WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 23, 2019

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! Technopolists!
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:01pm John from Florham park: Hello fellow technoids
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hello Mark +Techtonolians
	6:04pm melinda: Hi everyone
	6:04pm annie: ...and the good news is i got one of your teeshirts as a premium and gave it to one of my neighbors, a musician. he wore it at a rally here in asheville and had his picture taken...a nice clear shot!!
	6:05pm Dave Miss: Greetings autumnals
	6:05pm annie: hi melinda!
	6:08pm John from Florham park: I don’t trust the federal government under Donald Trump
	6:10pm WebHamster Henry: Hi friends! Im out of the house so wont be so chatty today. Check out the Ed Snowdon interview, MSNBC. Stupid questions, great answers.
	6:10pm RomanDogBird: zuck sucks!!
	6:11pm RomanDogBird: the nixon / elvis photo is one of my all-time favorite things
	6:11pm RomanDogBird: like top 5
	6:11pm ultradamno: In his defense, Elvis thought he was going to get drugs www.smithsonianmag.com...
	6:13pm ultradamno: He'd just buy the prison.
	🤖 6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park: The Tech Pie voice said "Google" and my phone came to life!
	6:16pm Tome: I wanna go over the Berlin Wall ,, before tthey go over the Berlin Wall ,,,
	6:17pm WebHamster Henry: Recaptchas: one or two of the pix are the answer, the others are there for you to provide data.
	6:28pm annie: personally,i'm not happy with yelp...
	🤖 6:36pm chresti: One time I was reading reviews of hotels on Yelp and noticed the same photograph of bedbug evidence on the sheets appear on the reviews of all the hotels/motels except one, in this neighborhood in SF
	6:36pm ignatatus666: Business owners friends and families give 4/5 star reviews I reported one business who the establishment was given a review by the owner of the bar where the pizza is located
	6:38pm ultradamno: I'm not hearing 'no, that didn't happen"
	🤖 6:39pm Ken From Hyde Park: A South Park episode a couple years ago ragged on Yelp. "You're Not Yelping"
	6:40pm Fuzzy: VICE sez: Yelp is Screwing Over Restaurants By Quietly Replacing Their Phone Numbers The phone numbers add tracking before connecting to a restaurant so that Grubhub can bill for a marketing fee. www.vice.com...
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, Fuzzy, I had meant to add that to the playlist. Just added.
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: I'll mention this after the interview - I spoke with Luther about that story & he says that Yelp has corrected the issue in their app.
	🤖 6:42pm chresti: he's like the wizard of oz-Larry
	6:42pm melinda: I told my coworker about recaptcha being a scheme to gather data for self-driving cars and she didn't believe me, said that isn't how machines learn. I had no response because I don't know how machines learn.
	6:43pm annie: yelp should NOT become a yellow pages,it should be devoid of ads...oh, yeah.and the food delivery people... it will never end until someone decides to separate the two.. it's annoying and ....
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: @Melinda - sorry but you're right and your coworker is wrong.
	6:43pm tak: gonna watch a south park about this after the show
	6:46pm annie: i really DO love this show
	6:50pm melinda: Thanks Mark. Is there a source that would give me talking points?
	6:52pm Franco Twinkie: It's not that hard to ignore the clueless people on Yelp who have apparently never sat down in a restaurant and actually know what they are eating.
	6:54pm JakeGould: Yelp! is really horrible. But the thing their plight highlights is the fact that Google and Facebook are really destroying the digital marketplace for anyone who is not Google and Facebook.
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: Pretty soon we'll see everybody with a multitude of phones
	6:55pm Fuzzy: Because Capitalism.
	6:55pm ultradamno: You know what else can use multiple lenses, an actual camera.
	6:56pm annie: i run a housing group on FB; i do not allow ad links from zillow, CList and such
	6:56pm ignatatus666: Perhaps for the camera only Marc. The Apple iPhone camera is horrible. I drive a cab overnight and I do a lot of local community reporting which includes live video and pictures. At night this is horrible. I can’t say that the millions of other users actually need this.
	🤖 6:56pm chresti: Yelp is lousy with bad actor users
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: The camera, the best that money can buy!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Good comments tonight.
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Good phone rant!
	7:00pm Franco Twinkie: I like it when you slap your desk, Mark.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, chresti & Franco. Had to get that off my chest.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 23, 2019

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Upcoming events:

Mon. Nov 4th, 6pm - 7pm: Dystopia update (More info...)
Chatbots are now running rampant - appearing in new-model cars - as we're being told to "be nice to chatbots." Stores are using "digital price tags," which rely on surveillance to set the price to the company's liking. Meantime, Google's AI is giving wrong answers, in some cases, almost half the time. All these and more in Mark's dystopia update.
Mon. Dec 23rd, 6pm - 7pm: Don Fleming guest hosts Techtonic

September 23, 2019: Luther Lowe, from Yelp, on Google anti-trust

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This week: Luther Lowe, SVP of public policy at Yelp, on the Google anti-trust investigation

Source: Axios, Sept 17, 2019

Pointers:

• Twitter: @lutherlowe

• FocusOnTheUser.com

• Luther also appears in the documentary "The Creepy Line," featured on the Sep 24, 2018 Techtonic.

• Yelp came up in my interview with Prof. Safiya Noble, author of "Algorithms of Oppression," featured on the Jan 21, 2019 Techtonic.

• Yelp is Screwing Over Restaurants By Quietly Replacing Their Phone Numbers (Vice Motherboard, Aug 6)

• Basecamp CEO Jason Fried complains about Google's "shakedown" to buy Google search ads. See also CNBC's story.

• 50 U.S. states and territories announce broad antitrust investigation of Google (Washington Post, Sept 9): Only California and Alabama have not signed onto the probe.

• Ron Wyden Doesn’t Apologize for Helping Build the Internet—But He’s Interested in Sending Mark Zuckerberg to Prison (Williamette Week, Aug 28)

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Artist	Track	Album	Approx. start time
The Google anti-trust investigation is in full swing, thanks in part to advocacy from tonight's guest Luther Lowe, who leads public policy for Yelp.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Luther Lowe "Interview with Luther Lowe"		0:13:43 (Pop-up)
	Your comments "Your comments"		0:40:43 (Pop-up)
The Delorean Sisters	One Thing Leads to Another		0:54:01 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! Technopolists!
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:01pm John from Florham park: Hello fellow technoids
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hello Mark +Techtonolians
	6:04pm melinda: Hi everyone
	6:04pm annie: ...and the good news is i got one of your teeshirts as a premium and gave it to one of my neighbors, a musician. he wore it at a rally here in asheville and had his picture taken...a nice clear shot!!
	6:05pm Dave Miss: Greetings autumnals
	6:05pm annie: hi melinda!
	6:08pm John from Florham park: I don’t trust the federal government under Donald Trump
	6:10pm WebHamster Henry: Hi friends! Im out of the house so wont be so chatty today. Check out the Ed Snowdon interview, MSNBC. Stupid questions, great answers.
	6:10pm RomanDogBird: zuck sucks!!
	6:11pm RomanDogBird: the nixon / elvis photo is one of my all-time favorite things
	6:11pm RomanDogBird: like top 5
	6:11pm ultradamno: In his defense, Elvis thought he was going to get drugs www.smithsonianmag.com...
	6:13pm ultradamno: He'd just buy the prison.
	🤖 6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park: The Tech Pie voice said "Google" and my phone came to life!
	6:16pm Tome: I wanna go over the Berlin Wall ,, before tthey go over the Berlin Wall ,,,
	6:17pm WebHamster Henry: Recaptchas: one or two of the pix are the answer, the others are there for you to provide data.
	6:28pm annie: personally,i'm not happy with yelp...
	🤖 6:36pm chresti: One time I was reading reviews of hotels on Yelp and noticed the same photograph of bedbug evidence on the sheets appear on the reviews of all the hotels/motels except one, in this neighborhood in SF
	6:36pm ignatatus666: Business owners friends and families give 4/5 star reviews I reported one business who the establishment was given a review by the owner of the bar where the pizza is located
	6:38pm ultradamno: I'm not hearing 'no, that didn't happen"
	🤖 6:39pm Ken From Hyde Park: A South Park episode a couple years ago ragged on Yelp. "You're Not Yelping"
	6:40pm Fuzzy: VICE sez: Yelp is Screwing Over Restaurants By Quietly Replacing Their Phone Numbers The phone numbers add tracking before connecting to a restaurant so that Grubhub can bill for a marketing fee. www.vice.com...
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, Fuzzy, I had meant to add that to the playlist. Just added.
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: I'll mention this after the interview - I spoke with Luther about that story & he says that Yelp has corrected the issue in their app.
	🤖 6:42pm chresti: he's like the wizard of oz-Larry
	6:42pm melinda: I told my coworker about recaptcha being a scheme to gather data for self-driving cars and she didn't believe me, said that isn't how machines learn. I had no response because I don't know how machines learn.
	6:43pm annie: yelp should NOT become a yellow pages,it should be devoid of ads...oh, yeah.and the food delivery people... it will never end until someone decides to separate the two.. it's annoying and ....
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: @Melinda - sorry but you're right and your coworker is wrong.
	6:43pm tak: gonna watch a south park about this after the show
	6:46pm annie: i really DO love this show
	6:50pm melinda: Thanks Mark. Is there a source that would give me talking points?
	6:52pm Franco Twinkie: It's not that hard to ignore the clueless people on Yelp who have apparently never sat down in a restaurant and actually know what they are eating.
	6:54pm JakeGould: Yelp! is really horrible. But the thing their plight highlights is the fact that Google and Facebook are really destroying the digital marketplace for anyone who is not Google and Facebook.
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: Pretty soon we'll see everybody with a multitude of phones
	6:55pm Fuzzy: Because Capitalism.
	6:55pm ultradamno: You know what else can use multiple lenses, an actual camera.
	6:56pm annie: i run a housing group on FB; i do not allow ad links from zillow, CList and such
	6:56pm ignatatus666: Perhaps for the camera only Marc. The Apple iPhone camera is horrible. I drive a cab overnight and I do a lot of local community reporting which includes live video and pictures. At night this is horrible. I can’t say that the millions of other users actually need this.
	🤖 6:56pm chresti: Yelp is lousy with bad actor users
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: The camera, the best that money can buy!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Good comments tonight.
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Good phone rant!
	7:00pm Franco Twinkie: I like it when you slap your desk, Mark.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, chresti & Franco. Had to get that off my chest.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 23, 2019

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