WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 15, 2019

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Webhamster Henry: Hello friends!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! El Techtrode Darts!
	6:01pm John from Florham park: Hello fellow technoids
	6:01pm Phillippe Bastille: Howdy, unplugging friends
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Mark! Technoticons! (Behind you!)
	6:01pm geezerette: Hey!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Baidu apologises for fake message from a dead boys account: www.scmp.com...
	6:02pm annie: so nice to be listening
	6:02pm melinda: Hi all
	6:03pm TDK60: Hi Mark, been a while. Mondays are usually busy anymore.
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hello!
	6:03pm Ike: Beep beep honk honk
	6:05pm LCBD: Hi Mark! Hi all!
	6:06pm John from Florham park: @Annie same here, besides shelia b show on Friday this is appointment listening
	6:06pm ultradamno: Does juggalo makeup mess with facial recognition software because the identity keeps coming back as 'jerk'?
	6:07pm mechamaiko: Hi friends! Hi Mark!
	6:08pm geezerette: oh no! :(
	6:10pm John from Florham park: @Nark just read about peter theil strange guy
	6:11pm John from Florham park: @Mark sorry for screwing up your name
	6:12pm dano59: Ultradamno is onto something
	6:15pm dano59: I unGoogled one of my devices last week - and sub to a newsletter (Popular Information) that eschews data mining
	6:15pm zebraboys: Marty the robot is stalking Stop & Shop https://newfoodeconomy.org/supermarket-robot-automation-ai-organized-labor-stop-and-shop/
	6:16pm melinda: Good news that Epstein will be testifying.
	6:18pm geezerette: Melinda, agree.
	6:19pm John from Florham park: @Dano59 how do I get that newsletter you have subscribed too
	🤖 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: Watch out for overseas shell corporations under Facebook's control that arrange campaign contributions to those particular lawmakers.
	6:23pm Adam West Coaster: I have been away for too long. Not by choice. So satisfying to get to tune in live today!
	6:23pm ultradamno: Do they also call him Errol?
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for the comments! @Adam West Coaster, glad you're able to join in today!
	6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well - so glad nobody is getting shot by cops now...
	🤖 6:29pm Bas NL: Time for a tinfoil suit..
	6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...being completely unnecessary & all...
	6:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 1st thing you learn in any work environment w/ electricity - don't let it cross your heart...
	6:31pm ultradamno: It's amazing how many non-lethal weapons kill people
	6:32pm geezerette: We're stuck in a horror show with no exit....no, wait, the sign is burned out but but my eyes have adjusted to the light, there's the outline of a door.
	6:32pm ultradamno: Rubber bullets, for another example.
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: Totally non-lethal, except for all the lethalities
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Only a Good Guy w/ a taser can prevent a Bad Guy w/ a taser ...so - more tasers...obviously...
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: (fatalities, i mean)
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...after all - the word 'gun' isn't in the 2nd Amendment...
	6:35pm ultradamno: listverse.com...
	🤖 6:35pm Bas NL: Seems like tasers need some AI. Flat on the floor = enough.. should be easy?
	6:37pm ultradamno: That's true "bear arms" is, which seems cruel to the bears. They were using those.
	🤖 6:38pm Bas NL: Solutionism. Great word!
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Train people? Takes money... Pay them enuff to be human? Takes money... What the hell - it's just the Police becoming an Army. How is that bad?!... Then there's sound cannons...
	6:39pm sim: How then do we deal with late-stage capitalism, which has turned all our lovely tech toys to wicked products?
	6:39pm geezerette: Ultra,!!! :D
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: @ultradamno - that Sticky Foam Gun looks interesting
	6:46pm ultradamno: That's been around for a long time. I can remember reading an article on non-lethal crowd control devices in, Spy, maybe, back in the early nineties or something. Asphyxiation seems like a potential problem.
	6:46pm Siobhan: Thiel’s an unreliable narrator at best. I wondered the timing of his google statement coinciding with the news last week about all the California cities having access to Palantir info and the leak of the Palantir police manual. (Thiel’s a founder)
	6:47pm ultradamno: ...article that included those, I mean to say. Also, shootable nets and stuff.
	6:47pm JakeGould: @BsaNL: “Seems like tasers need some AI. Flat on the floor = enough.. should be easy?” Stunningly naive assessment. The reality is any weapon of any kind used against any living thing can result in worse consequences than intended. More AI? Nope. Tasers are garbage. It‘s a fantasy that is like some kind of magic bean idea.
	6:47pm mechamaiko: A real hero by Electric Youth plays softly in the background
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: This Palantir. Named after Tolkien's Palantiri: devices that generally told people things they couldn't handle ?!??
	6:49pm Jeff Moore: Let's go immediately to wide deployment of ED-209! What could possibly go wrong?
	6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well - Killer Robots are coming. Next step from drones.
	6:50pm JakeGould: “Dick, I am very disappointed.” youtu.be...
	6:51pm mechamaiko: Speaking of robots vs humans, there are Amazon workers striking today because they don't want to be treated like robots. www.cnn.com...
	6:52pm sim: @Siobhan. Yes, Thiel is an opportunistic worm. If I were in the middle of a thunderstorm and he told me it was raining, I would wonder what his angle was.
	6:53pm Siobhan: @sim couldn’t have put it better myself
	6:54pm sim: A way to counter the Right on cops is to push privatization of police forces. Minorities and disenfranchised groups could subscribe to more consumer friendly security protection.
	6:54pm annie: interesting how SkyNet was so prophetic.... but not
	6:54pm geezerette: Ready to bang my head against the wall.
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Seems like we're left with having to use Human Intelligence..
	6:56pm sim: We're all bad guys.
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Juggalo make-up with Scott Urban's privacy eyewear technology embedded?
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well that was...excruciating. Appreciate it.
	6:59pm geezerette: Thanks, Mark!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Appreciate you tuning in & commenting.
	7:00pm ultradamno: Wonder what the Coug's biggest clash with authority was.
	7:03pm craplivion: omg.i cantt believe im listening to a reveized or even if it was the original version of the music box that i rember my grandfather listened to on am when i was ten years old

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 15, 2019

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July 15, 2019: Matt Stroud, author, "Thin Blue Lie"

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This week: Matt Stroud on his new book "Thin Blue Lie," on Tasers and "the failure of high-tech policing."

Links to Matt Stroud:

• Postindustrial.com, Matt's media company featuring "journalism, podcasts, and events about progress in postindustrial America."

• Twitter: @MattStroud

• Thin Blue Lie: The Failure of High-Tech Policing by Matt Stroud

Tech news

• Juggalo Makeup Foils Facial Recognition Technology: see also this.

• One Of The Country’s Major Suppliers Of Police Body Cameras Has Banned Facial Recognition. But That Isn’t Enough (Afrotech, June 28): "Axon may have tried to paint itself as doing some good by creating this ethics board, but the best thing the company could do is not exist. This is, after all, the developers of the Taser. Although no government agency really tracks Taser use or its impacts, a 2019 Reuters review of police records, news reports, and court documents found that at least 49 people died after being shocked by police with a Taser in 2018 alone."

• Taser Chief Gets $246 Million Stock-Option Award (WSJ, May 2): "[Axon CEO Patrick] Smith’s reported compensation far surpasses that of the highest-paid CEOs last year at much larger companies and is about 20 times the median pay for an S&P 500 chief."

• This Is Palantir’s Top-Secret User Manual for Cops (Vice, July 12): "The Palantir user guide shows that police can start with almost no information about a person of interest and instantly know extremely intimate details about their lives. . . . [giving] law enforcement nearly omniscient knowledge over any suspect they decide to surveil."

• Running From Cops: a new podcast about COPS, the long-running TV show.

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Artist	Track	Approx. start time
Matt Stroud, author of "Thin Blue Lie," tells the story of the company that makes Tasers, leading to what he calls "the failure of high-tech policing."
Tomas Dvorak	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomas Dvorak"
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Matt Stroud "Interview with Matt Stroud"	0:19:11 (Pop-up)
	Your comments "Your comments"	0:43:12 (Pop-up)
John Mellencamp	Authority Song "Authority Song" by "John Mellencamp"	0:55:49 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm Webhamster Henry: Hello friends!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! El Techtrode Darts!
	6:01pm John from Florham park: Hello fellow technoids
	6:01pm Phillippe Bastille: Howdy, unplugging friends
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Mark! Technoticons! (Behind you!)
	6:01pm geezerette: Hey!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Baidu apologises for fake message from a dead boys account: www.scmp.com...
	6:02pm annie: so nice to be listening
	6:02pm melinda: Hi all
	6:03pm TDK60: Hi Mark, been a while. Mondays are usually busy anymore.
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hello!
	6:03pm Ike: Beep beep honk honk
	6:05pm LCBD: Hi Mark! Hi all!
	6:06pm John from Florham park: @Annie same here, besides shelia b show on Friday this is appointment listening
	6:06pm ultradamno: Does juggalo makeup mess with facial recognition software because the identity keeps coming back as 'jerk'?
	6:07pm mechamaiko: Hi friends! Hi Mark!
	6:08pm geezerette: oh no! :(
	6:10pm John from Florham park: @Nark just read about peter theil strange guy
	6:11pm John from Florham park: @Mark sorry for screwing up your name
	6:12pm dano59: Ultradamno is onto something
	6:15pm dano59: I unGoogled one of my devices last week - and sub to a newsletter (Popular Information) that eschews data mining
	6:15pm zebraboys: Marty the robot is stalking Stop & Shop https://newfoodeconomy.org/supermarket-robot-automation-ai-organized-labor-stop-and-shop/
	6:16pm melinda: Good news that Epstein will be testifying.
	6:18pm geezerette: Melinda, agree.
	6:19pm John from Florham park: @Dano59 how do I get that newsletter you have subscribed too
	🤖 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: Watch out for overseas shell corporations under Facebook's control that arrange campaign contributions to those particular lawmakers.
	6:23pm Adam West Coaster: I have been away for too long. Not by choice. So satisfying to get to tune in live today!
	6:23pm ultradamno: Do they also call him Errol?
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for the comments! @Adam West Coaster, glad you're able to join in today!
	6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well - so glad nobody is getting shot by cops now...
	🤖 6:29pm Bas NL: Time for a tinfoil suit..
	6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...being completely unnecessary & all...
	6:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 1st thing you learn in any work environment w/ electricity - don't let it cross your heart...
	6:31pm ultradamno: It's amazing how many non-lethal weapons kill people
	6:32pm geezerette: We're stuck in a horror show with no exit....no, wait, the sign is burned out but but my eyes have adjusted to the light, there's the outline of a door.
	6:32pm ultradamno: Rubber bullets, for another example.
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: Totally non-lethal, except for all the lethalities
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Only a Good Guy w/ a taser can prevent a Bad Guy w/ a taser ...so - more tasers...obviously...
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: (fatalities, i mean)
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...after all - the word 'gun' isn't in the 2nd Amendment...
	6:35pm ultradamno: listverse.com...
	🤖 6:35pm Bas NL: Seems like tasers need some AI. Flat on the floor = enough.. should be easy?
	6:37pm ultradamno: That's true "bear arms" is, which seems cruel to the bears. They were using those.
	🤖 6:38pm Bas NL: Solutionism. Great word!
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Train people? Takes money... Pay them enuff to be human? Takes money... What the hell - it's just the Police becoming an Army. How is that bad?!... Then there's sound cannons...
	6:39pm sim: How then do we deal with late-stage capitalism, which has turned all our lovely tech toys to wicked products?
	6:39pm geezerette: Ultra,!!! :D
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: @ultradamno - that Sticky Foam Gun looks interesting
	6:46pm ultradamno: That's been around for a long time. I can remember reading an article on non-lethal crowd control devices in, Spy, maybe, back in the early nineties or something. Asphyxiation seems like a potential problem.
	6:46pm Siobhan: Thiel’s an unreliable narrator at best. I wondered the timing of his google statement coinciding with the news last week about all the California cities having access to Palantir info and the leak of the Palantir police manual. (Thiel’s a founder)
	6:47pm ultradamno: ...article that included those, I mean to say. Also, shootable nets and stuff.
	6:47pm JakeGould: @BsaNL: “Seems like tasers need some AI. Flat on the floor = enough.. should be easy?” Stunningly naive assessment. The reality is any weapon of any kind used against any living thing can result in worse consequences than intended. More AI? Nope. Tasers are garbage. It‘s a fantasy that is like some kind of magic bean idea.
	6:47pm mechamaiko: A real hero by Electric Youth plays softly in the background
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: This Palantir. Named after Tolkien's Palantiri: devices that generally told people things they couldn't handle ?!??
	6:49pm Jeff Moore: Let's go immediately to wide deployment of ED-209! What could possibly go wrong?
	6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well - Killer Robots are coming. Next step from drones.
	6:50pm JakeGould: “Dick, I am very disappointed.” youtu.be...
	6:51pm mechamaiko: Speaking of robots vs humans, there are Amazon workers striking today because they don't want to be treated like robots. www.cnn.com...
	6:52pm sim: @Siobhan. Yes, Thiel is an opportunistic worm. If I were in the middle of a thunderstorm and he told me it was raining, I would wonder what his angle was.
	6:53pm Siobhan: @sim couldn’t have put it better myself
	6:54pm sim: A way to counter the Right on cops is to push privatization of police forces. Minorities and disenfranchised groups could subscribe to more consumer friendly security protection.
	6:54pm annie: interesting how SkyNet was so prophetic.... but not
	6:54pm geezerette: Ready to bang my head against the wall.
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Seems like we're left with having to use Human Intelligence..
	6:56pm sim: We're all bad guys.
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Juggalo make-up with Scott Urban's privacy eyewear technology embedded?
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Well that was...excruciating. Appreciate it.
	6:59pm geezerette: Thanks, Mark!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Appreciate you tuning in & commenting.
	7:00pm ultradamno: Wonder what the Coug's biggest clash with authority was.
	7:03pm craplivion: omg.i cantt believe im listening to a reveized or even if it was the original version of the music box that i rember my grandfather listened to on am when i was ten years old

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 15, 2019

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