WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 14, 2018

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: Hi Mark!
	6:04pm ultradamno: Hello Mark and Techtoinc Plate Spinners!
	6:05pm βrian: I'm voting for Techtonite, where 'ite' has the sense of indicating a division of a body or organ: somite, dendrite, etc.
	6:05pm TDK60: Hello. Soupcans and wire?
	6:06pm βrian: Print-on-demand is even a thing for those long-tail items.
	6:06pm northguineahills: Teching!
	🤖 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, 'tonnies!
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Roger Anderson, 10/23/2017: www.wfmu.org...
	6:11pm Michael 98145: ... to be effective, the bot should say "like" more often ...
	6:12pm βrian: Like, hell no!
	6:13pm βrian: "3 pm? Okay, could you rapesh canoodle the skeeter-pants?"
	6:14pm TDK60: Is it like "Hal" in 2001 Space Odyssey? Sounding human and emotional: "Dave, take a stress pill..."
	6:14pm Michael 98145: on the flippedy flop
	6:14pm ultradamno: Patton Oswalt has chunk about this kind of thing in his most recent Netflix special (a robocall that interjects "let me adjust my earpiece")
	6:14pm Dean: Call me paranoid, but I'm now concerned that DJ Mark's occasional um's and ah's, his reflexive discussion of how humans, as opposed to automata, really sound, are evidence that this show is hosted by a robot!
	6:17pm βrian: Cross ref barometric pressure with arthritic distress level and feed that to an analgesic broker!
	6:17pm Jeff Moore: Pretty cool, huh?
	6:17pm Michael 98145: good job, Jeff
	6:17pm βrian: Our motto: "Do evil."
	6:18pm northguineahills: Wouldn't they need to know the local barometric pressure of the location to figure it out?
	6:19pm Jeff Moore: Wait, you're taking the word of Oracle? Emissaries of that evil tool Ellison?
	🤖 6:19pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yeah, if I'm sitting stationary and a low front is approaching, it might think I'm levitating.
	6:22pm TDK60: I'm still on Google's Gmail, would like to get off. // Another topic: Mark are you aware of the radio program "Off The Hook" on WBAI FM in NYC? They're from the 2600 magazine (and conference). They have similar views. It might be good to have one of them on the show. Just an idea.
	6:23pm βrian: And for the O.C.D folks: "Be the first to lick this post!"
	6:23pm chris: i came for the news and stayed for the reightous indignation. let 'em have it, Mark!
	6:23pm βrian: "Techtonites," I say.
	6:23pm northguineahills: βrian: Wow, I need to clean my screen, that was gross!
	6:23pm Warren in Australia: All ears.
	6:25pm northguineahills: My work still uses Google products, and still about 1 year from migrating off of it for cloud and other services. (started last Friday on said endeavor)
	6:26pm Michael 98145: yes, Outlook and Google are the outsource wonderland of choice in many places
	6:26pm βrian: U of M migrated to G-mail. I opted out of sheeeeit.
	6:27pm βrian: "that sheeeeit," I mean.
	6:27pm northguineahills: I keep my phone on my desk in my studio when I sleep (but, that's so I don't oversleep by turning off my alarm when I'm still half-asleep).
	6:28pm βrian: It's POP. Print on Paper.
	6:29pm TDK60: I have an email in my inbox from Google entitled "Improvements to Our Privacy Policy and Privacy Controls" -- haven't had time to open yet.
	6:29pm Dean: More righteous indignation here, but for some of us analog never went away.
	6:29pm northguineahills: I still read my analogue The Wire magazine (and I have a digital subscription as well) at pubs as I don't want to have beer spilled on my tablets, or get it sticky.
	6:29pm northguineahills: βrian: You must be a millennial, I heard they don't use top sheets.
	6:30pm medson: The downside to this growth are the small record labels I've been buying from all along are being bumped by major labels. Major delays that they really cant afford It sucks because the major labels are pressing things you can get in any $1 bin around the country.
	6:30pm Dean: Neither promise nor hope. It was hype, from the get-go.
	6:30pm βrian: I love top sheets.
	🤖 6:31pm Bas NL: In my workplace they are currently try to ban the use of paper books. You hand over your books and they put it through a scanner.. it is stopped now because of copyright issues. Phew! (Still got my books!)
	6:31pm Michael 98145: ah, yes, @TDK60, "Nothing is changing about your current settings or how your information is processed. Rather, we’ve improved the way we describe our practices and how we explain the options you have to update, manage, export, and delete your data."
	6:32pm Robert Tables: We were discussing at work how this Duplex tech could be abused. "Hey mom/dad I'm in trouble and need some money." Families would need to come up with code words to verify each others' identity over the phone.
	6:32pm βrian: @Bas NL: I hope that doesn't happen where I work. (An academic library.)
	6:32pm TDK60: In 1989, when many were ditching their LPs, I did no such thing! I was low on $ and didn't want to buy new CDs of the same music. Now, I have LPs and CDs and computer files. (Oh yeah, cassettes too.)
	🤖 6:34pm Bas NL: You never know @βrian.. I'm working at a university!
	6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Kevin Shields ('MyBloodyValentine') in depth on the Analog v. Digital Audio science...; In the beginning - they had no idea how best to present music Digitally to the masses... : www.npr.org...
	6:35pm Andy the painter: as i’m not so well versed in these issues, could someone please tell me: are the reasons to opt out of instagram pretty much the same as to opt out of google and/or facebook?
	6:35pm βrian: Now, what's linkdin?
	6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: A spectacular Model in my area wants to Friend me on faceborg! ...I so lucky...
	6:36pm northguineahills: The only thing I've ditched was my 8-track tapes (and I didn't start collecting them until 97, and I only abandoned them b/c my 8-track player was a part of a giant wardrobe.)
	6:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Re Linkedin: www.acast.com...
	6:37pm Dean: Over the weekend I read Langdon Winner's "Do Artifacts Have Politics?," published in Daedalus in 1980. Well worth reading even at this late date.
	6:38pm βrian: BTW, I heard a report of corporate headhunting consultant who bragged about her credentials of promoting diversity. She said candidates without a social media presence were ingnored.
	6:39pm mrdonutsu: I dunno man, everything I learned at school, I learned from a Wollensak...
	6:39pm Dean: In fact, that entire issue of Daedalus was devoted to "Modern Technology: Problem or Opportunity?" Plus ca change.
	6:39pm herb.nyc: So, can VR be made more analog? (I'm half serious)
	6:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...I think it was called 'Theater'...
	6:41pm βrian: C'mon now, Dean: Option + c = ç
	6:42pm Dean: I'm on a typewriter, βrian.
	6:43pm northguineahills: Thanks Mark and David! and Thanks Rev Rabbit for the Shields link!
	6:43pm βrian: Oh. Well, I love me some Olivetti.
	6:43pm northguineahills: Leaving work at a sane time!
	6:44pm βrian: Did Olivetti make AZERTYs?
	6:45pm Dean: Have also been reading, again, about Luddism. Such an abused epithet.
	6:45pm βrian: @NGH: Maybe avoid the curse of working at home. It can work, but ...
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @ngh: It's quite an interview. ...They're all damned Monopolies, man!
	6:46pm Michael 98145: actually the history of mp3 is quite interesting : _How Music Got Free_ by Stephen Witt.
	6:46pm βrian: We should aspire to "techtonite" being an epithet, too.
	6:47pm βrian: Techtonites and luddites, hand in hand ...
	6:48pm Jeff Moore: Robert Tables? Little Bobby Tables? xkcd.com...
	6:48pm Phil with the phone: Wanna brag about the obsolete analog technology you're stubbornly still using? Call in at 201-209-9368!
	6:49pm JeremyB: Great episode
	6:49pm Robert Tables: You got it Jeff Moore
	🤖 6:49pm Ken From Hyde Park: Also note that phones are always listening in case you summon them with the "Hey Google now" phrase.
	6:50pm βrian: Instagraham is for crackers.
	6:50pm Jeff Moore: "Analog"... as in "in Meatspace".
	6:50pm Dean: QED.
	6:51pm herb.nyc: From a sci fi angle, maybe parents of dead children want to have conversations w their children via Duplex. Google can help them.
	6:51pm Michael 98145: "Alexa" ...
	6:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes We Replican.
	6:54pm βrian: Whatever happened to Mr. Ed Tech?
	6:54pm TDK60: "Off the Hook" is on at 8 PM on Wednesdays on WBAI, 99.5 FM via olde fashioned broadcast. // I saw there's a new "Fahrenheit 451" film. Why? The old one was fine I thought at the time.
	6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: www.quotehd.com...
	6:55pm βrian: I'm reminded of the Codex Tech Support video.
	6:56pm Emily: I had Langdon Winner as a professor in college. Really great guy, and such an important professor to have at an engineering school.
	6:56pm Dean: That is very cool, Emily!
	6:57pm βrian: @RRabit: or "No, we Republicant."
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Ohh and we'll have no more wastebaskets in the offices! Train of thought: No paper, no waste!
	6:57pm Michael 98145: the monetary goal of AI is the elimination of 'human resources'
	6:58pm TDK60: Ken, can we get this show up to 90 minutes someday?
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: Hi folks - coming in really late here! But I am actually working up some kind of intelligence - that is, having original thoughts and thinking about them.
	6:58pm βrian: @Emily: Have you noticed a difference between European engineers and US?
	6:58pm Michael 98145: thanks again, Mark H
	🤖 6:59pm Bas NL: Types quickly Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Mayuko: This was super interesting from the beginning to the end. Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: In automotive technology news, it seems that cars with keyless ignitions are killing people who come home and leave their cars running in the garage. They forget to push the button to turn off the car.
	7:00pm TDK60: This show um, "rocks" Mark.
	7:00pm Dean: Oh, boy, have I got an automotive technology story, based on painful experience late last week. Will relate it some other time.
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Great comments. Have a good week & see you next time.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 14, 2018

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May 14, 2018: David Sax, author, "The Revenge of Analog"

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This week: David Sax, author of the new book The Revenge of Analog: Real Things and Why They Matter

Pointers to David's work:

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• Book site for "Revenge of Analog"

• Our Love Affair With Digital Is Over (NYTimes, Nov. 18, 2017): "Analog, although more cumbersome and costly than its digital equivalents, provides a richness of experience that is unparalleled with anything delivered through a screen. . . . Analog excels particularly well at encouraging human interaction, which is crucial to our physical and mental well-being."

Other tech news

• Google's New Voice Bot Sounds, Um, Maybe Too Real (NPR, May 9, by @laurelwamsley): "On the first day of Google's annual conference for developers, the company showed off a robot with a voice so convincingly human that it was able to call a salon and book a haircut – never revealing that it wasn't a real person making the call. CEO Sundar Pichai demonstrated the new AI technology on Tuesday at the Google I/O conference."

• Google insiders claim that "the final version of Duplex, the stunning AI bot that sounded so real it fooled humans, may be purposefully made less scary." (Business Insider)

• What Google is doing with your data, by John Rolfe in the Queensland Times (May 14): "Experts from Oracle claim Google is draining roughly one gigabyte of mobile data monthly from Android phone users' accounts as it snoops in the background, collecting information to help advertisers. . . . The information fed back to Google includes barometric pressure readings so it can work out, for example, which level of a shopping mall you are on. By combining this with your coordinates Google knows which shops you have visited. . . . Only turning off a phone prevents monitoring."

• How to Keep Google From Owning Your Online Life, by David Pierce in the WSJ (May 8). Interesting that the Wall Street Journal is offering alternatives to Google services.

• Oh, and Facebook's share price has recovered. "Facebook wiped out all of its losses following the Cambridge Analytica data scandal. Shares hit an intraday high of $185.99 on Thursday."

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Vinyl is back! And so are other analog technologies. Mark interviews David Sax, author of "The Revenge of Analog: Real Things and Why They Matter," to discuss why analog is making a resurgence over digital alternatives.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack	No label
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with David Sax, author of "The Revenge of Analog"			0:19:18 (Pop-up)
Kosmischer Läufer	Morgenröte "Morgenröte" by "Kosmischer Läufer"	The Secret Cosmic Music Of The East German Olympic Program 1972-1983 - Volume 2	Unknown Capability Recordings	0:40:48 (Pop-up)
	Your calls and comments 201-209-9368 "Your calls and comments 201-209-9368"			0:41:40 (Pop-up)
The Tweeds	I Need That Record "I Need That Record" by "The Tweeds"	Single	Autobahn	0:53:58 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: Hi Mark!
	6:04pm ultradamno: Hello Mark and Techtoinc Plate Spinners!
	6:05pm βrian: I'm voting for Techtonite, where 'ite' has the sense of indicating a division of a body or organ: somite, dendrite, etc.
	6:05pm TDK60: Hello. Soupcans and wire?
	6:06pm βrian: Print-on-demand is even a thing for those long-tail items.
	6:06pm northguineahills: Teching!
	🤖 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, 'tonnies!
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Roger Anderson, 10/23/2017: www.wfmu.org...
	6:11pm Michael 98145: ... to be effective, the bot should say "like" more often ...
	6:12pm βrian: Like, hell no!
	6:13pm βrian: "3 pm? Okay, could you rapesh canoodle the skeeter-pants?"
	6:14pm TDK60: Is it like "Hal" in 2001 Space Odyssey? Sounding human and emotional: "Dave, take a stress pill..."
	6:14pm Michael 98145: on the flippedy flop
	6:14pm ultradamno: Patton Oswalt has chunk about this kind of thing in his most recent Netflix special (a robocall that interjects "let me adjust my earpiece")
	6:14pm Dean: Call me paranoid, but I'm now concerned that DJ Mark's occasional um's and ah's, his reflexive discussion of how humans, as opposed to automata, really sound, are evidence that this show is hosted by a robot!
	6:17pm βrian: Cross ref barometric pressure with arthritic distress level and feed that to an analgesic broker!
	6:17pm Jeff Moore: Pretty cool, huh?
	6:17pm Michael 98145: good job, Jeff
	6:17pm βrian: Our motto: "Do evil."
	6:18pm northguineahills: Wouldn't they need to know the local barometric pressure of the location to figure it out?
	6:19pm Jeff Moore: Wait, you're taking the word of Oracle? Emissaries of that evil tool Ellison?
	🤖 6:19pm Ken From Hyde Park: Yeah, if I'm sitting stationary and a low front is approaching, it might think I'm levitating.
	6:22pm TDK60: I'm still on Google's Gmail, would like to get off. // Another topic: Mark are you aware of the radio program "Off The Hook" on WBAI FM in NYC? They're from the 2600 magazine (and conference). They have similar views. It might be good to have one of them on the show. Just an idea.
	6:23pm βrian: And for the O.C.D folks: "Be the first to lick this post!"
	6:23pm chris: i came for the news and stayed for the reightous indignation. let 'em have it, Mark!
	6:23pm βrian: "Techtonites," I say.
	6:23pm northguineahills: βrian: Wow, I need to clean my screen, that was gross!
	6:23pm Warren in Australia: All ears.
	6:25pm northguineahills: My work still uses Google products, and still about 1 year from migrating off of it for cloud and other services. (started last Friday on said endeavor)
	6:26pm Michael 98145: yes, Outlook and Google are the outsource wonderland of choice in many places
	6:26pm βrian: U of M migrated to G-mail. I opted out of sheeeeit.
	6:27pm βrian: "that sheeeeit," I mean.
	6:27pm northguineahills: I keep my phone on my desk in my studio when I sleep (but, that's so I don't oversleep by turning off my alarm when I'm still half-asleep).
	6:28pm βrian: It's POP. Print on Paper.
	6:29pm TDK60: I have an email in my inbox from Google entitled "Improvements to Our Privacy Policy and Privacy Controls" -- haven't had time to open yet.
	6:29pm Dean: More righteous indignation here, but for some of us analog never went away.
	6:29pm northguineahills: I still read my analogue The Wire magazine (and I have a digital subscription as well) at pubs as I don't want to have beer spilled on my tablets, or get it sticky.
	6:29pm northguineahills: βrian: You must be a millennial, I heard they don't use top sheets.
	6:30pm medson: The downside to this growth are the small record labels I've been buying from all along are being bumped by major labels. Major delays that they really cant afford It sucks because the major labels are pressing things you can get in any $1 bin around the country.
	6:30pm Dean: Neither promise nor hope. It was hype, from the get-go.
	6:30pm βrian: I love top sheets.
	🤖 6:31pm Bas NL: In my workplace they are currently try to ban the use of paper books. You hand over your books and they put it through a scanner.. it is stopped now because of copyright issues. Phew! (Still got my books!)
	6:31pm Michael 98145: ah, yes, @TDK60, "Nothing is changing about your current settings or how your information is processed. Rather, we’ve improved the way we describe our practices and how we explain the options you have to update, manage, export, and delete your data."
	6:32pm Robert Tables: We were discussing at work how this Duplex tech could be abused. "Hey mom/dad I'm in trouble and need some money." Families would need to come up with code words to verify each others' identity over the phone.
	6:32pm βrian: @Bas NL: I hope that doesn't happen where I work. (An academic library.)
	6:32pm TDK60: In 1989, when many were ditching their LPs, I did no such thing! I was low on $ and didn't want to buy new CDs of the same music. Now, I have LPs and CDs and computer files. (Oh yeah, cassettes too.)
	🤖 6:34pm Bas NL: You never know @βrian.. I'm working at a university!
	6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Kevin Shields ('MyBloodyValentine') in depth on the Analog v. Digital Audio science...; In the beginning - they had no idea how best to present music Digitally to the masses... : www.npr.org...
	6:35pm Andy the painter: as i’m not so well versed in these issues, could someone please tell me: are the reasons to opt out of instagram pretty much the same as to opt out of google and/or facebook?
	6:35pm βrian: Now, what's linkdin?
	6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: A spectacular Model in my area wants to Friend me on faceborg! ...I so lucky...
	6:36pm northguineahills: The only thing I've ditched was my 8-track tapes (and I didn't start collecting them until 97, and I only abandoned them b/c my 8-track player was a part of a giant wardrobe.)
	6:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Re Linkedin: www.acast.com...
	6:37pm Dean: Over the weekend I read Langdon Winner's "Do Artifacts Have Politics?," published in Daedalus in 1980. Well worth reading even at this late date.
	6:38pm βrian: BTW, I heard a report of corporate headhunting consultant who bragged about her credentials of promoting diversity. She said candidates without a social media presence were ingnored.
	6:39pm mrdonutsu: I dunno man, everything I learned at school, I learned from a Wollensak...
	6:39pm Dean: In fact, that entire issue of Daedalus was devoted to "Modern Technology: Problem or Opportunity?" Plus ca change.
	6:39pm herb.nyc: So, can VR be made more analog? (I'm half serious)
	6:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...I think it was called 'Theater'...
	6:41pm βrian: C'mon now, Dean: Option + c = ç
	6:42pm Dean: I'm on a typewriter, βrian.
	6:43pm northguineahills: Thanks Mark and David! and Thanks Rev Rabbit for the Shields link!
	6:43pm βrian: Oh. Well, I love me some Olivetti.
	6:43pm northguineahills: Leaving work at a sane time!
	6:44pm βrian: Did Olivetti make AZERTYs?
	6:45pm Dean: Have also been reading, again, about Luddism. Such an abused epithet.
	6:45pm βrian: @NGH: Maybe avoid the curse of working at home. It can work, but ...
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @ngh: It's quite an interview. ...They're all damned Monopolies, man!
	6:46pm Michael 98145: actually the history of mp3 is quite interesting : _How Music Got Free_ by Stephen Witt.
	6:46pm βrian: We should aspire to "techtonite" being an epithet, too.
	6:47pm βrian: Techtonites and luddites, hand in hand ...
	6:48pm Jeff Moore: Robert Tables? Little Bobby Tables? xkcd.com...
	6:48pm Phil with the phone: Wanna brag about the obsolete analog technology you're stubbornly still using? Call in at 201-209-9368!
	6:49pm JeremyB: Great episode
	6:49pm Robert Tables: You got it Jeff Moore
	🤖 6:49pm Ken From Hyde Park: Also note that phones are always listening in case you summon them with the "Hey Google now" phrase.
	6:50pm βrian: Instagraham is for crackers.
	6:50pm Jeff Moore: "Analog"... as in "in Meatspace".
	6:50pm Dean: QED.
	6:51pm herb.nyc: From a sci fi angle, maybe parents of dead children want to have conversations w their children via Duplex. Google can help them.
	6:51pm Michael 98145: "Alexa" ...
	6:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes We Replican.
	6:54pm βrian: Whatever happened to Mr. Ed Tech?
	6:54pm TDK60: "Off the Hook" is on at 8 PM on Wednesdays on WBAI, 99.5 FM via olde fashioned broadcast. // I saw there's a new "Fahrenheit 451" film. Why? The old one was fine I thought at the time.
	6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: www.quotehd.com...
	6:55pm βrian: I'm reminded of the Codex Tech Support video.
	6:56pm Emily: I had Langdon Winner as a professor in college. Really great guy, and such an important professor to have at an engineering school.
	6:56pm Dean: That is very cool, Emily!
	6:57pm βrian: @RRabit: or "No, we Republicant."
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Ohh and we'll have no more wastebaskets in the offices! Train of thought: No paper, no waste!
	6:57pm Michael 98145: the monetary goal of AI is the elimination of 'human resources'
	6:58pm TDK60: Ken, can we get this show up to 90 minutes someday?
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: Hi folks - coming in really late here! But I am actually working up some kind of intelligence - that is, having original thoughts and thinking about them.
	6:58pm βrian: @Emily: Have you noticed a difference between European engineers and US?
	6:58pm Michael 98145: thanks again, Mark H
	🤖 6:59pm Bas NL: Types quickly Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Mayuko: This was super interesting from the beginning to the end. Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: In automotive technology news, it seems that cars with keyless ignitions are killing people who come home and leave their cars running in the garage. They forget to push the button to turn off the car.
	7:00pm TDK60: This show um, "rocks" Mark.
	7:00pm Dean: Oh, boy, have I got an automotive technology story, based on painful experience late last week. Will relate it some other time.
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Great comments. Have a good week & see you next time.

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