WFMU: Tom Dash: Playlist from September 8, 2019

Listener comments!
	12:00am coelacanth∅: FLIPPER!
	12:01am mariano: Hey Tom, @coelacanth∅, everybody!
	12:01am coelacanth∅: hey Tom, mariano and future others
	12:02am Yvang: I love Flipper!
	12:02am khd: flipper lives
	12:03am Franco Twinkie: Sex bomb, baby!
	12:03am TomDash: Hey folks...last DotDash Radio show for a bit, but Shed No Tears, we'll be back!
	12:04am Franco Twinkie: Rip it up Tom!
	12:04am rw: TomDash!! Tonight it's okay to crash.
	12:04am Franco Twinkie: Arthur!
	12:05am coelacanth∅: i would not have thought of this segue
	12:05am TomDash: rw...I will crash, at 3:01! Thanks all for tuning in, been such a blast of a summer...
	12:05am Yvang: I love Love!
	12:08am TomDash: anyone like The Dead?
	12:08am rw: TD. Ouch.
	12:08am Franco Twinkie: Er, yes.
	12:09am coelacanth∅: funny you should mention...
	12:09am coelacanth∅: sorry rw! ...and from the BEST dead album!
	12:09am Franco Twinkie: Fuck yea!
	12:10am Agent Peter: who needs avant ghetto?
	12:11am coelacanth∅: because of the conversation about the dead yeasterday i listened to both anthem of the sun and aoxoxoa (sp?) this morning
	12:12am coelacanth∅: (ahem, it was a yeasty day...)
	12:13am Nate K.: Do your thing, my guy. Should you find room for a Weirdos jam, I wouldn't complain.
	12:13am Franco Twinkie: 4 for 4, Tom.
	12:13am rw: Ha! It's okay. I'm trying. I like THAT stuff. And I don't hate, just don't get the fervor. Plus I may have been reading in an unintended implication.
	12:14am TomDash: Hey Nate K - thanks for listening live! Will see if I can scrounge up some Weirdos next set!
	12:15am mariano: I've never been the biggest Dead fan, but a few years back, as an exercise in transcending my prejudices, I listened to the first three albums and found quite a few things in there I enjoyed. I know the bootlegs are supposed to be where it's at, but baby steps.
	12:15am Dean: I remember bumping into Nicky Beat an afternoon in downtown LA as he was delivering flowers. C. 1979.
	12:16am Franco Twinkie: Just another choice at the smorgy, RW. If you don't like the green beans, get the tapioca.
	12:16am coelacanth∅: rw i don't get the fervor either. but i do like the grateful dead, with reservations
	12:17am Dean: Always loved the Dead, never listened to them. Now, almost fifty years later, I do both.
	12:19am Franco Twinkie: Shit. It's a full house tonight. All the know-it-all's are here!
	12:20am Dean: I know.
	12:20am coelacanth∅: mariano i think the bootleg thing is based on the deadhead culture and the constant desire to relive the good times had at shows. in my -ever so unpopular- opinion, their studio albums are generally better. no "deadhead" will say that. ...and yeah, the earlier the better. the pre-first album recordings from 1966 are incredible! (though they are live...so i contradict myself...)
	12:22am Franco Twinkie: Dean, Nicky worked at this lunch counter around the corner from Chresti's house in Silverlake. He served me a sandwich. Nice guy.
	12:23am Nate K.: Killing it!
	12:23am Dean: BTW, FT and chresti, yesterday I drove from LA to Berkeley non-stop without having to pull over for gasoline. Around 10:30am, I drove from downtown LA up 5 past...Griffith Park! Thought of chresti.
	12:23am mariano: Didn't know about the pre-album recordings, @coelacanth∅, thanks for the tip!
	12:24am Agent Peter: The shows and the albums two totally different things. The free form nature of each show had special appeal, especially if you were there. But even if you weren't there and had been to enough shows you could listen to it differently than assessing it in a vacuum. The live shows became too formulaic in the latter years, imho
	12:25am Dean: I'm a fan of bootlegs qua bootlegs. Even if the studio albums are better, the archival/documentary evidence presented by arguably illegal recordings entice me.
	12:25am Franco Twinkie: She wasn't there. We stayed inside all day. Tomorrow she starts her work week.
	12:27am mariano: I'm 50 now, and when I was young, dropping out for a few months or a year to follow the Dead was still an option. A couple of friends of mine did it for varying periods of time. I never saw them live, but I always liked the idea of that being an option.
	12:28am Scraps: I really like Workingman’s Dead and American Beauty (yeah, yeah, I know), and some of the albums back & forth, when they are songs. I really don’t like jams, and therefore don’t like live Dead albums — and that is most of what you hear lately, ad nauseum. And the people who play them play them, well, a lot, so I get really tired of them, even though I mostly like them.
	12:29am Dean: Those who listen to Uncle Michael's Friday morning/afternoon show (depending on where you are) know that I attended every Dead show.
	12:30am rw: There's an artist in LA named Mark A. Rodriguez who's making GD tape racks as sculpture.
	12:30am rw: Dean, I'm still trying to figure out how that's possible.
	12:30am Yvang: It's about to be 25 O'clock
	12:31am TomDash: Ha - I knew spinning a Dead number would start a conversation. I'm a BIG fan - 60s, 70s live stuff, can't get enough. But we'll be talking about post-punk soon enough???
	12:31am coelacanth∅: i have an album -legit album but without approval of the band, called vintage dead. tied with "san francisco's grateful dead" as my favorite dead albums. apparently there's a volume 2 of vintage dead but i've never seen it. you can feel the fire, the raw energy, something that was all but gone within a few years. and the arrangements on songs that stayed in their repertoir (sp) so so SO much better than what they turned into. (and Bob Weir's singing was actually bearable then - even okay!)
	12:32am Dean: rw: You miss school on occasion. Speaking of LA artists, does anybody know David Amico? I know his sister and her husband pretty well.
	12:32am Agent Peter: plenty of slam dancing punks at mid-80's dead shows fwiw
	12:34am rw: I've met David. Talked with him a little many years ago. We taught at the same school for a while. Nice guy and a good artist too!
	12:35am Hubig Pie: Saw the GD at Red Rocks amphitheater in Colo. late 70's, didn't get it. I do enjoy the americana vibe of Workingman's Dead
	12:36am coelacanth∅: i've been to every David Bowie concert.
	12:36am Dean: That's great! I met him only once, maybe twice, at family events.
	12:37am diciassette: lol I made it to the Glass Spider tour (ahoy, guys)
	12:37am mariano: Oh man, I love this cover! See Emily Play has one of the most rockin' openings.
	12:37am Dean: Are you sure, coel? I seem to recall being at one c.1976, the midwest...you weren't there.
	12:37am coelacanth∅: hey diciassette
	12:38am Scraps: coelacanthØ, I’ve been to every Iggy Pop concert; maybe we’ve met
	12:38am chresti@ Griffith Park: There was a baby rattler on the way to the upper courts today. A co-worker texted me a photo
	12:38am coelacanth∅: Dean i was there. i had to have been.
	12:38am anne: i've now put my ikea bedframe together. it took 1.5 hrs. please hold your applause.
	12:39am Dean: I musta been distracted.
	12:39am coelacanth∅: can i buy you a shot?
	12:39am chresti@ Griffith Park: Hi tomdash! Happy time off! Goodnight !
	12:39am Hubig Pie: Coel, but you're losing your edge
	12:39am rw: Way to go anne!!
	12:39am Dean: "baby rattler" means one of at least two things.
	12:40am chresti@ bed: Is where I’m going
	12:40am diciassette: Brava! I put mine together 10 years ago and it still hasn't fallen on me
	12:40am Franco Twinkie: Mariano, I'm 64. When I first saw them as a 16 year old, the culture was not yet a codified thing. As a matter of fact, no one said Dead Head-ever. But sooner than later what so many people rightfully can't get past i.e. the brainless culture, started manifesting itself. For me, there were to many other options to really give a shit. Oh yeah, the sound changed forever when Keith and Donna joined the band.
	12:40am mariano: Good going, Anne! I'm useless with that kind of stuff.
	12:40am coelacanth∅: chresti i will never not be watching carefully for rattlers again. i consider myself lucky to be alive.
	12:41am anne: you guys are the best
	12:42am mariano: @Franco Twinkie: oh man, it must've been really something to see them back then!
	12:43am Franco Twinkie: It was indeed.
	12:43am Fox: Hey doooooods.
	12:43am Scraps: postpunk postpunk postpunk postpunk!
	12:44am b wad: Hi Tom, starting my morning run in Tel Aviv and grateful for the high-energy show!
	12:45am chresti@ bed: Coel-they usually get peop
	12:46am chresti@ bed: When they’re in the shade -(harder to see )
	12:46am sufferwords: Weirdos!!!!!
	12:47am coelacanth∅: yeah PigPen checking out hurt, Constanten didn't help, Donna and Keith hurt, Micky hurt sometimes, Garcia got boring, doing the same noodly thing over and over...and over...Weir decided to try to do what Pig Pen did and always sucked at it, and he only got worse the more confident he got... that said, i like them enough to have a 313 song. 34-hour spotify grateful dad playlist.
	12:47am Dean: One of my big mistakes: not heading out to El Monte or somewhere else in SGV in the late '70s/early '80s to hear The Fall when they seemingly randomly appeared.
	12:48am Dean: By the way, The Fall are not "post-" anything. They're punk, pure and simple. (Yes, they are pure and simple.)
	12:49am Nate K.: Hat tip . . .
	12:49am coelacanth∅: (i actually do not have a grateful DAD playlist...)
	12:50am rw: Dean, I think I was there! Was the venue called... dang, I can't remember. Something kind of hick.
	12:50am Franco Twinkie: Dean, David Amico's stuff really appealed to me. When all the painterly painters started getting props in the early '80's Davids work struck me as some one who was brilliant colorist. Restraint for maximum effect.
	12:52am sufferwords: bummer ya gotta bail- yer show played swell on the west coast - but i get not only getting off at 3 but then having slow yourself down after - disrupting to say the least - hope ya get a amenable slot in the future- enjoyed the fuck outta yer show - peace
	12:53am coelacanth∅: this show would be perfect during the day.
	12:54am chresti@ bed: IMG_1933.JPG
	12:54am Dean: rw: I recall it was a bar, which doesn't help much. Wanna kick myself. FT: When I think of David, I think of Michael Hoenig's Departure from the Northern Wasteland, to which he made some sort of contribution...the cover? The studio?
	12:55am chresti@ bed: Don’t know if that works
	12:56am coelacanth∅: that doesn't work!
	12:56am Franco Twinkie: Dean, I was there. The show was at Oscars Corn Husker in Azuza. It was wildly appropriate - The Fall playing next to a gravel pit!
	12:57am TomDash: thanks so much sufferwords...will be back - got a fill-in Sept 23 @ 12-3PM and more fill-ins to come...
	12:57am Dean: That sounds right, Franco! BIG mistake on my part, and I kinda knew it even then.
	12:58am rw: The Cornhusker, or Earl's Roadhouse, something like that. Anyway, I remember not having a great time. They wouldn't let us sit at the tables if we weren't buying drinks (which we couldn't afford back then) and we couldn't lean against the walls or sit on the floor. Just had to stand on the dance floor and wait for the band, which was good, but I remember being so annoyed it kind of ruined it. I think we had to stand at least a couple hours waiting.
	12:58am rw: Franco, you were there too! Wild small world.
	1:00am Dean: Actually, Earl's Roadhouse sounds more like what I remember hearing (on the radio) at the time, but you know, this was forty years ago.
	1:01am Scraps: whew, thunderstorm getting closer (Snohomish County, Washington).... may have to turn off my ipad. If so, sucks. TomDash, I will look for you in fill-ins.
	1:01am rw: I think FT got it right. Oscar's Corn Husker.
	1:01am TomDash: thanks for all the support Scraps!
	1:07am diciassette: This guy reminds me of that guy in Honeymoon Killers. Of course he's in a post-punk band and sings in French, but still.
	1:07am Franco Twinkie: Yes! My Brother-in-laws band, The Silver Chalice opened for them. And my ex brother-in-law did the poster/flyer and was also the DJ. He played Summer Time Blues by Blue Cheer AND Omaha by Moby Grape as The Fall came on stage. Recently he told me he spent the entire time The Fall were playing to drunk to stand up underneath a table on stage next to Brix.
	1:13am rw: FT, Nice! I'm glad SOMEONE had a good time!! And even wilder smaller world!!
	1:15am Hubig Pie: I think post punk was the best music era of all the music eras
	1:19am rw: Okay, a little past due but I'm cracking a beer in honor of DotDash Radio. Here's to you TD!!
	1:19am rw: Cracking a beer with my WFMU bottle opener no less!
	1:21am diciassette: It's never too late to make bad decisions, eh. I am trying to figure out how to pour a Guinness and this may require several takes.
	1:22am TomDash: Thanks much rw! Too tired for a beer right now to join ya, but I will be enjoying a lovely glass of whiskey when I get back home around 3:30!
	1:22am diciassette: "Bill Direen documentary" I'm excited!
	1:22am Hubig Pie: tho it could be age related, I was'nt around for the Lindy Hop
	1:22am rw: diciassette, I bet you get it figured out around the fourth pour.
	1:23am Scraps: (Summertime Blues was originally by Eddie Cochrane.)
	1:23am diciassette: Great it comes in a four-pack for some reason!
	1:24am Scraps: I want to see a Bill Direen documentary too, if I can!
	1:24am Agent Peter: Tom - thanks for a great run this summer. Hope to hear you back on these airwaves soon.
	1:25am TomDash: Thanks Agent Peter!
	1:25am rw: Thanks for the radio this past semester or season or whatever you call it. Been super fun!
	1:27am coelacanth∅: don't forget, if you're in the u.s. and pouring a guinness you must create a 4-leaf clover on top of the head it's tradition
	1:28am diciassette: do I look like a dang barista or something
	1:30am coelacanth∅: i and everyone i knew called what's called post-punk now punk. did anyone call anything "post punk" at the time? i never even heard that term until at least the mid-90s
	1:32am mariano: I had this discussion online on another forum. I don't remember hearing the term post-punk till sometime in the 90s, but the person I was gabbing with said it was used back in the day. He was in the UK, so maybe the term was more prominent there?
	1:34am rw: coel, I remember using the term post-punk in the early '80s. And Emo was called Death Rock.
	1:35am Scraps: I definitely heard postpunk used by the mid80s, used to describe more arty punks, like Wire, Magazine, and yes, The Fall.
	1:36am coelacanth∅: seems like a non-distinctive distinction to me kind of like most sub-genres there are blurry lines if lines at all; and "punk" is certainly not a time in history, which means there's no reason punk couldn't have been made after the punk era, whenever that was...
	1:36am coelacanth∅: so wire, which was a punk band, turned into a post-punk band?
	1:36am rw: Yes! But post punk could not have existed before punk!
	1:36am Tom in Los Angeles: great set mr Dash!!
	1:37am TomDash: coelacantho - I'm thinking post-punk started being used for in the mid 80s to differentiate bands like Killing Joke, Echo, Joy Division and the like, no? Before the noisy later 80s stuff like Big Black, Sonic Youth, etc I kinda use is as a real easy (read: lazy) term for any arty punk...
	1:38am Franco Twinkie: I think most of this post whatever sorting and categorizing is hilarious! I love when rock journalism uses academic tropes to give the subject some heft.
	1:38am Hubig Pie: I like my beer cold, my tv loud and my punks arty.
	1:39am Scraps: But sometimes now you hear it to describe goth, coldwave, even new wave and shoegaze, which is.... no.
	1:39am coelacanth∅: yeah joy division is the example a friend here used to differentiate when we had this same discussion a week ago. (with no conclusion)
	1:39am TomDash: thanks LA Thom!
	1:40am Scraps: Yes, I think coelacanthØ, Pink Flag was punk, Chairs Missing was postpunk. It’s a real difference, to me
	1:41am TomDash: ha! I mean LA "Tom" - doing too many things at once! ha
	1:42am Tom in Los Angeles: ;))
	1:42am rw: Scraps, I'm with you on that one! Nice definition!
	1:43am Franco Twinkie: Scraps, The first time I heard someone say Chill Wave, I knew the train had left the station without me.
	1:43am coelacanth∅: supposedly...what was claimed at the time... punk was an attitude; which was how bands like the ramones were called punk - when their music was just basic rock n roll. so if that attitude prevailed in joy division, echo, killing joke why wouldn't it be called "punk"? and why was television and talking heads - very "arty" bands - called punk?
	1:43am Scraps: ;-)
	1:44am Scraps: (to Franco)
	1:45am Scraps: Well, I don’t think Talking Heads were punk. ;-)
	1:46am coelacanth∅: haha Franco your instinct warned you of an imminent trainwreck
	1:46am Hubig Pie: Hey Scraps, I be in Oly , WA in 2 days to visit me mum. Guess I better bring the rain gear
	1:46am diciassette: "___ wave! IT's a totally different head"
	1:46am diciassette: Totally
	1:48am coelacanth∅: and talking heads were called punk at the time (as was Elvis Costello, Wreckless Eric, Blondie etc) it was supposedly about the attitude, not the music.
	1:48am Scraps: And Television was just rock, to me. The only reason they were described by punk was they came out in 1976-77. To me.... (shrug)
	1:50am rw: Hmmm... As I remember it, punk was reactionary at first, then got codified into a particular segment of the reaction as some bands played with a more "punk" aesthetic and others more "new wave".
	1:51am coelacanth∅: Scraps that's how it sounds to me too. i discovered television by buying a compilation and there was no mention of punk and i never considered it. i found out years later that they were considered punk. ...but again it was about their relatively irreverent attitude.
	1:52am Scraps: Yeah, I know... I don’t accept the “attitude” if I’m trying to nail down music. Then I have to know something about the band other than their music.... I mean, mostly I don’t know them, but music I can listen to
	1:52am Tom in Los Angeles: tv party tonight
	1:53am Scraps: All right!
	1:53am coelacanth∅: i agree Scraps. so let's create new terms that actually describe the music!
	1:54am diciassette: Something happened, and I feel like it couldn't have happened at any other time. This is because the world was supposed to end. In middle school we being scared schnitz-less about the end of the world by our boomer teachers.
	1:54am mariano: Back in the 90s I had a friend who insisted that the Ramones couldn't be punk because they had long hair.
	1:54am rw: I remember when my kids were little my son had a pair of crab sunglasses. I described them as punk and it confused my daughter who said, those aren't punk. Punk is tough. Those are dorky. I told her in the beginning punk was dorky too!
	1:54am coelacanth∅: haha
	1:55am Hubig Pie: I discovered television in '63 when my parents sat me in front of it so I could be babysat by Fred Flinstone
	1:55am Franco Twinkie: If your idea of a great rock band was Boston, The Taking Heads were just to peculiar to be anything else. It's funny how the concept punk threatened people. It's as if the very idea would make it impossible for them to ever enjoy music again. Silliness is what it was. Huffing and puffing by some really dumb kids.
	1:55am coelacanth∅: i was in a punk band in the 80s and i refused to cut my hair because i wasn't about to conform!
	1:55am Scraps: Man, so many genres in techno..... Little little differences! I gave up genres completely in about the nineties!
	1:56am coelacanth∅: i wouldn't trust my kids to fred flintstone
	1:56am rw: I think we're all on the same page.
	1:58am rw: Time for another beer.
	1:58am coelacanth∅: wait i just heard a "chime". - turn the page
	2:00am diciassette: "This midnight I will turn into a beer, I will"
	2:00am Scraps: mariano, I was a punk and I deliberately grew my hair out (early eighties), because I wasn’t to fit any costume of a punk! I said that too to (very few) punks that called me out.
	2:01am Franco Twinkie: Yes RW. So much so, that I think I can safely take a break and have a shower without music as we know it devolving any further.
	2:03am coelacanth∅: Franco, even Costello was pretty peculiar for the moment ...i mean, i remember how it affected pink floyd-lovin' me when i first heard it. it was rough at the edges, raw, snarly and sarcastic. not boston, not zeppelin, not even the 'stones. not even Iggy -at that time.
	2:06am Hubig Pie: Mr. DJ , tonights entertainment has been quite entertaining
	2:08am rw: This won't make sense to anybody but I think I'm going to make it through September.
	2:08am coelacanth∅: dip flash dip flash dip flash ...Tom what are we gonna talk about next?
	2:10am rw: Is it dip flash or dead flesh?
	2:10am coelacanth∅: i hope you make it through september; and toward the end of the month i'll start hoping you make it through october...
	2:11am Tom in Los Angeles: long live the new flesh
	2:11am rw: cc, I'll be fine. Just looking at the work schedule. September always sucks.
	2:12am coelacanth∅: i always thought it was big flash but one of those lyric sites once told me it's dip flash. they could've lied.
	2:12am Scraps: love cronenberg
	2:12am ian: omg so durrrty
	2:13am mariano: @Scraps: this friend of mine was (and still is!) English, and I think over there the look was more important than here. The music scenes over there, at least some of them, seem to have a real tribal element: mods, rockers, etc, and fashion was a big part of it, much like with hip hop in the US. Though to be fair, in the 80s I was a glaring example of the little wannabe punk, had to have the whole uniform. At least for a couple of years.
	2:13am mariano: PS: Ditto on Videodrome and Cronenberg in general.
	2:13am rw: I've always thought dead flesh because of a car crash, but as I think about it, it's more about the lines in the road. There's never really a crash is there?
	2:15am Tom in Los Angeles: ;) @Scraps @mariano
	2:16am coelacanth∅: hmm. yeah i think it leaves off in the midst of dealing with the possibility of crashing
	2:17am rw: Need to reprogram my brain a little... dip flash, dip flash, dip flash, dip flash...
	2:19am The Count of Al Dente: Great playlist!
	2:20am ignatatus666: That playlist was excellent
	2:20am Hubig Pie: mariano, don't even get me started on those g'dam teddy boys
	2:20am coelacanth∅: mariano i was into the stiffs label stuff right from the get go, and not into dippity do and black leather and all that; so i just had to go to the thrift store and get some old suit jackets and skinny ties. at one point i did peachfuzz the sides of my head. (the rest of my hair was still long though)
	2:25am Tom in Los Angeles: just wow
	2:26am DouglasInDallas: Awesome set for my drunky walk home!
	2:29am TomDash: I haven't been able to follow along too much, that's what the archive is for - but just wanna say you folks all rule! Thanks for tuning in these few months...feel free to drop me an email through here and I can keep ya posted on fill-ins and future shows...
	2:31am Francis: I hope next Crack Cloud album will be as excellent as their first two eps . Great playlist !
	2:31am Franco Twinkie: Coel, The comp album Hits Greatest Stiffs? The inner sleeve? They show pictures of all these albums that aren't on stiff prefaced with "Some records on other labels you might enjoy"Who the fuck does that!?! Not a great business plan,but if you love music...
	2:32am mariano: Yeah, I loved the old suit jackets! Started going bald at 24/25, so (thankfully) I never got a chance to delve into the teddy boy look, Hubig, I'd exhausted all my hairstyle options by then.
	2:32am rw: tom, you actually read this stuff in archive? I need to be a little more careful about what I type.
	2:33am coelacanth∅: i emailed you earlier, probably while you were busy preparing your program. funny you mention Creamo Coyl. i did as well. i made an attempt at closure of my previous rant. please excuse me!
	2:36am coelacanth∅: Franco, shit. i forgot about that! it gave me a good impression anyway. like, "we're in it for the love of it"
	2:36am TomDash: yep- saw your email coel...no worries at all...will stay in touch!
	2:38am Franco Twinkie: Exactly.
	2:38am diciassette: exponential hearts and stars for Animals & Men!
	2:39am coelacanth∅: mariano i did load up one of the jackets with safety pins, and a friend and myself wore jackets and ties but no shirts to school once. got a lot of shit for it but as long as we kept them buttoned mostly up they couldn't do anything about it.
	2:39am Franco Twinkie: I like this guitar sound.
	2:40am TomDash: Funny - 3 months of doing this and its the first time I'm running out of stuff to play! HA!
	2:40am coelacanth∅: (and i painted every button on one with the ethiopian flag. that was pretty silly)
	2:41am rw: Probably getting into territory I shouldn't but I wish Creamo C. was on at a better time for me. I catch bits every once in a while in the car but miss his show at night when I could sit and listen for an extended period. I really like his show.
	2:41am mariano: Nice one, @coela!
	2:41am rw: Tom, you've got less than 20 minutes. We believe in you.
	2:41am diciassette: getting Arab Strap vibes. I've had 3 guinnesseses tho
	2:42am coelacanth∅: same here rw. i used to listen to him regularly when he was on at night. i rarely ever heard Brian Turner either.
	2:43am coelacanth∅: diciassette i actually thought it was Tricky at first. but yeah more arab strap than Tricky for sure
	2:44am rw: I rarely heard Brian T either but felt good that there was interesting programming even when I couldn't listen. Same as I feel about C. Coyle now!
	2:44am Franco Twinkie: I'm Fading, but I won't go to bed until this thing is put on the curb.
	2:45am rw: With you FT. The bitter end...
	2:45am diciassette: hang on!
	2:45am coelacanth∅: i'm telling you now i'm gonna guard it so dogs don't pee on it
	2:46am mariano: We're the night shift!
	2:46am diciassette: ay
	2:48am coelacanth∅: i didn't think i'd be up past 1 but now i'm totally wired
	2:49am coelacanth∅: ...my heart and i agree.
	2:50am Scraps: coel, might as well listen to John Monroe!
	2:51am BH: Being in Central Time (plus my sleep schedule) means almost all of the AM hour shows I hear are the 12am-3am ET timeslot slows. For some reason, 11pm-2am CT seems more manageable than 12-3.
	2:53am coelacanth∅: i don't know John Monroe so i'd like to check it out but i need to try to sleep. i barely slept last night and i have to do things tomorrow (today)
	2:53am TomDash: Alright wrapping things up folks, thanks again for all the comments and for digging the show! I have my first fill-in 9/23 @ 12-3PM for Joe Belock and then a couple Marty McSorley's in November...probably more in between (I Hope!)...
	2:53am mariano: Same here, @BH, in Central too.
	2:54am diciassette: It's always today or tomorrow, or something.
	2:54am The Count of Al Dente: thanks for the great show.
	2:55am mariano: Been a blast, Tom, thanks so much -- hope to see you back soon! Great chatting with everyone too!
	2:55am Franco Twinkie: It is still yesterday here.
	2:55am Tom in Los Angeles: first the the Ghetto one Jeff C & now the big wave radio crash DJ TomDash:// hard times on the boulevard at the fun & only one
	2:56am coelacanth∅: have trouble catching Belock too but at least i'll probably be here for Marty's shows
	2:57am rw: Thanks TomDash! Catch you in fill-in mode!! Night all. Enjoy the remainder of the weekend!
	2:58am coelacanth∅: Thanks and see ya soon! g'night y'all, take care
	2:58am diciassette: merci mille foissss see you space cowboy
	2:59am TomDash: thanks folks!!!!!
	2:59am Franco Twinkie: The lights are going up. We slouch toward the exit. Everybody go to bed.
	3:02am Scraps: Oh man... see you, come again
	7:09am Kasey00: Scraps, i like rock and rock and roll 9apps.ooo... it's more the abundant very commercial radio-friendly pop that bothers me.
	8:23am john: great. see you soon! regards https://technologywell.com/
	12:42pm spiceagent11: he Cornhusker, or Earl's Roadhouse, something like that. Anyway, I remember not having a great time. They wouldn't let us sit at the tables if we weren't buying drinks (which we couldn't afford back then) and we couldn't lean against the walls or sit on the floor. Just had to stand on the dance floor and wait for the band, which was good, but I remember being so annoyed it kind of ruined it.
	4:25pm spiceagent11: Scraps, i like rock and rock and roll vidmateapp.win... it's more the abundant very commercial radio-friendly pop that bothers me.

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September 8, 2019: Shed No Tears

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	Comments	New	Approx. start time
Flipper	Shed No Tears "Shed No Tears" by "Flipper"	Generic Flipper	Subterranean Records	1982		last one for a bit...Shed No Tears		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Love	Live and Let Live "Live and Let Live" by "Love"	Forever Changes						0:03:47 (Pop-up)
Grateful Dead	Cream Puff War "Cream Puff War" by "Grateful Dead"	Grateful Dead				60s punk		0:09:16 (Pop-up)
MC5	Skunk (Sonicly Speaking) "Skunk (Sonicly Speaking)" by "MC5"	High Time						0:11:33 (Pop-up)
The Outsiders	Doctor "Doctor" by "The Outsiders"	CQ						0:16:42 (Pop-up)
The Attack	Mr. Pinnodmy's Dilemma							0:21:17 (Pop-up)
J. K. & CO.	O.D. "O.D." by "J. K. & CO."	Suddenly One Summer						0:25:40 (Pop-up)
The Dukes of Stratosphear	My Love Explodes		Virgin	1985	7"			0:28:42 (Pop-up)
Tyrnaround	Francis "Francis" by "Tyrnaround"	Colour Your Mind	Guerssen	1986/2019		Reissue of 80s Aussie neo- psych band comes out Sept 19th!		0:32:10 (Pop-up)
David Bowie	See Emily Play "See Emily Play" by "David Bowie"	Pin Ups				best covers LP???		0:35:18 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Houston Person	Sissy Strut "Sissy Strut" by "Houston Person"							0:43:15 (Pop-up)
The Weirdos	Life of Crime "Life of Crime" by "The Weirdos"					going out to Nate K		0:43:32 (Pop-up)
The Fall	C.R.E.E.P. "C.R.E.E.P." by "The Fall"		Beggars Banquet	1984	7"			0:45:42 (Pop-up)
Volt	Couples "Couples" by "Volt"		In The Red	2002/2007				0:48:10 (Pop-up)
Band Apart	Eve Ryonne "Eve Ryonne" by "Band Apart"	Band Apart	Crammed Discs	1983				0:53:34 (Pop-up)
Klaus Dinger + Rheinita Bella Düsseldorf	America	Néondian (Klausi Scheißt Auf Hollywood)	Teldec	1985				0:57:51 (Pop-up)
Charles De Goal	Dr. Pretorius "Dr. Pretorius" by "Charles De Goal"	Double Face	New Rose	1986				1:03:20 (Pop-up)
The Bloods	Button Up "Button Up" by "The Bloods"		Exit International	1982	7"			1:07:46 (Pop-up)
The Homosexuals	You're Not Moving the Way You're Supposed To (part 2)	Astral Glamour						1:10:43 (Pop-up)
Poor Girls	Like Animal "Like Animal" by "Poor Girls"	Poor Girls	Self Released	1985				1:13:44 (Pop-up)
Bill Direen	Love In the Retail Trade	A Memory Of Others	Sophomore Lounge	2019		new 2LP set to accompany Bill Direen documentary	*	1:18:03 (Pop-up)
Cyclops	Alice "Alice" by "Cyclops"	Goat Volume	IMD	1994	CD	Criminally never on vinyl		1:22:08 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Cone Ten Reduction	"Cone Ten Reduction"							1:25:59 (Pop-up)
Sun City Girls	Camel Mucus "Camel Mucus" by "Sun City Girls"	Live From Planet Boomerang	Majora	1992				1:31:52 (Pop-up)
La 1919	Progetti Di Grandi Città Con Terazze	Ars srA		1987				1:39:34 (Pop-up)
Fly Pan Am	Distance Dealer "Distance Dealer" by "Fly Pan Am"	C'est ca	Constellation	2019			*	1:43:27 (Pop-up)
The Exorzist III	EVK "EVK" by "The Exorzist III"	Studio Backing Tracks	Self Released	2019	MP3	bandcamp	*	1:47:33 (Pop-up)
Dashiell Hedayat	Eh Mushroom, Will You Mush My Room? (excerpt)	Obsolete	Shandar	1971				1:52:18 (Pop-up)
Surplus 1980	Is That Better? "Is That Better?" by "Surplus 1980"	Pigeon Obstacle Course	Geomancy	2019			*	1:57:19 (Pop-up)
Efrim Manuel Menuck & Kevin Doria	A Humming Void An Emptied Place	are SING SINCK, SING	Constellation	2019			*	1:59:46 (Pop-up)
Sensations' Fix	Map "Map" by "Sensations' Fix"	Music is Painting in the Air (1974-1977)						2:04:39 (Pop-up)
Mikey Young	This...? "This...?" by "Mikey Young"	You Feelin' Me?	Castle Face	2017/2019			*	2:10:05 (Pop-up)
Les Poules	En Criant Su'l Perron "En Criant Su'l Perron" by "Les Poules"	Les Contes De L'Amère Loi	Ambiances Magnétiques	1986				2:13:13 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Aaron Moore & Thierry Muller	Is "Is" by "Aaron Moore & Thierry Muller"							2:16:56 (Pop-up)
Crack Cloud	Drab Measure "Drab Measure" by "Crack Cloud"	Crack Cloud						2:24:26 (Pop-up)
Lunch Lady	Sweet One "Sweet One" by "Lunch Lady"	Angel	Upset The Rhythm	2019			*	2:29:04 (Pop-up)
Rael Rean	Adjust-A-Girl "Adjust-A-Girl" by "Rael Rean"		Flying Bomb Records	2002	7"			2:31:09 (Pop-up)
The Dead Sound	Kill This Love "Kill This Love" by "The Dead Sound"	Cuts	Crazysane	2019			*	2:33:37 (Pop-up)
Animals & Men	Don't Misbehave in the New Age		Danger Records	1979/2014				2:37:10 (Pop-up)
Tropical Fuck Storm	Paradise "Paradise" by "Tropical Fuck Storm"	Braindrops	Joyful Noise	2019			*	2:39:33 (Pop-up)
Chris Forsyth & The Solar Motel Band	Solar Motel Part II	Solar Live 11.15.13	Electric Ragtime	2014		Chris Forsyth residency every Friday in September at Nublu		2:45:38 (Pop-up)
Bana Haffar	Zone III "Zone III" by "Bana Haffar"	Genera	Touch	2019			*	2:51:27 (Pop-up)
Philip Glass	Closing "Closing" by "Philip Glass"	Glassworks		1982		and we're outta here - thanks for listening over the summer! Back soon enough...		2:56:12 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	12:00am coelacanth∅: FLIPPER!
	12:01am mariano: Hey Tom, @coelacanth∅, everybody!
	12:01am coelacanth∅: hey Tom, mariano and future others
	12:02am Yvang: I love Flipper!
	12:02am khd: flipper lives
	12:03am Franco Twinkie: Sex bomb, baby!
	12:03am TomDash: Hey folks...last DotDash Radio show for a bit, but Shed No Tears, we'll be back!
	12:04am Franco Twinkie: Rip it up Tom!
	12:04am rw: TomDash!! Tonight it's okay to crash.
	12:04am Franco Twinkie: Arthur!
	12:05am coelacanth∅: i would not have thought of this segue
	12:05am TomDash: rw...I will crash, at 3:01! Thanks all for tuning in, been such a blast of a summer...
	12:05am Yvang: I love Love!
	12:08am TomDash: anyone like The Dead?
	12:08am rw: TD. Ouch.
	12:08am Franco Twinkie: Er, yes.
	12:09am coelacanth∅: funny you should mention...
	12:09am coelacanth∅: sorry rw! ...and from the BEST dead album!
	12:09am Franco Twinkie: Fuck yea!
	12:10am Agent Peter: who needs avant ghetto?
	12:11am coelacanth∅: because of the conversation about the dead yeasterday i listened to both anthem of the sun and aoxoxoa (sp?) this morning
	12:12am coelacanth∅: (ahem, it was a yeasty day...)
	12:13am Nate K.: Do your thing, my guy. Should you find room for a Weirdos jam, I wouldn't complain.
	12:13am Franco Twinkie: 4 for 4, Tom.
	12:13am rw: Ha! It's okay. I'm trying. I like THAT stuff. And I don't hate, just don't get the fervor. Plus I may have been reading in an unintended implication.
	12:14am TomDash: Hey Nate K - thanks for listening live! Will see if I can scrounge up some Weirdos next set!
	12:15am mariano: I've never been the biggest Dead fan, but a few years back, as an exercise in transcending my prejudices, I listened to the first three albums and found quite a few things in there I enjoyed. I know the bootlegs are supposed to be where it's at, but baby steps.
	12:15am Dean: I remember bumping into Nicky Beat an afternoon in downtown LA as he was delivering flowers. C. 1979.
	12:16am Franco Twinkie: Just another choice at the smorgy, RW. If you don't like the green beans, get the tapioca.
	12:16am coelacanth∅: rw i don't get the fervor either. but i do like the grateful dead, with reservations
	12:17am Dean: Always loved the Dead, never listened to them. Now, almost fifty years later, I do both.
	12:19am Franco Twinkie: Shit. It's a full house tonight. All the know-it-all's are here!
	12:20am Dean: I know.
	12:20am coelacanth∅: mariano i think the bootleg thing is based on the deadhead culture and the constant desire to relive the good times had at shows. in my -ever so unpopular- opinion, their studio albums are generally better. no "deadhead" will say that. ...and yeah, the earlier the better. the pre-first album recordings from 1966 are incredible! (though they are live...so i contradict myself...)
	12:22am Franco Twinkie: Dean, Nicky worked at this lunch counter around the corner from Chresti's house in Silverlake. He served me a sandwich. Nice guy.
	12:23am Nate K.: Killing it!
	12:23am Dean: BTW, FT and chresti, yesterday I drove from LA to Berkeley non-stop without having to pull over for gasoline. Around 10:30am, I drove from downtown LA up 5 past...Griffith Park! Thought of chresti.
	12:23am mariano: Didn't know about the pre-album recordings, @coelacanth∅, thanks for the tip!
	12:24am Agent Peter: The shows and the albums two totally different things. The free form nature of each show had special appeal, especially if you were there. But even if you weren't there and had been to enough shows you could listen to it differently than assessing it in a vacuum. The live shows became too formulaic in the latter years, imho
	12:25am Dean: I'm a fan of bootlegs qua bootlegs. Even if the studio albums are better, the archival/documentary evidence presented by arguably illegal recordings entice me.
	12:25am Franco Twinkie: She wasn't there. We stayed inside all day. Tomorrow she starts her work week.
	12:27am mariano: I'm 50 now, and when I was young, dropping out for a few months or a year to follow the Dead was still an option. A couple of friends of mine did it for varying periods of time. I never saw them live, but I always liked the idea of that being an option.
	12:28am Scraps: I really like Workingman’s Dead and American Beauty (yeah, yeah, I know), and some of the albums back & forth, when they are songs. I really don’t like jams, and therefore don’t like live Dead albums — and that is most of what you hear lately, ad nauseum. And the people who play them play them, well, a lot, so I get really tired of them, even though I mostly like them.
	12:29am Dean: Those who listen to Uncle Michael's Friday morning/afternoon show (depending on where you are) know that I attended every Dead show.
	12:30am rw: There's an artist in LA named Mark A. Rodriguez who's making GD tape racks as sculpture.
	12:30am rw: Dean, I'm still trying to figure out how that's possible.
	12:30am Yvang: It's about to be 25 O'clock
	12:31am TomDash: Ha - I knew spinning a Dead number would start a conversation. I'm a BIG fan - 60s, 70s live stuff, can't get enough. But we'll be talking about post-punk soon enough???
	12:31am coelacanth∅: i have an album -legit album but without approval of the band, called vintage dead. tied with "san francisco's grateful dead" as my favorite dead albums. apparently there's a volume 2 of vintage dead but i've never seen it. you can feel the fire, the raw energy, something that was all but gone within a few years. and the arrangements on songs that stayed in their repertoir (sp) so so SO much better than what they turned into. (and Bob Weir's singing was actually bearable then - even okay!)
	12:32am Dean: rw: You miss school on occasion. Speaking of LA artists, does anybody know David Amico? I know his sister and her husband pretty well.
	12:32am Agent Peter: plenty of slam dancing punks at mid-80's dead shows fwiw
	12:34am rw: I've met David. Talked with him a little many years ago. We taught at the same school for a while. Nice guy and a good artist too!
	12:35am Hubig Pie: Saw the GD at Red Rocks amphitheater in Colo. late 70's, didn't get it. I do enjoy the americana vibe of Workingman's Dead
	12:36am coelacanth∅: i've been to every David Bowie concert.
	12:36am Dean: That's great! I met him only once, maybe twice, at family events.
	12:37am diciassette: lol I made it to the Glass Spider tour (ahoy, guys)
	12:37am mariano: Oh man, I love this cover! See Emily Play has one of the most rockin' openings.
	12:37am Dean: Are you sure, coel? I seem to recall being at one c.1976, the midwest...you weren't there.
	12:37am coelacanth∅: hey diciassette
	12:38am Scraps: coelacanthØ, I’ve been to every Iggy Pop concert; maybe we’ve met
	12:38am chresti@ Griffith Park: There was a baby rattler on the way to the upper courts today. A co-worker texted me a photo
	12:38am coelacanth∅: Dean i was there. i had to have been.
	12:38am anne: i've now put my ikea bedframe together. it took 1.5 hrs. please hold your applause.
	12:39am Dean: I musta been distracted.
	12:39am coelacanth∅: can i buy you a shot?
	12:39am chresti@ Griffith Park: Hi tomdash! Happy time off! Goodnight !
	12:39am Hubig Pie: Coel, but you're losing your edge
	12:39am rw: Way to go anne!!
	12:39am Dean: "baby rattler" means one of at least two things.
	12:40am chresti@ bed: Is where I’m going
	12:40am diciassette: Brava! I put mine together 10 years ago and it still hasn't fallen on me
	12:40am Franco Twinkie: Mariano, I'm 64. When I first saw them as a 16 year old, the culture was not yet a codified thing. As a matter of fact, no one said Dead Head-ever. But sooner than later what so many people rightfully can't get past i.e. the brainless culture, started manifesting itself. For me, there were to many other options to really give a shit. Oh yeah, the sound changed forever when Keith and Donna joined the band.
	12:40am mariano: Good going, Anne! I'm useless with that kind of stuff.
	12:40am coelacanth∅: chresti i will never not be watching carefully for rattlers again. i consider myself lucky to be alive.
	12:41am anne: you guys are the best
	12:42am mariano: @Franco Twinkie: oh man, it must've been really something to see them back then!
	12:43am Franco Twinkie: It was indeed.
	12:43am Fox: Hey doooooods.
	12:43am Scraps: postpunk postpunk postpunk postpunk!
	12:44am b wad: Hi Tom, starting my morning run in Tel Aviv and grateful for the high-energy show!
	12:45am chresti@ bed: Coel-they usually get peop
	12:46am chresti@ bed: When they’re in the shade -(harder to see )
	12:46am sufferwords: Weirdos!!!!!
	12:47am coelacanth∅: yeah PigPen checking out hurt, Constanten didn't help, Donna and Keith hurt, Micky hurt sometimes, Garcia got boring, doing the same noodly thing over and over...and over...Weir decided to try to do what Pig Pen did and always sucked at it, and he only got worse the more confident he got... that said, i like them enough to have a 313 song. 34-hour spotify grateful dad playlist.
	12:47am Dean: One of my big mistakes: not heading out to El Monte or somewhere else in SGV in the late '70s/early '80s to hear The Fall when they seemingly randomly appeared.
	12:48am Dean: By the way, The Fall are not "post-" anything. They're punk, pure and simple. (Yes, they are pure and simple.)
	12:49am Nate K.: Hat tip . . .
	12:49am coelacanth∅: (i actually do not have a grateful DAD playlist...)
	12:50am rw: Dean, I think I was there! Was the venue called... dang, I can't remember. Something kind of hick.
	12:50am Franco Twinkie: Dean, David Amico's stuff really appealed to me. When all the painterly painters started getting props in the early '80's Davids work struck me as some one who was brilliant colorist. Restraint for maximum effect.
	12:52am sufferwords: bummer ya gotta bail- yer show played swell on the west coast - but i get not only getting off at 3 but then having slow yourself down after - disrupting to say the least - hope ya get a amenable slot in the future- enjoyed the fuck outta yer show - peace
	12:53am coelacanth∅: this show would be perfect during the day.
	12:54am chresti@ bed: IMG_1933.JPG
	12:54am Dean: rw: I recall it was a bar, which doesn't help much. Wanna kick myself. FT: When I think of David, I think of Michael Hoenig's Departure from the Northern Wasteland, to which he made some sort of contribution...the cover? The studio?
	12:55am chresti@ bed: Don’t know if that works
	12:56am coelacanth∅: that doesn't work!
	12:56am Franco Twinkie: Dean, I was there. The show was at Oscars Corn Husker in Azuza. It was wildly appropriate - The Fall playing next to a gravel pit!
	12:57am TomDash: thanks so much sufferwords...will be back - got a fill-in Sept 23 @ 12-3PM and more fill-ins to come...
	12:57am Dean: That sounds right, Franco! BIG mistake on my part, and I kinda knew it even then.
	12:58am rw: The Cornhusker, or Earl's Roadhouse, something like that. Anyway, I remember not having a great time. They wouldn't let us sit at the tables if we weren't buying drinks (which we couldn't afford back then) and we couldn't lean against the walls or sit on the floor. Just had to stand on the dance floor and wait for the band, which was good, but I remember being so annoyed it kind of ruined it. I think we had to stand at least a couple hours waiting.
	12:58am rw: Franco, you were there too! Wild small world.
	1:00am Dean: Actually, Earl's Roadhouse sounds more like what I remember hearing (on the radio) at the time, but you know, this was forty years ago.
	1:01am Scraps: whew, thunderstorm getting closer (Snohomish County, Washington).... may have to turn off my ipad. If so, sucks. TomDash, I will look for you in fill-ins.
	1:01am rw: I think FT got it right. Oscar's Corn Husker.
	1:01am TomDash: thanks for all the support Scraps!
	1:07am diciassette: This guy reminds me of that guy in Honeymoon Killers. Of course he's in a post-punk band and sings in French, but still.
	1:07am Franco Twinkie: Yes! My Brother-in-laws band, The Silver Chalice opened for them. And my ex brother-in-law did the poster/flyer and was also the DJ. He played Summer Time Blues by Blue Cheer AND Omaha by Moby Grape as The Fall came on stage. Recently he told me he spent the entire time The Fall were playing to drunk to stand up underneath a table on stage next to Brix.
	1:13am rw: FT, Nice! I'm glad SOMEONE had a good time!! And even wilder smaller world!!
	1:15am Hubig Pie: I think post punk was the best music era of all the music eras
	1:19am rw: Okay, a little past due but I'm cracking a beer in honor of DotDash Radio. Here's to you TD!!
	1:19am rw: Cracking a beer with my WFMU bottle opener no less!
	1:21am diciassette: It's never too late to make bad decisions, eh. I am trying to figure out how to pour a Guinness and this may require several takes.
	1:22am TomDash: Thanks much rw! Too tired for a beer right now to join ya, but I will be enjoying a lovely glass of whiskey when I get back home around 3:30!
	1:22am diciassette: "Bill Direen documentary" I'm excited!
	1:22am Hubig Pie: tho it could be age related, I was'nt around for the Lindy Hop
	1:22am rw: diciassette, I bet you get it figured out around the fourth pour.
	1:23am Scraps: (Summertime Blues was originally by Eddie Cochrane.)
	1:23am diciassette: Great it comes in a four-pack for some reason!
	1:24am Scraps: I want to see a Bill Direen documentary too, if I can!
	1:24am Agent Peter: Tom - thanks for a great run this summer. Hope to hear you back on these airwaves soon.
	1:25am TomDash: Thanks Agent Peter!
	1:25am rw: Thanks for the radio this past semester or season or whatever you call it. Been super fun!
	1:27am coelacanth∅: don't forget, if you're in the u.s. and pouring a guinness you must create a 4-leaf clover on top of the head it's tradition
	1:28am diciassette: do I look like a dang barista or something
	1:30am coelacanth∅: i and everyone i knew called what's called post-punk now punk. did anyone call anything "post punk" at the time? i never even heard that term until at least the mid-90s
	1:32am mariano: I had this discussion online on another forum. I don't remember hearing the term post-punk till sometime in the 90s, but the person I was gabbing with said it was used back in the day. He was in the UK, so maybe the term was more prominent there?
	1:34am rw: coel, I remember using the term post-punk in the early '80s. And Emo was called Death Rock.
	1:35am Scraps: I definitely heard postpunk used by the mid80s, used to describe more arty punks, like Wire, Magazine, and yes, The Fall.
	1:36am coelacanth∅: seems like a non-distinctive distinction to me kind of like most sub-genres there are blurry lines if lines at all; and "punk" is certainly not a time in history, which means there's no reason punk couldn't have been made after the punk era, whenever that was...
	1:36am coelacanth∅: so wire, which was a punk band, turned into a post-punk band?
	1:36am rw: Yes! But post punk could not have existed before punk!
	1:36am Tom in Los Angeles: great set mr Dash!!
	1:37am TomDash: coelacantho - I'm thinking post-punk started being used for in the mid 80s to differentiate bands like Killing Joke, Echo, Joy Division and the like, no? Before the noisy later 80s stuff like Big Black, Sonic Youth, etc I kinda use is as a real easy (read: lazy) term for any arty punk...
	1:38am Franco Twinkie: I think most of this post whatever sorting and categorizing is hilarious! I love when rock journalism uses academic tropes to give the subject some heft.
	1:38am Hubig Pie: I like my beer cold, my tv loud and my punks arty.
	1:39am Scraps: But sometimes now you hear it to describe goth, coldwave, even new wave and shoegaze, which is.... no.
	1:39am coelacanth∅: yeah joy division is the example a friend here used to differentiate when we had this same discussion a week ago. (with no conclusion)
	1:39am TomDash: thanks LA Thom!
	1:40am Scraps: Yes, I think coelacanthØ, Pink Flag was punk, Chairs Missing was postpunk. It’s a real difference, to me
	1:41am TomDash: ha! I mean LA "Tom" - doing too many things at once! ha
	1:42am Tom in Los Angeles: ;))
	1:42am rw: Scraps, I'm with you on that one! Nice definition!
	1:43am Franco Twinkie: Scraps, The first time I heard someone say Chill Wave, I knew the train had left the station without me.
	1:43am coelacanth∅: supposedly...what was claimed at the time... punk was an attitude; which was how bands like the ramones were called punk - when their music was just basic rock n roll. so if that attitude prevailed in joy division, echo, killing joke why wouldn't it be called "punk"? and why was television and talking heads - very "arty" bands - called punk?
	1:43am Scraps: ;-)
	1:44am Scraps: (to Franco)
	1:45am Scraps: Well, I don’t think Talking Heads were punk. ;-)
	1:46am coelacanth∅: haha Franco your instinct warned you of an imminent trainwreck
	1:46am Hubig Pie: Hey Scraps, I be in Oly , WA in 2 days to visit me mum. Guess I better bring the rain gear
	1:46am diciassette: "___ wave! IT's a totally different head"
	1:46am diciassette: Totally
	1:48am coelacanth∅: and talking heads were called punk at the time (as was Elvis Costello, Wreckless Eric, Blondie etc) it was supposedly about the attitude, not the music.
	1:48am Scraps: And Television was just rock, to me. The only reason they were described by punk was they came out in 1976-77. To me.... (shrug)
	1:50am rw: Hmmm... As I remember it, punk was reactionary at first, then got codified into a particular segment of the reaction as some bands played with a more "punk" aesthetic and others more "new wave".
	1:51am coelacanth∅: Scraps that's how it sounds to me too. i discovered television by buying a compilation and there was no mention of punk and i never considered it. i found out years later that they were considered punk. ...but again it was about their relatively irreverent attitude.
	1:52am Scraps: Yeah, I know... I don’t accept the “attitude” if I’m trying to nail down music. Then I have to know something about the band other than their music.... I mean, mostly I don’t know them, but music I can listen to
	1:52am Tom in Los Angeles: tv party tonight
	1:53am Scraps: All right!
	1:53am coelacanth∅: i agree Scraps. so let's create new terms that actually describe the music!
	1:54am diciassette: Something happened, and I feel like it couldn't have happened at any other time. This is because the world was supposed to end. In middle school we being scared schnitz-less about the end of the world by our boomer teachers.
	1:54am mariano: Back in the 90s I had a friend who insisted that the Ramones couldn't be punk because they had long hair.
	1:54am rw: I remember when my kids were little my son had a pair of crab sunglasses. I described them as punk and it confused my daughter who said, those aren't punk. Punk is tough. Those are dorky. I told her in the beginning punk was dorky too!
	1:54am coelacanth∅: haha
	1:55am Hubig Pie: I discovered television in '63 when my parents sat me in front of it so I could be babysat by Fred Flinstone
	1:55am Franco Twinkie: If your idea of a great rock band was Boston, The Taking Heads were just to peculiar to be anything else. It's funny how the concept punk threatened people. It's as if the very idea would make it impossible for them to ever enjoy music again. Silliness is what it was. Huffing and puffing by some really dumb kids.
	1:55am coelacanth∅: i was in a punk band in the 80s and i refused to cut my hair because i wasn't about to conform!
	1:55am Scraps: Man, so many genres in techno..... Little little differences! I gave up genres completely in about the nineties!
	1:56am coelacanth∅: i wouldn't trust my kids to fred flintstone
	1:56am rw: I think we're all on the same page.
	1:58am rw: Time for another beer.
	1:58am coelacanth∅: wait i just heard a "chime". - turn the page
	2:00am diciassette: "This midnight I will turn into a beer, I will"
	2:00am Scraps: mariano, I was a punk and I deliberately grew my hair out (early eighties), because I wasn’t to fit any costume of a punk! I said that too to (very few) punks that called me out.
	2:01am Franco Twinkie: Yes RW. So much so, that I think I can safely take a break and have a shower without music as we know it devolving any further.
	2:03am coelacanth∅: Franco, even Costello was pretty peculiar for the moment ...i mean, i remember how it affected pink floyd-lovin' me when i first heard it. it was rough at the edges, raw, snarly and sarcastic. not boston, not zeppelin, not even the 'stones. not even Iggy -at that time.
	2:06am Hubig Pie: Mr. DJ , tonights entertainment has been quite entertaining
	2:08am rw: This won't make sense to anybody but I think I'm going to make it through September.
	2:08am coelacanth∅: dip flash dip flash dip flash ...Tom what are we gonna talk about next?
	2:10am rw: Is it dip flash or dead flesh?
	2:10am coelacanth∅: i hope you make it through september; and toward the end of the month i'll start hoping you make it through october...
	2:11am Tom in Los Angeles: long live the new flesh
	2:11am rw: cc, I'll be fine. Just looking at the work schedule. September always sucks.
	2:12am coelacanth∅: i always thought it was big flash but one of those lyric sites once told me it's dip flash. they could've lied.
	2:12am Scraps: love cronenberg
	2:12am ian: omg so durrrty
	2:13am mariano: @Scraps: this friend of mine was (and still is!) English, and I think over there the look was more important than here. The music scenes over there, at least some of them, seem to have a real tribal element: mods, rockers, etc, and fashion was a big part of it, much like with hip hop in the US. Though to be fair, in the 80s I was a glaring example of the little wannabe punk, had to have the whole uniform. At least for a couple of years.
	2:13am mariano: PS: Ditto on Videodrome and Cronenberg in general.
	2:13am rw: I've always thought dead flesh because of a car crash, but as I think about it, it's more about the lines in the road. There's never really a crash is there?
	2:15am Tom in Los Angeles: ;) @Scraps @mariano
	2:16am coelacanth∅: hmm. yeah i think it leaves off in the midst of dealing with the possibility of crashing
	2:17am rw: Need to reprogram my brain a little... dip flash, dip flash, dip flash, dip flash...
	2:19am The Count of Al Dente: Great playlist!
	2:20am ignatatus666: That playlist was excellent
	2:20am Hubig Pie: mariano, don't even get me started on those g'dam teddy boys
	2:20am coelacanth∅: mariano i was into the stiffs label stuff right from the get go, and not into dippity do and black leather and all that; so i just had to go to the thrift store and get some old suit jackets and skinny ties. at one point i did peachfuzz the sides of my head. (the rest of my hair was still long though)
	2:25am Tom in Los Angeles: just wow
	2:26am DouglasInDallas: Awesome set for my drunky walk home!
	2:29am TomDash: I haven't been able to follow along too much, that's what the archive is for - but just wanna say you folks all rule! Thanks for tuning in these few months...feel free to drop me an email through here and I can keep ya posted on fill-ins and future shows...
	2:31am Francis: I hope next Crack Cloud album will be as excellent as their first two eps . Great playlist !
	2:31am Franco Twinkie: Coel, The comp album Hits Greatest Stiffs? The inner sleeve? They show pictures of all these albums that aren't on stiff prefaced with "Some records on other labels you might enjoy"Who the fuck does that!?! Not a great business plan,but if you love music...
	2:32am mariano: Yeah, I loved the old suit jackets! Started going bald at 24/25, so (thankfully) I never got a chance to delve into the teddy boy look, Hubig, I'd exhausted all my hairstyle options by then.
	2:32am rw: tom, you actually read this stuff in archive? I need to be a little more careful about what I type.
	2:33am coelacanth∅: i emailed you earlier, probably while you were busy preparing your program. funny you mention Creamo Coyl. i did as well. i made an attempt at closure of my previous rant. please excuse me!
	2:36am coelacanth∅: Franco, shit. i forgot about that! it gave me a good impression anyway. like, "we're in it for the love of it"
	2:36am TomDash: yep- saw your email coel...no worries at all...will stay in touch!
	2:38am Franco Twinkie: Exactly.
	2:38am diciassette: exponential hearts and stars for Animals & Men!
	2:39am coelacanth∅: mariano i did load up one of the jackets with safety pins, and a friend and myself wore jackets and ties but no shirts to school once. got a lot of shit for it but as long as we kept them buttoned mostly up they couldn't do anything about it.
	2:39am Franco Twinkie: I like this guitar sound.
	2:40am TomDash: Funny - 3 months of doing this and its the first time I'm running out of stuff to play! HA!
	2:40am coelacanth∅: (and i painted every button on one with the ethiopian flag. that was pretty silly)
	2:41am rw: Probably getting into territory I shouldn't but I wish Creamo C. was on at a better time for me. I catch bits every once in a while in the car but miss his show at night when I could sit and listen for an extended period. I really like his show.
	2:41am mariano: Nice one, @coela!
	2:41am rw: Tom, you've got less than 20 minutes. We believe in you.
	2:41am diciassette: getting Arab Strap vibes. I've had 3 guinnesseses tho
	2:42am coelacanth∅: same here rw. i used to listen to him regularly when he was on at night. i rarely ever heard Brian Turner either.
	2:43am coelacanth∅: diciassette i actually thought it was Tricky at first. but yeah more arab strap than Tricky for sure
	2:44am rw: I rarely heard Brian T either but felt good that there was interesting programming even when I couldn't listen. Same as I feel about C. Coyle now!
	2:44am Franco Twinkie: I'm Fading, but I won't go to bed until this thing is put on the curb.
	2:45am rw: With you FT. The bitter end...
	2:45am diciassette: hang on!
	2:45am coelacanth∅: i'm telling you now i'm gonna guard it so dogs don't pee on it
	2:46am mariano: We're the night shift!
	2:46am diciassette: ay
	2:48am coelacanth∅: i didn't think i'd be up past 1 but now i'm totally wired
	2:49am coelacanth∅: ...my heart and i agree.
	2:50am Scraps: coel, might as well listen to John Monroe!
	2:51am BH: Being in Central Time (plus my sleep schedule) means almost all of the AM hour shows I hear are the 12am-3am ET timeslot slows. For some reason, 11pm-2am CT seems more manageable than 12-3.
	2:53am coelacanth∅: i don't know John Monroe so i'd like to check it out but i need to try to sleep. i barely slept last night and i have to do things tomorrow (today)
	2:53am TomDash: Alright wrapping things up folks, thanks again for all the comments and for digging the show! I have my first fill-in 9/23 @ 12-3PM for Joe Belock and then a couple Marty McSorley's in November...probably more in between (I Hope!)...
	2:53am mariano: Same here, @BH, in Central too.
	2:54am diciassette: It's always today or tomorrow, or something.
	2:54am The Count of Al Dente: thanks for the great show.
	2:55am mariano: Been a blast, Tom, thanks so much -- hope to see you back soon! Great chatting with everyone too!
	2:55am Franco Twinkie: It is still yesterday here.
	2:55am Tom in Los Angeles: first the the Ghetto one Jeff C & now the big wave radio crash DJ TomDash:// hard times on the boulevard at the fun & only one
	2:56am coelacanth∅: have trouble catching Belock too but at least i'll probably be here for Marty's shows
	2:57am rw: Thanks TomDash! Catch you in fill-in mode!! Night all. Enjoy the remainder of the weekend!
	2:58am coelacanth∅: Thanks and see ya soon! g'night y'all, take care
	2:58am diciassette: merci mille foissss see you space cowboy
	2:59am TomDash: thanks folks!!!!!
	2:59am Franco Twinkie: The lights are going up. We slouch toward the exit. Everybody go to bed.
	3:02am Scraps: Oh man... see you, come again
	7:09am Kasey00: Scraps, i like rock and rock and roll 9apps.ooo... it's more the abundant very commercial radio-friendly pop that bothers me.
	8:23am john: great. see you soon! regards https://technologywell.com/
	12:42pm spiceagent11: he Cornhusker, or Earl's Roadhouse, something like that. Anyway, I remember not having a great time. They wouldn't let us sit at the tables if we weren't buying drinks (which we couldn't afford back then) and we couldn't lean against the walls or sit on the floor. Just had to stand on the dance floor and wait for the band, which was good, but I remember being so annoyed it kind of ruined it.
	4:25pm spiceagent11: Scraps, i like rock and rock and roll vidmateapp.win... it's more the abundant very commercial radio-friendly pop that bothers me.

Tom Dash: Playlist from September 8, 2019

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