WFMU: Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from February 8, 2017

Listener comments!
	6:59pm Bill: First!
	7:00pm Gary: Hey Bill! I'm worried about a lag here ... not sure what's going on ... but we'll get it pulled together
	7:00pm Gary: Tell me if / when you hear the theme song
	7:02pm Gary: Hear it yet?
	7:03pm David D: You're on!
	7:04pm Bill: Sounds OK
	7:04pm melinda: hi Gary and others!
	7:06pm Gary: HI Gang!
	7:10pm Doug Schulkind: G A R Y !
	7:11pm Gary: Doug! Melinda! David!
	🇰🇷 7:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oh - extraordinary again this week?? Ho-hum! (harhar)...
	7:20pm Gary: RevRab! Tonight's show is actually on the easier side for me b/c all this stuff is pre-collected ;-)
	7:23pm MrFab: Yo Gary! Yep, that Pan Ron BookerT-from-an-alternate-universe is indeed classic. Methinks 'twas posted on my blog ages ago. GREAT idea for a show, really looking forward to this one.
	7:29pm Gary: Mr. Fab!
	7:31pm hyde: running late. dangit, i missed the Cambodian set! ah well, i have that record.
	7:32pm Gary: Hyde! On vinyl?
	7:35pm hyde: that one i think i have on CD.(note: all my analog crap is in storage! can't check this stuff.) I do have decent selection of Sublime Frequencies stuff on vinyl, tho.
	7:36pm Gary: I'm curious mostly because the original vinyl recording had fewer tracks than the later CD version -- just wondering if what I played was actually on the vinyl (I only have the CD)
	🇰🇷 7:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...I wish there was a 24/7 Sublime Frequencies stream...
	7:38pm Gary: Ooh! Nice idea, RevRab
	7:39pm Gary: Brian Turner had Alan Bishop and Rob Millis DJing on his show this week: wfmu.org...
	🇰🇷 7:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...what a great stream it'd be to fall asleep to for instance (sounds like a backhanded compliment for radio - but we all know it isn't)...
	7:44pm quinn: sooo good i needed this
	7:45pm Gary: Quinn! Glad we could oblige
	7:49pm hyde: @Rev rab unfortunately that might interfere with my falling asleep to the Drummer Stream!
	7:49pm tim abdellah: Ooh, I'm just in time! Hi Gary and Friends!
	7:50pm Gary: Tim!
	7:53pm David D: Fine choices, Gary!
	7:54pm Gary: Thanks, David
	8:03pm Doug Schulkind: Bodega Pop Live doesn't hit the spot, it wraps up the spot in a velvet shawl, places it in a space module, and rockets it into the omnisphere.
	8:05pm melinda: Lomax
	8:05pm tim abdellah: lomax
	8:07pm MrFab: You're not too familiar with Sun City Girls, Gary? Well, lemme tell ya, it is a vast sea of decades worth of music and sounds. Not even sure where you'd begin.
	8:09pm hyde: @Mr Fab haha, agreed
	8:10pm Gary: I'm totally excited to have a new band to go research!
	8:13pm Scraps: Sun City Girls are sometimes great, sometimes crap. But they are out there for sure, and I would think that lots of FMU listeners would appreciate at least some of them
	8:15pm Gary: The chapter on them in the book is pretty hilarious
	8:15pm Gary: Intentionally, and in a good way, I should add
	8:17pm Scraps: If I were to recommend one album -- tentatively -- I would point to 330,003 Crossdressers From Beyond the Rig Veda
	8:21pm Gary: Ha ha, that's such a great title
	8:25pm Dean: Is the entire Yaala Yaala catalog this good?
	8:26pm Gary: Everything I've heard is BHO-level good. _______ Blow Head Off
	8:26pm Gary: www.dragcity.com...
	8:27pm Gary: HI Dean!
	8:27pm Gary: And Scraps!
	8:27pm Scraps: Also Dante's Disneyland Inferno. Like Crossdressers, it was a 2cd set and released in 1996. I got into them on those two and a few others, but when I tried to get most of them, I discovered the sometimes-crap problem
	8:29pm tim abdellah: This Malian stuff is fantastic!
	8:30pm Dean: Just bought the 6CD package.
	8:31pm MrFab: Yep, this Yaala Yaala stuff is spectacular. is it all from Mali?
	8:32pm Gary: I think so, Mr. Fab ... not 100% sure, but pretty sure
	8:33pm Dean: Judging from notes here: http://www.dragcity.com/products/yaala-yaala-bundle ...yes.
	8:39pm Scraps: Drag City is a good indie label, basically
	8:41pm Dean: On Drag City's contact page: "Drag City no longer accepts demos. Unless they're amazing."
	8:43pm Scraps: Silver Jews, Gastr del Sol, Smog, Will Oldham.... etc. Lots of good stuff
	8:46pm Scraps: post-punk
	8:48pm Scraps: (referring to the talk)
	8:49pm MrFab: wouldn't Luaka Bop be considered 'punk ethnography,' preceding 'Cambodian Rock'? Founded by someone from the punk scene, first releases were collections of stuff he found poking round in Brazilian record stores, marketed to the alt-rock crowd...
	8:50pm Gary: Yes! I don't know why I didn't include Luaka Bop here ...
	8:51pm MrFab: Were they mentioned in the book?
	8:52pm melinda: Boogie time
	8:52pm Gary: Yes, they are, Mr. Fab -- LB's absence is my shortcoming, not theirs!
	8:52pm Scraps: that's what I meant, though; Talking Heads were a post-punk band, not punk (in my opinion, of course)
	8:53pm Scraps: Or side-punk, whatever
	8:53pm melinda: I am still figuring out what is punk and what is post-punk.
	8:54pm Gary: But Punk Ethnography is a much better title than Post-Punk Ethnography ... or, wait ... is it?
	8:54pm Scraps: ;-)
	8:54pm Gary: @Melinda ... you and everyone else!
	8:55pm MrFab: That's OK, Gary, I'm sure we're all pretty familiar with Luaka Bops catalog. I was just thinking that they could be considered the original 'punk ethnographers.'
	8:55pm Scraps: I know! :-) :-)
	8:56pm MrFab: You're not playing Ata Kak's vocals? They're hysterical! The african Shooby Taylor.
	8:56pm melinda: I am bad with musical categories in general.
	8:57pm Gary: @Mr Fab -- I played the wrong version! Argh.
	8:58pm hyde: i'm kind of loathe to get into the weeds here (and it's awful weedy) but i dunno, being 14 in 1977 i sure considered Talking Heads '77 to be pretty, y'know, punk
	8:58pm Gary: I love that What's Happening in Pernambuco CD
	8:58pm Scraps: Damon Knight, when asked what is science fiction, said "Science fiction is what I point to when I say 'science fiction'."
	9:02pm Scraps: And when I was a 17-year-old punk, who liked Talking Heads, I didn't think they were punk. What they were (I thought) was New Wave. And it is weeds, and growing thicker.
	9:03pm Scraps: It Doesn't Matter (Of Course)
	9:03pm Gary: My first Talking Heads record was More Songs about Buildings and Food, which I think I read about in Creem Magazine ... I remember being semi-frightened by it, but loving it, slowly, with repeated listenings
	9:05pm Scraps: Oh man, I loved More Songs, to the point where I considered it my favorite rock album for a time
	9:06pm MrFab: I remember when everything was called New Wave. The Sex Pistols were New Wave. Dont remember a distinction until punk went hardcore early 80s.
	9:06pm Dean: The only Talking Heads record I've ever really embraced is the "Love Goes to Building on Fire" 45rpm. Pretty sure I still have it. From the first album and beyond, though, I just never got the band, except for bits and pieces. Yet I adore My Life in the Bush of Ghosts.
	9:07pm Dean: I recall very clearly being introduced to the phenomenon, if not yet the music, of "punk" (namely, the Pistols) in 1976.
	9:08pm Uncle Michael: I bought 'Talking Heads '77 in '78 and it was life changing.
	9:08pm Gary: My introduction to punk was an episode of 60 Minutes. I remember this band singing "Stab your back! Stab your back!" It scared the holy shit out of me. Kids were cutting themselves and singing weird evil shit. Within a few days, I think I had picked up my first punk album, but I don't remember now whether it was The Clash or Sex Pistols, or what
	9:09pm Scraps: I think Americans have a wider conception of what punk is than the Brits do. And I fall with the Brits.
	9:11pm Scraps: I still remember a person calling Jonathan Richman punk, and I just stared in astonishment.
	9:11pm hyde: haha, fair. let's just leave it as weeds. i like Fear of Music most of all, though I love Remain in Light too. And More Songs. and '77,. after all that it's all pretty downhill. i do get the idea that they were always post-punk though. my experience is just different from that.
	9:12pm Dean: Traveled to London in late '76, where I purchased the first Pistols' single in, I think, a Woolworth's or British cognate. First Modern Lovers album is certainly proto-punk. I mean, "Road Runner"? "Pablo Picasso"?
	9:13pm hyde: @Gary hehe, my intro to punk also comes thru corporate mass media, which is sort of as un-punk as it gets
	9:13pm tim abdellah: Great show, Gary! I gotta roll. Catch you soon.
	9:14pm hyde: i saw the Remain in Light tour! and i have to say, it was amazing.
	9:14pm Uncle Michael: I love Remain In Light. I'm in favor of as much cultural appropriation as possible.
	9:15pm Gary: Uncle Michael!
	9:15pm Dean: "Stab your back!..." is from one of the greatest punk records of all time, DAMNED DAMNED DAMNED. I adore that album, still. Remain in Light, for me, has moments, owing mostly to the musicians who augment the core band. But I can't endure it in full. It's mostly Byrne, who is always too clever by half. (WTF that means.)
	9:15pm hyde: @UM without cultural appropriation, there would be no crab rangoon
	9:15pm Uncle Michael: The new Tinariwen album is wonderful. It comes out Friday and what I have planned precludes me from playing any of it till the following week.
	9:16pm Gary: Night, Tim!
	9:17pm Gary: Oh! Can't wait to hear it, Michael
	9:17pm Uncle Michael: Special guests on it. I'll play a track on the 17th that features Mark Lanegan and Kurt Vile.
	9:17pm MrFab: "Remain In Light" was no less than a (musical) life-changing event for 14-year-old me. It introduced me to African polyrhtyhms and made me appreciate funk. Western beats would always seem too simple. i went from there to Sunny Ade, then to Fela, and here we are.
	9:18pm Scraps: To me, Modern Lovers are rock. And yeah, and I could hear them as proto-punk. But.... I knew lots of people who got into the Modern Lovers, easily, who were made uneasy by punk. I don't know... everybody's has a separate history, I'm beginning to think
	9:19pm Scraps: Uncle Michael, yes! Of course, I can say that, being a Privileged White Male.
	9:20pm Uncle Michael: The Modern Lovers are such a clear echo of the Velvets.
	9:21pm Scraps: Wow, really?
	9:21pm Gary: There's a great live recording where Jonathan kind of jokes about that -- it's been so long, tho, I can't remember now what album it's from ...
	9:22pm Scraps: Never thought of that. Hm.
	9:23pm Uncle Michael: Yes, really. Sure, Richman's personality is nothing like Reed's but the inspiration to just express exactly what's on your mind with as little artifice as possible seems obvious to me
	9:23pm Gary: There's also a song "Velvet Underground" from one of his albums ... from the 90s I think?
	9:24pm MrFab: Richman recorded a tribute song called "Velvet Underground", but really only the earliest Modern Lovers are Velvets influenced, e.g. "Roadrunner" is basically a "Sister Ray" rewrite.
	9:24pm Gary: What Uncle M said!
	9:24pm Gary: Whoa, mind blown, Mr. Fab -- I can totally hear that
	9:25pm Scraps: Reed lack of artifice is overstated (by him, too). He was a poet, too.
	9:26pm Gary: Lack of artifice, or flatness of affect ... :-P
	9:28pm Uncle Michael: Either way, Gary. I can absolutely imagine a young R.R. hearing the Velvets and thinking, "permission!"
	9:28pm Uncle Michael: *J.R.
	9:28pm Scraps: Lack of artifice is an artifice
	9:28pm Dean: Per Trouser Press, "The first Modern Lovers album was cobbled together by Beserkley supremo Matthew King Kaufman from demos, the bulk of which had been produced by John Cale in 1972 when it looked as if the band would be signed to Warner Bros."
	9:29pm Scraps: (Sometimes)
	9:29pm Gary: You don't have to be sharp to see flat
	9:30pm coelacanth∅: greetings Gary and Bodeganarians ...been here on/off since 7 but finally committed a few minutes ago, i think. (i'm working)
	9:30pm Uncle Michael: Scraps, I think I disagree. It's a choice. I'm not saying it's not conscious. But I think it's too easy to dismiss a lack of mannerisms as a mannerism.
	9:30pm Gary: coelacanth∅!
	9:33pm Scraps: I hear Richman's lack of artifice as genuine. Reed, I don't know. I sometimes hear Reed as very deliberate. And that's fine, I mean.
	9:34pm Uncle Michael: I never know who to trust.
	9:34pm Scraps: :-)
	9:35pm Uncle Michael: I may have heard Bombino before the cell phone albums.
	9:36pm Dean: Does lack of artifice refer to a natural, unstudied, spontaneous quality in performance? Or to an absence of pretension, of faking it?
	9:36pm Scraps: What matters is the words, not the motive behind them. (to me, to me)
	9:37pm Dean: Seems to me both Richman and Reed exhibit both of these qualities on occasion, other times not.
	9:39pm Uncle Michael: @Dean Both? Neither? I think a performer can absorb a repertoire of performance mannerisms and then employ them unconsciously and spontaneously. I also think someone like J.R. is remarkable for not ever having done so. He's not the only spontaneous and sincere performer.
	9:39pm Scraps: The words we can argue with; the motives we have to trust our telepathy
	9:39pm Uncle Michael: I tend to trust my lying eyes.
	9:44pm coelacanth∅: i had to scroll up when i saw what y'all are talking about because i just don't see any connection between VU and JR. the music isn't even slightly similar (at least to the early, good, velvets) and Reed's personality was quite outside himself much of the time; whereas richman was/is all about himself. i cannot imagine Reed tolerating richman if they where in the same room.
	9:45pm Scraps: Reed admired Delmore Schwartz, a very conscious artist. I believe Reed was a conscious artist. Part of being a rock star was being an unconscious artist. Reed navigated those waters awesomely.
	9:46pm Dean: Trusting one's lying eyes is, pretty much precisely, willingly suspending disbelief, isn't it? It's a characteristic of the audience, not the performer. But "performance mannerisms"--are these the same as techniques? I think of, say, Cecilia Bartoli, a supreme mezzo-soprano who is obviously steeped in training and technique, a quality that emerges when you hear her sing. Yet spontaneity doesn't suffer to my ear.
	9:47pm Dean: Pretty sure Richman deliberately emulated VU early on.
	9:48pm Scraps: Should I leave out Reed's romance with Laurie Anderson, one of the most conscious artists, a self-conscious artist and reveling in it, of our time?
	9:51pm Scraps: Or is that a Matalin-carville romance? ;-)
	9:51pm Uncle Michael: One can't be an unmannered artist and fall in love with a highly mannered artist? Maybe Reed's blank affect became schtick and maybe it didn't.
	9:51pm coelacanth∅: the modern lovers' first album never reminded me of VU. it's much more traditionally structured; more based on early rocknroll.
	9:54pm Scraps: I wouldn't say Reed falling out of unmannered art was falling into schtick. Unmannered and mannered art are both good, if do you them right.
	9:55pm Uncle Michael: I agree.
	9:56pm Doug Schulkind: Dj/rupture did a show on FMU for about five years. Here are his archives: wfmu.org...
	9:56pm Uncle Michael: Audio: Jonathan Richman DJs Two-Hour Lou Reed Birthday Show www.daysofthecrazy-wild.com...
	9:56pm coelacanth∅: you college kids and your fancy terminology... by "mannered" do you mean disciplined?
	9:57pm Gary: Thank you, Doug! I've listened to some of those, along with a couple of his sets on the Peel show, and he's just ... he's amazing.
	9:57pm Scraps: I just see Reed as not so much unmannered as you do, Uncle Michael. Maybe we should let it rest there.
	9:58pm Gary: Ooh! Gotta listen to that, UM!
	9:58pm Scraps: Cheers!
	9:59pm Uncle Michael: Nope, I mean mannerisms. David Lee Roth's high kicks are a mannerism. David Byrne's blank stare is a mannerism. Mannerisms are good. They're fine. Their presence is less remarkable than their absence.
	9:59pm hyde: cool show. thanx,
	10:00pm Gary: Thanks for hanging out, Hyde!
	10:00pm Uncle Michael: Thanks for the music and conversation, everyone.
	10:00pm hyde: always a pleasure
	10:00pm coelacanth∅: Thank you UM.
	10:01pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary! have a great week!
	10:03pm Scraps: Thank you, Gary! Thank you, Uncle Michael! Thank you, everybody!
	10:05pm Doug Schulkind: Tune in tomorrow morning at 9am (eastern) for Amanda's show, Nazario Scenario. She will be presenting a tribute to Joe Raposo:the original music director of Sesame Street and celebrated composer of popular tunes for TV, films, Broadway and more. A three-hour extravaganza with all the bells and whistles!
	10:05pm Gary: Night, Michael, Hyde, Coela, Scraps, Doug, and all!
	3:10am daddio mooch: that Ata Kak song seems to be a slowed down version.... nice

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from February 8, 2017

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February 8, 2017: Punk Ethnography
Tracks from pioneering collections by Parallel World, Sublime Frequencies, Yaala Yaala (see image below), Awesome Tapes from Africa, Sahel Sounds, Akuphone, PetPet's Tapes, and DJ /rupture.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
Music behind DJ: Bodega Pop	Intro "Intro" by "Bodega Pop"	Bodega Pop Live		2017
Yol Alarong	Cyclo "Cyclo" by "Yol Alarong"	Cambodian Rocks	Parallel World	1996		0:05:33 (Pop-up)
Ros Sereysothea	Chnam oun Dop-Pram Muy	Cambodian Rocks	Parallel World	1996		0:08:57 (Pop-up)
Sinn Sisamouth	Srolanh Srey Touch	Cambodian Rocks	Parallel World	1996		0:12:43 (Pop-up)
Pan Ron	Rom Jongvak Twist "Rom Jongvak Twist" by "Pan Ron"	Cambodian Rocks	Parallel World	1996		0:16:26 (Pop-up)
Liev Tuk	Rom Sue Sue "Rom Sue Sue" by "Liev Tuk"	Cambodian Rocks	Parallel World	1996		0:18:35 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun City Girls	Blue Mambo "Blue Mambo" by "Sun City Girls"	Torch of the Mystics	Abduction	1990		0:21:20 (Pop-up)
Haba Haba Group	Sitogol #1 "Sitogol #1" by "Haba Haba Group"	Folk and Pop Sounds of Sumatra Vol. 1	Sublime Frequencies	2003		0:28:01 (Pop-up)
Unknown Artists	Radio Jakarta #3 "Radio Jakarta #3" by "Unknown Artists"	Radio Java	Sublime Frequencies	2003		0:32:41 (Pop-up)
Unknown Artists	Kuta Quintet "Kuta Quintet" by "Unknown Artists"	Night Recordings from Bali	Sublime Frequencies	2003		0:39:38 (Pop-up)
Mar Mar Aye	Someday He Will Return	Princess Nicotine: Folk And Pop Sounds Of Myanmar (Burma) Vol. 1	Sublime Frequencies	2004		0:43:32 (Pop-up)
Unknown Artists	Radio Essaouira "Radio Essaouira" by "Unknown Artists"	Radio Morocco	Sublime Frequencies	2004		0:46:13 (Pop-up)
Unknown Artists	Damascus Between the Lines	I Remember Syria	Sublime Frequencies	2004		0:50:54 (Pop-up)
Unknown Artists	Voice of Peace? "Voice of Peace?" by "Unknown Artists"	Radio Palestine: Sounds of the Eastern Mediterranean	Sublime Frequencies	2004		0:55:35 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun City Girls	Esoterica of Abyssynia	Torch of the Mystics	Abduction	1990		0:58:30 (Pop-up)
Pekos / Yoro Diallo	Track 1 "Track 1" by "Pekos / Yoro Diallo"	Pekos / Yoro Diallo	Yaala Yaala	2007	Mali	1:07:06 (Pop-up)
Unknown Artists	Track 7 "Track 7" by "Unknown Artists"	Bougouni Yaalali	Yaala Yaala	2007	Mali	1:20:19 (Pop-up)
Toba Seydou Traore	Maransa "Maransa" by "Toba Seydou Traore"	Toba Seydou Traore	Yaala Yaala	2010	Mali	1:27:08 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun City Girls	The Flower "The Flower" by "Sun City Girls"	Torch of the Mystics	Abduction	1990		1:36:25 (Pop-up)
Boureima Disco et le Super Bonkaney	Ethnocentrisme	Gahame Bane	Awesome Tapes from Africa			1:47:08 (Pop-up)
Ata Kak	Bome Nnwom "Bome Nnwom" by "Ata Kak"	Ata Kak	Awesome Tapes from Africa			1:49:51 (Pop-up)
Bola	Tigantabame "Tigantabame" by "Bola"	Volume 7	Awesome Tapes from Africa	2012		1:55:17 (Pop-up)
Tondjon	Imadatji (Remix) "Imadatji (Remix)" by "Tondjon"	Niyake	Awesome Tapes from Africa			2:02:20 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Hailu Mergia and the Walias	Musicawi Silt		Awesome Tapes from Africa			2:08:06 (Pop-up)
Group Anmataff	Tinariwen "Tinariwen" by "Group Anmataff"	Music from Saharan Cellphones	Sahel Sounds	2010		2:13:46 (Pop-up)
Orchestre National De Mauritanie	Kamlat	Orchestre National de Mauritanie	Sahel Sounds	2013		2:19:01 (Pop-up)
Mdou Moctar	Anar "Anar" by "Mdou Moctar"	Mdou Moctar / Brainstorm Split 7"	Sahel Sounds			2:24:12 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun City Girls	Papa Legba "Papa Legba" by "Sun City Girls"	Torch of the Mystics	Abduction	1990		2:28:59 (Pop-up)
Sothy	Lam Seung Bang Fei "Lam Seung Bang Fei" by "Sothy"	Chansons Laotiennes	Akuphone	1980	Laos / France	2:37:58 (Pop-up)
Banteay Ampil Band	Destroy the Communist Viet!	Cambodian Liberation Songs	Akuphone	1983	Cambodia \| http://www.forcedexposure.com/Artists/BANTEAY.AMPIL.BAND.html	2:42:09 (Pop-up)
Menanti Musafir	A1 "A1" by "Menanti Musafir"	Menanti Musafir	PetPets' Tapes			2:46:55 (Pop-up)
Panorama	Black Mama "Black Mama" by "Panorama"	DJ /rupture Presents Ciafrica	Dutty Artz	2010	Côte d'Ivoire	2:50:20 (Pop-up)
Nasty	J'Reste Une Hard "J'Reste Une Hard" by "Nasty"	DJ /rupture Presents Ciafrica	Dutty Artz	2010	Côte d'Ivoire	2:52:12 (Pop-up)
Manusa ft. Ren K	Babi "Babi" by "Manusa ft. Ren K"	DJ /rupture Presents Ciafrica	Dutty Artz	2010	Côte d'Ivoire	2:57:10 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Catrina Paslaru	Hei La Bodega "Hei La Bodega" by "Catrina Paslaru"	Hei La Bodega - Carnaval!		2000		2:58:24 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:59pm Bill: First!
	7:00pm Gary: Hey Bill! I'm worried about a lag here ... not sure what's going on ... but we'll get it pulled together
	7:00pm Gary: Tell me if / when you hear the theme song
	7:02pm Gary: Hear it yet?
	7:03pm David D: You're on!
	7:04pm Bill: Sounds OK
	7:04pm melinda: hi Gary and others!
	7:06pm Gary: HI Gang!
	7:10pm Doug Schulkind: G A R Y !
	7:11pm Gary: Doug! Melinda! David!
	🇰🇷 7:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Oh - extraordinary again this week?? Ho-hum! (harhar)...
	7:20pm Gary: RevRab! Tonight's show is actually on the easier side for me b/c all this stuff is pre-collected ;-)
	7:23pm MrFab: Yo Gary! Yep, that Pan Ron BookerT-from-an-alternate-universe is indeed classic. Methinks 'twas posted on my blog ages ago. GREAT idea for a show, really looking forward to this one.
	7:29pm Gary: Mr. Fab!
	7:31pm hyde: running late. dangit, i missed the Cambodian set! ah well, i have that record.
	7:32pm Gary: Hyde! On vinyl?
	7:35pm hyde: that one i think i have on CD.(note: all my analog crap is in storage! can't check this stuff.) I do have decent selection of Sublime Frequencies stuff on vinyl, tho.
	7:36pm Gary: I'm curious mostly because the original vinyl recording had fewer tracks than the later CD version -- just wondering if what I played was actually on the vinyl (I only have the CD)
	🇰🇷 7:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...I wish there was a 24/7 Sublime Frequencies stream...
	7:38pm Gary: Ooh! Nice idea, RevRab
	7:39pm Gary: Brian Turner had Alan Bishop and Rob Millis DJing on his show this week: wfmu.org...
	🇰🇷 7:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...what a great stream it'd be to fall asleep to for instance (sounds like a backhanded compliment for radio - but we all know it isn't)...
	7:44pm quinn: sooo good i needed this
	7:45pm Gary: Quinn! Glad we could oblige
	7:49pm hyde: @Rev rab unfortunately that might interfere with my falling asleep to the Drummer Stream!
	7:49pm tim abdellah: Ooh, I'm just in time! Hi Gary and Friends!
	7:50pm Gary: Tim!
	7:53pm David D: Fine choices, Gary!
	7:54pm Gary: Thanks, David
	8:03pm Doug Schulkind: Bodega Pop Live doesn't hit the spot, it wraps up the spot in a velvet shawl, places it in a space module, and rockets it into the omnisphere.
	8:05pm melinda: Lomax
	8:05pm tim abdellah: lomax
	8:07pm MrFab: You're not too familiar with Sun City Girls, Gary? Well, lemme tell ya, it is a vast sea of decades worth of music and sounds. Not even sure where you'd begin.
	8:09pm hyde: @Mr Fab haha, agreed
	8:10pm Gary: I'm totally excited to have a new band to go research!
	8:13pm Scraps: Sun City Girls are sometimes great, sometimes crap. But they are out there for sure, and I would think that lots of FMU listeners would appreciate at least some of them
	8:15pm Gary: The chapter on them in the book is pretty hilarious
	8:15pm Gary: Intentionally, and in a good way, I should add
	8:17pm Scraps: If I were to recommend one album -- tentatively -- I would point to 330,003 Crossdressers From Beyond the Rig Veda
	8:21pm Gary: Ha ha, that's such a great title
	8:25pm Dean: Is the entire Yaala Yaala catalog this good?
	8:26pm Gary: Everything I've heard is BHO-level good. _______ Blow Head Off
	8:26pm Gary: www.dragcity.com...
	8:27pm Gary: HI Dean!
	8:27pm Gary: And Scraps!
	8:27pm Scraps: Also Dante's Disneyland Inferno. Like Crossdressers, it was a 2cd set and released in 1996. I got into them on those two and a few others, but when I tried to get most of them, I discovered the sometimes-crap problem
	8:29pm tim abdellah: This Malian stuff is fantastic!
	8:30pm Dean: Just bought the 6CD package.
	8:31pm MrFab: Yep, this Yaala Yaala stuff is spectacular. is it all from Mali?
	8:32pm Gary: I think so, Mr. Fab ... not 100% sure, but pretty sure
	8:33pm Dean: Judging from notes here: http://www.dragcity.com/products/yaala-yaala-bundle ...yes.
	8:39pm Scraps: Drag City is a good indie label, basically
	8:41pm Dean: On Drag City's contact page: "Drag City no longer accepts demos. Unless they're amazing."
	8:43pm Scraps: Silver Jews, Gastr del Sol, Smog, Will Oldham.... etc. Lots of good stuff
	8:46pm Scraps: post-punk
	8:48pm Scraps: (referring to the talk)
	8:49pm MrFab: wouldn't Luaka Bop be considered 'punk ethnography,' preceding 'Cambodian Rock'? Founded by someone from the punk scene, first releases were collections of stuff he found poking round in Brazilian record stores, marketed to the alt-rock crowd...
	8:50pm Gary: Yes! I don't know why I didn't include Luaka Bop here ...
	8:51pm MrFab: Were they mentioned in the book?
	8:52pm melinda: Boogie time
	8:52pm Gary: Yes, they are, Mr. Fab -- LB's absence is my shortcoming, not theirs!
	8:52pm Scraps: that's what I meant, though; Talking Heads were a post-punk band, not punk (in my opinion, of course)
	8:53pm Scraps: Or side-punk, whatever
	8:53pm melinda: I am still figuring out what is punk and what is post-punk.
	8:54pm Gary: But Punk Ethnography is a much better title than Post-Punk Ethnography ... or, wait ... is it?
	8:54pm Scraps: ;-)
	8:54pm Gary: @Melinda ... you and everyone else!
	8:55pm MrFab: That's OK, Gary, I'm sure we're all pretty familiar with Luaka Bops catalog. I was just thinking that they could be considered the original 'punk ethnographers.'
	8:55pm Scraps: I know! :-) :-)
	8:56pm MrFab: You're not playing Ata Kak's vocals? They're hysterical! The african Shooby Taylor.
	8:56pm melinda: I am bad with musical categories in general.
	8:57pm Gary: @Mr Fab -- I played the wrong version! Argh.
	8:58pm hyde: i'm kind of loathe to get into the weeds here (and it's awful weedy) but i dunno, being 14 in 1977 i sure considered Talking Heads '77 to be pretty, y'know, punk
	8:58pm Gary: I love that What's Happening in Pernambuco CD
	8:58pm Scraps: Damon Knight, when asked what is science fiction, said "Science fiction is what I point to when I say 'science fiction'."
	9:02pm Scraps: And when I was a 17-year-old punk, who liked Talking Heads, I didn't think they were punk. What they were (I thought) was New Wave. And it is weeds, and growing thicker.
	9:03pm Scraps: It Doesn't Matter (Of Course)
	9:03pm Gary: My first Talking Heads record was More Songs about Buildings and Food, which I think I read about in Creem Magazine ... I remember being semi-frightened by it, but loving it, slowly, with repeated listenings
	9:05pm Scraps: Oh man, I loved More Songs, to the point where I considered it my favorite rock album for a time
	9:06pm MrFab: I remember when everything was called New Wave. The Sex Pistols were New Wave. Dont remember a distinction until punk went hardcore early 80s.
	9:06pm Dean: The only Talking Heads record I've ever really embraced is the "Love Goes to Building on Fire" 45rpm. Pretty sure I still have it. From the first album and beyond, though, I just never got the band, except for bits and pieces. Yet I adore My Life in the Bush of Ghosts.
	9:07pm Dean: I recall very clearly being introduced to the phenomenon, if not yet the music, of "punk" (namely, the Pistols) in 1976.
	9:08pm Uncle Michael: I bought 'Talking Heads '77 in '78 and it was life changing.
	9:08pm Gary: My introduction to punk was an episode of 60 Minutes. I remember this band singing "Stab your back! Stab your back!" It scared the holy shit out of me. Kids were cutting themselves and singing weird evil shit. Within a few days, I think I had picked up my first punk album, but I don't remember now whether it was The Clash or Sex Pistols, or what
	9:09pm Scraps: I think Americans have a wider conception of what punk is than the Brits do. And I fall with the Brits.
	9:11pm Scraps: I still remember a person calling Jonathan Richman punk, and I just stared in astonishment.
	9:11pm hyde: haha, fair. let's just leave it as weeds. i like Fear of Music most of all, though I love Remain in Light too. And More Songs. and '77,. after all that it's all pretty downhill. i do get the idea that they were always post-punk though. my experience is just different from that.
	9:12pm Dean: Traveled to London in late '76, where I purchased the first Pistols' single in, I think, a Woolworth's or British cognate. First Modern Lovers album is certainly proto-punk. I mean, "Road Runner"? "Pablo Picasso"?
	9:13pm hyde: @Gary hehe, my intro to punk also comes thru corporate mass media, which is sort of as un-punk as it gets
	9:13pm tim abdellah: Great show, Gary! I gotta roll. Catch you soon.
	9:14pm hyde: i saw the Remain in Light tour! and i have to say, it was amazing.
	9:14pm Uncle Michael: I love Remain In Light. I'm in favor of as much cultural appropriation as possible.
	9:15pm Gary: Uncle Michael!
	9:15pm Dean: "Stab your back!..." is from one of the greatest punk records of all time, DAMNED DAMNED DAMNED. I adore that album, still. Remain in Light, for me, has moments, owing mostly to the musicians who augment the core band. But I can't endure it in full. It's mostly Byrne, who is always too clever by half. (WTF that means.)
	9:15pm hyde: @UM without cultural appropriation, there would be no crab rangoon
	9:15pm Uncle Michael: The new Tinariwen album is wonderful. It comes out Friday and what I have planned precludes me from playing any of it till the following week.
	9:16pm Gary: Night, Tim!
	9:17pm Gary: Oh! Can't wait to hear it, Michael
	9:17pm Uncle Michael: Special guests on it. I'll play a track on the 17th that features Mark Lanegan and Kurt Vile.
	9:17pm MrFab: "Remain In Light" was no less than a (musical) life-changing event for 14-year-old me. It introduced me to African polyrhtyhms and made me appreciate funk. Western beats would always seem too simple. i went from there to Sunny Ade, then to Fela, and here we are.
	9:18pm Scraps: To me, Modern Lovers are rock. And yeah, and I could hear them as proto-punk. But.... I knew lots of people who got into the Modern Lovers, easily, who were made uneasy by punk. I don't know... everybody's has a separate history, I'm beginning to think
	9:19pm Scraps: Uncle Michael, yes! Of course, I can say that, being a Privileged White Male.
	9:20pm Uncle Michael: The Modern Lovers are such a clear echo of the Velvets.
	9:21pm Scraps: Wow, really?
	9:21pm Gary: There's a great live recording where Jonathan kind of jokes about that -- it's been so long, tho, I can't remember now what album it's from ...
	9:22pm Scraps: Never thought of that. Hm.
	9:23pm Uncle Michael: Yes, really. Sure, Richman's personality is nothing like Reed's but the inspiration to just express exactly what's on your mind with as little artifice as possible seems obvious to me
	9:23pm Gary: There's also a song "Velvet Underground" from one of his albums ... from the 90s I think?
	9:24pm MrFab: Richman recorded a tribute song called "Velvet Underground", but really only the earliest Modern Lovers are Velvets influenced, e.g. "Roadrunner" is basically a "Sister Ray" rewrite.
	9:24pm Gary: What Uncle M said!
	9:24pm Gary: Whoa, mind blown, Mr. Fab -- I can totally hear that
	9:25pm Scraps: Reed lack of artifice is overstated (by him, too). He was a poet, too.
	9:26pm Gary: Lack of artifice, or flatness of affect ... :-P
	9:28pm Uncle Michael: Either way, Gary. I can absolutely imagine a young R.R. hearing the Velvets and thinking, "permission!"
	9:28pm Uncle Michael: *J.R.
	9:28pm Scraps: Lack of artifice is an artifice
	9:28pm Dean: Per Trouser Press, "The first Modern Lovers album was cobbled together by Beserkley supremo Matthew King Kaufman from demos, the bulk of which had been produced by John Cale in 1972 when it looked as if the band would be signed to Warner Bros."
	9:29pm Scraps: (Sometimes)
	9:29pm Gary: You don't have to be sharp to see flat
	9:30pm coelacanth∅: greetings Gary and Bodeganarians ...been here on/off since 7 but finally committed a few minutes ago, i think. (i'm working)
	9:30pm Uncle Michael: Scraps, I think I disagree. It's a choice. I'm not saying it's not conscious. But I think it's too easy to dismiss a lack of mannerisms as a mannerism.
	9:30pm Gary: coelacanth∅!
	9:33pm Scraps: I hear Richman's lack of artifice as genuine. Reed, I don't know. I sometimes hear Reed as very deliberate. And that's fine, I mean.
	9:34pm Uncle Michael: I never know who to trust.
	9:34pm Scraps: :-)
	9:35pm Uncle Michael: I may have heard Bombino before the cell phone albums.
	9:36pm Dean: Does lack of artifice refer to a natural, unstudied, spontaneous quality in performance? Or to an absence of pretension, of faking it?
	9:36pm Scraps: What matters is the words, not the motive behind them. (to me, to me)
	9:37pm Dean: Seems to me both Richman and Reed exhibit both of these qualities on occasion, other times not.
	9:39pm Uncle Michael: @Dean Both? Neither? I think a performer can absorb a repertoire of performance mannerisms and then employ them unconsciously and spontaneously. I also think someone like J.R. is remarkable for not ever having done so. He's not the only spontaneous and sincere performer.
	9:39pm Scraps: The words we can argue with; the motives we have to trust our telepathy
	9:39pm Uncle Michael: I tend to trust my lying eyes.
	9:44pm coelacanth∅: i had to scroll up when i saw what y'all are talking about because i just don't see any connection between VU and JR. the music isn't even slightly similar (at least to the early, good, velvets) and Reed's personality was quite outside himself much of the time; whereas richman was/is all about himself. i cannot imagine Reed tolerating richman if they where in the same room.
	9:45pm Scraps: Reed admired Delmore Schwartz, a very conscious artist. I believe Reed was a conscious artist. Part of being a rock star was being an unconscious artist. Reed navigated those waters awesomely.
	9:46pm Dean: Trusting one's lying eyes is, pretty much precisely, willingly suspending disbelief, isn't it? It's a characteristic of the audience, not the performer. But "performance mannerisms"--are these the same as techniques? I think of, say, Cecilia Bartoli, a supreme mezzo-soprano who is obviously steeped in training and technique, a quality that emerges when you hear her sing. Yet spontaneity doesn't suffer to my ear.
	9:47pm Dean: Pretty sure Richman deliberately emulated VU early on.
	9:48pm Scraps: Should I leave out Reed's romance with Laurie Anderson, one of the most conscious artists, a self-conscious artist and reveling in it, of our time?
	9:51pm Scraps: Or is that a Matalin-carville romance? ;-)
	9:51pm Uncle Michael: One can't be an unmannered artist and fall in love with a highly mannered artist? Maybe Reed's blank affect became schtick and maybe it didn't.
	9:51pm coelacanth∅: the modern lovers' first album never reminded me of VU. it's much more traditionally structured; more based on early rocknroll.
	9:54pm Scraps: I wouldn't say Reed falling out of unmannered art was falling into schtick. Unmannered and mannered art are both good, if do you them right.
	9:55pm Uncle Michael: I agree.
	9:56pm Doug Schulkind: Dj/rupture did a show on FMU for about five years. Here are his archives: wfmu.org...
	9:56pm Uncle Michael: Audio: Jonathan Richman DJs Two-Hour Lou Reed Birthday Show www.daysofthecrazy-wild.com...
	9:56pm coelacanth∅: you college kids and your fancy terminology... by "mannered" do you mean disciplined?
	9:57pm Gary: Thank you, Doug! I've listened to some of those, along with a couple of his sets on the Peel show, and he's just ... he's amazing.
	9:57pm Scraps: I just see Reed as not so much unmannered as you do, Uncle Michael. Maybe we should let it rest there.
	9:58pm Gary: Ooh! Gotta listen to that, UM!
	9:58pm Scraps: Cheers!
	9:59pm Uncle Michael: Nope, I mean mannerisms. David Lee Roth's high kicks are a mannerism. David Byrne's blank stare is a mannerism. Mannerisms are good. They're fine. Their presence is less remarkable than their absence.
	9:59pm hyde: cool show. thanx,
	10:00pm Gary: Thanks for hanging out, Hyde!
	10:00pm Uncle Michael: Thanks for the music and conversation, everyone.
	10:00pm hyde: always a pleasure
	10:00pm coelacanth∅: Thank you UM.
	10:01pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary! have a great week!
	10:03pm Scraps: Thank you, Gary! Thank you, Uncle Michael! Thank you, everybody!
	10:05pm Doug Schulkind: Tune in tomorrow morning at 9am (eastern) for Amanda's show, Nazario Scenario. She will be presenting a tribute to Joe Raposo:the original music director of Sesame Street and celebrated composer of popular tunes for TV, films, Broadway and more. A three-hour extravaganza with all the bells and whistles!
	10:05pm Gary: Night, Michael, Hyde, Coela, Scraps, Doug, and all!
	3:10am daddio mooch: that Ata Kak song seems to be a slowed down version.... nice

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from February 8, 2017

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