French Horn Fight Club: Ken's show

Listener comments!

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6:05am -Ken:

Morning everybody!

7:41am Listener Robert:

"A little traveling music, Sam" this morning in honor of today's obvious-from-the-GIFs theme? Interrupted journey? The road not taken? Up, up, and away with you?

7:55am FʶFʶ (:

Welcome back, Ken!

Glad to read you. Did you have a buena vida in Costa Rica?

Talking about CR I read in one Central American newspaper last week that police are searching for an unknown American man who bought 127 million pesos in toucanets in the black market.

Coincidentally 127 million pesos is equivalent to the marathon money WFMU raised just few weeks ago!

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8:16am -Ken:

Hello f0f0 and Robert - I had what I thought were three toucanets but it turned out they were really aracarias, so I was dragged from the plane and maimed. But I guess I kinda deserved it. Aracarias and Toucanets look really different.

8:25am Listener Robert:

So you playing something about a Louisville Slugger? Woo, woo, which doctor...gets tossed? Musical chairs, full contact version? Sittin' on the doc over the cargo bay, wasting everybody's time? He's got a ticket to ride, but we don't care?

8:25am Nick from Indy:

Good Morning

8:29am Planet Tyler:

Morning Ken and early birds

8:50am Bootsie:

I'm just here for the GIFs...

8:51am cory:

hi non-kens. welcome back ken, did you lick any frogs?

8:53am Bootsie:

United's new theme song: www.youtube.com...

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8:53am -Ken:

Did not lick any frogs but saw a TON of poison dart frogs

8:58am cory:

should've licked a frog

9:02am dale:

did the sloth ever take his dump?

9:02am sphere:

hello all

9:02am melinda:

Morgen Ken and everyone

9:02am thedunkel:

Good Morning Jungle Explorer Ken!

9:03am Sebastian:

what is this trickery, how is this playlist up since 6?

9:05am FʶFʶ (:

I am amazed how good Robert Wyatt's Spanish pronunciation is!!

9:06am Sebastian:

Chicano Batman is a superb bandname

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9:07am Ken From Hyde Park:

Hey, I think I located some action video of Ken on his surfing vacation in Costa Rica. Looking good! www.outsideonline.com...

9:07am People Like Us:

I love that Fight Club image

9:09am slowbear:

Ken

9:10am slowbear:

I love it

9:10am slowbear:

Can you tell clay he was great too

9:10am howard in nyc:

I can see you being dragged off and maimed, Ken, but did they leave the aracarias (aracariases?) on the plane?

9:11am sphere:

don't ask a sloth to leave a plane.

9:13am egal:

One or two (probably one) FMU DJs have been forcibly dragged away from the mic.

9:14am Bronwyn Bishop:

morning ken and everyone

egal, that sounds like an awfully low estimate

9:15am Nick S.:

Good morning, Ken and company.

9:16am pantz:

That doctor actually lives in Elizabethtown, just south of Louisville. His house has been surrounded by paparazzi all week, poor guy.

9:18am MD:

Good Morning all! I am Ready to Fly the Friendly Freeform Skies!

9:18am FʶFʶ (:

Mueran Hermanos' El Circulo is one hell of an epic song (and a take on the Brits). But that one just played wasn't El Circulo.

9:18am Sebastian:

that is some serious hippie noise

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9:19am -Ken:

What was it f0f0?

9:19am Roberto:

I recall Ken played this a lot when it came out. Great song, has a real late '60s vibe.

9:19am adrian in mpls:

Yay! Bobby Conn!

9:20am The Oscar:

Bobby Conn! I have mixed emotions about how many of my favorite Bush-era protest songs are suddenly relevant again.

9:22am FʶFʶ (:

Sorry, I don't know, Ken. I haven't heard the full album because I'm pretty sure it would be impossible to surpass the greatness of a song like El Circulo.

9:22am The Oscar:

Also yay Billy Nayer Show!

9:23am Sem Chumbo:

Hello, Ken, and all the chronically impatient. Out-patients, meh.

9:23am Roberto:

Rock and Roll Evacuation by Electric Six has also felt timely again lately.

9:25am Rafael:

AMERICAN ASTRONAUT!!!
What a great film!
So stoked to hear the title track on FMU :)

9:27am Rev. Turnip Druid:

[knocks timidly]
....is this the party...?

9:28am Undead83:

Hello crazy people ^^

9:28am Okasa:

Good morning Ken, Kensters, and Kenettes.

9:30am Sebastian:

we're not crazy people! CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY PEOPLE!

9:30am Cheri Pi:

gringo records, @ken

9:32am pocket vito:

I hope the United thing leads to legislation to protect passengers from being treated like that.

9:32am Roberto:

Vicki was fantastic, but yes, the poopyflute dearth must be addressed ASAP.

9:32am Nick S.:

Vikki was wonderful, as usual! Sorry, Ken, she could easily replace you. NEVER FORGET!

9:33am Okasa:

Wow, speaking of Sean Lennon, there is a movie on Netflix that I just watched called "A Monster in Paris". Not a great movie, but Sean voiced a character and sang a number of tunes that were very nice.

9:34am howard in nyc:

Somehow, I think I know how Ken will address the scheissflute absence

9:38am FʶFʶ (:

Last week's People Like Us's show was sensational! A shame I missed it live (alas no one told me!). As usual, very intricate and gorgeous music.

P.S. THE MUUUUUFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINSSSS!!!Another song that demonstrates Ken has perfect taste for instrumentals.By the way, PLU has perfect taste for instrumentals WITH lyrics.

9:39am Sebastian:

haaaahaha

9:40am Sebastian:

oh god, that picture....

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9:41am -Ken:

Yes, f0f0, for many years I played almost entirely instrumentals. Vocal music is a recent addition to my show. generally dont like most male vocals.

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9:41am Guido from Cologne:

One Moment:
I guess the official artist is Quincy Jones with the title track from "Soul Bossa Nova" and the soloist is Roland Kirk?

9:41am Steve Dub:

Bachelor Pad Space Music yeah

9:42am melinda:

I didn't know RRK was involved in Soul Bossa Nova.

9:45am Slim Pickins:

Ohhh hello there! Hope everyone is doin well this morning

9:45am pocket vito:

Doing great with these kickin' tunes!

9:46am Roberto:

Ken used to play Led Zeppelin minus the vocals.

9:47am bobdoesthings:

goodmorning

9:48am FʶFʶ (:

The one thing I love about most of the great instrumentals Ken plays is that they never tire me. There are tons of great songs with vocal music that Ken plays and I really love but after listening to them over the years most of tend to bore me. But with instrumentals songs this never happens! They always stay classic and fresh! Does this only happen to me?

I don't know if this happens to

9:49am museguy:

Wasnatch "French horning"

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9:51am -Ken:

Yes Museguy.. searched my image database for "horn" and that is unfortunately what I got.

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9:52am -Ken:

HEY! Note to any WFMU Djs on here.. did the Spotify password in the studio change or something last week?

9:52am cory:

unfortunately?

9:53am museguy:

A new one for me "oboeing"

9:53am pocket vito:

That fly the friendly skies picture is so goddamn good. Had to print it out and hang it in my office ASAP.

9:57am Okasa:

I was shocked that the "Irving Klaw Trio" track was NOT accompanied by a Betty gif. Did you do Ayahuasca in South America or something? What's wrong with you?!

9:58am FʶFʶ (:

My favourite part of the The Irving Klaw Trio is the typo. This is the only song that I can think of at the moment that has a typo in the lyrics. Singer sings "sangre en mis 'veginas', instead of "sangre en mis venas".

9:58am cthulhu:

NO!

10:01am fm Mike:

Thank you for the heart Station Manager Banana Fingers.

10:02am FʶFʶ (:

Warning ? From Monterrey? No way! There's an early 70s video from Warning on the youtubes (Why can't the Body Fl). Probably same name but different bands.

10:02am bobdoesthings:

www.youtube.com...

10:03am JakeGould:

Howler monkeys have Bluetooth?

10:03am mto:

Bottlenose DONKEYS! dumass!

10:03am pocket vito:

I heard 3 people got dragged off a plane this morning to make room for Chris Christie

10:03am FʶFʶ (:

Confirmed: Warning, the Mexican band, are three teenage girls.

10:04am josh:

The UK Daily Mail did a piece on the 'sordid' history of the Dr Dude too...

10:04am pocket vito:

Sounds like a classic bottlenose scheme

10:05am sphere:

Yep. Dolphins are cunning masterminds disguised as cute mammals.

10:07am Cecile:

What a horrible world we live in.

10:07am pocket vito:

I guess that flight attendant will think twice before she allows another delay like that

10:07am melinda:

Poor Dr. Dao. If I'd been one of the selected passengers I would not have fought the removers, but I think it takes someone standing their ground like that to bring attention to corporate ruthlessness.

10:08am fm Mike:

Lol wow.

10:08am Cecile:

Could you play some Tonetta, or Hiiiie by Alaska (you'll have to bleep one f-bomb, but it's pretty clean. For her.)

10:08am MD:

They Ain't nothing but a waitress in the Sky..

10:09am Cecile:

A lawyer friend of a friend says the flight was not overbooked. It was a scheduling error that could have easily been remedied, but they said overbooking so that the onus was on the passenger.

10:09am MD:

MOTORIN!!!

10:09am Cecile:

if it were me, I would have yelled "WORLDSTAR!" and demanded free air travel for life.

10:10am sphere:

"one child left to carry on"--what is all that about?

10:10am Cecile:

Hey, Laura Nyro cover.

10:10am Cecile:

sphere, reincarnation, or legacy.

10:10am bobdoesthings:

its times like these i'm happy i dont have tv and dont follow any news and am completely unaware of what is going on.... so some guy got kicked off a plane huh?

10:11am pocket vito:

Dragged kicking and screaming. Then he tried to get back on and they did it again. All so that some crewmembers could fly instead.

10:12am Cecile:

Yep. And according to some sources, they could have been very easily accommodated.

10:12am Passaic River Blues:

I had not heard of Christie's latest hypocrisy. Recall that his buddy and MTA consigliere, David Samson, admitted last year to accepting bribes from United and setting up what was basically a private route from Newark, NJ to a rural South Carolina airport near Samson's summer house. United has an almost complete monopoly on space and slots at Newark Airport, and was forced by the pre-Sessions DOJ to make moves to avoid pissing all over anti-trust laws.

ONLY 283 DAYS UNTIL CHRISTIE IS MERELY A SHITTY SPORTS COMMENTATOR & NOT A FAKE GOVERNOR.

www.nytimes.com...

www.justice.gov...

10:12am kevlicki:

In my early twenties I ended up camping in he jungle of Chiapas Mexico.
I woke up in the middle of the night to these terrifying dinosaur sounds filling the forest around the lake. Scared the shit out of me until the next morning when I saw the tiny monkeys that made the noise. Damn howler monkeys

10:12am Hope not Hate:

@josh the UK Daily Heil as always didn't fact check. The guy they wrote about was an entirely different Dr. I hope the real one sues them into oblivion.

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10:13am Guido from Cologne:

hahahahaha !!!

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10:13am JtotheK:

Hi Ken, hi everyone. - Question for Ken -- I very much enjoyed your program of 3 hours of 'Institutionalized' covers. Any chance of a 3 hour program of Clarence Carter 'Strokin' covers?

10:13am Cecile:

Also, what's deep about this song is that Laura Nyro wrote it as a teenager.

10:14am dale:

david slay-ton thomas!

10:14am Cecile:

JtotheK, I think that song is not covered, because, well, it's so gross you might catch something just singing it.

10:14am Sem Chumbo:

Well played, Ken!

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10:14am Webhamster Henry:

Nice smooth stretching there! almost as much fun as the Swing version of Every Breath You Take!

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10:17am JtotheK:

@cecile - ha!

10:18am βrian:

I'm here for the Ayahuasca Report?

10:19am FʶFʶ (:

3 hours of 'Strokin'"? Only it were live from Andy's Mastorbatoruim.

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10:19am Guido from Cologne:

Evil Dream:
rough egg breaking apart

10:22am Cecile:

Kahil El'Zabar is great.

10:23am βrian:

I'm guessing Oscar Munoz might be much improved by a 3-day Ayahuasca drip. Perhaps he could dredge up a soul.

10:26am FʶFʶ (:

Cecile,

Is that Alaska from Alaska and Dinarama/Fangoria?

10:26am Fern:

Respect for playing Kahil El Zabar. I lived in Chicago for a long time and always looked forward to his live gigs

10:27am JakeGould:

Anyone check out the food court at the new “Holocaust Center?”

10:27am Cecile:

No, it's drag queen Alaska Thunderfuck 5000. But your dad just calls her Alaska.

10:28am Cecile:

Fern, I saw him live a number of years back. Great show!

10:31am Fern:

Cecile. You're lucky. Since I've lived in NYC, I haven't seen him. His shows are so uplifting and joyful.

10:32am Vincent Nifigance:

I liked Alaska until she formed a triumvirate of bullies, and only abandoned it knowing she might be affecting her chances of being crowned.

10:33am FʶFʶ (:

Which Alaska, Vincent? The Alaska from Dinarama/Fangoria or the one from Thunderfuck 5000? I'm confused.

10:34am Cecile:

That's reality TV for you. She's a competitive queen. I still like her. Even after her meltdown on All Stars 2. Boy, I've been there.

Fofo, Thunderfuck 5000.

10:34am Passaic River Blues:

@Cecile: you should contact Mr. Marty McSorley to see if you can still get in on his Drag Race fantasy league (or perhaps for side bets). You would clean up.

10:35am Cecile:

PRB, I am in that game.
I am not cleaning up, but I was out of town. I did win big on week 2. I'm not making side bets yet because this is my first season and I'm still not 100% comfortable with the rules and shit.

10:36am Vincent Nifigance:

@FʶFʶ (: Alaska Thunderfuck on Drag Race. She and D-Tox and Roxy were called Rolaskatox and were very cliquey and condescending to eventual winner Jinkx Monsoon .

10:36am Cecile:

Now they are all friends. Touring for years at a time in a bus will do that for you.

10:37am Cecile:

I loved them all. I was really happy Jinkx won. She was on Blue Bloods and it was amazing.

10:38am FʶFʶ (:

Thanks, Cecile.

P.S. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!

Definitely not the band of three teenage girls from Monterrey. Unless, of course, the Daniela, the singer, has the cookie monster deep voice.

10:38am βrian:

Is that Darrin Stephens in the background there?

10:39am Cecile:

no, she has more like a whine like an air horn. Cuts through loud clubs very well. (got to see the broad last year.)

10:39am FʶFʶ (:

Warning's Label: Vertigo

10:39am bobdoesthings:

@Ken - according to discogs it's either Vertigo or Polydor for the label - www.discogs.com...

10:40am Passaic River Blues:

@Cecile: YOU WILL PREVAIL!

10:41am Cecile:

Well Charlie Hides better step her game, or the bitch is gone. It's free agent time next week.

10:42am Cecile:

Hopefully, she wakes up or I try to get Shea Coulee.

10:44am FʶFʶ (:

Floh and Guido are my favourite people from Cologne.

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10:44am Guido from Cologne:

The Dukes!

10:45am rw:

Wow. Guido! Nice!

10:45am GuidʶFrʶm Cologne:

The Dukes' label: Alcora ‎

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10:45am Guido from Cologne:

ALCORA Label

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10:46am Guido from Cologne:

img.discogs.com...

10:48am βrian:

The audio compressor or the air compressor?

10:52am Undead83:

Who allegededly mistreated the daughter

10:53am pocket vito:

If you wanted to get Andy onboard you would've needed to involve poop or farts in some way.

11:01am FʶFʶ (:

i couldn't understand the intricacies of the one million dollar idea. But I'm keen to learn. So how is WfMU going to make a profit from the cartel of listeners?

By the way, probably the guy/girl that filmed the viral video will make a million dollars via the youtube adverts.

11:03am Uncle Michael:

Oh, boy...Olga.

11:03am Michele:

Hey guys! It's been a while since we've heard Tonetta...

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11:04am Webhamster Henry:

Olga needs to be mashed up with Miserlou

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11:04am Webhamster Henry:

(There's no "Y" at the end of her name, BTW)

11:04am Michele:

Ken I think her label is Plexus Music

11:05am Lewis:

and where do we get olga CDs?

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11:05am Ken From Hyde Park:

Yay, Olga!

11:06am Michele:

order Olga here - plexusmusic.bandcamp.com...

11:08am Lewis:

@michele - thanks!

11:09am FʶFʶ (:

Happy birthday Ken and any other Olga fan!

Olga Podluzhnaya in Italy's Got Talent (march 2017)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNGOzSpKYnw

P.S. She speaks italian!

11:10am Listening Out There:

Who can forget Young-Holt Unlimited...

11:13am JakeGould:

Ben Carson was stuck in an elevator today!

11:14am Lewis:

go Ken!!

11:15am FʶFʶ (:

This set is the kind of music I imagine Ken will play in his show in his 70s.It has everything a baby boomer likes: Instrumentals, Glenn Miller, adult contemporary, covers of classics songs, World Music.

11:15am βrian:

Will Peter Wahlbeck be seeing a piece of this weeks cash pie?

11:16am Lewis:

this completely betrays the devastatingness of that movie...

11:17am Lewis:

whatever that means...

11:17am βrian:

Are there still remnants of Upsala College?

11:18am JakeGould:

“New Palestine High” had a good girls glee club.

11:19am planet tyler:

Those kids aren't old enough to watch Midnight Cowboy and see how Jon Voight turned out

11:19am JakeGould:

The ending of “Midnight Cowboy” still gets to me every time I see it. So sad.

11:20am pantz:

Amalgamated Records, @Ken

11:20am JP from KC:

Bastardizing the names of foreign municipalities was a favorite pastime of the early midwesterners.

11:21am giselle:

Midnight Cowboy is the best movie ever!

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11:21am Walt:

That was the great John McGiver!

11:22am βrian:

There's a "burlin" in VT, spelled "Berlin."

11:24am JP from KC:

In Missouri alone, we have Cairo, pronounced "KAY-Row," Nevada, pronounced "Nuh-VAY-duh," and Versailles, pronounced "Ver-SAILS."

11:24am pocket vito:

Sounds like the WFMU elevator!

11:24am βrian:

Dr Ben Casey never got stuck in an elevator!

11:25am JakeGould:

No. The best movie is that Bresson movie about the nice donkey who gets treated like crap by everyone but a few nice French kids.

11:25am rsj:

that's such a tease, I need to know more about dr. ben carson

11:26am FʶFʶ (:

This Delicate Steve's song is phenomenal! Another smashing instrumental!! I love it so much!

11:26am Losermom:

OK . . .

11:27am Okasa:

Ick!

11:29am still b/p:

Non-sequitur & gripe of the day:
Anyone else think that belonging in the same dungeon with United Airlines reps are the writers of the terms and summary perspectives being tossed around in John Geils obits? ...such as "best known for the J. Geils Band's No. 1 hit, "Centerfold," That's their biggest-selling and highest charting, sure, but to claim "best known for" seems to give a dismissive and oversimplifying beatdown to huge important facts of band and public awareness history and drag those facts down the aisle of music history and eject them. Maybe it's another age-of-reporter thing, but
"best known for" is almost ALWAYS a bad choice.

11:31am Cecile:

Exactly.
I like better, "although well-known for this, such-and-such inserted an influence far beyond it. (insert rich history and fan tributes)"

11:34am Uncle Michael:

J. Geils; lead guitarist for the eponymous J. Geils band, who's biggest hit was "Centerfold".

That's limited to statements of fact and makes no assumptions about what the reader knows.

11:36am FʶFʶ (:

Hmm....Last time Ken played the Makers of the Dead Travel Fast song everybody jumped in excitement Now no one bats an eyelid!

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11:38am Walt:

@JakeGould: I love that movie! It's called "Francis in the Navy."

11:38am The Oscar:

The Rolling Stone obit makes the peculiar choice of hyphenating "Love-Stinks." Which turns it into a plural noun, which is WAY grosser.

11:39am Michael 98145:

whoa -

11:39am βrian:

Wow, the former Upsala College area looks like VinylStan on Google Street View. Ick.

11:40am The Oscar:

Also, Peter Wolf was a regular at the record store I used to work at, and we'd always joke about whistling the riff from "Freeze Frame" as we wrote him up. Probably everyone who's worked in a record store in Boston in the past 30 years could tell you a few good Peter Wolf stories.

11:40am FʶFʶ (:

Makers Of The Dead Travel Fast 's label : M Squared ‎

11:41am Cecile:

In the Midwest, they were legends as a live band. Our regular boring AM station would play hunks of the live album from time to time.

11:41am Agent Peter:

interpolating "You'll Never Walk Alone"

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11:41am Threemoons:

Hey. Going in late to work today due to seder activity last night; great to start with Fearless....

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11:41am -Ken:

Brian = That's the building we were in for around 30 years..

11:44am ian:

interesting cover....

11:46am ian:

Where syd barett pink floyd meets "the nice" the keyboardist emerson on elp, I am making all that up but if there is any grain of thruth dont blame me.

11:47am JakeGould:

Is this the music playing in Ben Carson’s head as he was stuck in an elevator?

11:49am ian:

Mabye it depends on who you know but honestly the weirdest part of this set is that there is a gif for every song.

11:49am Bronwyn Bishop:

oh no not this again

11:50am rsj:

Landers two weeks in a row, Kenny G would be pleased

11:50am pantz:

Hey, it's Chairface. Where's The Tick when you need him?

11:50am Nick S.:

HAHAHAHA!!!! I forgot about this guy.

11:51am βrian:

Sean goes plosive on his Ps.

11:51am Dave in Vermont:

Ken's entrance music before every station meeting.

11:51am JakeGould:

I thought Chris Burden was the greatest artist. He made a TV commercial about it.

11:52am Michele:

I love this

11:52am PMD:

@Dave in Vermont - ha!

11:52am FʶFʶ (:

Sean Lander's track is fake. Like real fake. Not fake fake.

11:52am pocket vito:

This guy is impressive

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11:52am JtotheK:

Wow, The Man Within back to back weeks - what a treat!

11:53am pocket vito:

He's just saying what we're all thinking

11:53am ian:

The id of hubris that propels WFMU is on naked display. And it turns me on. At least it's honest and not trying to fuck a russian teenage bride or something.

11:54am pocket vito:

We all think we're the greatest ____ alive today.

11:54am ian:

Yes pocket vito. thats what I was trying to say.

11:55am ian:

you're the greatest at explaining what I was trying to say in the wfmu comments. You can handle that ;)

11:56am Okasa:

But, if one can narrow down ______ small enough, it is true.

11:57am northguineahills:

Thanks Ken!

11:57am Lixiviated Life:

Time for the Shipping Forecast

11:58am ian:

yeah, I'm the greatest at being my exact self. Not that it is anything anybody else should aspire to but indeed okasa. That spoken word bit was just hilarious, way to make all of us artists who think we are so bold at least, just step back for a second. If you really are all that this will be a pebble in your road.

11:58am Michael 98145:

we shall enjoy living at the pinnacle of human history

11:58am groucho:

My gf just gave me Ivor Cutler's Gruts LP. Not showing off... but I am

11:59am joeray:

Nine of a kind! Ding,ding, ding!

11:59am βrian:

Poor, poor Peter Wahl!

11:59am ian:

nice groucho.. best I ever got was a copy of pinkerton by weezer. I don't even know what you are talking about, so that's cool :) :) google it in a second.

12:00pm FʶFʶ (:

Thank you, Ken, people! Great music, comments, GIFs! Till next episode. Take care!

12:00pm Cecile:

The people I babysat for gave me a copy of Nazareth's Hair of the Dog.

12:00pm bobo:

Could I still request a song?

1:03pm Listener Robert:

I'm sure you could still request a song, bobo, just as I, under the terms of my consent decree with Ken, can still make a 3rd post on the comment list. This was it.

1:11pm Nacho:

Wow! "Arauco tiene una pena" de Violeta Parra!!! Saludos to everyone desde Chile!

6:20pm Malloo:

Hi
Thank you for playing JAVPR 2008.
But strange You have the new one "Ko Re Ya Ba I".
Ask to Brian Turner. I hope Brian put "Ko Re Ya Ba I" next og "OGI Hz" another 4 album are waiting to send by the mess.

3:56pm Malloo,YXI aka Yximalloo:

Thanks. I sent "Ko Re Ya Ba I" $ "Bon Jour 2007" and "Otolith 4 " already in FEB after "OGI Hz" strange!