WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 4, 2017

Listener comments!
	6:02pm Ricky: Hey, happy to be here.
	6:04pm melinda: Hello techtons
	6:06pm Mark Hurst: Hi Ricky, hi Melinda!
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: I can't stop listening to this show.
	6:08pm Mark Hurst: Happy you're here, Webhamster Henry
	6:08pm northguineahills: Webhamster Henry, you can always stop the loop (remember?)
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: The suckiness of other people's software makes me write my own.
	🤖 6:12pm Ken From Hyde Park: Software that's habit forming reminds me of South Park's "Freemium Isn't Free" episode from a couple years ago.
	6:13pm geezerette: Yep, we're all addicted to WFMU and the habit forming comment stream.
	🤖 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: I thought the first rule of drug dealing is "He gives the kids free samples because he knows full well that today's young innocent faces will be tomorrow's clientele" -- Prof. Tom Lehrer
	6:15pm northguineahills: @geezerette: I can stop any time!
	6:18pm geezerette: Oh, me too!...but I always come back...:)
	6:19pm melinda: I always come back too.
	6:19pm Fredericks: Free-basing heroin?
	6:19pm sibeliuss: who is this idiot? Everybody is fucking addicted to FB, just look around
	🤖 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: "Sure I can give up smoking, I've done it hundreds of times" -- numerous wags
	6:20pm sibeliuss: moron
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: Three's a way out: get addicted to Google Plus. The methadone of social media.
	6:21pm Carmichael: I'm not addicted to FB. Rarely even look at it.
	6:21pm melinda: Facebook is habit-forming even without the app.
	6:22pm northguineahills: I'm on FB maybe every 7-10 days, and only use at my home laptop (not a work or my phone).
	6:22pm Simon R.: @sibeliuss - Can you call in to debate your side of this? I'm not a Facebook user. No idea what it's all about.
	6:22pm Fuzzy: @sibelius: I concur.
	6:22pm northguineahills: laughter OL, Webhamster Henry!
	6:24pm sibeliuss: It was a glorious day when I deleted my FB account
	6:25pm sibeliuss: But to say that this is "just new technology" completely ignores collected metric data that deliberately feeds unconscious urges
	6:25pm sufferwords: this interviewee is clueless- stick to numbers and code and let people with a modicum of empathy parse the threat of the digital age
	6:26pm northguineahills: I've never noticed the FB news feed.
	6:27pm sibeliuss: And he seems to also be unable to distinguish between his own lived experience and other peoples... classic narcissist....... sorry for getting all psychological here but come on
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: If you are sick of Trump news, you can listen to Clay Pigeon.
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: I thought the answer is Silicone.
	🤖 6:28pm Bas NL: Whenever it's referred to as a 'product' then i know i have no use for it...
	6:29pm coelacanth∅: sibeliuss, you're correct. this guy's selfish and short-sighted.
	🤖 6:29pm Ken From Hyde Park: @Bas - In the ice cream freezer at the grocery store, I saw something with a label like "Milk-based frozen dessert product." No thanks!
	6:30pm geezerette: Most technologies are neutral, what matters is who deploys them and why.
	🤖 6:30pm Webhamster Henry: Yeah! Medical care and education are real cheap due to technology!
	6:31pm coelacanth∅: ...and self-driving cars are a good thing? somebody's an idiot.
	🤖 6:31pm Bas NL: @KenfHP: Sounds like a detergent.. :)
	6:31pm geezerette: His arguments are specious and far too glib. Arrogant as well.
	6:32pm sibeliuss: Why does he keep getting all defensive with his "i don't care about fb, i dont care about twitter"? Hmmm
	6:32pm sibeliuss: Mentioned at least ten times now!
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Can we help you -- or can we sell you more of what you are addicted to?
	6:34pm northguineahills: Did I hear something about cake???
	🤖 6:34pm Ken From Hyde Park: More about today's guest - www.nirandfar.com
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: #blamethevictim
	6:35pm Krys O.: I am so glad to hear this guest and I agree with his perspective. Thanks for featuring it.
	6:35pm foofs: This is like the radio stations on GTA. I keep expecting Laszlo to come on.
	6:35pm sibeliuss: lol northguineahills
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: The cake is a lie.
	6:37pm coelacanth∅: ...not that i don't agree with anything he says. -but i don't use a pocket computer, so...facadebook newsfeed?
	6:38pm geezerette: Except that "things" are not getting "better"; they're becoming different. Our National Parks are being handed over yo extractive industries. I've seen the results of strip-mining.
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: FB Newsfeed is not about News, it's the firehose of posts from whomever you are following mixed with targeted ads.If you follow news sources, you'll see their posts though.
	6:40pm Jeff Moore: knowyourmeme.com...
	6:40pm coelacanth∅: or, to put it another way, g, the planet is destine to become inhabitable, fairly soon, as a result of greed and short-sightedness.
	🤖 6:41pm Ken From Hyde Park: @geezerette - I'm highly dismayed, but not surprised, by the news from Utah today. Occupy Escalante!
	🤖 6:42pm Folsom: I worked with a guy that went to work for Ballys. Back when they put out tokens they would tune the basket to make the loudest noise so it is obvious someone won to keep you playing.
	6:43pm coelacanth∅: i do get emails about about fb "friends" activity. that's the bulk of my contact with it. if it went beyond that the simple and logical solution is to not have a fb account.
	🤖 6:45pm Webhamster Henry: I noticed that in the good old days of computer gaming - via floppy disks that took a while to read - when the game was over, it would immediately jump to the PLAY AGAIN screen without needing to re-seek to the beginning of the disc.
	6:46pm Phil with the phone: Hey guys we're having some problems with the phone tonight :/ post your comments here though!
	6:46pm geezerette: Fist bump, Coel. Ken FHP, I agree.
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: in re:elf surveillance: I guess a good ol' crucifix doesn't work so well.
	6:46pm rw: Those things are fake?? My kids installed one in my room.
	6:47pm ultradamno: Way to make the 'elf on a shelf' concept creepier.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: Cuing Irwin's version of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town"
	🤖 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: I'm guessing the scam is that the elf cam actually works and sends images back to headquarters.
	6:48pm Mark Hurst: Here's the AirBNB story on Twitter - twitter.com...
	6:49pm geezerette: Folsom,analogy to gaming industry is apt.
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: My air B&B running pal has an internet camera, but outside the door so he can scurry home when the guests arrive, which is very useful!
	6:51pm coelacanth∅: i'd have fun with that camera; then destroy it...AND i'd sue their ass.
	6:51pm JakeGould: This thing? www.amazon.com...
	🤖 6:52pm Ken From Hyde Park: Make sure the phone switch is in "mono."
	6:53pm JakeGould: • Encourage good behaviour this Christmas from your little ones! • Elfie is watching and reporting to Santa good or bad behaviour! • Features a red flashing light that makes it all that more real. • Sure to keep the children in line. • Requires: 2 x AA Batteries (not included)
	🤖 6:53pm cosmic matrix: I like this one the best --> www.amazon.com...
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: @mark yep: it's addictive framing and Nir is probably not even conscious of it himself.
	6:54pm JakeGould: The Elf on the box says, “Hey! I’m watching you.” images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com...
	🤖 6:56pm Folsom: Daniel Blumin is part of the Bluminati!
	6:56pm mr_mike: Thanks for bringing on your guest. I disagree with him. Thank you Web Henry
	🤖 6:57pm Folsom: Techions? Tech and Tonics?
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: Technovites
	6:57pm Gio the Engineer: Help DJ Markus Aurelius Hurst assemble the techtonic resistance
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: i like being called a techton as much as i like being called "a motorist" (as opposed to "a person")
	6:57pm melinda: @Folsom I like Bluminauts too
	6:57pm Carmichael: Proud to be Luddite!
	6:57pm geezerette: Ha ha, "addicts".
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: Oh man, Polkal Fry coming up!
	6:58pm melinda: @coel sorry
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: (Folsom i collect royalties on that. thank you)
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: I, an old tech head, am VERY wary of the "Tech solution"
	6:58pm geezerette: mmmmm...kielbasa...
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Tech-mooers
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: Techtons is OK, Techtones would be good if you played more music.
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: melinda, just kidding!
	6:59pm geezerette: Ha! Ken! :D
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Sorry for the phone issues. Appreciate you keeping the discussion going here. Tech-mooers, good one :)
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Hear ya next week! Dzienkuje!
	7:00pm geezerette: Melinda, "Techtons" is brilliant!
	🤖 7:00pm Bas NL: Techtons +1
	7:01pm Chris J: G'night, Shifters!
	7:03pm geezerette: Hey Bas!
	🤖 7:03pm Bas NL: Hi geezerette!
	🤖 7:04pm Webhamster Henry: Music for the Wojtechtonics!
	7:07pm ultradamno: Somebody running late today?
	7:10pm melinda: @geeze thanks!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 4, 2017

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Mon. Nov 4th, 6pm - 7pm: Dystopia update (More info...)
Chatbots are now running rampant - appearing in new-model cars - as we're being told to "be nice to chatbots." Stores are using "digital price tags," which rely on surveillance to set the price to the company's liking. Meantime, Google's AI is giving wrong answers, in some cases, almost half the time. All these and more in Mark's dystopia update.
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December 4, 2017: Nir Eyal, author of "Hooked," on building habit-forming apps

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Listener comments!
	6:02pm Ricky: Hey, happy to be here.
	6:04pm melinda: Hello techtons
	6:06pm Mark Hurst: Hi Ricky, hi Melinda!
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: I can't stop listening to this show.
	6:08pm Mark Hurst: Happy you're here, Webhamster Henry
	6:08pm northguineahills: Webhamster Henry, you can always stop the loop (remember?)
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: The suckiness of other people's software makes me write my own.
	🤖 6:12pm Ken From Hyde Park: Software that's habit forming reminds me of South Park's "Freemium Isn't Free" episode from a couple years ago.
	6:13pm geezerette: Yep, we're all addicted to WFMU and the habit forming comment stream.
	🤖 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: I thought the first rule of drug dealing is "He gives the kids free samples because he knows full well that today's young innocent faces will be tomorrow's clientele" -- Prof. Tom Lehrer
	6:15pm northguineahills: @geezerette: I can stop any time!
	6:18pm geezerette: Oh, me too!...but I always come back...:)
	6:19pm melinda: I always come back too.
	6:19pm Fredericks: Free-basing heroin?
	6:19pm sibeliuss: who is this idiot? Everybody is fucking addicted to FB, just look around
	🤖 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: "Sure I can give up smoking, I've done it hundreds of times" -- numerous wags
	6:20pm sibeliuss: moron
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: Three's a way out: get addicted to Google Plus. The methadone of social media.
	6:21pm Carmichael: I'm not addicted to FB. Rarely even look at it.
	6:21pm melinda: Facebook is habit-forming even without the app.
	6:22pm northguineahills: I'm on FB maybe every 7-10 days, and only use at my home laptop (not a work or my phone).
	6:22pm Simon R.: @sibeliuss - Can you call in to debate your side of this? I'm not a Facebook user. No idea what it's all about.
	6:22pm Fuzzy: @sibelius: I concur.
	6:22pm northguineahills: laughter OL, Webhamster Henry!
	6:24pm sibeliuss: It was a glorious day when I deleted my FB account
	6:25pm sibeliuss: But to say that this is "just new technology" completely ignores collected metric data that deliberately feeds unconscious urges
	6:25pm sufferwords: this interviewee is clueless- stick to numbers and code and let people with a modicum of empathy parse the threat of the digital age
	6:26pm northguineahills: I've never noticed the FB news feed.
	6:27pm sibeliuss: And he seems to also be unable to distinguish between his own lived experience and other peoples... classic narcissist....... sorry for getting all psychological here but come on
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: If you are sick of Trump news, you can listen to Clay Pigeon.
	🤖 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: I thought the answer is Silicone.
	🤖 6:28pm Bas NL: Whenever it's referred to as a 'product' then i know i have no use for it...
	6:29pm coelacanth∅: sibeliuss, you're correct. this guy's selfish and short-sighted.
	🤖 6:29pm Ken From Hyde Park: @Bas - In the ice cream freezer at the grocery store, I saw something with a label like "Milk-based frozen dessert product." No thanks!
	6:30pm geezerette: Most technologies are neutral, what matters is who deploys them and why.
	🤖 6:30pm Webhamster Henry: Yeah! Medical care and education are real cheap due to technology!
	6:31pm coelacanth∅: ...and self-driving cars are a good thing? somebody's an idiot.
	🤖 6:31pm Bas NL: @KenfHP: Sounds like a detergent.. :)
	6:31pm geezerette: His arguments are specious and far too glib. Arrogant as well.
	6:32pm sibeliuss: Why does he keep getting all defensive with his "i don't care about fb, i dont care about twitter"? Hmmm
	6:32pm sibeliuss: Mentioned at least ten times now!
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Can we help you -- or can we sell you more of what you are addicted to?
	6:34pm northguineahills: Did I hear something about cake???
	🤖 6:34pm Ken From Hyde Park: More about today's guest - www.nirandfar.com
	🤖 6:34pm Webhamster Henry: #blamethevictim
	6:35pm Krys O.: I am so glad to hear this guest and I agree with his perspective. Thanks for featuring it.
	6:35pm foofs: This is like the radio stations on GTA. I keep expecting Laszlo to come on.
	6:35pm sibeliuss: lol northguineahills
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: The cake is a lie.
	6:37pm coelacanth∅: ...not that i don't agree with anything he says. -but i don't use a pocket computer, so...facadebook newsfeed?
	6:38pm geezerette: Except that "things" are not getting "better"; they're becoming different. Our National Parks are being handed over yo extractive industries. I've seen the results of strip-mining.
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: FB Newsfeed is not about News, it's the firehose of posts from whomever you are following mixed with targeted ads.If you follow news sources, you'll see their posts though.
	6:40pm Jeff Moore: knowyourmeme.com...
	6:40pm coelacanth∅: or, to put it another way, g, the planet is destine to become inhabitable, fairly soon, as a result of greed and short-sightedness.
	🤖 6:41pm Ken From Hyde Park: @geezerette - I'm highly dismayed, but not surprised, by the news from Utah today. Occupy Escalante!
	🤖 6:42pm Folsom: I worked with a guy that went to work for Ballys. Back when they put out tokens they would tune the basket to make the loudest noise so it is obvious someone won to keep you playing.
	6:43pm coelacanth∅: i do get emails about about fb "friends" activity. that's the bulk of my contact with it. if it went beyond that the simple and logical solution is to not have a fb account.
	🤖 6:45pm Webhamster Henry: I noticed that in the good old days of computer gaming - via floppy disks that took a while to read - when the game was over, it would immediately jump to the PLAY AGAIN screen without needing to re-seek to the beginning of the disc.
	6:46pm Phil with the phone: Hey guys we're having some problems with the phone tonight :/ post your comments here though!
	6:46pm geezerette: Fist bump, Coel. Ken FHP, I agree.
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: in re:elf surveillance: I guess a good ol' crucifix doesn't work so well.
	6:46pm rw: Those things are fake?? My kids installed one in my room.
	6:47pm ultradamno: Way to make the 'elf on a shelf' concept creepier.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: Cuing Irwin's version of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town"
	🤖 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: I'm guessing the scam is that the elf cam actually works and sends images back to headquarters.
	6:48pm Mark Hurst: Here's the AirBNB story on Twitter - twitter.com...
	6:49pm geezerette: Folsom,analogy to gaming industry is apt.
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: My air B&B running pal has an internet camera, but outside the door so he can scurry home when the guests arrive, which is very useful!
	6:51pm coelacanth∅: i'd have fun with that camera; then destroy it...AND i'd sue their ass.
	6:51pm JakeGould: This thing? www.amazon.com...
	🤖 6:52pm Ken From Hyde Park: Make sure the phone switch is in "mono."
	6:53pm JakeGould: • Encourage good behaviour this Christmas from your little ones! • Elfie is watching and reporting to Santa good or bad behaviour! • Features a red flashing light that makes it all that more real. • Sure to keep the children in line. • Requires: 2 x AA Batteries (not included)
	🤖 6:53pm cosmic matrix: I like this one the best --> www.amazon.com...
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: @mark yep: it's addictive framing and Nir is probably not even conscious of it himself.
	6:54pm JakeGould: The Elf on the box says, “Hey! I’m watching you.” images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com...
	🤖 6:56pm Folsom: Daniel Blumin is part of the Bluminati!
	6:56pm mr_mike: Thanks for bringing on your guest. I disagree with him. Thank you Web Henry
	🤖 6:57pm Folsom: Techions? Tech and Tonics?
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: Technovites
	6:57pm Gio the Engineer: Help DJ Markus Aurelius Hurst assemble the techtonic resistance
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: i like being called a techton as much as i like being called "a motorist" (as opposed to "a person")
	6:57pm melinda: @Folsom I like Bluminauts too
	6:57pm Carmichael: Proud to be Luddite!
	6:57pm geezerette: Ha ha, "addicts".
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: Oh man, Polkal Fry coming up!
	6:58pm melinda: @coel sorry
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: (Folsom i collect royalties on that. thank you)
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: I, an old tech head, am VERY wary of the "Tech solution"
	6:58pm geezerette: mmmmm...kielbasa...
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Tech-mooers
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: Techtons is OK, Techtones would be good if you played more music.
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: melinda, just kidding!
	6:59pm geezerette: Ha! Ken! :D
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Sorry for the phone issues. Appreciate you keeping the discussion going here. Tech-mooers, good one :)
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Hear ya next week! Dzienkuje!
	7:00pm geezerette: Melinda, "Techtons" is brilliant!
	🤖 7:00pm Bas NL: Techtons +1
	7:01pm Chris J: G'night, Shifters!
	7:03pm geezerette: Hey Bas!
	🤖 7:03pm Bas NL: Hi geezerette!
	🤖 7:04pm Webhamster Henry: Music for the Wojtechtonics!
	7:07pm ultradamno: Somebody running late today?
	7:10pm melinda: @geeze thanks!

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