WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 12, 2018

Listener comments!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! Techtarishioners!
	6:02pm queems: hey folks
	6:02pm listener james from westwood: How do, Mark and all!!
	6:02pm TDK60: Hey there, techno-skeptic radio persons.
	6:02pm Roland from Australia: Here as usual. Thanks in anticipation.
	6:03pm TDK60: ultradamno, you really come up with those; I was tryin' to think of something.
	🤖 6:03pm Bas NL: Mark & Techtonitorians!
	6:04pm Zetti: For anyone who missed the Edward Snowden Interview 11/7/18... www.haaretz.com...
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: I like past futurism as now experienced in the future! That's where we are going to spend the rest of our lives. <tm Criswell>
	6:05pm melinda: Hi everyone!
	6:06pm Zetti: Oops. I'll try to find another link..
	🤖 6:06pm chresti: hello!
	6:06pm Aitch: Also from Australia, love the show.
	6:06pm Coleusound: I love listening to Mark at the gym!
	6:07pm queems: i need a big mama t shirt
	6:08pm ultradamno: But can the frog play an instrument like Moondog?
	🤖 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: So close to having a techtoad as mascot!
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: I just saw Escape From New York, set in the Future (1997), and one of the plot points is that Snake Plisskin gets a pair of exploding, dissolving RFID-like devices injected in his head.
	6:13pm ultradamno: "Surveillance Capitalism" there's a phrase to put chills down your spine.
	6:16pm melinda: I heard in an interview recently that Jair Bolsonaro illegally paid companies to spread fake news through What's App and it helped him win. Grim.
	6:17pm TDK60: Why does that corp. need a 2nd office? growth?
	🤖 6:18pm Ken From Hyde Park: The irritating part of the PBS doc was Facebook's response. They basically shrugged their shoulders at every turn and said they planned to "do better" in the future.
	🤖 6:19pm Ken From Hyde Park: More company for queems on the 7 train each morning!
	6:20pm ultradamno: "We'll do better in the future" is the new "fuck you".
	6:21pm TDK60: West Village? Ha. That'll be so quaint.
	6:22pm Robert Tables: @Ken, ultradamno: Facebook's responses annoyed me as well. Mr. Waltzman's interview was my favorite part of that first hour. I'm still planning to watch hour 2.
	🤖 6:22pm chresti: Los Angeles is considered too expensive for Amazon workers
	6:23pm bore: you're going to have to add Disney to your tech corporations list soon
	6:24pm geezerette: Goodbye freedom, nice knowing you.
	6:25pm TDK60: ..gosh, could that happen?
	6:25pm coelacanth∅: this doesn't sound like a novel.
	6:25pm ultradamno: Future, you say?
	6:25pm Coleusound: naaah that'll never happen... sent from mobile
	6:27pm βrian: Remember back when the future was utopian?
	6:27pm herb.nyc: FEED novel? I read a book review 3,4 wks ago of a dystopian bk and it said people were getting nutrition from the glare of a computer screen (or something like that). Scary. Same book?
	6:28pm Serpent Strike: Hmmm..... The future will likely be less utopian and more dystopian, the way that all these link nyc kiosks keep popping up around New York city.
	6:28pm Coleusound: omg don't give them ideas
	6:28pm coelacanth∅: okay it's a novel! interesting idea.
	6:28pm geezerette: Brian, let's go back!
	🤖 6:29pm Ken From Hyde Park: "The Comprehensive Guide to Quitting Google": www.lifehacker.com...
	6:29pm Serpent Strike: #Surveillance
	6:30pm geezerette: Please, someone, convince me the game's not over.
	6:30pm P-90: Pretty good for 2002. Then again, it does sound like it derives from a cyberpunk tradition that goes all the way back, past Gibson, past Brunner, to the 1967 movie "The President's Analyst"...
	6:30pm Serpent Strike: Better utopian than dystopian
	6:30pm Serpent Strike: The moon does not suck
	6:30pm TDK60: Just in the last 4 or 5 years, many folks I encounter round town seem like brainwashed zombies, almost; face in a screen.
	6:31pm βrian: Oh, no! Not reference as a verb!!
	6:32pm ultradamno: I think utopian at this point is a novel where a few people survive to see 2070
	6:32pm Serpent Strike: Yep. Today I saw 19/29 people on my way to school that were on their phone or electronic. They are like zombies that post on social media
	6:32pm northguineahills: Violet? a reboot of the Boxcar Children?
	6:33pm geezerette: Data is not information. It's static.
	6:33pm Serpent Strike: For proof that the moon does not suck, read What If? by Randal Munroe
	6:33pm Coleusound: is there clockwork orange slang in this book? this is important to me in my distopic content
	6:33pm paulo: speaking of seeing the future: Jenifer government - www.amazon.com...
	6:34pm Fox: There's social cost to not having FB as a forty-something. My exbf cancelled his fb, and he never gets invited to ANY social events whatsoever. That's how all the invitations go out these days. I know a number of people who keep an account just so they can stay connected to their social lives.
	6:35pm βrian: @geezerette: Unless you get your bits flipped. That's no fun.
	6:36pm geezerette: sigh...
	6:39pm northguineahills: @Fox: True, I only have a handful of friends in my new town, and the once a week when I check FB is when I find invites for gallery openings/concerts/dance parties happen (early 40s).
	6:41pm ultradamno: Kabletown! www.vanityfair.com...
	6:41pm geezerette: Feeding on streams like fish feed on plastic.
	6:42pm βrian: Why is there no anonymizing interface to FB? Ach, forget I asked.
	6:43pm TDK60: I don't knock communication; being manipulated tecno-socially-politically, I do.
	6:44pm geezerette: I used to read WIRED with a mixture of dread and fascination.
	6:47pm queems: you can't just have a fake ass moon
	6:47pm listener james from westwood: That's no moon . . .
	6:47pm βrian: Why didn't Neil plant a trademark claim flag when he had the chance??
	6:47pm Tommy in Neversink: I too have been to Chengdu
	6:47pm gw: I am so scared ! Please stop !
	6:48pm coelacanth∅: 2 moons for gooble
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: It's going to be built on the empty side fo the flat Earth.
	6:48pm gw: No ! Not bio hax!
	6:48pm queems: i feel like i need to meditate to this segment
	6:48pm TDK60: ..have there been good books looking into this chip stuff?
	6:49pm βrian: So, wait. You implant the chip every day, then remove it 8 hours later ...?
	6:49pm ultradamno: If we don't have an artificial sky what will they display the images of the tributes that have died over the course of the day on?
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: More Uncanny Valley: lyrebird.ai is getting somewhat better at voice synthesis.
	6:49pm SerpentStrike: It does not
	6:50pm northguineahills: They've been talking about solar reflection geocenthric satellites to help arctic communities to have more sunlight during the winter, for over a decade now...
	6:50pm geezerette: I like chocolate chips, potato chips.
	6:51pm coelacanth: (g☾☽gle)
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: @geezerette: The game is going to go into extra innings.
	6:52pm geezerette: Mark, you're not causing the despair. Hahaha, thanks guys! :)
	6:52pm SerpentStrike: Go disney!
	6:53pm northguineahills: @coel: Is that pronounced like Sun O)))
	6:54pm Neckbard: Well, any sociality so lazily and impersonally transacted is not worth it.
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: What I see are stressed out people that share houses/apartments with 4 or 5 people while working 10 hr+ days
	6:55pm coelacanth∅: ngh @6.50 and the bonus is it'll help to melt those damned ice caps too
	6:56pm TDK60: Too bad about Free Music Archive shutting down...no $.
	🤖 6:56pm chresti: Why can't these all powerful entities do something helpful?
	6:56pm coelacanth∅: ngh, g∅∅ble... that's pronounced like sun o))) !
	6:57pm ultradamno: I guess that means we're losing the Listening Party as well, that sucks
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & M.T.!
	6:57pm melinda: @Neckbard I don't agree, it really depends on one's circumstances. Social contact, even through social media, is a health necessity.
	6:58pm TDK60: chresti: I see that too, folks on the train exhausted, stressed. the working class.
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm northguineahills: what Bas said! (safe just to say that always).
	6:59pm βrian: If you feel you need to uee FB, it might help to, at least, implore your friends to help you find a way out.
	6:59pm geezerette: Thanks, Mark! (ouch)
	6:59pm TDK60: gracias Mark and technots.
	🤖 7:01pm chresti: Mucho Thanks!
	7:03pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everybody! Appreciate the good discussion this evening.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 12, 2018

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Mon. Nov 4th, 6pm - 7pm: Dystopia update (More info...)
Chatbots are now running rampant - appearing in new-model cars - as we're being told to "be nice to chatbots." Stores are using "digital price tags," which rely on surveillance to set the price to the company's liking. Meantime, Google's AI is giving wrong answers, in some cases, almost half the time. All these and more in Mark's dystopia update.
Mon. Dec 23rd, 6pm - 7pm: Don Fleming guest hosts Techtonic

November 12, 2018: M.T. Anderson predicted the future in his novel "Feed"

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This week: M.T. Anderson, author of Feed

Links to M.T.'s work:

• Twitter: @_MTAnderson

• Wikipedia entry

• Feed

• The Assassination of Brangwain Spurge

Recent News

• 60 Minutes on Facebook & Google and their surveillance model (see also the transcript)

• From PBS Frontline: The Facebook Dilemma: Rand Waltzman talks about the real-world effects of "mass manipulation."

• HQ2... and 3: Scott Galloway (Nov 9) calls Amazon HQ2 a "con": "Amazon’s HQ2 was over before it started. DC and NYC were always the winners... The Amazon HQ2 process was not transparent, but illuminating: Mr. Bezos and his board lack character and code."

• Google Plans Large New York City Expansion (WSJ, Nov 7): "Google is nearing a deal to buy or lease a planned 1.3 million-square-foot office building at St. John’s Terminal in the city’s West Village neighborhood."

• Alarm over talks to implant UK employees with microchips (Guardian, Nov 11): "Biohax of Sweden provides human chip implants the size of a grain of rice... [and] is in discussions with several British legal and financial firms about fitting their employees with microchips."

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
M.T. Anderson novel "Feed" describes a dystopian future where Americans walk around constantly distracted by digital advertising and social-media messages. Sound familiar?
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack	No label
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with M.T. Anderson "Interview with M.T. Anderson"			0:21:44 (Pop-up)
Mudboy	Swamp Things "Swamp Things" by "Mudboy"	Hungry Ghosts! These Songs Are Doors (Volume: V)	Digitalis
	Uncanny Valley "Uncanny Valley"			0:39:08 (Pop-up)
	Your comments "Your comments"			0:45:10 (Pop-up)
Happy Prescriptions	Feed "Feed" by "Happy Prescriptions"	Lights EP	No label	0:53:40 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! Techtarishioners!
	6:02pm queems: hey folks
	6:02pm listener james from westwood: How do, Mark and all!!
	6:02pm TDK60: Hey there, techno-skeptic radio persons.
	6:02pm Roland from Australia: Here as usual. Thanks in anticipation.
	6:03pm TDK60: ultradamno, you really come up with those; I was tryin' to think of something.
	🤖 6:03pm Bas NL: Mark & Techtonitorians!
	6:04pm Zetti: For anyone who missed the Edward Snowden Interview 11/7/18... www.haaretz.com...
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: I like past futurism as now experienced in the future! That's where we are going to spend the rest of our lives. <tm Criswell>
	6:05pm melinda: Hi everyone!
	6:06pm Zetti: Oops. I'll try to find another link..
	🤖 6:06pm chresti: hello!
	6:06pm Aitch: Also from Australia, love the show.
	6:06pm Coleusound: I love listening to Mark at the gym!
	6:07pm queems: i need a big mama t shirt
	6:08pm ultradamno: But can the frog play an instrument like Moondog?
	🤖 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: So close to having a techtoad as mascot!
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: I just saw Escape From New York, set in the Future (1997), and one of the plot points is that Snake Plisskin gets a pair of exploding, dissolving RFID-like devices injected in his head.
	6:13pm ultradamno: "Surveillance Capitalism" there's a phrase to put chills down your spine.
	6:16pm melinda: I heard in an interview recently that Jair Bolsonaro illegally paid companies to spread fake news through What's App and it helped him win. Grim.
	6:17pm TDK60: Why does that corp. need a 2nd office? growth?
	🤖 6:18pm Ken From Hyde Park: The irritating part of the PBS doc was Facebook's response. They basically shrugged their shoulders at every turn and said they planned to "do better" in the future.
	🤖 6:19pm Ken From Hyde Park: More company for queems on the 7 train each morning!
	6:20pm ultradamno: "We'll do better in the future" is the new "fuck you".
	6:21pm TDK60: West Village? Ha. That'll be so quaint.
	6:22pm Robert Tables: @Ken, ultradamno: Facebook's responses annoyed me as well. Mr. Waltzman's interview was my favorite part of that first hour. I'm still planning to watch hour 2.
	🤖 6:22pm chresti: Los Angeles is considered too expensive for Amazon workers
	6:23pm bore: you're going to have to add Disney to your tech corporations list soon
	6:24pm geezerette: Goodbye freedom, nice knowing you.
	6:25pm TDK60: ..gosh, could that happen?
	6:25pm coelacanth∅: this doesn't sound like a novel.
	6:25pm ultradamno: Future, you say?
	6:25pm Coleusound: naaah that'll never happen... sent from mobile
	6:27pm βrian: Remember back when the future was utopian?
	6:27pm herb.nyc: FEED novel? I read a book review 3,4 wks ago of a dystopian bk and it said people were getting nutrition from the glare of a computer screen (or something like that). Scary. Same book?
	6:28pm Serpent Strike: Hmmm..... The future will likely be less utopian and more dystopian, the way that all these link nyc kiosks keep popping up around New York city.
	6:28pm Coleusound: omg don't give them ideas
	6:28pm coelacanth∅: okay it's a novel! interesting idea.
	6:28pm geezerette: Brian, let's go back!
	🤖 6:29pm Ken From Hyde Park: "The Comprehensive Guide to Quitting Google": www.lifehacker.com...
	6:29pm Serpent Strike: #Surveillance
	6:30pm geezerette: Please, someone, convince me the game's not over.
	6:30pm P-90: Pretty good for 2002. Then again, it does sound like it derives from a cyberpunk tradition that goes all the way back, past Gibson, past Brunner, to the 1967 movie "The President's Analyst"...
	6:30pm Serpent Strike: Better utopian than dystopian
	6:30pm Serpent Strike: The moon does not suck
	6:30pm TDK60: Just in the last 4 or 5 years, many folks I encounter round town seem like brainwashed zombies, almost; face in a screen.
	6:31pm βrian: Oh, no! Not reference as a verb!!
	6:32pm ultradamno: I think utopian at this point is a novel where a few people survive to see 2070
	6:32pm Serpent Strike: Yep. Today I saw 19/29 people on my way to school that were on their phone or electronic. They are like zombies that post on social media
	6:32pm northguineahills: Violet? a reboot of the Boxcar Children?
	6:33pm geezerette: Data is not information. It's static.
	6:33pm Serpent Strike: For proof that the moon does not suck, read What If? by Randal Munroe
	6:33pm Coleusound: is there clockwork orange slang in this book? this is important to me in my distopic content
	6:33pm paulo: speaking of seeing the future: Jenifer government - www.amazon.com...
	6:34pm Fox: There's social cost to not having FB as a forty-something. My exbf cancelled his fb, and he never gets invited to ANY social events whatsoever. That's how all the invitations go out these days. I know a number of people who keep an account just so they can stay connected to their social lives.
	6:35pm βrian: @geezerette: Unless you get your bits flipped. That's no fun.
	6:36pm geezerette: sigh...
	6:39pm northguineahills: @Fox: True, I only have a handful of friends in my new town, and the once a week when I check FB is when I find invites for gallery openings/concerts/dance parties happen (early 40s).
	6:41pm ultradamno: Kabletown! www.vanityfair.com...
	6:41pm geezerette: Feeding on streams like fish feed on plastic.
	6:42pm βrian: Why is there no anonymizing interface to FB? Ach, forget I asked.
	6:43pm TDK60: I don't knock communication; being manipulated tecno-socially-politically, I do.
	6:44pm geezerette: I used to read WIRED with a mixture of dread and fascination.
	6:47pm queems: you can't just have a fake ass moon
	6:47pm listener james from westwood: That's no moon . . .
	6:47pm βrian: Why didn't Neil plant a trademark claim flag when he had the chance??
	6:47pm Tommy in Neversink: I too have been to Chengdu
	6:47pm gw: I am so scared ! Please stop !
	6:48pm coelacanth∅: 2 moons for gooble
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: It's going to be built on the empty side fo the flat Earth.
	6:48pm gw: No ! Not bio hax!
	6:48pm queems: i feel like i need to meditate to this segment
	6:48pm TDK60: ..have there been good books looking into this chip stuff?
	6:49pm βrian: So, wait. You implant the chip every day, then remove it 8 hours later ...?
	6:49pm ultradamno: If we don't have an artificial sky what will they display the images of the tributes that have died over the course of the day on?
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: More Uncanny Valley: lyrebird.ai is getting somewhat better at voice synthesis.
	6:49pm SerpentStrike: It does not
	6:50pm northguineahills: They've been talking about solar reflection geocenthric satellites to help arctic communities to have more sunlight during the winter, for over a decade now...
	6:50pm geezerette: I like chocolate chips, potato chips.
	6:51pm coelacanth: (g☾☽gle)
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: @geezerette: The game is going to go into extra innings.
	6:52pm geezerette: Mark, you're not causing the despair. Hahaha, thanks guys! :)
	6:52pm SerpentStrike: Go disney!
	6:53pm northguineahills: @coel: Is that pronounced like Sun O)))
	6:54pm Neckbard: Well, any sociality so lazily and impersonally transacted is not worth it.
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: What I see are stressed out people that share houses/apartments with 4 or 5 people while working 10 hr+ days
	6:55pm coelacanth∅: ngh @6.50 and the bonus is it'll help to melt those damned ice caps too
	6:56pm TDK60: Too bad about Free Music Archive shutting down...no $.
	🤖 6:56pm chresti: Why can't these all powerful entities do something helpful?
	6:56pm coelacanth∅: ngh, g∅∅ble... that's pronounced like sun o))) !
	6:57pm ultradamno: I guess that means we're losing the Listening Party as well, that sucks
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & M.T.!
	6:57pm melinda: @Neckbard I don't agree, it really depends on one's circumstances. Social contact, even through social media, is a health necessity.
	6:58pm TDK60: chresti: I see that too, folks on the train exhausted, stressed. the working class.
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm northguineahills: what Bas said! (safe just to say that always).
	6:59pm βrian: If you feel you need to uee FB, it might help to, at least, implore your friends to help you find a way out.
	6:59pm geezerette: Thanks, Mark! (ouch)
	6:59pm TDK60: gracias Mark and technots.
	🤖 7:01pm chresti: Mucho Thanks!
	7:03pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everybody! Appreciate the good discussion this evening.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 12, 2018

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