's now.
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: "Nobody knows if you've seen a billboard" --> except they now probably have cameras in them.
	6:49pm P-90: High Quality interview.
	6:49pm Dave Miss: Good interview
	6:50pm Mark Hurst: @P-90 @Dave thanks!
	6:50pm Mark Hurst: @Webham I had the same thought - thinking about (Google-owned) LinkNYC surveillance kiosks here in NYC, each with 3 hidden cameras.
	6:50pm David in London: Godspeed to Jason, good interview.
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: Google reads your emails for several reasons, one of which is just to train AIs in your native language.
	6:51pm lukavino: great interview, Mark. i’ve used Basecamp in past work lives and loved using it/dig their philosophy. Hey sounds worth a free trial at the very least.
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: It might be time for an another interview-less week to catch up with the tech news.
	6:53pm Peter from Dover NJ: Good program, Mark. If one switches from Gmail to e.g. hey.com, what happens if you get email from someone with a gmail addr? Sorry if yiu covered that, I had to miss a few minutes of the program.
	6:54pm laluna: Googles dismissed https://killedbygoogle.com/
	6:57pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm Mark Hurst: @lukavino thanks
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: ... and Hop on Hay!
	6:57pm Mark Hurst: @Webham you read my mind earlier today - been thinking the same thing
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: @Peter they cover that, I think, on the FAQ at hey.com
	6:58pm ultradamno: That pareidolia pic looks smug.
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: @ultra it's watching you... smugly
	6:58pm teod: @Peter A normal email sent between any user and a gmail user will be visible by Google. I believe their terms of service grant them the ability to scan the messages. So they shouldn't have your entire collection of email, but may be able to track some information about your email as the sender. Also, Jason Fried mentioned that Hey will block trackers, meaning Google and other companies will gain less or no information when you open emails containing trackers.
	6:58pm chris: thanks, Mark. great interview. thanks to Jason and the Basecamp crew for another great product.
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: (Hey) ... stupid autocorrect
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: @chris @Bas @David thanks!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: @coel thanks
	6:59pm ultradamno: One that isn't twitter.com...
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: The kid in the workin' from home gif looks like he's singing along
	7:00pm Fuzzy: Thanks, Mark!
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, Fuzzy & everyone!
	7:01pm ultradamno: The top pic woman need a full desktop for a cold, medium, hot internet experience
	7:09pm Petricole: Just got home from work - ready to sink into some Tibetan momos for the first time in months (!) which I expect will pair immaculately with today's show. Thanks Mark and crew. Hope everyone is doing alright.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 15, 2020

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Mon. Nov 4th, 6pm - 7pm: Dystopia update (More info...)
Chatbots are now running rampant - appearing in new-model cars - as we're being told to "be nice to chatbots." Stores are using "digital price tags," which rely on surveillance to set the price to the company's liking. Meantime, Google's AI is giving wrong answers, in some cases, almost half the time. All these and more in Mark's dystopia update.
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June 15, 2020: Jason Fried, cofounder of Basecamp, on launching Hey.com, a new email service

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Tonight: Jason Fried, cofounder of Basecamp, on launching Hey.com, a new email service

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• Past Techtonic episodes with Bron Gondwana (CEO, FastMail) and Gabriel Weinberg (CEO, DuckDuckGo - also this show)

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Artist	Track	Approx. start time
Proof that tech can be good: Jason Fried talks about launching Hey.com, a new email service that respects user privacy.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Jason Fried "Interview with Jason Fried"	0:06:24 (Pop-up)
	Mark's comments after the interview "Mark's comments after the interview"	0:46:31 (Pop-up)
A Frames	Surveillance "Surveillance" by "A Frames"	0:54:41 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hey Mark! Techscampers!
	6:02pm David in London: Hello Technoids. Evening Mark.
	6:02pm chris: hey, Mark and techwarys. does this show come with an invite code to hey.com? :)
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark and Chatterers!
	6:02pm Baja Joe: Hidey Ho!
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Mark! ultradamno! Other Techtonicheys!
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hiya Bas!
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Corona virus! Murder hornets! Surveille ants!
	6:05pm David in London: Hey ultradamno.
	6:05pm Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, chris, Webham, Baja Joe, Bas, and KfHP! Thanks for joining in. Sorry, no invite codes, Chris!
	6:05pm Mark Hurst: Hi David!
	6:05pm ultradamno: DiL!
	6:05pm P-90: Hello Mark and Hurstopians
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: I'm on panix, and you can use Squirrelmail as the web client and pine as the shell client. #oldschool
	6:06pm Megaroni: Wow, good news! Thanks Techtonic for keeping us on the pulse of positive tech news
	6:07pm Mark Hurst: Hi P-90, hi & thanks, Megaroni!
	🤖 6:07pm Bas NL: Swagmail is (in) the future! I love the anticipation..
	6:07pm David in London: Mark, I always get a slight shudder of technofear whenever you do your signature half chuckle.
	6:08pm Mark Hurst: The phrase "half chuckle" does sound kind of scary
	6:09pm ultradamno: Bisected giggle is more sinister.
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: We'll be back to the 100% surveillance , AI Singularity, and tech evil NEXT week.
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: 3 letter TLD: must cost a lot!
	6:11pm Dave Miss: Howdy all. Or should I say HEY!
	6:12pm ?: Hay.com sells furniture? See that should have been a rule at the beginning of the internet. Your name should have to be what you actually do. So Amazon, which does nothing to help the rainforest, would be forced to be called books.com or lotsofcrap.com or something.
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: Hi Dave, hi ?
	6:15pm Fredericks: What is CRM?
	6:15pm Buddha of Suburbia: Hi gang!
	6:15pm Fuzzy: Nice old disk drives -- brings back memories!
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: Hi Fredericks, Buddha, Fuzzy!
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: @Fredericks "customer relationship management" - basically a database of customers allowing companies/organizations to keep track of who bought (or donated) what
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: @Mark: gotta link to that email manifesto, or is if buried on Basecamp.com somewhere?
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: Manifesto is on the homepage of hey.com
	6:17pm Fredericks: Hello, Mark and Techers.
	6:18pm Fredericks: Thanks for the answer, Mark.
	6:19pm Sam: You can already block people or label them spam. I’d be more worried that I’d say no to someone by mistake and then they’d be trying to reach me about something important and not know I wasn’t getting the messages.
	6:19pm David in London: “Hi, I’m just reaching out to you to....hey...what....hello...hello...?”
	6:19pm coelacanth∅: no you will hear from them forever because they email you from a different source every time. (ie solicitations for money for organisations or solicitations for life insurance...)
	6:20pm ilTofa: Just a test for posting comments (sorry all)
	🤖 6:20pm Bas NL: I remember the days when people exchanged emails when they had something to say... sigh...
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: I can yap about email for an hour some time if you need it. I wrote this product in the late 90s - early 2000s: www.cisco.com...
	6:21pm ultradamno: Making Your Bad Habits Work For Me would be a great Country song.
	6:23pm chris: i've been in the communication and collaboration software game for several decades, and some of these features are true game changers for email. kudos.
	6:23pm David in London: Ultradamno. Get on the banjo and I’ll join in on the jug.
	6:25pm ignatatus666: Imagine if corporate sponsors approach the consumer and offer the consumer money to send them spam?
	🤖 6:27pm Bas NL: Good initiative.. but when will Google take over Hey.com?
	6:28pm ignatatus666: @Sam It’s not that easy Companies have multiple IP addresses and will send you spam via several addresses. Many of them get through the spam filter and then you have to click a link to their website for you to unsubscribe from something you never subscribed to,
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: If you don't load images, you don't get the call back through that tracking pixel. Most of the time, you don't need the images anyway.
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: @Bas I'm pretty sure that Jason and his cofounder would never sell to Google for any price. Similar to what Gabriel Weinberg told me in his first interview on Techtonic (linked at left)
	🤖 6:30pm Webhamster Henry: Proxying the web calls from email is a good idea!
	6:32pm johnzo: wasn't paying attention, is Hey.com free? I know proton costs $ right?
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: Thumb up on remote work.
	6:35pm johnzo: & what was the other one? Im down to pay for email, fuck gmail... but Im definitely going for whichever one of these 3 services is cheapest lol
	🤖 6:36pm Ken From Hyde Park: @johnzo - Individual accounts are $99 per year. www.hey.com...
	6:37pm Fuzzy: Proton has a free basic service and a multi-level premium pay service with VPN service possibly included.
	6:38pm ultradamno: Your Market Value would be a good Gang Of Four song.
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: There's also an ever-growing parade of cancelled Google products and ideas, basically because some other internal group made a competeing product, or it just didn't get the traction needed to satisfy the (evil) bosses.
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: Jason should check out the Pivot For Humanity show: www.wfmu.org...
	6:46pm Mark Hurst: @Webham someone out there maintains the Google Graveyard, something like that - a list of the many, many cancelled products.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: @Mark yeah I love it, right up there like F**kedcompany used to be, but it's only one company!
	6:48pm coelacanth∅: my experience is that duckduckgo results are just as good. slightly different results, but just as good. and their image search is much better than gobble's now.
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: "Nobody knows if you've seen a billboard" --> except they now probably have cameras in them.
	6:49pm P-90: High Quality interview.
	6:49pm Dave Miss: Good interview
	6:50pm Mark Hurst: @P-90 @Dave thanks!
	6:50pm Mark Hurst: @Webham I had the same thought - thinking about (Google-owned) LinkNYC surveillance kiosks here in NYC, each with 3 hidden cameras.
	6:50pm David in London: Godspeed to Jason, good interview.
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: Google reads your emails for several reasons, one of which is just to train AIs in your native language.
	6:51pm lukavino: great interview, Mark. i’ve used Basecamp in past work lives and loved using it/dig their philosophy. Hey sounds worth a free trial at the very least.
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: It might be time for an another interview-less week to catch up with the tech news.
	6:53pm Peter from Dover NJ: Good program, Mark. If one switches from Gmail to e.g. hey.com, what happens if you get email from someone with a gmail addr? Sorry if yiu covered that, I had to miss a few minutes of the program.
	6:54pm laluna: Googles dismissed https://killedbygoogle.com/
	6:57pm David in London: Thanks Mark.
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm Mark Hurst: @lukavino thanks
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: ... and Hop on Hay!
	6:57pm Mark Hurst: @Webham you read my mind earlier today - been thinking the same thing
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: @Peter they cover that, I think, on the FAQ at hey.com
	6:58pm ultradamno: That pareidolia pic looks smug.
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: @ultra it's watching you... smugly
	6:58pm teod: @Peter A normal email sent between any user and a gmail user will be visible by Google. I believe their terms of service grant them the ability to scan the messages. So they shouldn't have your entire collection of email, but may be able to track some information about your email as the sender. Also, Jason Fried mentioned that Hey will block trackers, meaning Google and other companies will gain less or no information when you open emails containing trackers.
	6:58pm chris: thanks, Mark. great interview. thanks to Jason and the Basecamp crew for another great product.
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: (Hey) ... stupid autocorrect
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: @chris @Bas @David thanks!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: @coel thanks
	6:59pm ultradamno: One that isn't twitter.com...
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: The kid in the workin' from home gif looks like he's singing along
	7:00pm Fuzzy: Thanks, Mark!
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, Fuzzy & everyone!
	7:01pm ultradamno: The top pic woman need a full desktop for a cold, medium, hot internet experience
	7:09pm Petricole: Just got home from work - ready to sink into some Tibetan momos for the first time in months (!) which I expect will pair immaculately with today's show. Thanks Mark and crew. Hope everyone is doing alright.

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