WFMU: Miniature Minotaurs with Kurt Gottschalk: Playlist from December 12, 2014

Listener comments!
	3:01pm cory: i got the cd today, it is awesome. thanks kurt!
	3:02pm Carmichael: Monty Rock! It's disco time, baby. Hiya Koit and alla yous.
	3:02pm common: kurt!
	3:05pm r i s k y: Hiya, Kurt!
	3:05pm Mark Helsten: I cannot believe you are playing Byzantine Chant! nice! I was enjoying some of this only yesterday!
	3:06pm Kurt Gottschalk: g'day, all. thanks for joining me.
	3:10pm still b/p: You can hear the beards.
	3:10pm Dirk: i have just tuned in to this station for the very first time. First sound was an old Disco Doo la la song and now Byzantine Alleluia. I LOVE THIS STATION, already hooked. Best greetings from Deutschland!
	3:12pm Cecile: willkommen, Dirk!
	3:12pm Kurt Gottschalk: glad to have you, dirk!
	3:12pm Mark Helsten: This should be pumped constantly through the PA system at my office.
	3:17pm still b/p: "Behold, there came a wise man from the east to WFMUsalem, and he was hooked."
	3:22pm still b/p: Not that anyone should do it, cuz too dangerous, but I wondered how a mashup of this with Elizabeth Clare Prophet's rants 'n chants would work out.
	3:24pm Kurt Gottschalk: DO IT B/P!
	3:25pm northguineahills: loving the vox! wow, Meredith Monk!
	3:27pm common: oh yea, this is good slow!
	3:27pm Sem Chumbo: Hi ho, Kurt. Sounding fine this p.m.,
	3:28pm nak11: Awesome show so far :)
	3:28pm Mugsy: Hope everyone is doing well.
	3:30pm Cecile: Play Matmos dude's Pink something project doing Black Metal by Venom
	3:32pm Cecile: I respect you, Kurt, but I will tune this out. It's hard for me to listen to this piece in any format.
	3:35pm northguineahills: Crap, I was in the other room, what about this Ergo Phizmiz piece (and thusfar, it doesn't sound like his other stuff).
	3:35pm Cecile: I guess its' a great piece of art because it strikes up such a strong reaction.
	3:36pm steve: yikes, tuning out... see you all in 30...
	3:36pm Dean: @Cecile: It's all about the bass.
	3:39pm northguineahills: oh, this robert Ashley piece....
	3:39pm northguineahills: Oh, (the album title explains it), whoops...
	3:39pm still b/p: Don't know if I can stick with it to see how Ergo's version compares to the other, but here's a critique with a few fair and obvious points: www.waggish.org...
	3:46pm r i s k y: KURT THIS RULES!
	3:47pm r i s k y: You're a true G.
	3:48pm r i s k y: This is so punk.
	3:52pm Dean: Kronos Q early music?
	3:52pm Dean: Not even close!
	3:53pm Cecile: back!
	3:54pm Cecile: you know, chico science might work after this
	4:04pm Cecile: the matter of fact-ness is what's troubling.
	4:15pm DHT: that's a good blog about the Ashley, I didn't know Ashley himself wrote that monologue? The problem with doing a mashup or "interpretation" of this piece is that if you're familiar with it, having a male voice "chime in" sounds almost disrespectful?
	4:19pm Kurt Gottschalk: ashley didn't write the monologue, it's taken from a series of interviews he did with victims of sexual assault. i had an opportunity to speak with him once and he said he was initially frustrated by the fact that the women - who had spoken openly to him prior to the recording - would become less forthcoming about their experiences once the recorder was on. so he ended up making a composite for an actress to deliver. i think part of the tension comes from the fact that so little overtly sexual is said, although the scene is quite clear. that seems to be the result of the women in the interviews becoming hesitant once the tape was rolling.
	4:20pm Kurt Gottschalk: i should say too that ashley's frustration, as he explained it to me, was not toward the women (who he understood were being asked to do something difficult) but in trying to realize the work.
	4:27pm Cecile: I have no doubt Ashley did it with the greatest sensitivity, and that's why it packs such an emotional punch.
	4:31pm Dean: Ashley's frustration: a perfect retort to those who proclaim the rightful death of privacy! In the preface to his book "Greek Homosexuality," Sir Kenneth Dover wrote, "I am fortunate in not experiencing moral shock or disgust at any genital act whatsoever, provided that it is welcome and agreeable to all the participants (whether they number one, two or more than two).... No act is sanctified, and none is debased, simply by having a genital dimension." Ashley approaches his topic with the same absence of prejudice, the difference being, of course, that the one about which he writes was neither welcome nor agreeable to all the participants.
	4:35pm Kurt Gottschalk: well put, dean, although i would suggest that what he did was closer to compiling than writing the text.
	4:36pm Kurt Gottschalk: (i think it's relevant to remember that these were initially the words of women and actual victims, not his own.)
	4:41pm northguineahills: Hmm, Tom Johnson, new to me!
	4:43pm Dean: Eberhard Blum did this for hat, too.
	4:45pm still b/p: I suppose a case could be made that with a male speaking/performing selected portions, there's possibly a fuller realization and identification of real impact for that speaker and for male audience members, and perhaps some tie to responsibility, more profound that mere exposure to the reported facts of someone else's experience and trauma. Is that the intent and is it effective or suitable? Who knows? I'm guessing a hundred people could have a hundred different takes on the work and performance choices Kurt, did he talk about neutral, detached delivery of the final text being virtually impossible for anyone, regardless of instruction and tone? One of the points from that critique I agree with is that with such material, neutral can't be neutral. Is that part of the artist's point as well, that for better or worse we'll do some mapping and assuming about the speaker's cues and state anyway?
	4:45pm Kurt Gottschalk: yeah, and johnson himself recorded them on piano, for lovely music or experimental intermedia, i believe. i think dedalus is the only ensemble recording, though.
	4:47pm common: have a great weekend everyone! beersies!
	4:47pm Cecile: someone could use this for a film score and it would be incredibly exciting
	4:47pm Kurt Gottschalk: the male parts (pretty sure that's ergo's voice) in the recording we heard are not in the original score. only the female part are. and no, ashley didn't address that specific point.
	4:52pm northguineahills: laters common!
	5:01pm still b/p: Meanwhile, in other matters of art and tone, just got a couple of laughs, à la the bully kid from The Simpsons, from the sneeriness of lines in a review of Ridley Scott's big new "Exodus" flick: "the pharaonic first family recalls a glam-rock act, "..."a cast of thousands, of which the goats are generally more engaging than the humans."
	5:03pm cory: yay! off to get booze and food. toodles all and thanks again for the tetema
	5:03pm Cecile: I have taken to growling in a Christian Bale voice: "I'm Moses!"
	5:06pm Green Mountain Man Mark: Today is December 12, 2014. 10 more days and then the daylight hours will begin to grow longer.
	5:07pm Kurt Gottschalk: and tomorrow is 12/13/14
	5:11pm ottovonbqe: Then we have to wait 87 years for the day month and year to line up in order again. Which is depressing.
	5:11pm still b/p: Like to see Alfred polishing up a tricked-out Ark of the Covenant with auto-deploy shields 'n shit! The picture's inviting many critics to mine the rich vein of their sneeriness, by the way. Check the Rotten Tomatoes parade of top critics' slams .
	5:12pm Cecile: it does look stinktacular.
	5:12pm Nelson Muntz: "...the goats?" Haa-Haaa!
	5:15pm Cecile: ned flanders should have directed it. It would have been lots more gory and a lot more fun.
	5:16pm still b/p: "Let my people go-diddly-o"
	5:18pm Cecile: hahahahha
	5:27pm Cecile: I thought he was singing "I turned bald"
	5:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Guten Tzag atomic arty Folk...
	5:40pm steve: this is real nice
	5:42pm ralfb: nice Ron Nagorcka reminds me a bit of Mark Stewart & the mafia or Pop Group without the funk ;-)
	5:50pm steve: oh yes, this guy knows what's up
	5:53pm northguineahills: Thanks Kurt, have a great weekend everyone!
	5:54pm Cecile: you too, ngh!
	5:55pm Dean: There's an affinity here with Mitterer's Radio Fractal.
	5:56pm Marcel M: This is pretty sweet
	5:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: The music this afternoon was rather relaxing. To my ears, anyhow. Have a good week.
	5:57pm Kurt Gottschalk: thanks for tuning in, y'all!
	5:59pm Marcel M: Thanks Kurt byeee
	5:59pm cory: just back from getting food and booze, can't wait to hear more!
	6:00pm Marcel M: Your a little late Cory shows over!
	6:01pm Carmichael: Petula's telling me that the show is over. Thanks, Kurt!
	6:01pm Marcel M: You're*
	6:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Thx for even the Afterwerk taste...
	6:01pm Cecile: this next show may be a little bit of a change.
	6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park: What's Up, Stupid?" comes on next.

Miniature Minotaurs with Kurt Gottschalk: Playlist from December 12, 2014

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December 12, 2014: I Wanna Dance Wit' Choo (Doo Dat Dance)
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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	Comments	Approx. start time
Disco Tex & the Sex-O-Lettes	I Wanna Dance Wit' Choo (Doo Dat Dance)	single	Chelsea Records	1975	45
Voxnova	Byzantine Alleluia of the Roman Rite	Scelsi, Byzantuim, the Alchemists	hat[now]ART	1994	CD	from 700 AD	0:03:25 (Pop-up)
The Western Wind Vocal Ensemble	Basket Rondo	Basket Rondo / Jukebox in the Tavern of Love	Labor Records	2014	CD	Composed by Meredith Monk in 2007	0:12:19 (Pop-up)

Ergo Phizmiz	Purposeful Lady Slow Afternoon	Populista Presents Ergo Phizmiz plays Robert Ashley's Purposeful Lady Slow Afternoon	Bôłt	2014	CD	Composed by Robert Ashley	0:32:06 (Pop-up)
Klangforum Wien	Intermezzo I "Intermezzo I" by "Klangforum Wien"	Luci mie traditrici	Kairos	2001	CD	Composed by Salvatore Sciarrino in 1998/	0:50:27 (Pop-up)
Jerome Kitzke	The Animist Child "The Animist Child" by "Jerome Kitzke"	The Character of American Sunlight	Innova	2013	CD		0:52:13 (Pop-up)

S.E.M. Ensemble	Master-Pieces (excerpt)	Master-Pieces	S.E.M.	2014	WAV	Recorded live at the New Opera Days Ostrava festival. Courtesy of Czech Radio Ostrava.	1:07:29 (Pop-up)
Daan Vandewalle	Sensorias "Sensorias" by "Daan Vandewalle"	Pathological Curves	Werderstrabe	2011	CD	Composed by Elizabeth Hoffman	1:17:44 (Pop-up)
Doelenkwartet	8 Streichquartett "8 Streichquartett" by "Doelenkwartet"	Streichquartette Nr. 1, 2, 8 und 5	Cybele	2006	CD	Composed by Woflgang Rihm in 1987-88	1:23:36 (Pop-up)
Dedalus	Rational Melodies Nos. III, VI, XIII, IX	Rational Melodies	New World Records	2010	CD	Composed by Tom Johnson in 1982	1:38:57 (Pop-up)
Justin Merritt	False Memories "False Memories" by "Justin Merritt"	Blender	Innova	2014	CD		1:51:51 (Pop-up)

Collegium Instrumentale	Music for Renaissance Instruments	Kagel: "1898" / Music for Renaissance Instruments	Deutsche Grammophon	1999	CD	Composed by Mauricio Kagel (1965-66); this recording originally released in 1969	2:00:16 (Pop-up)
Ron Nagorcka	Atom Bomb "Atom Bomb" by "Ron Nagorcka"	Atom Bomb Becomes Folk Art	Pogus Productions	2014	CD		2:25:14 (Pop-up)
Petula Clark	The Show is Over "The Show is Over" by "Petula Clark"	Beautiful Sounds: The Petula Clark Songbook	Castle	2000	CD

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Listener comments!
	3:01pm cory: i got the cd today, it is awesome. thanks kurt!
	3:02pm Carmichael: Monty Rock! It's disco time, baby. Hiya Koit and alla yous.
	3:02pm common: kurt!
	3:05pm r i s k y: Hiya, Kurt!
	3:05pm Mark Helsten: I cannot believe you are playing Byzantine Chant! nice! I was enjoying some of this only yesterday!
	3:06pm Kurt Gottschalk: g'day, all. thanks for joining me.
	3:10pm still b/p: You can hear the beards.
	3:10pm Dirk: i have just tuned in to this station for the very first time. First sound was an old Disco Doo la la song and now Byzantine Alleluia. I LOVE THIS STATION, already hooked. Best greetings from Deutschland!
	3:12pm Cecile: willkommen, Dirk!
	3:12pm Kurt Gottschalk: glad to have you, dirk!
	3:12pm Mark Helsten: This should be pumped constantly through the PA system at my office.
	3:17pm still b/p: "Behold, there came a wise man from the east to WFMUsalem, and he was hooked."
	3:22pm still b/p: Not that anyone should do it, cuz too dangerous, but I wondered how a mashup of this with Elizabeth Clare Prophet's rants 'n chants would work out.
	3:24pm Kurt Gottschalk: DO IT B/P!
	3:25pm northguineahills: loving the vox! wow, Meredith Monk!
	3:27pm common: oh yea, this is good slow!
	3:27pm Sem Chumbo: Hi ho, Kurt. Sounding fine this p.m.,
	3:28pm nak11: Awesome show so far :)
	3:28pm Mugsy: Hope everyone is doing well.
	3:30pm Cecile: Play Matmos dude's Pink something project doing Black Metal by Venom
	3:32pm Cecile: I respect you, Kurt, but I will tune this out. It's hard for me to listen to this piece in any format.
	3:35pm northguineahills: Crap, I was in the other room, what about this Ergo Phizmiz piece (and thusfar, it doesn't sound like his other stuff).
	3:35pm Cecile: I guess its' a great piece of art because it strikes up such a strong reaction.
	3:36pm steve: yikes, tuning out... see you all in 30...
	3:36pm Dean: @Cecile: It's all about the bass.
	3:39pm northguineahills: oh, this robert Ashley piece....
	3:39pm northguineahills: Oh, (the album title explains it), whoops...
	3:39pm still b/p: Don't know if I can stick with it to see how Ergo's version compares to the other, but here's a critique with a few fair and obvious points: www.waggish.org...
	3:46pm r i s k y: KURT THIS RULES!
	3:47pm r i s k y: You're a true G.
	3:48pm r i s k y: This is so punk.
	3:52pm Dean: Kronos Q early music?
	3:52pm Dean: Not even close!
	3:53pm Cecile: back!
	3:54pm Cecile: you know, chico science might work after this
	4:04pm Cecile: the matter of fact-ness is what's troubling.
	4:15pm DHT: that's a good blog about the Ashley, I didn't know Ashley himself wrote that monologue? The problem with doing a mashup or "interpretation" of this piece is that if you're familiar with it, having a male voice "chime in" sounds almost disrespectful?
	4:19pm Kurt Gottschalk: ashley didn't write the monologue, it's taken from a series of interviews he did with victims of sexual assault. i had an opportunity to speak with him once and he said he was initially frustrated by the fact that the women - who had spoken openly to him prior to the recording - would become less forthcoming about their experiences once the recorder was on. so he ended up making a composite for an actress to deliver. i think part of the tension comes from the fact that so little overtly sexual is said, although the scene is quite clear. that seems to be the result of the women in the interviews becoming hesitant once the tape was rolling.
	4:20pm Kurt Gottschalk: i should say too that ashley's frustration, as he explained it to me, was not toward the women (who he understood were being asked to do something difficult) but in trying to realize the work.
	4:27pm Cecile: I have no doubt Ashley did it with the greatest sensitivity, and that's why it packs such an emotional punch.
	4:31pm Dean: Ashley's frustration: a perfect retort to those who proclaim the rightful death of privacy! In the preface to his book "Greek Homosexuality," Sir Kenneth Dover wrote, "I am fortunate in not experiencing moral shock or disgust at any genital act whatsoever, provided that it is welcome and agreeable to all the participants (whether they number one, two or more than two).... No act is sanctified, and none is debased, simply by having a genital dimension." Ashley approaches his topic with the same absence of prejudice, the difference being, of course, that the one about which he writes was neither welcome nor agreeable to all the participants.
	4:35pm Kurt Gottschalk: well put, dean, although i would suggest that what he did was closer to compiling than writing the text.
	4:36pm Kurt Gottschalk: (i think it's relevant to remember that these were initially the words of women and actual victims, not his own.)
	4:41pm northguineahills: Hmm, Tom Johnson, new to me!
	4:43pm Dean: Eberhard Blum did this for hat, too.
	4:45pm still b/p: I suppose a case could be made that with a male speaking/performing selected portions, there's possibly a fuller realization and identification of real impact for that speaker and for male audience members, and perhaps some tie to responsibility, more profound that mere exposure to the reported facts of someone else's experience and trauma. Is that the intent and is it effective or suitable? Who knows? I'm guessing a hundred people could have a hundred different takes on the work and performance choices Kurt, did he talk about neutral, detached delivery of the final text being virtually impossible for anyone, regardless of instruction and tone? One of the points from that critique I agree with is that with such material, neutral can't be neutral. Is that part of the artist's point as well, that for better or worse we'll do some mapping and assuming about the speaker's cues and state anyway?
	4:45pm Kurt Gottschalk: yeah, and johnson himself recorded them on piano, for lovely music or experimental intermedia, i believe. i think dedalus is the only ensemble recording, though.
	4:47pm common: have a great weekend everyone! beersies!
	4:47pm Cecile: someone could use this for a film score and it would be incredibly exciting
	4:47pm Kurt Gottschalk: the male parts (pretty sure that's ergo's voice) in the recording we heard are not in the original score. only the female part are. and no, ashley didn't address that specific point.
	4:52pm northguineahills: laters common!
	5:01pm still b/p: Meanwhile, in other matters of art and tone, just got a couple of laughs, à la the bully kid from The Simpsons, from the sneeriness of lines in a review of Ridley Scott's big new "Exodus" flick: "the pharaonic first family recalls a glam-rock act, "..."a cast of thousands, of which the goats are generally more engaging than the humans."
	5:03pm cory: yay! off to get booze and food. toodles all and thanks again for the tetema
	5:03pm Cecile: I have taken to growling in a Christian Bale voice: "I'm Moses!"
	5:06pm Green Mountain Man Mark: Today is December 12, 2014. 10 more days and then the daylight hours will begin to grow longer.
	5:07pm Kurt Gottschalk: and tomorrow is 12/13/14
	5:11pm ottovonbqe: Then we have to wait 87 years for the day month and year to line up in order again. Which is depressing.
	5:11pm still b/p: Like to see Alfred polishing up a tricked-out Ark of the Covenant with auto-deploy shields 'n shit! The picture's inviting many critics to mine the rich vein of their sneeriness, by the way. Check the Rotten Tomatoes parade of top critics' slams .
	5:12pm Cecile: it does look stinktacular.
	5:12pm Nelson Muntz: "...the goats?" Haa-Haaa!
	5:15pm Cecile: ned flanders should have directed it. It would have been lots more gory and a lot more fun.
	5:16pm still b/p: "Let my people go-diddly-o"
	5:18pm Cecile: hahahahha
	5:27pm Cecile: I thought he was singing "I turned bald"
	5:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Guten Tzag atomic arty Folk...
	5:40pm steve: this is real nice
	5:42pm ralfb: nice Ron Nagorcka reminds me a bit of Mark Stewart & the mafia or Pop Group without the funk ;-)
	5:50pm steve: oh yes, this guy knows what's up
	5:53pm northguineahills: Thanks Kurt, have a great weekend everyone!
	5:54pm Cecile: you too, ngh!
	5:55pm Dean: There's an affinity here with Mitterer's Radio Fractal.
	5:56pm Marcel M: This is pretty sweet
	5:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: The music this afternoon was rather relaxing. To my ears, anyhow. Have a good week.
	5:57pm Kurt Gottschalk: thanks for tuning in, y'all!
	5:59pm Marcel M: Thanks Kurt byeee
	5:59pm cory: just back from getting food and booze, can't wait to hear more!
	6:00pm Marcel M: Your a little late Cory shows over!
	6:01pm Carmichael: Petula's telling me that the show is over. Thanks, Kurt!
	6:01pm Marcel M: You're*
	6:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Thx for even the Afterwerk taste...
	6:01pm Cecile: this next show may be a little bit of a change.
	6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park: What's Up, Stupid?" comes on next.

Miniature Minotaurs with Kurt Gottschalk: Playlist from December 12, 2014

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