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Listener comments!
	9:02am listener james from westwood: Hey hey, Jeff and Jeff! I just paid my quarterly taxes, so can you play something soothing?
	9:04am Jeff Golick: Ooof and you got it, @listener james.
	9:05am listener james from westwood: Ah, yes, this will do nicely.
	🥁 9:07am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...tuned in but goin' back to bed - ECM will do nicely yeah - but play whatcha want!...
	9:09am Jeff Golick: G'morning/g'night @rev rabbit.
	🥁 9:16am duke: Good morning Jeffs and not so Jeffs
	🥁 9:17am doctorjazz: Hi all.
	9:17am Jeff Golick: How do, @duke?
	9:18am Jeff Golick: Hello, @doctorjazz!
	9:26am doca: Hi, all!
	9:30am Jeff Golick: Hiya, @doca!
	9:34am holland oats: d:o! peoples! trilling trillers!
	9:35am Artie Haywire: Aaaaah!
	9:35am Artie Haywire: Oh No - Spiders!!
	9:36am listener james from westwood: The film playing in my head to this Lurie track is sweetly romantic and comical.
	🥁 9:37am doctorjazz: This Lurie is GREAT!
	9:37am Jeff Golick: oats of holland! haywire goes artie! hi there.
	9:38am AndrewC.: Must be a jeunet/caro in the Parisienne sewers.
	9:40am Jeff Golick: Hi hi hi, @AndrewC.! Please to translate?
	🥁 9:42am doctorjazz: Fabulous set, some Henry Threadgill seems like it would fit...
	9:42am AndrewC.: I'm thinking of the film in LJFW's head.
	9:43am Jeff Golick: Aha!
	9:45am listener james from westwood: @AndrewC: It gets a bit sad in the third reel, so have tissues ready.
	9:48am AndrewC.: Thanks for the warning. It doesn't take much to make me cry at a movie.
	🥁 9:56am doctorjazz: So I went to Amazon to look at the Robert Ottaviano music available (these shows do that to me), most of his music must be out of print, at least in the US, just about everything is $35-50 a cd. Sad...
	10:09am Jeff J: Morning to one and all!
	10:11am Jeff Golick: The internet giveth, and the internet taketh away, sometimes, @doctorjazz.
	10:13am Jeff Golick: Ribot, btw, recently wrote an open letter to Steve Albini, re some comments Albini made in an interview: www.stereogum.com...
	10:17am Jeff J: Nice letter by Ribot. He makes great points. I know he's been struggling to fund another recording, which is sad.
	10:19am Jeff J: John Zorn has listed Mauricio Kagel as among his biggest and most important early influences, particularly his run of DG albums from the 1970s, many of which remain stubbornly OOP.
	🥁 10:21am doctorjazz: I go both ways on streaming...I use TIDAL to listen to new stuff or playlists, which I'll then use to explore and buy music I might have not heard otherwise. I can see at home, though, my wife and daughters, feel like there is no reason in the world anyone would want to actually buy a cd/lp/download now that it can be streamed. With the pay mechanisms currently in place for paying the artists, it must be really hard on most. Ribot is great, should be able to get his music out...
	10:27am Jeff Golick: I think Albini was talking about the inevitability of streaming -- we're not going to put the genie back in the bottle. I'd be interested to hear what he thinks of the way artists are compensated for their work on streaming services... I'm guessing Albini and Ribot are closer than their two pieces would indicate. As a fan, I'd certainly prefer to see both of these people on the same side of the barricade.
	🥁 10:29am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...still listening...today's the day FMU takes its' monthly shekel from my account...just pointing that out...Yeah - interesting: wasn't that Albini I saw in the 'Copyright Criminals' doc? He was calling b.s. on sampling in that - but @ the end said there's too many lawyers in everything as it is (paraphrasing)...
	10:30am Jeff J: @doctorjazz - I think most people use streaming services the way your wife and daughters do. Almost everyone I know who's a music fan has stopped buying anything and just streams it. And if it's not on streaming, it's like it doesn't exist. Albini makes most of his money from production work so I'm betting he has less skin in the game than Ribot (and most working musicians).
	🥁 10:36am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: That's a point! As for streaming - my ISP (the hated ComCast) gets my pints of blood every month - & I frankly ain't got a lot for anybody else after that - so that's who gets (all of) that money...
	10:50am AndrewC.: I don't have time to listen to any streming services apart from FMU.
	10:54am Jeff Golick: I'm with you, @AndrewC. I feel like I barely have enough time to listen to FMU shows and plan this one.
	🥁 10:56am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - largely true AndrewC! Many podcasts I love go ignored. I think of Dylan stealing Guthrie records out of need, & George Harrison saying they couldn't get a cup of sugar much less a Rock record - & how my choices now are like a gushing firehose I can't control! Some backlash w/ 'artisanal' vinyl... ...methinks perhaps the larger issue of the great recession - & wealth inequality has people squabbling over crumbs? Fewer own more, in all areas of society ; labels, radio stations owned by faceless beancounters who neither know nor care about arts, artists, audience or the tech used for it...It's out of synch. Here w/ are - Free Form, listener supported: crowd sourced...
	10:58am Dean: Catching up on the playlist and the comments, I'd say Ribot gets the better of the argument, but neither really captures the nuances of IP or copyright. For example, both should know that "ideas" are not at all subject to copyright. It's the "once expressed" (in a tangible medium) part that federal law governs. It's cute that Albini thinks he's not part of "the music industry" because that's how he "feels." I wonder how he "feels" about capitalism.
	10:59am Dean: Meanwhile, I feel like I'm enjoying this new Steve Coleman.
	🥁 11:07am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes - enjoying! - & yes - if Albini's point was we won't put the genie back in the bottle - that's maybe 1/2 of what he said...
	11:13am Jeff Golick: Hi, Dean!
	11:24am Dean: The cover on that Kagel DG release is a sight to behold: http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/imgs/s200x200/4777095.jpg
	11:27am Dean: Also, it's curious that DG lists Kagel among the "Artists," but not the "Composers." A keyword search for "kagel" generates two additional hits in the catalog.
	11:30am Jeff Golick: Yikes. That is a sight, Dean. Though I've been looking at this one: www.discogs.com...
	11:30am Jeff J: That is odd, Dean. He was known as someone who used theatrical conventions in his pieces and thought about performance quite a bit. But he was very much a composer. And yes, many of Kagel's DG covers are wonderful.
	11:33am Dean: Ah, a different recording. I was struck by the fact of Portal's and Globokar's participation on "Exotica."
	11:33am Jeff J: Wonderfully odd - green face paint in a weird not-glam mode.
	11:34am Dean: More fun pix: http://www.discogs.com/Mauricio-Kagel-Exotica-F%C3%BCr-Aussereurop%C3%A4ische-Instrumente/release/934272 Click on cover to view!
	11:35am Jeff Golick: Might be the same rec., differently packaged...
	11:36am Jeff Golick: I like the donut eyes the best, I think, Dean.
	11:37am Dean: Now it's not clear to me whether "Tactil" is on "Exotica." Maybe the two recordings were reissued together. DG used to do stuff like that. D'Angelo has certainly internalized Eno/Byrne's "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts."
	11:40am Jeff J: D'Angelo internalized quite a bit for his new record - Al Green, Prince, Funkadelic, Fishbone, Eno/Byrne, PE, Sly Stone, etc etc. Really impressive work and there's apparently 30-40 more cuts that are almost finished.
	11:42am holland oats: YES. YES IT IS.
	11:45am Jeff Golick: Anyone listen to that Funkadelic cut on headphones? Someone went a little nutty on the L/R phasing.
	11:46am Dean: Free Your Left Ear and Your Right Ear Will Follow
	11:46am Jeff Golick: Precisely.
	11:50am Jeff Golick: Get ready to cool off in the next room with Amanda Nazario and the Nazario Scenario, starting at the top of the hour here: www.wfmu.org...
	11:55am listener james from westwood: Ahhh, post-tax cooldown achieved. Thanks muchly, gents!
	11:56am Amanda: Hey guise!
	11:56am Jeff Golick: 'manda!
	11:57am Jeff Golick: Glad to hear it, @ljfw!
	11:58am Jesse K: thanks Jeffs!
	🥁 11:59am duke: Thank you Jeffs. Had to be on the phone for much, but enjoyed what I could listen to.
	12:00pm Santos L Halper: Thanks Jeffs!
	12:00pm Jeff J: Thanks to everyone for joining us!
	🥁 12:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thx Jeffs!
	12:01pm Jeff Golick: Hey, Jesse K! Thanks, @duke, @Santos L Halper, @Rev Rabbit!

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June 10, 2015: Practicing our Kagels

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments
Roscoe Mitchell	Tatas-Matoes "Tatas-Matoes" by "Roscoe Mitchell"	Congliptious	Nessa	1968
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	The Singles	Evidence	1974/1996
Codona	New Light "New Light" by "Codona"	Codona	ECM	1979
Wadada Leo Smith's Golden Quartet	The Zamzam Well a Stream of Pure Light	The Year of the Elephant	Pi Recordings	2002
Lucas Niggli Big Zoom	Nirvana "Nirvana" by "Lucas Niggli Big Zoom"	Polisation	Intakt	2010
Evan Lurie	Tarantella "Tarantella" by "Evan Lurie"	Selling Water by the Side of the River	Antilles	1990
Robert Ottaviano * Six Mobiles	I X Love	Mingus: Portrait in Six Colors	Splasc(h)	1988
Music behind DJ: John Cale & Terry Riley	Church of Anthrax
Dave Holland/Sam Rivers	Waterfall	Dave Holland/Sam Rivers	Improvising Artists Inc.	1976
Music behind DJ: Booker T. & the MG's	Melting Pot "Melting Pot" by "Booker T. & the MG's"
Marc Ribot	Solitude "Solitude" by "Marc Ribot"	Don't Blame Me	DIW	1995
Mauricio Kagel	Tactil (Für Drei)	Tactil / Unter Strom	Deutsche Grammophon	1974	rec. 1970
"Blue" Gene Tyranny	Intuition "Intuition" by ""Blue" Gene Tyranny"	Detours	Unseen Worlds	2012
Matthew Shipp's New Orbit	New Orbit	New Orbit	thirsty ear	2001
Music behind DJ: Natural Food	Fair Breeze on Buzzard's Bay
Steve Coleman and the Council of Balance	Synovial Joints - Part I: Hand and Wrist	Synovial Joints	Pi Recordings	2015
Steve Coleman and the Council of Balance	Synovial Joints - Part II: Hip and Shoulder	Synovial Joints	Pi Recordings	2015
Steve Coleman and the Council of Balance	Synovial Joints - Part III: Torso	Synovial Joints	Pi Recordings	2015
Steve Coleman and the Council of Balance	Synovial Joints - Part IV: Head and Neck	Synovial Joints	Pi Recordings	2015
Music behind DJ: Coyote Image Classic	untitled "untitled" by "Coyote Image Classic"
Marcus Belgrave	Space Odyssey "Space Odyssey" by "Marcus Belgrave"	Gemini	Tribe	1974
Shabazz Palaces	New Black Wave "New Black Wave" by "Shabazz Palaces"	Lese Majesty	Sub Pop	2014
Erykah Badu	Soldier "Soldier" by "Erykah Badu"	New Amerykah: Part One (4th World War)	Universal Motown	2007
D'Angelo and The Vanguard	1000 Deaths	Black Messiah	RCA	2014
Funkadelic	I Wanna Know If It's Good To You?	Free Your Mind and Your Ass Will Follow	Westbound	1970
Wicked Witch	X Rated "X Rated" by "Wicked Witch"	Chaos 1978-86	EM Records
Marcus Belgrave	Odom's Cave "Odom's Cave" by "Marcus Belgrave"	Gemini	Tribe	1974
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975

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Listener comments!
	9:02am listener james from westwood: Hey hey, Jeff and Jeff! I just paid my quarterly taxes, so can you play something soothing?
	9:04am Jeff Golick: Ooof and you got it, @listener james.
	9:05am listener james from westwood: Ah, yes, this will do nicely.
	🥁 9:07am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...tuned in but goin' back to bed - ECM will do nicely yeah - but play whatcha want!...
	9:09am Jeff Golick: G'morning/g'night @rev rabbit.
	🥁 9:16am duke: Good morning Jeffs and not so Jeffs
	🥁 9:17am doctorjazz: Hi all.
	9:17am Jeff Golick: How do, @duke?
	9:18am Jeff Golick: Hello, @doctorjazz!
	9:26am doca: Hi, all!
	9:30am Jeff Golick: Hiya, @doca!
	9:34am holland oats: d:o! peoples! trilling trillers!
	9:35am Artie Haywire: Aaaaah!
	9:35am Artie Haywire: Oh No - Spiders!!
	9:36am listener james from westwood: The film playing in my head to this Lurie track is sweetly romantic and comical.
	🥁 9:37am doctorjazz: This Lurie is GREAT!
	9:37am Jeff Golick: oats of holland! haywire goes artie! hi there.
	9:38am AndrewC.: Must be a jeunet/caro in the Parisienne sewers.
	9:40am Jeff Golick: Hi hi hi, @AndrewC.! Please to translate?
	🥁 9:42am doctorjazz: Fabulous set, some Henry Threadgill seems like it would fit...
	9:42am AndrewC.: I'm thinking of the film in LJFW's head.
	9:43am Jeff Golick: Aha!
	9:45am listener james from westwood: @AndrewC: It gets a bit sad in the third reel, so have tissues ready.
	9:48am AndrewC.: Thanks for the warning. It doesn't take much to make me cry at a movie.
	🥁 9:56am doctorjazz: So I went to Amazon to look at the Robert Ottaviano music available (these shows do that to me), most of his music must be out of print, at least in the US, just about everything is $35-50 a cd. Sad...
	10:09am Jeff J: Morning to one and all!
	10:11am Jeff Golick: The internet giveth, and the internet taketh away, sometimes, @doctorjazz.
	10:13am Jeff Golick: Ribot, btw, recently wrote an open letter to Steve Albini, re some comments Albini made in an interview: www.stereogum.com...
	10:17am Jeff J: Nice letter by Ribot. He makes great points. I know he's been struggling to fund another recording, which is sad.
	10:19am Jeff J: John Zorn has listed Mauricio Kagel as among his biggest and most important early influences, particularly his run of DG albums from the 1970s, many of which remain stubbornly OOP.
	🥁 10:21am doctorjazz: I go both ways on streaming...I use TIDAL to listen to new stuff or playlists, which I'll then use to explore and buy music I might have not heard otherwise. I can see at home, though, my wife and daughters, feel like there is no reason in the world anyone would want to actually buy a cd/lp/download now that it can be streamed. With the pay mechanisms currently in place for paying the artists, it must be really hard on most. Ribot is great, should be able to get his music out...
	10:27am Jeff Golick: I think Albini was talking about the inevitability of streaming -- we're not going to put the genie back in the bottle. I'd be interested to hear what he thinks of the way artists are compensated for their work on streaming services... I'm guessing Albini and Ribot are closer than their two pieces would indicate. As a fan, I'd certainly prefer to see both of these people on the same side of the barricade.
	🥁 10:29am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...still listening...today's the day FMU takes its' monthly shekel from my account...just pointing that out...Yeah - interesting: wasn't that Albini I saw in the 'Copyright Criminals' doc? He was calling b.s. on sampling in that - but @ the end said there's too many lawyers in everything as it is (paraphrasing)...
	10:30am Jeff J: @doctorjazz - I think most people use streaming services the way your wife and daughters do. Almost everyone I know who's a music fan has stopped buying anything and just streams it. And if it's not on streaming, it's like it doesn't exist. Albini makes most of his money from production work so I'm betting he has less skin in the game than Ribot (and most working musicians).
	🥁 10:36am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: That's a point! As for streaming - my ISP (the hated ComCast) gets my pints of blood every month - & I frankly ain't got a lot for anybody else after that - so that's who gets (all of) that money...
	10:50am AndrewC.: I don't have time to listen to any streming services apart from FMU.
	10:54am Jeff Golick: I'm with you, @AndrewC. I feel like I barely have enough time to listen to FMU shows and plan this one.
	🥁 10:56am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - largely true AndrewC! Many podcasts I love go ignored. I think of Dylan stealing Guthrie records out of need, & George Harrison saying they couldn't get a cup of sugar much less a Rock record - & how my choices now are like a gushing firehose I can't control! Some backlash w/ 'artisanal' vinyl... ...methinks perhaps the larger issue of the great recession - & wealth inequality has people squabbling over crumbs? Fewer own more, in all areas of society ; labels, radio stations owned by faceless beancounters who neither know nor care about arts, artists, audience or the tech used for it...It's out of synch. Here w/ are - Free Form, listener supported: crowd sourced...
	10:58am Dean: Catching up on the playlist and the comments, I'd say Ribot gets the better of the argument, but neither really captures the nuances of IP or copyright. For example, both should know that "ideas" are not at all subject to copyright. It's the "once expressed" (in a tangible medium) part that federal law governs. It's cute that Albini thinks he's not part of "the music industry" because that's how he "feels." I wonder how he "feels" about capitalism.
	10:59am Dean: Meanwhile, I feel like I'm enjoying this new Steve Coleman.
	🥁 11:07am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes - enjoying! - & yes - if Albini's point was we won't put the genie back in the bottle - that's maybe 1/2 of what he said...
	11:13am Jeff Golick: Hi, Dean!
	11:24am Dean: The cover on that Kagel DG release is a sight to behold: http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/imgs/s200x200/4777095.jpg
	11:27am Dean: Also, it's curious that DG lists Kagel among the "Artists," but not the "Composers." A keyword search for "kagel" generates two additional hits in the catalog.
	11:30am Jeff Golick: Yikes. That is a sight, Dean. Though I've been looking at this one: www.discogs.com...
	11:30am Jeff J: That is odd, Dean. He was known as someone who used theatrical conventions in his pieces and thought about performance quite a bit. But he was very much a composer. And yes, many of Kagel's DG covers are wonderful.
	11:33am Dean: Ah, a different recording. I was struck by the fact of Portal's and Globokar's participation on "Exotica."
	11:33am Jeff J: Wonderfully odd - green face paint in a weird not-glam mode.
	11:34am Dean: More fun pix: http://www.discogs.com/Mauricio-Kagel-Exotica-F%C3%BCr-Aussereurop%C3%A4ische-Instrumente/release/934272 Click on cover to view!
	11:35am Jeff Golick: Might be the same rec., differently packaged...
	11:36am Jeff Golick: I like the donut eyes the best, I think, Dean.
	11:37am Dean: Now it's not clear to me whether "Tactil" is on "Exotica." Maybe the two recordings were reissued together. DG used to do stuff like that. D'Angelo has certainly internalized Eno/Byrne's "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts."
	11:40am Jeff J: D'Angelo internalized quite a bit for his new record - Al Green, Prince, Funkadelic, Fishbone, Eno/Byrne, PE, Sly Stone, etc etc. Really impressive work and there's apparently 30-40 more cuts that are almost finished.
	11:42am holland oats: YES. YES IT IS.
	11:45am Jeff Golick: Anyone listen to that Funkadelic cut on headphones? Someone went a little nutty on the L/R phasing.
	11:46am Dean: Free Your Left Ear and Your Right Ear Will Follow
	11:46am Jeff Golick: Precisely.
	11:50am Jeff Golick: Get ready to cool off in the next room with Amanda Nazario and the Nazario Scenario, starting at the top of the hour here: www.wfmu.org...
	11:55am listener james from westwood: Ahhh, post-tax cooldown achieved. Thanks muchly, gents!
	11:56am Amanda: Hey guise!
	11:56am Jeff Golick: 'manda!
	11:57am Jeff Golick: Glad to hear it, @ljfw!
	11:58am Jesse K: thanks Jeffs!
	🥁 11:59am duke: Thank you Jeffs. Had to be on the phone for much, but enjoyed what I could listen to.
	12:00pm Santos L Halper: Thanks Jeffs!
	12:00pm Jeff J: Thanks to everyone for joining us!
	🥁 12:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thx Jeffs!
	12:01pm Jeff Golick: Hey, Jesse K! Thanks, @duke, @Santos L Halper, @Rev Rabbit!

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