Talking Psychedelics with Jesse Jarnow: Ken's show

Listener comments!

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6:25am -Ken:

Hi all!

6:55am cory:

mornin' kens and un-kens

7:01am cory:

no stupid requests from me today

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7:02am -Ken:

Hi Cory!

7:02am cory:

how are you doing today, Ken?

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7:07am -Ken:

I'm good. How about you Cory?

7:08am cory:

a bit hung over, but otherwise great

7:12am cory:

btw, the wife and i loved Sex and Broadcasting.

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7:15am -Ken:

Oh good! Where / how did you see it?

7:17am cory:

we watched on amazon. a little bummed the Cory A. Mountz Coffee Maker wasn't featured more.

7:26am cory:

oh oh oh, have you listened to Last Podcast on the Left? serial killers, satanic government, and aliens!

7:39am Michael:

Hi Ken - watched the film on Amazon yesterday as well.

7:40am Cliff:

Morning folks, I just dropped a tab of ALD-52, so I'm ready to go whenever you are Ken

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7:57am Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi ho, hi ho. Out of the house I go!

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8:03am -Ken:

Ooh nice reference Cliff! Any other drugs I should ask Jesse Jarnow about today? Any drug music anybody wanna hear?

8:05am Cliff:

Yeah...."reference", hahaha! How about "Why Did I Get So High?" by the Peanut Butter Conspiracy?

8:06am ɍoɍo (:

Good morning, Kens, Cory, Michael, Cliff!

I haven't seen Sex and Broadcasting yet, so please no spoilers!

8:06am Cliff:

And DMT is always a fun one to ask about.

8:09am Cliff:

If you're going to get into the dissociative anesthetics, then Ketamine & MXE would also be interesting to hear about

8:11am Wild Neil:

Peace everybody.

8:11am ɍoɍo (:

What about requesting drugs instead?

8:12am Cliff:

To be transmitted over the interwebs, ɍoɍo?

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8:12am -Ken:

Apologies for all the talk there's gonna be today. Next week, all music and live VJing.

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8:13am -Ken:

One of my goals is to get through the show today without playing any Dead.

8:17am Cliff:

A worthy goal. Those guys just go on and on and on......

8:19am ɍoɍo (:

Cliff,

If WFMU can send us swags, surely they can send us other type of goods as well. LSD infused stickers, anyone?

8:21am Cliff:

Yes, let's turn our favorite Freeform Station of the Nation into a covert drug-distribution network. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG??

8:25am Jack:

Ken, could you play something from Blue Cheer's second album - Outsideinside? Great music, mixed by someone doing Owlsey acid at the time ( and it shows! )

8:28am sphere:

hello folks. if the Dead are not on the menu, why not play "Bomb The Mars Hotel" by 11th Dream Day?

8:28am ɍoɍo (:

Nothing, Cliff, as long as the WFMU operates from the Dark Web -the second best type of web that there is- and starts accepting bitcoins. Inspired in Silk Road we can name the new site 'Ken Road'. No one will suspect.

8:35am Cliff:

I'd type something clever in response, ɍoɍo, but my mind is getting a little preoccupied at the moment

8:36am cory:

i'm always down for LBJ from Hair

8:36am Marcel M:

@Ken: I never got my envelope filled with drugs and instructions for this show... I'll have to improvise.

8:39am Cliff:

Hey did anyone notice today is a palindromic date? 6/1/16

8:40am ɍoɍo (:

If I am not mistaken the last person Ken's interviewed was a whistling genius. But it was so long time ago, I mean, we are talking about the era when whistling was all the rage.

8:40am Cliff:

That monkey shure is startin' to bother me.

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8:40am -Ken:

Whoa Cliff! Mind blown.

8:41am Cliff:

I know Ken, right?

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8:41am -Ken:

That's right f0f0 and then I couldn't get him out of the studio. Damn whistlers.

8:41am Cliff:

Hey whatddya think of my new Olga avatar?

8:45am Cliff:

*crickets* Well I think it works better than my old one, which everyone kept telling me looked like a vagina on mescaline.

8:45am sphere:

Attack of the Olga People!

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8:45am -Ken:

I like it Cliff. very VERY cool!

8:45am Cliff:

Thanks, Ken! I'll let you know when she starts moving.

8:51am Marcel M:

Ken, did you meet Trump's lawyer/adviser who was in the studio with Nacham today?

8:53am ɍoɍo (:

For the love of crackers, is Nacham a Trumpeteer?

8:55am Cliff:

People, it's NachUm.

8:57am Marcel M:

I only caught him saying he'd be there at the end of his show. But yeah he ain't gonna get in bed with Hill!

8:59am ɍoɍo (:

Thanks. As non-native English speaker I always wondered how Nachum Seagul is spelled.

9:00am ɍoɍo (:

*Seagull

9:01am Marcel M:

Appoligiez for my typo oh great one Claff.

9:01am Fred R:

Umma Gumma

9:01am cory:

oh fuck yes

9:01am People Like Us:

Morrrning!

9:02am Cliff:

No problemo Maursell

9:02am Jack:

excellent choice!

9:02am Cliff:

Hey Vicki!

9:03am cory:

hya PLU

9:03am V Priceless:

Hey Ken !

9:03am owlex:

finally a real ken show

9:04am Sem Chumbo:

Good morning, Ken-ers and Show-ers.
Have you seen the little piggies?
And that giant mo'fo on the rampage? I like bacon but forget it.

9:05am cory:

julian h. cope's Upward at 45 Degrees is a fun drug song. not sure if it's fcc safe

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9:05am -Ken:

Morning again everybody!

9:06am melinda:

Good morning Ken & listeners! Looking forward to the drug chat.

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9:06am -Ken:

Oh man, I cannot believe that Trump interview. Jaysuss.

9:06am redkayak:

Howdy all :)

9:07am Undead83:

Good morning dew everyone \o/

9:08am ɍoɍo (:

I'd like to hear a Ken's recap of that interview! Ken's recaps are great! I refer you to the Ken's Vinyl recaps series.

9:09am Marcel M:

I kind of wanna archive the show to hear it. But I'm afraid I'll punch my computer.

9:09am Marcel M:

This sonnngggg yeahhhhhhh. Damn what a start to the day!

9:11am melinda:

I noticed someone already requested a song from Hair, but Walking in Space would be good too.

9:13am cory:

melinda, YES!!!

9:13am Cliff:

Avatar's moving now, Ken. Along with everything else

9:14am AgentPeter:

Somewhere Ann Magnuson is smiling..

9:14am wild neil:

Is Syd Barret too obvious a suggestion?

9:14am melinda:

Nice to hear You Don't Love Me Yet. I heard the Bongwater version first and have been listening to it a lot lately.

9:14am Mark S:

Bongwater's cover of this is quite nice

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9:15am -Ken:

Aint moving for me, Cliff.

9:16am Cliff:

Yeah, at some point I'll have to do the moving version of it so everyone else can see. Because Cecile wasn't freaked out enough by the static image

9:17am Michele:

I love this song. Hi KEN! Hi everyone!

9:17am sphere:

Speaking of the Bongwater cover, there were a few really good songs on that Roky tribute CD. I was actually fond of Primal Scream's Slip Inside This House.

9:17am melinda:

Ah, there it is!

9:17am cory:

does Prince's "I Would Die 4 U" count as a drug song?

9:19am Bjarne:

request: Das Wanderlust - Humbug

9:20am wild neil:

on the train to bangkok by Rush? Get Thy Bearings by Donovan or the cover version by King Crimson (?!)

9:20am Brendan:

Hey Ken, FMU and Porcupine Tree fan here. But alas the twain rarely meet except on Irene's show. They have a number of drug inspired early tunes ... Any of the Voyage 34 tracks ( a 4 side spoken word trance prog psych documentary of a young mans acid trip) would be good fodder.

9:22am Ike:

Glob, I hate that angry texting robot.

9:22am Cliff:

Well thanks, Ken, it's time for the Ativan already.

9:22am Cecile:

Brendan good call. I like a lot of the Tree's stuff

9:22am AgentPeter:

Second best song on this soundtrack after "Circle Sky"

9:23am AgentPeter:

And another one covered well by Bongwater

9:23am Sigurður:

L ov e

9:24am Cecile:

Bevis Frond needs to be in here somewhere. Maybe a long instrumental off Superseeder.

9:24am cory:

i really like the new The Monkees album. what about you ppls?

9:24am Bjarne:

and a good morning to all of you folks.
Tuning inn from Barcelona, ready for Primavera.

9:24am sphere:

Or maybe the Dukes of Stratosphear?

9:25am Cliff:

Bardo Pond would be great too (unless we're only sticking with '60s)

9:25am Cecile:

Cliff, please don't deliberately try to freak me out.

9:25am Cliff:

Sorry, Cecile.

9:26am cory:

is 'If a 6 was a 9' too hacky?

9:26am AgentPeter:

Frijid Pink would be in order imho

9:26am Cliff:

Btw Cecile, I listened to most of your interview with Diane last night....my accent is halfway between yours and most of the FMU staff

9:26am Cecile:

S'ok!

9:27am Brendan:

But asking for an album side may be a bit much so perhaps their track (L)inton (S)amuel (D)awson.

9:28am Cliff:

"Yellow and Black and Rectangular" by Negativland is coming to mind for some reason

9:28am Cecile:

Cliff, awesome! Yeah mine's a little thick. But I sound pretty posh back home.

9:28am Jack:

Y'know, on the Dead's Aoxomoxoa album, there's a song that even the Deadheads' hate: "What's Become of The Baby?" 8:12 minutes of total psychedelic weird effects & bullshit, etc. It really sucks! Play it Ken, please? The Dead reportedly never played it live.

9:29am Marcel M:

@Cliff: Where are you from?

9:29am Cliff:

I always liked listening to Monica (from ChicAAAHgo) on Sunday evenings, after a weekend full of Nooyawkahs it was like hearing somebody normal for a change

9:29am Cecile:

Ooh how about that one horse is green song?

9:30am Cliff:

Marcel - Syracuse NY, specifically the South Side but I don't go there anymore (not even in the daytime)

9:30am Marcel M:

Word.

9:31am Cliff:

Where you from Marcel?

9:31am mink:

thx Ken, for doing ur thing. Liking the music this morning

9:31am bobdoesthings:

goodmorning.

9:31am ɍoɍo (:

Alert! Alert!

An offense was committed at 9:20 in the comment section in violation of the rule 1050(7)(J)* of the WFMU's playlist code of conduct:

* Request of a Rush song

9:32am thedunkel:

Good Morning!

9:32am melinda:

Yes to sitar rock.

9:32am wild neil:

i will second Cecile...Bevis Frond...fer sure...

9:32am Cliff:

'Twasn't me *shifty eyes*

(....but even I won't listen to 2112)

9:33am Marcel M:

@Cliff: Bergen County, NJ. Live in Brooklyn now.

9:33am Mark S:

I have read several positive reviews of Mr. Jarnows's book.

9:33am Marcel M:

Morning Bob!

9:34am Cliff:

Cool, I have no idea about the NJ locales if that's good or bad

9:34am Ike:

Youtube calls its "Dating Abuse Prevention: Textual Harassment: Angry Robot 60".

9:34am People Like Us:

you interviewed Felix Kubin!

9:35am cory:

MORE DRUGS PLZ

9:35am Ike:

*it

9:35am Cliff:

If only I could leave the drugs behind for 50 minutes at my choosing

9:35am Marcel M:

@Cliff: Its the north part thats the New York City part, not the Philly part, so its good ;-)

9:35am Marcel M:

Leave the drugs behind? Wait, what?

9:36am ɍoɍo (:

Marcel,

I have also read several reviews of Mr. Jarnows's book. All of them tested positive.

9:36am bobdoesthings:

hey marcel!

9:38am Okasa:

Hey everyone. Like, I'm working over here. Cool the drug stuff, OK?! Everyone knows drugs are bad.

9:38am Marcel M:

I'll have to pick it up!

9:38am ɍoɍo (:

It's true! There's a Felix Cubin interview somewhere in the archives!!

9:39am Cliff:

Marcel, so then that was good, then? I'm a little confused at the moment. And Ken isn't helping things with these animgifs.

9:39am Cecile:

You're gonna play Tonetta, right?

9:40am wild neil:

@oo (...ok you got me...I have NEVER heard rush on wfmu not even once. or Styx.

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9:41am -Ken:

Ooh damn Cecile! Glad you reminded me of that one.

9:41am Cecile:

Scott W played Styx

9:42am Sam:

Good morning Ken and psycho Russian grandmas

9:42am Cliff:

Hey Ken, speaking of Styx, how about that Polysics cover of "Domo Arigato Mr. Roboto"? www.youtube.com...

9:43am Marcel M:

@Cliff: New York City side of Jersey = Good. Philly side = Bad. Is that simple enough for your state?

I wish I could be there with you (have some things here that would help) but I have to stick to the green stuff. Oh how work gets in the way!

9:43am ɍoɍo (:

Funny you mention that Wild Neil, but I think once we made Nachum (?) play Rush DURING Ken's show while he was away from the mic! We conviced him Rush was one of Ken's favourite bands. Anyone remember this?

9:44am Sam:

Marcel you're right about Jersey

9:46am Cliff:

In Upstate NY it's more like any cities = bad, quaint little villages in the countryside = great!

9:46am melinda:

I think Clay P has played Styx too.

9:47am Marcel M:

@Cliff: Yeah I feel that. My parents moved way up there.

9:47am wild neil:

Clay is my hero then. UN ironically. He is so funny!

9:48am Polyus:

I seem to recall Clay trying to get Fabio to go see someone from Styx with him. Dennis DeYoung maybe?

9:50am Cliff:

Jesus Ken, what're you tryin' to do to me here?! Time for more Ativan

9:52am Cliff:

I'm going for a walk outside, be back in a few (or never, hahahahahaha!)

9:52am redkayak:

This is awesome - don't care what anyone sez ;)

9:52am ɍoɍo (:

ALERT! ALERT! WFU IS HAVING A SYSTEM FAILURE! EVACUATE!

9:53am sphere:

According to the Band Browser, WFMU has played Rush 82 times. The main culprits were Clay P, Scott Williams, and EFD.

9:53am People Like Us:

this was going to happen eventually

9:53am sphere:

or so.

9:53am People Like Us:

everyone has said so for years

9:54am Sigurður:

Worthy of...

9:55am OTB:

Did Ken play 2112 backwards a while ago? Did I just dream that?

9:55am Cliff:

"This", Vicki?

9:55am redkayak:

I like Rush.
Reminds me of my mis-spent youth :)

9:56am People Like Us:

with a small t

9:56am Cliff:

Got it

9:57am Cecile:

This is great but John Lydon with Golden Palominos ? Whew.

9:59am cory:

why didn't anyone request white punks on dope?

10:00am Cecile:

You just did ;

10:00am Marcel M:

Heroin has that off the table vibe during the psych-o-delic drug talks, doesn't it?

10:01am Marcel M:

Poor heroine..

10:01am thedunkel:

Will there be free samples at 10:30? or during Irwin's show?

10:02am blacula420:

yes hello fellow kenfrens

10:03am People Like Us:

I've set up the playlists now for OPTIMIZED now at wfmu.org...

10:04am People Like Us:

People Like Us & Mr Let's Paint will also do a concert with an in-house audience on THURSDAY 8pm at Monty Hall and Pseu Braun is doing a live DIFM

10:05am blacula420:

im really jazzed for Optimized, should be rad

10:06am Murakami Whywolf:

On the often-fascinating KCRW show "The Business" (very comparable to KSKA's "Alaskan Fishing Report") last week they spoke as if it were (TV industry) common knowledge that HBO consider "Vinyl" a disaster. www.kcrw.com... , I think about three minutes in.

10:09am ɍoɍo (:

I see there are a lot of celebrities in the Optimized extravaganza !

Osymyso, Gwilly Edmondex, Steinsky, Ergo Phizmiz! (now DW Robertson?!), Dan Deacon, Buttress O'Kneel..

Celebrities is a funny word, isn't?

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10:09am -Ken:

Of course it's a disaster. A fabulous disaster. Fabulous enough to get renewed for a second season.

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10:09am Rich in Washington:

@People Like Us: I can't wait! That all looks great!

10:10am People Like Us:

do join us for the live playlists when it's happening

10:12am melinda:

Looking forward to Optimized!

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10:14am -Ken:

Yes, Optimized is gonna be amazing. I will be VJ'ing GIFS live next Wednesday morning.. never did that before live on the radio. No more of this "one GIF per song" nonsense. Next week the gloves are off.

10:15am blacula420:

o @-Ken i know what a fan of high quality .gif art you are, i was wondering if you were familiar with the work of Colin "Zbags" Raff?

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10:16am -Ken:

Oh yes, big fan of zbags!

10:18am sphere:

eight miles high! yum.

10:18am ɍoɍo (:

PLU,

Did you read the news? What is wrong with Kraftwerk? Yesterday they lost the battle court against a rapper over sampling 2 seconds of one of their songs.

10:19am Cliff:

Hey! I'm back. Here, that is.

10:20am Cliff:

Man those Etymotics really clean out yer earholes, don't they? Yeeeughsh.

10:22am JP from KC:

Good morning, all!

10:22am Chud:

I keep hearing the Pac-Man theme

10:22am Tome:

good morning , nice version of 8 miles high - no one for redos but I love this brutal Steve Hunter version just saying > bit.ly...

10:25am Cliff:

Vicki I still can't figure out what the hell you're doing next week, but I'm sure whatever it is it'll be great! Or at least entertaining as it all goes down in flames

10:25am Tome:

...oh yEA ! ..

10:27am Cliff:

(...sorry if that sounded too ominous, didn't mean it!)

10:28am Cecile:

This is great!

10:29am Marcel M:

Where's this drug talk? I gotta leave soon!

10:29am bobdoesthings:

what a title on this comp..

10:30am Cliff:

Thank you Ken! Always loved this song

10:30am MONEYBAG$:

Feeling the sudden urge to watch Slap Shot

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10:31am JtotheK:

'Gotta Give Her Love' by The Volumes has a similar hook and when I hear one song I think of the other. Hi everyone.

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10:32am -Ken:

Jesse OD'ed a little but he's OK. Just give the atropine another song or two to kick in.

10:32am foofs:

Genuine heart leap when this came on! ♥

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10:33am JtotheK:

Whoa. Thanks Ken!

10:33am ɍoɍo (:

Cliff,

I think WFMU should keep going ahead and experiment with video. There's a huge potential in the far future for WFMU to turn itself into a free-form media channel (rather than just radio). Then again I one of those that thinks WFMU should be a global radio station or at the very least, an Internet based radio catering different markets.

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10:33am -Ken:

Good call JtotheK!

10:33am Cliff:

Ken always comes supplied for every situation

10:34am Cliff:

ɍoɍo I agree with you completely and was completely being totally unserious before. Duuude.

10:35am 3rdAFCrewChief:

Good Morning

10:37am ɍoɍo (:

Oh, yeah! Give me high five, Cliff!

10:37am geegee vindaloo:

ghost in my house...

10:38am Brendan:

This surf rock is Maui wowee

10:38am Cliff:

DOWN LOW!

10:38am Cliff:

How's that Atropine going, Ken?

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10:39am -Ken:

I think I got a bum ampule of atropine but he's breathing so it's all good.

10:40am Cliff:

Well this oughta some interview then, huh?

10:42am Cliff:

At least get the needle out of his arm before the paramedics show up.

10:44am steve:

wow, i wanna hear Nachum's interview with the Trump spokesman

10:44am Murakami Whywolf:

What was the JM in the AM Trumpeter interview like?

10:45am blacula420:

"a dollar sign wrapped in tinfoil because the guy was a huge fan of Ayn Rand" fuck i died loling

10:46am Marcel M:

Everyone is too drugged up now to listen to the interview.

10:46am Cliff:

Oh yeah, 50's psychedelia is *so* much more interesting than the 60's version, because nobody quite knew what they were dealing with yet

10:46am ɍoɍo (:

Link to buy the book

Heads: A Biography of Psychedelic America

https://www.amazon.com/Heads-Biography-Psychedelic-Jesse-Jarnow/dp/0306822555

10:47am Cliff:

Btw, Jean-Paul Sartre tried mescaline back in the 30's or 40's, and had a very bad experience. That may be the original origins of Existentialist philosophy.

10:47am Murakami Whywolf:

Didn't Luce believe that LSD should be restricted to rich people, much like the Eleusinian Mysteries?

10:48am Tome:

THAT blackout was Nov 9, 1965 ..

10:48am Cliff:

Also Aleister Crowley had numerous experiences with mescaline, and wrote up an entire book about it. But all copies seem to have been lost after WWII.

10:49am Murakami Whywolf:

I think Leary did more harm than good, though I'm unsure of whether Weil should have grassed on him or not...what does Mr Jarnow think?

10:51am blacula420:

I read a while ago that almost all the LSD in the US in the late 50s came from the CIA buying it from Sandoz and encouraging Eli-Lilly to break the trade patent to make it faster for them

10:51am Cliff:

Oh you gotta love Stanford and their experiments on their students

10:51am Dean:

At what point did Salt Lake City become the HQ for LSD?

10:51am melinda:

'Liberated' it from the supply closet, haha!

10:52am Cliff:

That ethos still lives on in contemporary Silicon Valley culture....they're experimenting and collecting data on all of us!

10:52am Dean:

Stewart Brand: Long Now Foundation

10:52am ɍoɍo (:

Cliff,

Very interesting. The most recent and serious scientific study about LSD (published just few weeks ago) describes the processes that occur in the brain when a user experiments the 'I'm one with the world' feeling. Apparently an area in the brain that controls our personal identity turns off under the LSD infuience.

10:53am blacula420:

so tru Cliff, so tru

10:53am melinda:

@Cliff: true!

10:54am Marcel M:

Hahaha... this is awesome.

10:54am blacula420:

REALITY, man

10:54am Murakami Whywolf:

"Pammy's on a Bummer"?

10:55am Cliff:

"Whaddya think, cartwheels?"
"Sugarcubes."

10:55am Marcel M:

Do you think a lot of kids starting eating plain sugar cubes after that?

10:55am blacula420:

strung out on sugarcubes, you monster

10:56am Cliff:

Yes ɍoɍo, I know of some of that research....have to take it with a grain of salt though, a lot of it ends up being modern-day Phrenology

10:57am Murakami Whywolf:

Were psychedelics treated differently because they were initially thought to be a white persons' drug?

10:57am Chud:

'STP' with Jack Nicholson is the best freakout film

10:58am Cliff:

STP is actually another name for DOB, which is a mescaline analogue not LSD. But ya know, whatever, it all gets you to the same place! Though it might take you a bit longer to get back out

10:59am blacula420:

i thought STP was DOM

10:59am Alfredo Garcia:

www.youtube.com...

10:59am blacula420:

that whole family of DOx chemicals kinda freaks me out honestly

10:59am Cliff:

You're right blacula420! I got my psychedelic amphetamines mixed up.

11:00am JoeRay:

When I was a kid I remember the Art Linkletter blamed LSD for his daughter's suicide. Years later, I read that was a totally bogus story.

11:00am Murakami Whywolf:

David Talbot, in "Season of the Witch", mentions an honest-to-God C.I.A. psychiatrist who took-up residence in the Haight in the late '60s to do informal experiments.

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11:00am Guido from Cologne:

I immediately ordered the book from amazon right now

11:01am JoeRay:

Any connection between synth pioneer Don Buchla and LSD?

11:02am blacula420:

Beware the fish that smiles: he may be trying to spike you with acid

11:03am Marcel M:

This is great! Will have to listen later. Bye all!

11:03am blacula420:

also you can still buy pretty legit "Orange Sunshine" branded LSD, dosed to something like 300 micrograms per hit, on tor markets

11:03am Murakami Whywolf:

High-quality (or so I was told, I was too scared to try it) acid was still around Caltech in the late '70s and early '80s. Lab equipment, well-distributed master keys or lock-picking knowledge, good training...or just maybe good off-campus contacts.

11:04am Cliff:

And you can even buy 125ugs ALD-52 on the clearnet! (I should know!)

11:04am Okasa:

This is fascinating…

11:05am ɍoɍo (:

Have anyone of you noticed that the initial letters of The Beatle's song 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds' form the acrostic "LSD"? Yup. You heard it here first.

11:06am NotABomberISwear:

I grabbed my copy of the anachrists cookbook in Forbidden Planet, the comic store on union square

11:06am Cliff:

I wasn't "microdosing" this morning, that's fer shure!! HAHAHAHA!!!

11:06am cory:

i think it's 25 micrograms

11:08am wild neil:

Wetlands had a lecture about this back in late 80s. It blew my mind that the army tested lsd.

11:08am melinda:

I didn't know that about Stewart Brand either.

11:08am blacula420:

i totally shoulda eaten half a tab for breakfast in light of this momentous interview

11:08am melinda:

Ant Farm, yeah.

11:08am JP from KC:

Ugh. the online market scares me. You need all this technical knowledge, be bitcoin savvy, and you have to take all kinds of precautions with internet security... exhausting. I just want to have a guy I can text...

11:09am Murakami Whywolf:

Don't forget the Phone Phreaks.

11:09am Cliff:

And the DARPAnet was originally invented as a communications network that could survive a nuclear attack. Gotta love that Cold-War paranoia!

11:10am Polyus:

Realizing that I am the most square person I know.

11:10am Cliff:

Always good to plan ahead, blacula420

11:10am βrian:

Is acid what made deadheads dance so oddly?

11:10am blacula420:

it's not too bad JP, the hardest part is probably learning how to use PGP to sign emails and making sure your tor setup is "fail closed" and not "fail open", also learning how/where to buy BTC with cash, otherwise the freakiest part is how straitforward and normal it is lol

11:11am Cliff:

JP from KC - if you avoid the chemicals that are clearly in Schedule I or II, it's mostly low-risk

11:12am JP from KC:

@Cliff: But those are the best chemicals!!

11:12am Cliff:

So why did Steve Jobs turn into such a megalomaniac?

11:13am P-90:

The one-off special publication The Whole Earth Catalog did that Ken is thinking if may have been the one called "Signal"?

11:14am Cliff:

In some cases I'd beg to differ JP!

11:14am blacula420:

that's actually supposedly a really common effect of long-term/regular acid droppin, it tends to make you really egotistical over time, there's some conspiracy theory that the CIA soaked the radical student left in acid purposely to encourage them to eat themselves w/ egotistical faction infighting

11:14am JP from KC:

I just wish I had someone to walk me through it. Or better yet, in true Millenial fashion, someone I could pay a little extra to do it for me.

11:14am Cliff:

(Those cases being LSD analogues)

11:14am βrian:

I'm reminded of the L.S.Delight sandwich at Pizza Bob's in Ann Arbor.

11:15am rsj:

they should be starting to feel it pretty good right about now

11:16am βrian:

What was the muse that inspired William Shatner's musical oeuvre?

11:17am melinda:

Good question, Brian.

11:17am PKNY:

G. Gordon Liddy!

11:17am Cliff:

He had a terrible problem with alcoholism later in life. I think anyone who does psychedelics long-term ends up with an addiction to some sort of depressants, either alcohol, benzos, or opiates.

11:18am Close Listener:

It was G. Gordon Liddy, not Haldeman.

11:18am Tim:

G Gordon Liddy!

11:18am OTB:

Brian - I think it was Shatner's ego.

11:18am Murakami Whywolf:

Many charlatans con themselves first. (Leary debated G. G. Luddy.)

11:19am Irwin:

It was rat connoisseur G. Gordon Liddy.

11:19am V Priceless:

yeah, Liddy - there's a film doc about it

11:19am joe Ray:

G. Gordon Liddy busted Leary and later did a debate tour. They became friends of sorts

11:20am cory:

did Mr. Jarnow find anything related to the Franklin coverup/Larry King sex ring?

11:21am Mutant:

I saw that debate tour! Crazy.

11:21am herb.nyc:

(aside - i just tuned in, then heard "east coast - west coast" comment. which made me think of canadian bands SLOAN and NEW PORNOGRAPHERS and how they were doing a rap style east - west coast war. 2nd aside - Monkees are at Town Hall tonight. worth going? excuse me for OT.)

11:21am Mike Sin:

Does Jesse address such developments as "salvia" and such?

11:22am melinda:

Interesting bit about WFMU's phone phreaking history.

11:22am Ike:

Audio editing over the phone?!? Wow. Just wow.

11:22am blacula420:

dude Draper is so burnt out and crazy these days, he's like uncomfortable to talk to in person

11:22am Dean:

2600

11:22am Cliff:

Salvia was something I only had to try once.

11:23am MenfussMike:

just tuning in....any mention of Terrance McKenna?

11:23am Murakami Whywolf:

"Midnight Voice Jail"?

11:23am cory:

Ken, have you ever done your show tripping?

11:23am cory:

set and setting, ken.

11:23am Dean:

Sixth time is the charm?

11:23am Cliff:

Awww jeeez Ken, so sorry to hear that!
(This is something like my 400th time this morning)

11:24am ilovenon:

don't cancel Dr Gameshow #savedrgameshow

11:24am herb.nyc:

(aside - this phone phreaking stuff reminds me of someone doing a vid-b'cast thing. he'd play a vhs, for inst, and put an fm dipole antenna(?) on the output. or something like that. then those in the very near areas could tune in.)

11:24am Jack:

Ken, I guarentee if you trip with me you'd have a good trip.

11:24am blacula420:

aw man Ken, u must come up to the glorious and stately castle of Lord Blacula420 in the lovely New Jersey mountains and get dosed one weekend [allegedly]

11:25am MONEYBAG$:

There needs to be a 7SD on LSD episode

11:25am Jack:

Ken, I guarentee if you trip with me you'd have a good trip.

11:25am βrian:

I've heard that it's critical to be outside and not in an urban environment.

11:25am 1ke:

Wait, even KEN hasn't had a good experience with psychs? That makes me really terrified to ever try it. One of my experiences w/edibles was awful enough. (I have a weird brain.)

11:26am cory:

i've tripped inside many times, no bummers yet

11:26am Vilma Kaplan:

It's all about set and setting. I've had great trips at shows with 100s of people, great ones outside on the beach too.

11:26am Cliff:

I think it's just that Ken has a unique brain, 1ke.

11:27am A Better Me:

Best bet for those resistant to positive trips: throw a little mdma in the mix.

11:27am Listener Paul:

There's a movie of the G. Gordon Liddy/Timothy Leary debates. I think it's called return engagement or something like that.

11:27am Cliff:

Yeah, that's awful Ken.

11:27am cory:

oh fuck

11:27am Jack:

I prefer outside, daytime, in or near nature. Nighttime is OK but with more visual hallucinations.

11:28am blacula420:

jesus that sounds like the worst lol

11:28am Cliff:

I always have to trip during the daytime nowadays, those 3a.m. loner trips in your bedroom can be a real bummer

11:28am cory:

you've talked to your therapist about that i hope

11:28am Murakami Whywolf:

Ribert Anton Wilsin claimed that he turned-on Madison Avenue c.1967.

11:28am Michele:

That haunted house story!!!

11:28am Cliff:

Yes, morning glory seeds are real, you have to do a cold-water extraction

11:28am JP from KC:

Morning glory seeds are the worst. In taste and experience.

11:29am MenfussMike:

REAL salvia is DEFINITELY a psych. i once saw rows of colorful life savers hopping on my table like a slinky.

11:29am bobdoesthings:

you need to get salvia divinorum extract... the salvia in the stores is just the plant which is a form of sage I think..

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11:29am Ken From Hyde Park:

On the subject of books, with Dave Hill on his book tour, Mayuko has done a fine job of filling in. Danne D also stops by and they chit-chat for a spell. Also, happy birthday, Amy Shumer.

11:29am Cliff:

"Bananadine!" Bwahahaha!

11:30am blacula420:

Bufo Alvarius is the trippy toad u can milk for DMT

11:30am ɍoɍo (:

If you turn upside down the 7 from 7SD it becomes LSD.

11:30am cory:

DMT?

11:30am A Better Me:

You guys see the Alex Grey project "Entheon"? Seems like a great place to have an adventure... once its built.

11:30am βrian:

@MenfussMike: I think that's due to the moth larvae within ...

11:30am Tim:

Do you guys think that mushrooms/Psilocybin will be legalized someday in the future in the states like Colorado or Washington?

11:30am MenfussMike:

LSD is your friend.

11:31am melinda:

The vomiting part of ayahuasca sounds awful.

11:31am Cliff:

Much respect for Ayahuasca, but not touching it myself. That stuff opens up the sluices on both ends simultaneously :/

11:31am blacula420:

ya, they have a gland that produces 5-MEO-DMT, you can like squeeze them to milk it out and then dry it and smoke it, it's supposedly strong as shit

11:31am Jack:

You guys are hitting all the bases...how about Datura? or nutmeg?

11:31am Cliff:

Actually harmine/harmaline is the main ingredient in traditional Ayahausca preparations, while DMT is considered an admixture

11:31am P-90:

Morning Glory seeds contain lysergic acid, which can produce a mild effect even when not converted to the LSD form. Hippies used to order the seeds by the case from Burpee and the the other big mail-order seed suppliers.

11:32am cory:

you've just sold me on DMT

11:32am sphere:

a friend of mine works at the National Archives and he showed me a clip of a regiment that was dosed with LSD and told to march in circles (until they saw an effect of course). All of a sudden, the regiment went from order to chaos in a minute.

11:32am MONEYBAG$:

I knew some kids who tried to get high on nutmeg in high school

11:33am Cliff:

Nutmeg, ha! That was my first drug experience!

11:33am Chud:

I think that DMT needs a MAO Inhibitor to not be metabolized too quickly as in Ayahuasca

11:33am herb.nyc:

i'm a straight arrow so can't relate to this drug talk, but very very interesting. i did get a $1 copy of Paul Krassner's "One Hand Jerking: Reports From an Investigative Satirist," and so inhaled some, figuratively, while reading.

11:33am MenfussMike:

Quaaludes are cool

11:34am blacula420:

dude raw nutmeg is such a brutal experience lol

11:34am PKNY:

Robin Quivers from the Stern show did ayahuasca, her experience with it is a running joke on the show.

11:34am nickrhombi:

late to the party here.. just wondering what the hell i was taking in the 80s... the 4 ways.. the the 'double barrel' red and purple microdots... because i strongly doubt that it was lsd. - id like to know what those little cylinders 'mescaline' pills were, before they were soaked in whatever....

11:34am Murakami Whywolf:

I read that the whole banana-peel thing was initially a hack designed to demonstrate how much people wanted a legal way to get high.

11:35am Michael 98145:

I can still hear the chant. "Turn On. Tune In. Drop Out."

11:35am Cliff:

Sage is good to burn if you're feeling anxious, it calms the mind and clears the area

11:35am blacula420:

there used to be some similar "legal high" rumor about smoking peanut skins to trip or something when i was in school

11:35am Cliff:

And it makes everything smell like New Mexico

11:36am Cliff:

Good god, I remember that bath salt episode of 7SD Ken.

11:36am Tim:

I once had to translate Chinese / English & vice versa during a science conference / meeting while very, very, very high... In The PRC in the late 80's Not a great idea.

11:37am JP from KC:

Aaaand now I just want to trip. Not that I didn't before.

11:37am Murakami Whywolf:

Morning glory seeds are typically sold with pesticides on; best to let them germinate, grow, flower, then collect the seeds.

11:38am Cliff:

General rule of thumb with psychedelics: Don't have anything important to do for the next 12 hours, don't drive and don't operate heavy machinery (that includes kitchenware, gotta keep those fingers intact!)

11:38am blacula420:

i was doing a bunch of methylone for a few months like 2 years ago, it burnt me out pretty hard and queered me off dope in general for a while

11:38am V Priceless:

Cary Grant used LSD in therapy to 'find himself'

11:39am acid casualty:

Dmt is everywhere, even in our own brains

11:39am Cliff:

blacula420 - methylone and things similar to MDMA you have to limit yourself to once a month at the most, or you'll get burned-out pretty quickly like you said.

11:39am nickrhombi:

>>acid casualty: where is the mdma?

11:39am ?:

what are micro dots?

11:39am Murakami Whywolf:

Cliff:
Yes, just because you think you've got a few extra fingers, don't suppose you can happily lose a few.

11:40am Cliff:

Guys you all know about Bluelight.org right? Go check them out if you don't

11:40am Cliff:

They already mentioned Erowid.org

11:40am Jack:

In high school I had to see the school psychologist: her name was Alice DiMartino. (LSD martino)

11:41am blacula420:

ya, I don't trust any of the MDMA analogs anymore really, too sketchy for me, also godamn when did bluelight get a real .org domain? they were on .ru forever

11:41am Cliff:

acid casualty - which makes it really ironic that Congress banned it in 1970!

11:42am Cliff:

blacula420 - it was a couple years ago I think, yeah I remember they were on .ru back in the day

11:42am Opal:

NYU Langone is on 1st ave and 33rd st. Tuned in from a lab at Langone now!

11:42am Dean:

Emily Dickinson's poetry: synaesthesia, baby!

11:42am blacula420:

Church of Sacred Mirrors, it's a huge farm compound/sculpture garden they have in Wappinger NY, really rad place

11:43am P-90:

Janniger was the respected psychiatrist who administered LSD to many movie business figures (while it was still legal and distributed to professionals by the pharmaceutical company Sandoz) including writers, producers, actors (like Cary Grant) etc.

11:43am Mike East:

dang, I'm late...Salvia Divinorum was the first "psychedelic" I ever did.

11:43am Cliff:

And yeah, they don't call it "Ecstasy" for nothing....but Suicide Tuesdays are a real thing too

11:43am blacula420:

suicide tuesday is _so_ real

11:44am Murakami Whywolf:

Amanda Feilding, Countess of Wemyss and March, has some interesting things to say about psychedelics, though she's not as forthcoming on trepanation these days: www.philosophytalk.org... .

11:44am JP from KC:

I've had to pee for half an hour. This conversation is just way too interesting to walk away.

11:44am A Better Me:

Great research by Robin Carhart-Harris just recently on mushrooms being effective therapy for treatment resistant depression.

11:44am Cliff:

Yep, I've been there. Don't need to go back anytime soon

11:47am John Mark:

This is just lovely. Thanks for this conversation.

11:48am cory:

is there a link for this book? i'm lazy

11:48am Listener Scott:

Don't recall the DQ but I grew up in Levittown/Hicksville on LI and there was an ice cream truck, appropriately named "SID's" that sold acid. I think he was eventually arrested.

11:48am Cliff:

"Spice" is analog cannibinoids, quite easy to overdose on and have panic attacks (in some cases apparently leading to suicide).

11:48am Mike East:

I just glanced at an old journal last weekend that my 11 year old pulled outta my mom's basement where I scribbled some frantic notes about thinking I was having a psychotic break on some mushrooms...I told my kid to put it back where she got it.

11:49am KMart:

You should point out to the kids listening Spice is horrible toxic chemicals from China...

11:49am melinda:

@cory: there's a link buried in the comments somewhere.

11:49am ɍoɍo (:

Economical impact of today's show.

Sales ranks BEFORE the interview
Heads book #10,101 (Amazon)
LSD Microdosage kit #809 (Dark Web)

Sales rank AFTER the interview
Heads book #10,098 (Amazon)
LSD Microdosage kit #100 (Dark Web)

11:49am Murakami Whywolf:

The Subgenius blotters were likely from San Francisco, contact was made there with Dallas very early on. (Bay Area radio has three Subgenius shows, Puzzling Evidence on KPFA and RadioValencia.fm, "Ask Dr Hal" with cartoonist/savant Hal Robins on the latter.)

11:50am Cliff:

Bufo Alvarius is also the name of a Bardo Pond album I believe

11:50am steve:

alright, im getting the book

11:50am MenfussMike:

Bufo Alvarius....Set and Setting...2 good Bardo Pond albums.

11:50am Cliff:

Datura is another one I'm never gonna touch.

11:51am Jack:

The most horrible of horrible drug stories I have ever heard were about Datura.

11:51am rsj:

cough syrup!

11:51am cory:

roboing is horrid

11:52am Cliff:

Dature and other deliriants can cause actual, waking hallucinations, where you think you're wandering through an enchanted forest but actually you're weaving down a 4-lane highway in midday traffic

11:52am cory:

such a dirty high. i couldn't handle it

11:52am melinda:

Damn, I work Sundays or I'd go to the Portland ME event.

11:53am Cliff:

Thanks for the interview Jesse & Ken!

11:53am Cliff:

You're about to get another sale Jesse!

11:53am melinda:

I've only heard that Datura is poisonous and should be avoided, I didn't know people tried to get high from it.

11:54am Dean:

OT: Phil Gelb featured at NPR -- http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/05/20/478244368/an-underground-supper-club-where-music-moves-the-menu

The Lake and Dresser shows were super.

11:54am Officer Pupp:

I just ordered - Amazon UK though...

11:54am blacula420:

this has been a FANTASTIC show + interview, i'm definitely getting a copy of the book

11:54am bobdoesthings:

wow.. such a great interview! that was great. thanks so much both of ya!!

11:55am cory:

just site messaged you JP

11:55am herb.nyc:

i'm really sorry, i shoulda bought Jesse's book at housing works used book cafe. i had seen a reviewer's copy on shelf, $5, and there was also a 30% sale, 2 or 3 months ago.

11:55am Cliff:

melinda, yes, stay the fuck away from Datura.

11:55am Murakami Whywolf:

Hal Robins would probably _love_ to have Mr Jarnow on, he had a toad guy on for ninety minutes a few months back; I know Robins only slightly, contacting him via RadioValencia.fm should work.

11:55am Sam:

Don't you remember Steal This Book? You're not supposed to care about your ranking on Amazon, that's like totally selling out, man.

11:55am Jeathrow:

Great show! Look up Leah Betts...
Moral panic in 1995 about ecstasy in the UK. She didn't die from MDMA but from water overdose...

11:56am cory:

thanks for the great show ken and jesse!

11:56am MONEYBAG$:

The book is GREAT!

11:56am Murakami Whywolf:

Hal Robins would probably _love_ to have Mr Jarnow on, he had a toad guy on for ninety minutes a few months back; I know Robins only slightly, contacting him via RadioValencia.fm should work.

11:56am Cliff:

Amanita Muscaria would've been another fun one to ask about, but that's more of a Siberian shaman thing, hasn't really caught on much here in the US

11:57am DEA covert agent:

Thanks again for participating in Operation Honey-pot, Mr Freedman.

Operation was a success. We got everybody's IP addresses!

11:57am Dean:

Steal This Book was so fun.

11:57am melinda:

Great interview, thanks!

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11:57am -Ken:

Thanks everybody!! Till next week.

11:57am Cliff:

I wonder if Olga's ever tried Amanita.

11:57am Cliff:

Thanks again Ken & Jesse!

11:58am Murakami Whywolf:

Y'know, the Fugs always seemed to me to be a group I was _supposed_ to like, but it's now clear to me that they're not even my preferred type of ugly.

11:58am blacula420:

i wanna get high on wasp venom - be good Ken, thx for the best radio as always

11:58am Cliff:

Oh and I was blatantly lying about everything the whole time, Mr. Scary DEA Agent. I promise.

11:58am Cecile:

I had to take a nap because of my asthma and this was the background to some nice dreams. And I feel a little better!

11:58am V Priceless:

thanks Ken! Looking forward to reading Jesse's book! Cheers!

11:58am Cliff:

Please put that tazer away now.

11:59am Dean:

I got yer IP address right here.

12:00pm blacula420:

i am Detective Blacula of the Internet Police - Backtracing Division, ur so fucked kid

12:00pm Mike East:

I concur - great interview, Ken.

12:00pm cory:

@DEA, if you want i'll just give you my street addy. wait nvm, just ask the NSA for it