WFMU RADIO: Give The Drummer Some 09/20/19

Listener comments!

Hello Doug. A new copy of Lal Waterson's Teach Me To Be A Summer's Morning just arrived. Thirza was the first song played. Oh boy, especially as we lost a cat on the road outside the other week.

8:09am Doug Schulkind:

Just reading that's got me weeping, Brian in UK. Thanks!

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8:18am Brian in UK:

Weeping is not the half of it.

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9:01am duke:

Good morning Sir Douglas and Drummers

9:02am Doug Schulkind:

G'morning to you, Lord duke!

9:02am Uncle Michael:

Good morning. I've been awake for about five minutes.

9:04am Doug Schulkind:

I've been on for four, so you are OK with me, buddy!

9:05am Maggie B.:

Glorious morning to ya Doug and Drummers. And so sorry about your kitty, Brian in UK.

9:05am Sem:

Hello, Doug, Friday morning-ers looking to get some, itinerate ears at liberty, and all.

9:08am Listener Scott:

John Cohen was one of my photo professors in art school. Nicest guy in the world.

9:10am Doug Schulkind:

@Listener Scott
He was a visual arts prof at SUNY Purchase for 30+ years.

9:10am Doug Schulkind:

Glorious tidings to you, Maggie B, and to Sem, too!

9:11am Uncle Michael:

Wow, Scott!

9:11am Listener Scott:

That's where I went, yeah. He was an institution already. I was there 86-90.

9:12am Creature Boy ( Miles ):

The New Lost City Ramblers were mentioned in the Ken Burns documentary

9:13am Uncle Michael:

Robert Hunter does not deny that Mr. Cohen was "Uncle John". He didn't precisely confirm, either...but still.

9:13am Doug Schulkind:

@Creature Boy ( Miles )
And a number of Cohen's photos were licensed for Burns's Country documentary.

9:15am Doug Schulkind:

@Uncle Michael
The claim that John Cohen is "Uncle John" and that the New Lost City Ramblers was "Uncle John's Band" has been called a "true rumor." The song mentions a number of songs performed widely by the NLCR. I elevate the rumor to myth and leave it at that. (We will be hearing more later.)

9:15am Creature Boy ( Miles ):

I see! I didn't realize much of this

9:16am Listener Gregory:

Morning, all.

9:17am Uncle Michael:

Hunter did indicate that this view was on the right track in the context of his contribution to a project called the Annotated Grateful Dead.

9:19am ausmanx:

good evening doug and doug-ettes. i am looking forward to some recordings of Justin Trudeau singing some of dem down home work songs later this evening?

9:20am Creature Boy ( Miles ):

"Small like babe" John Henry

9:20am Doug Schulkind:

Also, top o' the morning to you, Creature Boy ( Miles )! And good late night to you, ausmanx!

Good all the damn to you, Listener Gregory.

9:22am Sem:

@ausmanx: with October election shenanigans in top gear, I would not pooh-pooh that such recordings exist. Oh, oh Canada.

9:24am ausmanx:

very popular in the trudeau mansion, eh sem?

9:26am Gina Bacon:

Good morning!

9:27am Doug Schulkind:

The Lady Bacon!

9:29am Gina Bacon:

I love the birdie chirping in this!

9:30am Doug Schulkind:

Yes yes yes, Gina.

9:34am Sem:

Let's just say, ausmanx, that the federal Liberal party foisted 2 ill-chosen party leaders on Canadaians over a decade, waiting for 1) Trudeau to reach a minimally-acceptable age for a national leader, and 2) while the far right Conservative Party dismantled a lot of "social democratic" policy errors and thereby change fundamentally how Canada was seen beyond it borders. Mr. Trudeau is not the man his father was, ahem.

9:37am Listener Gregory:

Is that John Cohen in the bottom picture too? He achieved the look I have been shooting for my entire life.

9:38am Doug Schulkind:

That, too, is John.

9:40am still b/p:

The Pío Pío. I loved it.
Good morning.

9:41am Listener Gregory:

I got a haircut yesterday, and at the end the barber asked if I wanted my beard trimmed. No, I didn't. He looked at it a moment and then hopefully said, "No charge?"
I knew then I was getting somewhere.

9:49am bigplanetnoise:

Good morning! Is the coffee on???

9:51am mauri:

O my soul

9:51am Doug Schulkind:

Grab that Thermos over there, bigplanetnoise. The java's got something special in it.

9:52am Doug Schulkind:

I love that you loved it, still b/p!

Happy you're here, mauri!

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9:52am βrian:

Is that the Walter White Roast?

9:53am bigplanetnoise:

I’ll take as much of that something special that you can fit in that Thermos.

9:55am Doug Schulkind:

OK, bigplanetnoise. Just keep it an arm's length from open flame.

9:55am Doug Schulkind:

Howdy, βrian!

9:57am still b/p:

The Walter White Roast...with Don Rickles, Milton Berle, Dean Martin...?

9:58am Listener Gregory:

Doug, if you didn't make up the name "Berzilla Wallin," then I just don't know.

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9:58am Brian in UK:

I can remember the first time I heard Uncle John's Band. Fair turned my head.

@Maggie thanks for you thoughts.

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10:01am Brian in UK:

Love the relaxed education that this station throws into the ether.

10:04am Listener Gregory:

@Brian, it's an ether/or situation.

10:06am Doug Schulkind:

@Brian in UK
Relaxed?! Don't kid yourself. There will be a quiz later.

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10:10am Brian in UK:

Alright, well somnolent will do me. The ether should sort that out.
I'm taking notes. Badly.

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10:12am Brian in UK:

So Australian?

10:14am northguineahills:

So far, Ken Burn's Country music doc is better then his jazz one, but I'm only got through episode 2 so far....

10:18am ausmanx:

“There is a saying that the treasures of the universe may be found between the eyes of a horse. One could say that the treasures of the earth may be found between the eyes of John Cohen. For we find in the images offered by this humble man, the wisdom of simplicity—its music, and its silence.”
—Patti Smith

10:18am Creature Boy ( Miles ):

Peter Stamphel, u say?! Interesting

10:21am Doug Schulkind:

@northguineahills
Don't get me started about his Jazz doc. I'm the feller who produced a disgusted response compilation called Jazz Burns Ken.

10:22am Doug Schulkind:

@Ausmanx
Patti dedicated a song to Cohen at her show in Detroit the other night.

10:24am Doug Schulkind:

John Cohen: "This is a song I used to like a lot."

#understatementoftheyear

10:27am ausmanx:

this is all a bit of a revelation to me. i even have a copy of That high Lonesome Sound but i've never watched it...

10:29am Doug Schulkind:

Many of Cohen's docs are on Youtube, including The High Lonesome Sound and the one about Dillard Chandler, The End of an Old Song. Incredible stuff.

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10:30am Brian in UK:

It still works, as well as being an eyeopener into the Deads (Garcia) origins.

10:35am northguineahills:

Workingman's Dead was the second album of theirs I got. I didn't like it until I went through my Harry Smith/Dylan stage 3 years later....

10:35am ausmanx:

i'm afraid nothing has ever served to diminish my loathing of the Dead

10:36am Marie:

Good morning, all. I love what you did with those pix, Doug.

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10:37am βrian:

@ausmanx:But doesn't it make you want to dance badly, as if mildly convulsing?

10:37am Funky16Corners:

Good morning. sorry I'm late but I'm trying to do six or seven things at once (coffee helped). Also, love the Dead all the way up to 'Touch of Grey' at which point I jump off the train...

10:38am ausmanx:

makes me want to mildly convulse, βrian, but nothing to do with dancing...

10:39am Sem:

..so who was driving that train then?

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10:39am Brian in UK:

@ausmanx, never been a big Dead fan but Workingmans and American Beauty are excellent perhaps with the success of the Band they briefly moved in that direction.

10:41am coelacanth∅:

good morning Doug and all

10:42am Marie:

Just reading the comments. Doug, I want to hear your "Ken Burns Jazz"! Funny.

10:43am Listener Gregory:

My semantic network is convulsing with this change in musical direction.

10:44am still b/p:

Back and forth between here where Dead mentions are flurrying and an article just reading by chance that reports Robert Hunter's first LSD came from CIA's MK ULTRA project.
Eyes quick-brushing across Larry's comment thought it said Touch of Gray made him WANT to jump off a train!

10:44am Jeff Golick:

Hi, hi there. I've been here a while, but just had to catch up on all the reading.

10:45am Doug Schulkind:

Greetings, coelacanth∅! Groovings, Marie!

Marie, my WFMU marathon premium many years ago was a compilation I called Jazz Burns Ken. It was my outraged response to Burns's completely ignoring the world of jazz beyond U.S. borders. It's subtitle was "The World 'Jazz' Forgot" ("Jazz" referring to Burns's documentary)

Someone actually posted it on Discogs: www.discogs.com...

10:48am Doug Schulkind:

Please to read you, Jeff Golick!

10:48am Listener Gregory:

Little known that Roscoe Holcomb and Misha Mengelberg became good friends. When they got together they would sing Sinatra songs around the fireplace.

10:49am northguineahills:

wow, such lineup, such wow!

10:49am Jeff Golick:

I note, with some optimism, that the Jazz Burns Ken compilation is subtitled "Episode One."

Ahem.

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10:50am βrian:

So does he cover non-U.S. country music in the latest doc?

10:50am Doug Schulkind:

I heard they were singing Lotte Lenya songs, Listener Gregory, but BOTH COULD BE TRUE.

10:52am Doug Schulkind:

@Jeff Golick
Yeah, I did leave that dangling, didn't I? That was 17 freaking years ago. (That's a lot of dangle.)

10:52am Listener Gregory:

@Doug, there is much in this world that we will never know.

10:52am northguineahills:

@Doug: and that was just one of many flaws in that doc. I'm pretty sure once he gets past Hank Williams, it will be shite in the Country doc, but so far it's been inclusive a bit more and mentioned bios of minor characters. Not confident he's able to ingest constructive criticism.

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10:55am Brian in UK:

I do a lot of things in jest!

10:55am Doug Schulkind:

@northguineahills
Oh god, the depths of my loathing for Ken Burns's "Jazz" documentary (and, frankly, most of his two-dimensional pablum) knows no nadir.

I thank Ken Burns for his service in digging up and sharing some incredible imagery.

10:55am Funky16Corners:

Burns seems to labor under the assumption that a good documentarian can make a good documentary about anything they set their mind to. One would assume that someone with a real affinity for the subject matter (at least in a documentary of a historical nature) would have an affinity for the subject matter.

10:56am Funky16Corners:

I meant to type, 'you would need someone with a real affinity..."

10:58am Doug Schulkind:

It's the Pharaoh of Phunk, Funky16Corners!

10:58am Listener Gregory:

Pharaoh Sanders is fortunately still with us. Could WFMU persuade him to record a song, "You've Got to Have Freeform"? Think what a thank-you gift that would be.

10:59am Doug Schulkind:

@Listener Gregory
We could sell it as a cassingle in the WFMU gift shop!

11:00am Funky16Corners:

WFMU Has a Master Plan...

11:00am Doug Schulkind:

Which is the more often repeated typo:

PharAOh Sanders
or
Pharoah SaUnders

??

11:00am Jeff Golick:

No longer with us? Pianist Harold Mabern. Passed on yesterday.

11:03am Doug Schulkind:

Anyone remember Hova and Belinda (and DJ Georgia) and their WFMU kids show, Greasy Kid Stuff? I once gave them this as a gift: www.popsike.com...

11:04am fleep:

Good morning and in awe of the conversation

11:04am Doug Schulkind:

Everyone ready for a trio featuring three bass saxophones?

11:05am Doug Schulkind:

Now even more awesome with your arrival, fleep!

11:06am Listener Gregory:

"Pharaoh" is the Egyptian ruler. But not Sanders's name??? Oh. My. God.
I can't believe I've been doing this wrong for my entire life. I feel so... dirty.

11:07am Doug Schulkind:

@Listener Gregory
I found the gentlest way I could to break it to you.

11:08am Listener Gregory:

I need to be by myself for a while.

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11:08am Brian in UK:

Being a Sanders , I tired many years ago of correcting the additional 'u'.

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11:09am Brian in UK:

I will settle for Brain as an upgrade though.

11:09am Listener Scott:

I'm enjoying the Ken Burns country music documentary but I do get a real sense that he's coming to the subject as an outsider.

Still, even at 16 hours he's bitten off far more than he can chew; I mean, any documentary purporting to cover such a broadly-stated topic is going to suffer from editorial shallowness.

Still, I'm learning stuff I didn't know along the way and watching some amazing footage. So I'm basically okay with it. I don't sense that there's a danger he's having an adverse impact on the history of the subject, but I could be wrong because it's not really my subject matter.

11:09am Listener Scott:

I suspect I'll be less tuned in to the Burns documentary when we get to, say, the Barbara Mandrell years.

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11:10am Brian in UK:

Barbara Mandrell, petite but perfectly formed,.

11:11am Listener Gregory:

@Scott, I look forward to hearing Taylor Swift talk about how her mama used to sing Barbara Mandrell to her in the crib.

11:12am northguineahills:

I think baseball is the only subject he actually had inside knowledge and passion for.....(Ken Burns)

11:13am Mr C:

Sorry to hear about Harold Mabern's passing. Fortunate to see him play several times with fellow Memphian George Coleman. Hard and Bop and Blues.

11:15am Gina Bacon:

Yay! Thanks, Doug!

11:15am coelacanth∅:

wow Doug that's a great gift! (and appropriate!)
i listened to greasy kid stuff regularly on saturdays and recorded much of it to cassette tape.

11:18am Doug Schulkind:

I love your descriptions, Gina. Makes me wanna listen EVEN MORE.

11:18am Hugo:

Thanks for the extended John Cohen set which featured a lot of acapella folk music. I'm reading Jonathan Coe's "Middle England" at the moment and in the first chapter there is a reference to a tune sung by an unaccompanied Shirley Collins with quotes from the lyrics. I think it must be "Adieu to old England" which was the title tune of an album released on Topic in 1974. Would love to hear it, so that's a request, Doug.

www.discogs.com...

11:18am holland oats:

drumma! peoples! ramblers!

11:18am Doug Schulkind:

So happy to see you, Mr C!

11:20am Doug Schulkind:

It will be my pleasure, Hugo! (Maybe next week.) Welcome aboard the Drummer Dinghy!

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11:21am doctorjazz:

Hi all! Late arrival (meetings...sheesh).
Looking back at the set list, Grateful Dead? Don't recall hearing them in these parts, cool!

11:22am Gina Bacon:

That's so good to hear, Doug...thank you!

11:23am Hugo:

I saw on Discogs that there are only two people having registered copies of Doug's premium. Hmm, I'll make it three.

11:23am coelacanth∅:

i've seen John Cohen around, or someone who looks just like him. the wiki page says he resided in "lower hudson valley". i don't know if where i live is south enough to be considered "lower".
that lower picture is very familiar though.
rest in peace.

11:24am Marie:

Hey Doug, thanks for the linky to your premium premium

11:25am Doug Schulkind:

Remember that FMU premium I made from all those amazing Studio One recordings you gave me? That still blows me away.

11:26am Doug Schulkind:

Hellooooooo, holland oooooooats!

11:32am Hugo:

Yes, and there's much more in the archives, Studio One and other labels. You'll get them in due course.

11:33am Jeff Golick:

My ears are on fiyah.

11:34am Funky16Corners:

This Pat Thomas is hot!

11:35am Doug Schulkind:

This Pat Thomas track is a mile thick.

11:35am Doug Schulkind:

@Hugo
That's got my nose hairs tingling.

11:35am Stanley:

Hi Doug and everyone.
Better late than later

11:40am Doug Schulkind:

Belated welcome, Stanley dear!

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11:42am doctorjazz:

I'm liking the Country doc, but then, all you have to do to get me to like them is have lots of great music (the higher the proportion of music to talk, the better). I am learning some stuff (only in the middleof episode 2).

11:42am Doug Schulkind:

@Listener Scott
I bet Barbara Manrell is going to sound better than you remember. Just a hunch.

11:43am Doug Schulkind:

Oh hey! Forgot to say hey to you, doctorjazz! HEY!

11:46am Doug Schulkind:

Chase the Sun Boy was the name of my first band in high school.

11:46am Bill Mac:

No worries Doug. I may run under a minute or two. It always works out.

11:48am Doug Schulkind:

It's God's plan, Bill Mac. And God rented us the turntables.

11:48am Bill Mac:

Ima quote you someday...

11:49am Funky16Corners:

That Levert Allison was great!

11:49am rw:

Doug! I'm here. In case you were wondering. Thanks for the music!

11:50am Doug Schulkind:

Hooray! The case of the missing rw is solved!

11:53am Doug Schulkind:

You gotta have some monumental testicles to perform under this particular moniker.

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11:55am doctorjazz:

He stole my name, knew I should have copyrighted it!

11:55am Doug Schulkind:

Lawsuit! Lawsuit! Lawsuit!

11:57am Sem:

Thx, DS. Got some, and then some. Seeya!

11:59am Doug Schulkind:

It was fun, Sem. See you sometime soon!

11:59am rw:

Oh, man. I have a Ken Burns story (not a great one) but I guess it'll have to wait until another time. Thanks again Doug and have a great weekend everyone!

12:00pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Doug!

12:01pm Listener Gregory:

Bye Doug, John Lee, and Drummers. Beautiful show today, Doug.

12:02pm Marie:

"Monumental Testicles"--good name for a band.

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12:02pm duke:

Thanks Doug!

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12:02pm Brian in UK:

Great respectful show, Doug.

Theme Music: Sarah Webster Fabio	Jujus: Alchemy of the Blues	Jujus: Alchemy of the Blues (Folkways 1976)
ECD	In Tempo	Major Force: The Original Art-Form (Mo' Wax 1990)

Reverend Gary Davis	If I Had My Way 0:07:14 Pop-up)	If I Had My Way: Early Home Recordings (Folkways 1953)
Holiness Church	Cry from the Cross 0:11:56 Pop-up)	Mountain Music of Kentucky (Folkways 1959)
George Davis	Death of the Blue Eagle 0:14:27 Pop-up)	Mountain Music of Kentucky (Folkways 1959)
James Crase	Fire on the Mountain 0:16:20 Pop-up)	Mountain Music of Kentucky (Folkways 1959)
"Banjo" Bill Cornett	John Henry 0:18:01 Pop-up)	Mountain Music of Kentucky (Folkways 1959)
"Banjo" Bill Cornett	Buck Creek Girls 0:22:03 Pop-up)	Mountain Music of Kentucky (Folkways 1959)
Mr. & Mrs. Sams	The Absentee 0:23:00 Pop-up)	Mountain Music of Kentucky (Folkways 1959)
Grigsby & Young	Fair Miss in the Garden 0:24:53 Pop-up)	Mountain Music of Kentucky (Folkways 1959)
El Cholo Chanka	Señor Diputado 0:30:08 Pop-up)	Huayno Music of Peru, Volume 1 (Arhoolie )
Duo Las Perlas De Huancavelica	Vaca Ratay 0:32:33 Pop-up)	Huayno Music of Peru, Volume 1 (Arhoolie )
Amanda Portales	Pío Pío 0:35:32 Pop-up)	Huayno Music of Peru, Volume 1 (Arhoolie )

Dillard Chandler	The Carolina Lady 0:48:14 Pop-up)	Dark Holler: Old Love Songs and Ballads (Smithsonian Folkways 1965)
Berzilla Wallin	Johnny Doyle 0:52:26 Pop-up)	Dark Holler: Old Love Songs and Ballads (Smithsonian Folkways 1963)
Lisha Shelton	Don't You Remember 0:56:20 Pop-up)	Dark Holler: Old Love Songs and Ballads (Smithsonian Folkways 1963)
Cas Wallin	Fine Sally 0:58:56 Pop-up)	Dark Holler: Old Love Songs and Ballads (Smithsonian Folkways 1963)
Dellie Norton	When I Wore My Apron Low 1:01:07 Pop-up)	Dark Holler: Old Love Songs and Ballads (Smithsonian Folkways 1967)
Roscoe Holcomb	Man of Constant Sorrow 1:02:07 Pop-up)	The Music of Roscoe Holcomb & Wade Ward (Folkways 1962)
Roscoe Holcomb	Omie Wise 1:06:37 Pop-up)	The High Lonesome Sound (Folkways 1964)

New Lost City Ramblers	Sugar Baby 1:17:07 Pop-up)	There Ain't No Way Out (Smithsonian Folkways )
The Dust Busters	The Honest Farmer 1:19:57 Pop-up)	Old Man Below (Smithsonian Folkways 2012)
The Down Hill Strugglers	Leaving Home 1:22:49 Pop-up)	( 2015)
Grateful Dead	Uncle John's Band 1:27:00 Pop-up)	Workingman's Dead (Warner Bros. 1970)
Bob Dylan	Roll on John 1:31:40 Pop-up)	There Is No Eye: Music for Photographs (Smithsonian Folkways 1962)

Misha Mengelberg, John Tchicai, Han Bennink, Derek Bailey	Fragment G 1:39:55 Pop-up)	Fragments (ICP 1970)
Pharoah Sanders	You've Got to Have Freedom 1:49:56 Pop-up)	Africa (Timeless 1987)
Return of the New Thing	Babil 1:59:53 Pop-up)	Traque (Ayler 2000)
Scott Robinson, Vinny Golia, J.D. Parran	Music #2 2:03:55 Pop-up)	Creative Music for 3 Bass Saxophones (SciencSonic Laboratories 2011)

Le Simandou De Beyla	Sensenko 2:15:09 Pop-up)	La Confiance (Syliphone 1980)
Ouza & Ses Ouzettes	Diriyankee 2:22:40 Pop-up)	Lat Dior - 1975-1990 (Popular African Music )
Pat Thomas feat. Marijata	Mother Africa 2:30:32 Pop-up)	Pat Thomas Introduces Marijata (Gapophone 1976)

The Keynoters	I Wanna Know Who 2:37:24 Pop-up)	b/w Come Back Home (Keynote 1963)
Charlie Harris	All Over Town 2:40:01 Pop-up)	b/w I'll Never Lie to You (Copa 1965)
Shirley Edwards	It's Your Love 2:42:08 Pop-up)	b/w Dream My Heart (Shrine 1966)
Levert Allison	Chase the Sun Boy 2:44:37 Pop-up)	b/w A Long, Long Way (Eleventh House 1967)
Bobby Mack	Lovin' on Borrowed Time 2:46:42 Pop-up)	b/w Malnutrition (Midas 1969)
Sherry Pye [Claudine Clark]	Ask the Girl Who Knows 2:49:20 Pop-up)	b/w Gimme a Break (Match 1969)
God's Gift to Women	Stop to Think It Over 2:52:05 Pop-up)	b/w Groovin' (Listening Post 1978)
The Five Stairsteps	Danger! She's a Stranger 2:57:02 Pop-up)	b/w Behind Curtains (Windy C 1967)

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