WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 16, 2018

Listener comments!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hello Mark and fellow Techtoneatniks!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Jaronfest!
	6:02pm geezerette: Yippie!
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark and Techtonicas! Ohw yes, the Jaron Lanier episode!
	6:02pm chris: Faust into Lanier. FMU DJs are the bestest. hi, folks.
	6:04pm listener james from westwood: Howdy, Mark and all!
	6:04pm queems: i'm getting closer to deleting my instagram
	6:05pm listener james from westwood: I was happy to see Elon Musk get a big, de-deifying, un-omniscient-ing smack in the face this week.
	6:05pm queems: @james SAME
	6:05pm Nanker de Tucson: I deleted my Facebook account in late 2009 , but kept a "burner" or anonymous Twitt account
	6:05pm melinda: Hi Techtons
	6:06pm RomanDogBird: zuck suckz
	6:06pm mrdonutsu: So when are we going to start discussing what happens when our current regime decides to nationalize the key players in our Tech industry (Goog, FB, etc.)? I'm envisioning it being rolled out both to "protect" us from the excesses of big tech that have been discussed here, and also framed as a means to protect "National Security".
	6:06pm melinda: What was that James?
	🤖 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and the techtonique! So great there's a TV commercial airing these days about the joy and convenience about accessing one's phone via facial recognition.
	6:08pm Michael 98145: where's Micah ?!? :)
	🤖 6:08pm Folsom: @melinda they were saying that the elon sub was too big and wouldn't work in the caves and elon doubled down on how important the sub was
	6:09pm listener james from westwood: I mean, was he imagining some sort of Fantastic Voyage shrinky-dink here?!
	6:09pm dale: i hope that the coach at least get's a demotion to assistant coach.
	🤖 6:09pm Folsom: @melinda then elon called the guy saying the sub was worthless a pedo since he was in thailand he was obviously looking for underage sex
	6:10pm Zetti: I still sport a Sony cassette walkman.... use it while gardening.
	6:10pm listener james from westwood: Biggest and fastest way Musk could've helped: fund the damn rescue. Would've been a rounding error. Not everything has to be some branding exercise.
	6:10pm melinda: What a colossal asshole!
	6:11pm dale: musk hasn't created any new value or product - all he has done is fill his pockets with investor and government grant money.
	6:11pm listener james from westwood: White-savior horse-puckey on Musk's part.
	6:12pm ultradamno: Maybe launch his sub into space to rescue his Tesla roadster?
	6:13pm chris: fail fast and often is really not a problem solving model for search and rescue
	🤖 6:13pm Bas NL: Let me guess, the cave now has full WiFi connection for sharing future strandings?
	6:15pm Zetti: Interesting article I recently stumbled upon.... medium.com...
	6:16pm Eugene R.: Because there is no great idea that cannot be improved by turning it into a game: Elon Musk's iPod Submarine Game https://imgur.com/gallery/mTzrTky
	6:18pm βrian: Eland Musk is antelope perfume.
	6:18pm northguineahills: Feck off! Social media hasn't made me into a jerk!!!!!
	6:18pm melinda: @ngh haha
	6:19pm melinda: I gotta post those reasons on Facebook!
	6:20pm northguineahills: I deleted my friendster account!
	6:20pm βrian: Why not eleven??
	6:22pm melinda: Norbert Weiner is a great name
	6:23pm Buffalo's Tom: On the fence, will ask Jeeves.
	6:24pm dale: without social media i would have no idea which of my old high school and college friends are actually assholes.
	6:24pm melinda: So true. Brittle argumentativeness.
	6:28pm northguineahills: The only dumbasses on my social media are related to me through blood, or said blood via marriage.
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: Data vampires! hey live forever on the blood of your data!
	6:32pm Buffalo's Tom: @dale, too true. I grew up in a conservative area, so to see how many of my high school acquaintances have calcified into cranky caricatures has been useful, albeit depressing.
	6:33pm ultradamno: Is it ironic Facebook's apology ad for (among other things) "data misuse" is wall to wall footage apparently appropriated from Facebook users?
	6:35pm ultradamno: ...but, then again, dancing in groups while singing into rolled-up newspapers is the Facebook spirit encapsulated (I guess)
	6:38pm βrian: If I delete my account, I'll have to first create one. I'm just not up to it.
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: You CAN still post on WFMU Listener Comment boards though.
	6:38pm Zetti: I've railed against FaceBoot since its inception
	6:41pm the cl@m digger: Is there any alternative to gmail besides a paid service?
	6:42pm Buffalo's Tom: So many of my friends use FB as the sole place they announce their events, parties, and whatnot. I find myself suspending my account and then logging in once a week or so to hurriedly see what's happening.
	6:43pm J.Cyborg: "I refuse to be a member of any group that will have me as a member" Groucho Marx
	6:43pm βrian: I pay for fastmail. It has worked fairly well.
	6:43pm Vanessa bikes: my idea is to post a delete date in the future, then post articles about why to delete Facebook while collecting contacts and pictures prior to actually deleting. but I am lazy and haven't done it yet.
	6:44pm listener james from westwood: Our host has an answer for the polka quip!
	6:45pm carrots: good one!
	6:45pm chris: <applause> that was wonderful. thanks, Mark and Jaron!
	6:45pm Sig: Good talk
	6:45pm TDK60: Mark, I haven't been able to be here much recently. Summer schedule much busier than winter.
	6:46pm mrdonutsu: When FB is nationalized, we will all be required to have an account. It's where we will get all our news, vote, etc.
	🤖 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: Other than my WFMU comments, I have no social media presence. I never saw the appeal.
	6:47pm David in London: Saw Lanier talking last month here in London, and haven't used either Google or Facebook since. It's been absolute bloody Heaven.
	6:48pm northguineahills: I've only used FB once a week since its inception.
	6:50pm JakeGould: Facebook is great! Without it I would have had to meet a lot of people I don’t want to during school reunions. Now I can just click “Like” and get on with life.
	6:51pm geezerette: Mark and all of you;thank you, thank you, thank you for the sanity! My husband just said,"I feel vindicated!".
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: I pay for my email, and have a domain with a catch-all, so I have an unlimited number of email addresses. I give each service their own version of "my email" or login, instead of a single address that can correlate to big data, and were any of those emails compromised, I would know exactly where the problem is. Many of my FB friends (and myself) are not there under their usual names, which is great.
	🤖 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: So in short, indeed it's soul sucking, but you can give it a straw-person's soul.
	6:52pm melinda: I'm not ready to delete my social media accounts for reasons that have been discussed here already, isolation due to chronic illness. I've made friends on fb I don't want to lose contact with. @Henry great idea.
	6:53pm Fredericks: Don't most commercial accounts require one to have a private account?
	6:53pm JakeGould: For whatever it’s worth, I think I liked delete my LinkedIn. I can’t think of anything less useful in 2018 for me.
	6:53pm TDK60: I don't have social media. I am on Gmail email though. Don't like the Google empire either.
	6:54pm melinda: I also want to keep up with local events.
	6:54pm Buffalo's Tom: I hope to see some WFMU shirts at the H.O.P.E. conference in NYC this weekend...
	6:57pm Buffalo's Tom: Yet another great show, Mark. Thank you!
	6:57pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm dale: this dick hyman is awful and great all at once!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Appreciate all your comments this evening. Have a great week.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: And geezerette thank you and please pass my thanks along to your husband as well!
	1:41pm Greg from ZONE 5: Tech-polka is the new way!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 16, 2018

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Conversations with creators and thinkers who are charting the way forward in a tech-saturated society. In our shift to a digital future, we need alternatives to Big Tech. Homepage: techtonic.fm

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July 16, 2018: Jaron Lanier, author, "Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now"

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This week: Jaron Lanier, author of Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now.

More info about Jaron at his website: JaronLanier.com.

Recent tech news:

• Facebook Is Still Abusing Your Privacy (The New Republic, July 11): "Despite promises from Mark Zuckerberg, the company's embrace of facial recognition technology suggests that it has no intentions of changing."

• Christopher Wylie, Cambridge Analytica whistleblower: "Just to sum up. 1) Facebook broke the law. 2) Cambridge Analytica broke the law. 3) Vote Leave broke the law. 4) LeaveEU broke the law. 5) Brexit and Trump were both won through breaking the law. 6) Facebook let it all happen and covered it up."

• Here's what Sergey Brin is wearing lately.

• What Elon Musk Should Learn From the Thailand Cave Rescue (Zeynep Tufekci in the NYT, July 14), a response to solutionism: "The Silicon Valley model for doing things is a mix of can-do optimism, a faith that expertise in one domain can be transferred seamlessly to another and a preference for rapid, flashy, high-profile action. But what got the kids and their coach out of the cave was a different model: a slower, more methodical, more narrowly specialized approach to problems, one that has turned many risky enterprises into safe endeavors — commercial airline travel, for example, or rock climbing, both of which have extensive protocols and safety procedures that have taken years to develop."

Meantime, here's how to use tech in self-defense...

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Artist	Track	Album	Approx. start time
Jaron Lanier explains why you should delete your social media accounts right now.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Jaron Lanier "Interview with Jaron Lanier"		0:16:38 (Pop-up)
	Your calls and comments 201-209-9368 "Your calls and comments 201-209-9368"		0:41:49 (Pop-up)
Dick Hyman	Give It Up Or Turn It Loose	The Age of Electronicus	0:55:03 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hello Mark and fellow Techtoneatniks!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Jaronfest!
	6:02pm geezerette: Yippie!
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark and Techtonicas! Ohw yes, the Jaron Lanier episode!
	6:02pm chris: Faust into Lanier. FMU DJs are the bestest. hi, folks.
	6:04pm listener james from westwood: Howdy, Mark and all!
	6:04pm queems: i'm getting closer to deleting my instagram
	6:05pm listener james from westwood: I was happy to see Elon Musk get a big, de-deifying, un-omniscient-ing smack in the face this week.
	6:05pm queems: @james SAME
	6:05pm Nanker de Tucson: I deleted my Facebook account in late 2009 , but kept a "burner" or anonymous Twitt account
	6:05pm melinda: Hi Techtons
	6:06pm RomanDogBird: zuck suckz
	6:06pm mrdonutsu: So when are we going to start discussing what happens when our current regime decides to nationalize the key players in our Tech industry (Goog, FB, etc.)? I'm envisioning it being rolled out both to "protect" us from the excesses of big tech that have been discussed here, and also framed as a means to protect "National Security".
	6:06pm melinda: What was that James?
	🤖 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and the techtonique! So great there's a TV commercial airing these days about the joy and convenience about accessing one's phone via facial recognition.
	6:08pm Michael 98145: where's Micah ?!? :)
	🤖 6:08pm Folsom: @melinda they were saying that the elon sub was too big and wouldn't work in the caves and elon doubled down on how important the sub was
	6:09pm listener james from westwood: I mean, was he imagining some sort of Fantastic Voyage shrinky-dink here?!
	6:09pm dale: i hope that the coach at least get's a demotion to assistant coach.
	🤖 6:09pm Folsom: @melinda then elon called the guy saying the sub was worthless a pedo since he was in thailand he was obviously looking for underage sex
	6:10pm Zetti: I still sport a Sony cassette walkman.... use it while gardening.
	6:10pm listener james from westwood: Biggest and fastest way Musk could've helped: fund the damn rescue. Would've been a rounding error. Not everything has to be some branding exercise.
	6:10pm melinda: What a colossal asshole!
	6:11pm dale: musk hasn't created any new value or product - all he has done is fill his pockets with investor and government grant money.
	6:11pm listener james from westwood: White-savior horse-puckey on Musk's part.
	6:12pm ultradamno: Maybe launch his sub into space to rescue his Tesla roadster?
	6:13pm chris: fail fast and often is really not a problem solving model for search and rescue
	🤖 6:13pm Bas NL: Let me guess, the cave now has full WiFi connection for sharing future strandings?
	6:15pm Zetti: Interesting article I recently stumbled upon.... medium.com...
	6:16pm Eugene R.: Because there is no great idea that cannot be improved by turning it into a game: Elon Musk's iPod Submarine Game https://imgur.com/gallery/mTzrTky
	6:18pm βrian: Eland Musk is antelope perfume.
	6:18pm northguineahills: Feck off! Social media hasn't made me into a jerk!!!!!
	6:18pm melinda: @ngh haha
	6:19pm melinda: I gotta post those reasons on Facebook!
	6:20pm northguineahills: I deleted my friendster account!
	6:20pm βrian: Why not eleven??
	6:22pm melinda: Norbert Weiner is a great name
	6:23pm Buffalo's Tom: On the fence, will ask Jeeves.
	6:24pm dale: without social media i would have no idea which of my old high school and college friends are actually assholes.
	6:24pm melinda: So true. Brittle argumentativeness.
	6:28pm northguineahills: The only dumbasses on my social media are related to me through blood, or said blood via marriage.
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: Data vampires! hey live forever on the blood of your data!
	6:32pm Buffalo's Tom: @dale, too true. I grew up in a conservative area, so to see how many of my high school acquaintances have calcified into cranky caricatures has been useful, albeit depressing.
	6:33pm ultradamno: Is it ironic Facebook's apology ad for (among other things) "data misuse" is wall to wall footage apparently appropriated from Facebook users?
	6:35pm ultradamno: ...but, then again, dancing in groups while singing into rolled-up newspapers is the Facebook spirit encapsulated (I guess)
	6:38pm βrian: If I delete my account, I'll have to first create one. I'm just not up to it.
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: You CAN still post on WFMU Listener Comment boards though.
	6:38pm Zetti: I've railed against FaceBoot since its inception
	6:41pm the cl@m digger: Is there any alternative to gmail besides a paid service?
	6:42pm Buffalo's Tom: So many of my friends use FB as the sole place they announce their events, parties, and whatnot. I find myself suspending my account and then logging in once a week or so to hurriedly see what's happening.
	6:43pm J.Cyborg: "I refuse to be a member of any group that will have me as a member" Groucho Marx
	6:43pm βrian: I pay for fastmail. It has worked fairly well.
	6:43pm Vanessa bikes: my idea is to post a delete date in the future, then post articles about why to delete Facebook while collecting contacts and pictures prior to actually deleting. but I am lazy and haven't done it yet.
	6:44pm listener james from westwood: Our host has an answer for the polka quip!
	6:45pm carrots: good one!
	6:45pm chris: <applause> that was wonderful. thanks, Mark and Jaron!
	6:45pm Sig: Good talk
	6:45pm TDK60: Mark, I haven't been able to be here much recently. Summer schedule much busier than winter.
	6:46pm mrdonutsu: When FB is nationalized, we will all be required to have an account. It's where we will get all our news, vote, etc.
	🤖 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: Other than my WFMU comments, I have no social media presence. I never saw the appeal.
	6:47pm David in London: Saw Lanier talking last month here in London, and haven't used either Google or Facebook since. It's been absolute bloody Heaven.
	6:48pm northguineahills: I've only used FB once a week since its inception.
	6:50pm JakeGould: Facebook is great! Without it I would have had to meet a lot of people I don’t want to during school reunions. Now I can just click “Like” and get on with life.
	6:51pm geezerette: Mark and all of you;thank you, thank you, thank you for the sanity! My husband just said,"I feel vindicated!".
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: I pay for my email, and have a domain with a catch-all, so I have an unlimited number of email addresses. I give each service their own version of "my email" or login, instead of a single address that can correlate to big data, and were any of those emails compromised, I would know exactly where the problem is. Many of my FB friends (and myself) are not there under their usual names, which is great.
	🤖 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: So in short, indeed it's soul sucking, but you can give it a straw-person's soul.
	6:52pm melinda: I'm not ready to delete my social media accounts for reasons that have been discussed here already, isolation due to chronic illness. I've made friends on fb I don't want to lose contact with. @Henry great idea.
	6:53pm Fredericks: Don't most commercial accounts require one to have a private account?
	6:53pm JakeGould: For whatever it’s worth, I think I liked delete my LinkedIn. I can’t think of anything less useful in 2018 for me.
	6:53pm TDK60: I don't have social media. I am on Gmail email though. Don't like the Google empire either.
	6:54pm melinda: I also want to keep up with local events.
	6:54pm Buffalo's Tom: I hope to see some WFMU shirts at the H.O.P.E. conference in NYC this weekend...
	6:57pm Buffalo's Tom: Yet another great show, Mark. Thank you!
	6:57pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm dale: this dick hyman is awful and great all at once!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Appreciate all your comments this evening. Have a great week.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: And geezerette thank you and please pass my thanks along to your husband as well!
	1:41pm Greg from ZONE 5: Tech-polka is the new way!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 16, 2018

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