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Favoriting July 1, 2019: Archive show: Shoshana Zuboff, author, "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism"

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This week: archived show, originally aired May 13, 2019: Shoshana Zuboff.



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Pointers:

• Shoshana Zuboff on Twitter: @shoshanazuboff - author of The Age of Surveillance Capitalism and professor emerita of Harvard Business School. She was one of the first tenured female professors at HBS.



Source: Matt Stoller, May 13


• Google CEO Sundar Pichai's NYT op-ed (May 7): "To make privacy real, we give you clear, meaningful choices around your data. All while staying true to two unequivocal policies: that Google will never sell any personal information to third parties; and that you get to decide how your information is used. . . . a small subset of data helps serve ads that are relevant and that provide the revenue that keeps Google products free and accessible. [Mark notes: this is the data necessary for service improvement and largely irrelevant to Google's surveillance-and-control model.] That revenue also sustains a broad community of content creators, which in turn helps keep content on the web free for everyone. [Mark notes: just like flat-earth YouTubers!]"



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Tomaš Dvořák  Game Boy Tune   Favoriting Machinarium Soundtrack  0:00:00 (Pop-up)
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  Interview with Shoshana Zuboff, Part 1     0:15:03 (Pop-up)
  Interview with Shoshana Zuboff, Part 2     0:35:19 (Pop-up)
Red Rockers  China   Favoriting Good as Gold  0:53:55 (Pop-up)


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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techtonolonialists!
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Daddy Hernlet:

Good evening Mark and everyone!
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Bas NL:

Mark! Techtonites!
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark and the Techto-tragic!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Greg from ZONE 5:

Evening, gang!
  6:06pm
Dave Miss:

Hello all from Brooklyn. Tech-me to the river-tonics
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Greg from ZONE 5:

Adding it to my goodreads queue right now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
ultradamno:

F8. As in That's How I Escaped My Certain F8?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi ultradamno, Hernlet, Bas, James, Ken, Greg, Dave!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Bas NL:

We had -now- Mr. Facebook communications, former UK vice president, Nick Clegg. He's doing a tour visiting European politicians..and they all listen to him.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

We are running an archive show this evening - there was a mixup in the production schedule so we're bringing out a favorite recent show.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

For us Yanks Bas NL :
en.wikipedia.org...
Avatar 6:16pm
northguineahills:

here, need a beer... Sometimes, Mark, you remind me of Chirstian Slater in "Pump Up the Volume" (mainly your voice, you should do voice acting). Just a crazy idea from an insane person.....
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Bas NL:

Yeah, he's a heavy gun @RRN63! We need yo watch the goons.. He told a reporter we should not be to scared of social media. And Facebook is nothing like Darth Vader...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, ngh, voice acting sounds intriguing! (though in that intro I wasn't acting at all)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

'Trading in human futures.'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

@Bas NL : There's much attention on the revolving door w/ Government & Corporate Lobbyists - but an idea that for all its' sins - Tech is a world apart. There's an indication otherwise...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Bas NL:

I filled out a questionnaire about my customer experience i received by email. I'd never even heard of the company.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Mark Hurst:

Bas - which company?
Avatar 6:33pm
geezerette:

So much for Freedom Of Information act.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Bas NL:

Telerex Europe.. It's electronics related, which is my job, so they probably found my data somewhere..
  6:37pm
JakeGould:

They will let you download the nuts and bolts, but they will not share the completed machine with you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I am always saying we need a Digital Bill of Rights
( / assertion of Bill of Rights in Digital domain).
It sounds like loony Libertarianism - but is that actually succinct ?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Transparency is a good little word. I'm fond (obviously) of 'Accountability' as well...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Mark Hurst:

Good analogy, Jake
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Mark Hurst:

Accountability is a good little word... too bad Google has said, on the record, that they intend to elude it ("we'll take responsibility but not liability," said a Google rep to UK Parliament a few weeks ago)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...Google - LLC ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

... i.e. - 'let us take care of it - ourselves'...
  6:42pm
JakeGould:

Facebook recruiters (staff at Facebook) once emailed me at my personal email address like 4-5 years ago trying to get me to work for them. My first question, “How did you get my email address?” and they then proudly told me how they had profiled me from data culled from multiple sources that connected an un-public address to me and thus the contact. My response was basically, “Not interested. Just take me off your mailing list.”

Like I would be impressed by being deep stalked?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Bas NL:

Responsibility without liability sounds like a naughty 15-year old.
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geezerette:

I'm losing my sense of humor.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...or a Dorm dweller...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

"Come back, Jake. We're still watching you. We LIKE you, Jake. You'll join us someday, Jake."
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geezerette:

It robs us of our humanity.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...suddenly incomprehensibly rich & powerful...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...& in control of an unprecedentedly powerful social engine...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Bas NL:

Scary that, @Jake!
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northguineahills:

Could be worse, Jake, Apple contacted me to work on Apple Maps while I was employed years ago (had no idea how they tracked me down), after three interviews, I was told that they were only hiring in-house (and it paid 6 figures [ I have 2 figures in my bank account, currently])
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Mark Hurst:

Yes. This mindset seems to have now permeated all the industries Prof. Zuboff is listing now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Mark Hurst:

ngh - that must have been so frustrating. why didn't they tell you that at the beginning?!
  6:47pm
random listener abroad:

@Mark check out Hello World https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38212157-hello-world
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Bas NL:

No worries. The Libra will set us free..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, random listener!
  6:49pm
JakeGould:

If you want to see how off the recommendations for local stuff goes, live somewhere that is not popular and has a small data set. Even in NYC in the non-hip areas the recommendations are laughable.
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geezerette:

Bas...sigh.... :(
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Mark Hurst:

Arrrrrrrr, I hope to get around to talking about Libra on an upcoming show.
  6:51pm
JakeGould:

Libra is a great way for an average “Joe” to put money into a Swiss bank account controlled by others.
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geezerette:

Great interview.
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northguineahills:

@Mark: The lead of the project said the decision came from above out of nowhere. They lost out, as Apple Maps still sucks (google maps is more accurate, and crowdsources for free)

Since I read a lot of Spanish articles (watch movies, etc), even w/ duckduckgo.com, I get a lot ads en espanol.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Bas NL:

A good and interesting repeat.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Mark Hurst:

geezerette, Bas - thanks!
ngh - what a bummer!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Fuzzy:

25-week wait to read her book with my Libby app -- damn.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Fuzzy:

Janet Jackson should write a song about it.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Google Maps led about a hundred drivers down a muddy dirt road last week a the Denver airport when the main road was slowed from an accident.
  Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
oogoo:

Is it possible to cloak your phone in a portable metal box? Isnt't the claim that the Chinese tech industry and the Chinese state military pretty much the same symbiosis of American tech and the American military?
  6:56pm
JakeGould:

Behind the curve… There be dragons!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, for all the comments! See you live in-studio next week, July 8. (Not with Behind the Curve but with Chris Gilliard - see hypervisible.com )
Avatar 6:57pm
northguineahills:

@Ken: I memorize every map, so, I never use GPS, never had a problem navigating.

@Mark: Thanks, keep up the good fight!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, ngh!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! I'll tune in next week!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Come out and watch some soccer with Flat Earth FC! www.complex.com...
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