WFMU: Irwin Chusid: Playlist from August 27, 2014

Listener comments!
	👻 3:03pm rrg: I've heard this tune before.
	3:03pm Sem Chumbo: "Yes, I can have real beef in an all-veggie burger." "No, you can't."
	3:06pm Michael: Those curtains! Unbelievable!
	👻 3:06pm βrian: That could only work if the beef cattle were themselves vegetarians. (i.e. these burgers are made from vegetarians.) But this is no longer the case. They're fed body parts as a matter of course.
	3:09pm Laura L: @ Michael: And at those prices!
	3:11pm Irwin: Couldn't believe I found that place. It's CURTAINS HEAVEN! I love curtains more than I love cake. Gimme the curtains! I'd punch someone in the head for some curtains.
	3:11pm Ludlow: This Elf Power is good. Ever heard of The Serpent Power? What are other Power bands? Kat Power. The Power station.
	👻 3:11pm rrg: It's curtains for you.
	3:12pm Alison Porchnik: I can't believe I missed that. I love that clip more than I love cake. Well, not really. I love cake more than I love many things, except pie.
	3:15pm Laura L: Thank god there's a curtain for every season there. This time of year the mind naturally turns to curtains.
	3:16pm Ralphine: About this show's article of faith, I wonder if Henry the Human Fly received heavy airplay on WFMU.
	3:16pm Alison Porchnik: Maybe curtains with pies on them?
	3:16pm Ralphine: Whenever I hear a accordion tango, I think of 12 Monkeys.
	3:17pm Listening Out There: Ludlow: "Tower of Power," of course...
	3:17pm Ludlow: I can't help but imagine Dick Contino wrestling Myron Floren. ---- Tower of Power --- good one.
	3:18pm Ralphine: The New Power Generation.
	3:20pm Ludlow: Good one Ralphine. E Power Biggs
	3:21pm Ralphine: Not many people know that the E stood for Elf.
	3:23pm fred: True but upsetting: one of the remaining majors has digitized tapes they had in vaults, but they have no idea what's in there because the tape labels were lost. Someone's dream job might be in there
	3:23pm Blacktooth: This curtain/drapes lady has been popping up all over the place lately. It's hypnotizing how this woman talks about these drapes and just,... ties it into everything in her life.....
	3:23pm Layet: jeez this curtains shit is killin me!! so funny
	👻 3:24pm S from I: I just use old newspapers.
	👻 3:24pm rrg: Fred, what label, and what vintage of material are we talking about here?
	3:24pm Irwin: Thanks to the Porchnik chick for the Curtain Lady link.
	3:27pm Laura L: Thanks, Porchnik chick! To think I've been using blinds--blind to the beauty of those curtains!
	3:29pm Blind Amerigo Vespa: Does Venetian refer to Venice?
	3:29pm fred: @rrg: I'm talking about what is now Universal, and they wish they knew the vintage. Thing is, they got all these tape vaults through mergers, and either lost the labels or the labels had codes for sessions whose meaning was lost. They asked the place I work for help in narrowing the search, because they think there's untapped money in there. Did you think they were out for anything else?
	3:31pm Alison Porchnik: Laura L." I desperately need some new curtains for my living room. Mine are fragile, torn, stained. I am tempted to bribe a mutual friend into taking a road trip up to RI. We could all go!
	👻 3:34pm rrg: You tease us with Durante, and then you don't deliver? That's a new low for you.
	3:34pm Eddie Money: Baby Hold On to Me!
	3:36pm fred: @rrg: As for the scale, the number of tracks numbers in millions, which is why listening isn't realistic for them
	👻 3:38pm rrg: A massive failure of stewardship of their intellectual property. The obsessive archivist in me weeps at your report. I wish I could shut him up.
	3:40pm Laura L: @ AP That's in R.I.? Thank god. The population of RI is not as large as here so there may still be some left for us!
	3:41pm Alison Porchnik: Plus I've never been there (except on the train to Boston)
	3:42pm Irwin: Alison: sign in! No avatar.
	👻 3:42pm rrg: Some have described Rhode Island as the smallest state in the Union.
	3:42pm fred: @rrg: The actual archivists there wept when they were fired after a merger. Then the dedicated archivist who took over tried to merge the two systems but was fired in another merger. The new manager said "who cares about that old stuff anyway?". Years later, the bigwigs realize they're sitting on a gold mine, but the knowledge was smartsized away
	3:46pm ChrisB.: Irwin, you are swingin' like 60 today!
	3:47pm Listening Out There: Irwin: Think you'll do a video show sometime, like the nifty one Ken did earlier today?
	3:55pm Irwin: Listening: I'm not inclined to make that much effort. Ken has extraordinary stamina. I'm relatively effete.
	3:56pm Irwin: Can someone double-check that I used "effete" correctly?
	3:57pm fred: @Listening Out There: I think Irwin has the Old Codger's phone number. What about a magic lantern to vitaphone to scopitone show someday?
	3:57pm Jack: Wow! I've just discovered the Lijadu Sisters, thanks for playing this Irwin.
	3:58pm Sem Chumbo: ef·fete adjective \e-ˈfēt, i-\ : lacking strength, courage, or spirit : resembling a woman Full Definition of EFFETE 1 : no longer fertile 2 a : having lost character, vitality, or strength <the effete monarchies … of feudal Europe — G. M. Trevelyan> b : marked by weakness or decadence <the effete East> c : soft or delicate from or as if from a pampered existence <peddled … trendy tweeds to effete Easterners — William Helmer> <effete tenderfeet>; also : characteristic of an effete person <a wool scarf … a bit effete on an outdoorsman — Nelson Bryant>
	3:58pm Listening Out There: @fred: If the Codger has the stamina, that could be entertaining!
	3:58pm fred: @Irwin: I think your usage of effete is adequate. I'm not much of a reference though
	3:59pm Irwin: OK, thanks. Yes, used correctly.
	4:01pm Listening Out There: RE "effete" usage: Let's not forgot Spiro Agnew. From Wikipedia: He once described a group of opponents as "an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."
	4:01pm fred: @Sem Chumbo: my inner logician takes issue with the definition "characteristic of an effete person". That's not helping much
	4:03pm fred: Sorry, please read "takes issue with" as "pukes on" in my previous post
	4:06pm Roberto: There's a version of Stinky Ashtray on an old FMU premium without the Ren and Stimpy clips. Not nearly as good!
	👻 4:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: If I remember correctly, the Old Codger once said his phone number is 7. He's had it since all the phone numbers were single digits.
	4:07pm Rectitude: Lol with a SmIlEy FAce
	👻 4:07pm rrg: That's not the Old Codger's phone number.
	👻 4:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Crud...sorry for muddling the phone situation.
	👻 4:08pm rrg: You call that and you'll reach the wrong person!
	4:10pm Irwin: 7 is Rummy Delbarton's number. I think the Codge's # is 6. He announced it once and I wrote it down.
	4:11pm Irwin: Thanks to rrg for the Gramps.
	4:11pm Dean: @fred: Your inner logician's gag reflex is too sensitive. That seemingly redundant definition is actually doing good service by incorporating all of the foregoing meanings, but applying them to inanimate objects as if they were persons. Thus, you would never literally say a wool scarf has lost character or vitality, but figuratively you might.
	4:22pm fred: @Dean: I think anyone who could understand the definition and the language would understand the figurative usage. And I think anyone who didn't understand the figurative concept would not be helped by that definition. But now you're making my inner logician come out as Wittgensteinian as well
	4:25pm Hoboken Jack: Nice.
	👻 4:25pm rrg: Irwin plays this every five or ten years. Very good vacuuming music.
	👻 4:26pm Alison Porchnik: I was going to post a longish comment about the institutionalization of worldviews in language in: re "effete" meaning "resembling a woman" but luckily the browser froze.
	4:26pm Irwin: Brian Davison: drums
	4:27pm fred: @rrg: damn, I do need to do some vacuuming, but it's too late over here. You Yanks get everything skewed your way
	4:31pm Irwin: Keyboards by E of ELP.
	4:31pm Dean: @fred: Dictionaries and Wittgenstein. If that were the name of a bar, I'd frequent it. Ah, but the dictionary isn't simply giving readers the license to use the term figuratively. I assume that the principle underlying the dictionary is descriptive, i.e., the definition is based on empirical evidence (the Bryant quote) as to how the word is actually used. Even if an average reader would intuitively treat the word metaphorically, the dictionary informs us that the metaphorical quality has deadened somewhat.
	4:31pm fred: @Alison Porchnik: That struck me too, but then I caught myself thinking why I thought that would be derogatory. Come to think of it, it's not
	👻 4:35pm chris: @Dean, see Connotative Meaning in Philosophy of Language: en.wikipedia.org...
	👻 4:36pm chris: The Nice is a very aptly named group
	4:38pm fred: @Dean: in that sense, I could agree with you; I think dictionaries carry a prescriptive baggage, but that looks irrelevant. Now if you can tell me where that Dictionaries and Wittgenstein bar is located and I can make it there on my constrained budget, drinks are on me until we both agree or don't remember what we were disagreeing about
	4:41pm Lizardner Dave: Who would win in a fight, E of ELP or E of Eels?
	4:42pm fRED: Where is the hook?
	4:43pm fred: @Lizardner Dave: Who runs the fastest?
	4:46pm fred: @Lizardner Dave: sorry, I've always thought of running as my fave martial art, it doesn't apply to everybody. (I'm French, this might explain)
	4:48pm Dean: @chris: Yes, I almost used the word "connotation" myself. But I don't think it's right in this context. The dictionary isn't informing readers that they might want to register a connotation of "effete" applicable to material substances rather than persons -- this is part of fred's complaint -- but that the literature (the basis for the dictionary's choice of words and entries pertaining to them: books, articles, news, pop culture, etc.) warrants mentioning that "effete" is used in this way, likely to the extent that what was once a clearly metaphorical sense (feeding off negative connotations of the word) is now not so clearly so. @fred: But what does it mean to agree or disagree? I think I know: It's a reason to buy rounds at a bar!
	4:52pm common: who's watching cartoons?
	👻 4:55pm rrg: It's always surprised me how evocative soundtracks like this are, even/especially without the cartoon in sight.
	4:57pm fred: @Dean: As to your reply to chris, my actual contention is that we use words this way all the time, whether sanctioned by a dictionary or not. My position is that if you are familiar with that usage, the definition is redundant. If you are not, it's useless if not misleading in making it an exception. And as for your second point, if something isn't worth buying a round, it's not anything at all. It's "I drink to it, therefore it is".
	4:57pm Parq: Wasn't there an off-off-mainstream record that was a hit on FMU years ago in which a bratty kid keeps repeating "I said I wanna watch cartoons"?
	4:57pm Parq: Ah, speaking of cartoons ...
	4:58pm Roberto: I really miss the Kenny/Irwin moments from days of yore.
	👻 5:00pm rrg: @Parq: this, perhaps? www.youtube.com...
	5:00pm Roberto: Happy Flowers, Parq! I'm physically unable to listen to it all the way through due to the fact that I first heard it right around the time my kids were "that" age.
	👻 5:01pm rrg: "Tuned", am I?
	5:01pm Parq: <grins>
	5:01pm Roberto: Ughhhhh "tuning" out now kthxbai
	5:02pm Irwin: It's not even half over.
	5:02pm Rectitude: en.wikipedia.org...
	👻 5:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: If Amanda is the heads side, this kid is the tails side of the coin.
	5:03pm jan: Did the Happy Flowers ever have another hit record, or is this it?
	5:03pm Laura L: I had a friend in L.A. who used to play this Happy Flowers song real, real loud when her noisy neighbors were driving her crazy.
	5:03pm Ryan B: @Roberto- if you like this Happy Flowers tune, you should hear the "song" Angry Meal. It is a masterpiece
	5:04pm Irwin: Jan: "I Don't Need Another Enema" got moderate airplay.
	5:04pm fred: @Ken: and Pharmakon is the side of that coin
	5:04pm Parq: This is even better than I remembered.
	5:04pm Roberto: izzit ober yt
	5:04pm Mike East: god help you if your kids acted like this, Roberto
	👻 5:05pm rrg: They had this album: www.discogs.com... Sounds great.
	5:05pm brycepunk: This Happy Flowers song is fucking nuts.
	5:05pm Laura L: P.S. she told me that the HF were a couple of college professors.
	5:05pm Roberto: It's pretty much how it was...and sometimes still is.
	5:06pm Parq: Roberto, that's actually what I used to say to my kid when she wanted to watch "Buffy".
	5:07pm Roberto: I used to think the line was "How's the people living in the street?"
	5:07pm Ryan B: "Unhappy Meal"- that was the name of the song. The guys' names in the liner notes are "Mr. Anus" and "Mr. Horribly Charred Infant". So they are almost certainly college professors
	5:08pm Roberto: Funny coincidence, that's what we named our kids!
	👻 5:09pm Alison Porchnik: I've never asked for (or needed) permission.
	5:09pm Ryan B: lmao
	5:09pm Rich in Washington: I just read somewhere that the dude that was doing all those 'key change' music videos was unable to do any new ones recently due to his place being shelled in the Ukraine situation.
	5:16pm fred: @Alison Porchnik: Do you have that comment about "effete" somewhere? I think I'd like to read it. Sent it privately if you don't think it's ready for publishing widely (as if Irwin was that popular) I promise I won't share it
	5:24pm jan: @irwin: what song was that was getting airplay?
	5:26pm Ryan B: HF may drive away 25% of listeners, but it earned you one new one!
	5:30pm ChrisB.: I saw the Cosmic Rough Riders in Asbury Park years ago. The crowd numbered 2. Shameful.
	5:33pm Laura L: Húrra fyrir söng ömmu!
	👻 5:35pm Alison Porchnik: @ fred, no, it got lost when my broswer froze. The gist was in my last comment, though. Anyway, my critical theory is rusty these days.
	5:42pm fred: @Alison Porchnik: too bad, I think I could have learned something from it. I'm not that good about critical theory, more like haphazard freerange third wave type, so I learn when I can. I may be Wittgensteinian, but there are times when I don't know and should just shut up and learn
	5:44pm Mike East: we just watched Ella Enchanted...starts out with a cover of ELO's Strange Magic
	👻 5:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Loved the show today. Now, who's up for some cartoons?
	👻 6:00pm rrg: Wow. The time really did fly. Thanks, IC. Great show. Bye, all.

Irwin Chusid: Playlist from August 27, 2014

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August 27, 2014: Article of faith: Any old LP released on a major label that sold less than 1,000 copies has received heavy airplay on WFMU.

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Artist	Track	Album	Approx. start time
Lee Morgan	Yes I Can, No You Can't (edit)	The Gigolo	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Marco Benevento	Coyote Hearing "Coyote Hearing" by "Marco Benevento"	Swift	0:03:26 (Pop-up)
Elf Power	Little Black Holes "Little Black Holes" by "Elf Power"	Elf Power	0:07:22 (Pop-up)
Gotan Project	Cité Tango "Cité Tango" by "Gotan Project"	Inspiración Espiración	0:10:32 (Pop-up)
Jaimie Sharkey (with New Pink Floyd)	H-A-N-D	Phone Calls	0:14:21 (Pop-up)
Kraig Jordan	The Curtain Lady "The Curtain Lady" by "Kraig Jordan"	FB	0:17:07 (Pop-up)
Eddie Harris	Don't You Know Your Future's In Space	Come On Down!	0:21:55 (Pop-up)

Ting Tings	Great DJ "Great DJ" by "Ting Tings"	We Started Nothing	0:31:27 (Pop-up)
Mad Man Jones	Snake Charmer "Snake Charmer" by "Mad Man Jones"	One Liners 4: Ichiban 2013 Premium (comp. by Debbie D)	0:34:25 (Pop-up)
Ray Barretto	Soul Drummers "Soul Drummers" by "Ray Barretto"	Ray Barretto Compilation	0:36:46 (Pop-up)
CSS	Alcohol "Alcohol" by "CSS"	Cansei de Ser Sexy	0:40:53 (Pop-up)
Jaki Byard	Music To Watch Girls By	Solo/Strings	0:43:38 (Pop-up)

Mose Allison	Wild Man on the Loose	Wild Man on the Loose	0:51:25 (Pop-up)
Lijadu Sisters	Cashing In "Cashing In" by "Lijadu Sisters"	Danger	0:53:18 (Pop-up)
Damn!	Stinky Stinky Ashtray "Stinky Stinky Ashtray" by "Damn!"	The Very Best of Bossa Brava	0:59:24 (Pop-up)
Turn Me On Dead Man	Silky Milky Way	God Bless the Electric Freak	1:02:06 (Pop-up)
Sol Mogerman	Boys and Girls "Boys and Girls" by "Sol Mogerman"	Wishbone Bridge 1971-1972	1:06:08 (Pop-up)
Baby Gramps	Sunny Afternoon "Sunny Afternoon" by "Baby Gramps"	Give the People What We Want: Songs of the Kinks	1:09:27 (Pop-up)

The Nice	Ars Longa Vita Brevis "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" by "The Nice"	Ars Longa Vita Brevis	1:21:04 (Pop-up)

Heligoland	Bluebird "Bluebird" by "Heligoland"	Heligoland	1:43:23 (Pop-up)
Carl Stalling	Pappy's Puppy (1955)	The Carl Stalling Project, Vol. 2	1:49:23 (Pop-up)
Kenny G and Irwin	Heroes and Villains	Behaving Horribly with Kenny G and Irwin	1:54:45 (Pop-up)
Happy Flowers	I Said I Wanna Watch Cartoons	Flowers on 45: The Homestead Singles	1:59:24 (Pop-up)
Steve Miller Band vs. Fast	Faster, Eagle! Fly! Fly!	Mighty Mike's Mild Thing(s) 2 - A Downtempo Compilation	2:03:06 (Pop-up)
Sqürl	Please Feel Free to Piss in Garden	Only Lovers Left Alive (soundtrack)	2:06:16 (Pop-up)
Jane Siberry	The Magic Beads "The Magic Beads" by "Jane Siberry"	Jane Siberry	2:12:38 (Pop-up)
The Collectors	Lydia Purple "Lydia Purple" by "The Collectors"	The Collectors	2:17:05 (Pop-up)

Cosmic Rough Riders	Melanie "Melanie" by "Cosmic Rough Riders"	Enjoy the Melodic Sunshine	2:25:13 (Pop-up)
Sigrídur Níelsdóttir	Uppsprettan / Seyla, mindetoner / Bláklukkurnar og vindurinn	Grandma Lo-Fi	2:28:06 (Pop-up)
The Books	Thirty Incoming "Thirty Incoming" by "The Books"	The Way Out	2:34:52 (Pop-up)
Stimulator	Magic "Magic" by "Stimulator"	Ella Enchanted	2:39:58 (Pop-up)
Hank Mobley	The Break Through "The Break Through" by "Hank Mobley"	Dippin'	2:43:40 (Pop-up)

Muirlands Jr HS Jazz Rock Ensemble	Light My Fire	Muirlands Jazz Rock Ensemble (thx to Pea Hicks)	2:51:57 (Pop-up)
The Lost Patrol	Mayday "Mayday" by "The Lost Patrol"	Lonesome Sky	2:54:30 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	👻 3:03pm rrg: I've heard this tune before.
	3:03pm Sem Chumbo: "Yes, I can have real beef in an all-veggie burger." "No, you can't."
	3:06pm Michael: Those curtains! Unbelievable!
	👻 3:06pm βrian: That could only work if the beef cattle were themselves vegetarians. (i.e. these burgers are made from vegetarians.) But this is no longer the case. They're fed body parts as a matter of course.
	3:09pm Laura L: @ Michael: And at those prices!
	3:11pm Irwin: Couldn't believe I found that place. It's CURTAINS HEAVEN! I love curtains more than I love cake. Gimme the curtains! I'd punch someone in the head for some curtains.
	3:11pm Ludlow: This Elf Power is good. Ever heard of The Serpent Power? What are other Power bands? Kat Power. The Power station.
	👻 3:11pm rrg: It's curtains for you.
	3:12pm Alison Porchnik: I can't believe I missed that. I love that clip more than I love cake. Well, not really. I love cake more than I love many things, except pie.
	3:15pm Laura L: Thank god there's a curtain for every season there. This time of year the mind naturally turns to curtains.
	3:16pm Ralphine: About this show's article of faith, I wonder if Henry the Human Fly received heavy airplay on WFMU.
	3:16pm Alison Porchnik: Maybe curtains with pies on them?
	3:16pm Ralphine: Whenever I hear a accordion tango, I think of 12 Monkeys.
	3:17pm Listening Out There: Ludlow: "Tower of Power," of course...
	3:17pm Ludlow: I can't help but imagine Dick Contino wrestling Myron Floren. ---- Tower of Power --- good one.
	3:18pm Ralphine: The New Power Generation.
	3:20pm Ludlow: Good one Ralphine. E Power Biggs
	3:21pm Ralphine: Not many people know that the E stood for Elf.
	3:23pm fred: True but upsetting: one of the remaining majors has digitized tapes they had in vaults, but they have no idea what's in there because the tape labels were lost. Someone's dream job might be in there
	3:23pm Blacktooth: This curtain/drapes lady has been popping up all over the place lately. It's hypnotizing how this woman talks about these drapes and just,... ties it into everything in her life.....
	3:23pm Layet: jeez this curtains shit is killin me!! so funny
	👻 3:24pm S from I: I just use old newspapers.
	👻 3:24pm rrg: Fred, what label, and what vintage of material are we talking about here?
	3:24pm Irwin: Thanks to the Porchnik chick for the Curtain Lady link.
	3:27pm Laura L: Thanks, Porchnik chick! To think I've been using blinds--blind to the beauty of those curtains!
	3:29pm Blind Amerigo Vespa: Does Venetian refer to Venice?
	3:29pm fred: @rrg: I'm talking about what is now Universal, and they wish they knew the vintage. Thing is, they got all these tape vaults through mergers, and either lost the labels or the labels had codes for sessions whose meaning was lost. They asked the place I work for help in narrowing the search, because they think there's untapped money in there. Did you think they were out for anything else?
	3:31pm Alison Porchnik: Laura L." I desperately need some new curtains for my living room. Mine are fragile, torn, stained. I am tempted to bribe a mutual friend into taking a road trip up to RI. We could all go!
	👻 3:34pm rrg: You tease us with Durante, and then you don't deliver? That's a new low for you.
	3:34pm Eddie Money: Baby Hold On to Me!
	3:36pm fred: @rrg: As for the scale, the number of tracks numbers in millions, which is why listening isn't realistic for them
	👻 3:38pm rrg: A massive failure of stewardship of their intellectual property. The obsessive archivist in me weeps at your report. I wish I could shut him up.
	3:40pm Laura L: @ AP That's in R.I.? Thank god. The population of RI is not as large as here so there may still be some left for us!
	3:41pm Alison Porchnik: Plus I've never been there (except on the train to Boston)
	3:42pm Irwin: Alison: sign in! No avatar.
	👻 3:42pm rrg: Some have described Rhode Island as the smallest state in the Union.
	3:42pm fred: @rrg: The actual archivists there wept when they were fired after a merger. Then the dedicated archivist who took over tried to merge the two systems but was fired in another merger. The new manager said "who cares about that old stuff anyway?". Years later, the bigwigs realize they're sitting on a gold mine, but the knowledge was smartsized away
	3:46pm ChrisB.: Irwin, you are swingin' like 60 today!
	3:47pm Listening Out There: Irwin: Think you'll do a video show sometime, like the nifty one Ken did earlier today?
	3:55pm Irwin: Listening: I'm not inclined to make that much effort. Ken has extraordinary stamina. I'm relatively effete.
	3:56pm Irwin: Can someone double-check that I used "effete" correctly?
	3:57pm fred: @Listening Out There: I think Irwin has the Old Codger's phone number. What about a magic lantern to vitaphone to scopitone show someday?
	3:57pm Jack: Wow! I've just discovered the Lijadu Sisters, thanks for playing this Irwin.
	3:58pm Sem Chumbo: ef·fete adjective \e-ˈfēt, i-\ : lacking strength, courage, or spirit : resembling a woman Full Definition of EFFETE 1 : no longer fertile 2 a : having lost character, vitality, or strength <the effete monarchies … of feudal Europe — G. M. Trevelyan> b : marked by weakness or decadence <the effete East> c : soft or delicate from or as if from a pampered existence <peddled … trendy tweeds to effete Easterners — William Helmer> <effete tenderfeet>; also : characteristic of an effete person <a wool scarf … a bit effete on an outdoorsman — Nelson Bryant>
	3:58pm Listening Out There: @fred: If the Codger has the stamina, that could be entertaining!
	3:58pm fred: @Irwin: I think your usage of effete is adequate. I'm not much of a reference though
	3:59pm Irwin: OK, thanks. Yes, used correctly.
	4:01pm Listening Out There: RE "effete" usage: Let's not forgot Spiro Agnew. From Wikipedia: He once described a group of opponents as "an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."
	4:01pm fred: @Sem Chumbo: my inner logician takes issue with the definition "characteristic of an effete person". That's not helping much
	4:03pm fred: Sorry, please read "takes issue with" as "pukes on" in my previous post
	4:06pm Roberto: There's a version of Stinky Ashtray on an old FMU premium without the Ren and Stimpy clips. Not nearly as good!
	👻 4:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: If I remember correctly, the Old Codger once said his phone number is 7. He's had it since all the phone numbers were single digits.
	4:07pm Rectitude: Lol with a SmIlEy FAce
	👻 4:07pm rrg: That's not the Old Codger's phone number.
	👻 4:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: Crud...sorry for muddling the phone situation.
	👻 4:08pm rrg: You call that and you'll reach the wrong person!
	4:10pm Irwin: 7 is Rummy Delbarton's number. I think the Codge's # is 6. He announced it once and I wrote it down.
	4:11pm Irwin: Thanks to rrg for the Gramps.
	4:11pm Dean: @fred: Your inner logician's gag reflex is too sensitive. That seemingly redundant definition is actually doing good service by incorporating all of the foregoing meanings, but applying them to inanimate objects as if they were persons. Thus, you would never literally say a wool scarf has lost character or vitality, but figuratively you might.
	4:22pm fred: @Dean: I think anyone who could understand the definition and the language would understand the figurative usage. And I think anyone who didn't understand the figurative concept would not be helped by that definition. But now you're making my inner logician come out as Wittgensteinian as well
	4:25pm Hoboken Jack: Nice.
	👻 4:25pm rrg: Irwin plays this every five or ten years. Very good vacuuming music.
	👻 4:26pm Alison Porchnik: I was going to post a longish comment about the institutionalization of worldviews in language in: re "effete" meaning "resembling a woman" but luckily the browser froze.
	4:26pm Irwin: Brian Davison: drums
	4:27pm fred: @rrg: damn, I do need to do some vacuuming, but it's too late over here. You Yanks get everything skewed your way
	4:31pm Irwin: Keyboards by E of ELP.
	4:31pm Dean: @fred: Dictionaries and Wittgenstein. If that were the name of a bar, I'd frequent it. Ah, but the dictionary isn't simply giving readers the license to use the term figuratively. I assume that the principle underlying the dictionary is descriptive, i.e., the definition is based on empirical evidence (the Bryant quote) as to how the word is actually used. Even if an average reader would intuitively treat the word metaphorically, the dictionary informs us that the metaphorical quality has deadened somewhat.
	4:31pm fred: @Alison Porchnik: That struck me too, but then I caught myself thinking why I thought that would be derogatory. Come to think of it, it's not
	👻 4:35pm chris: @Dean, see Connotative Meaning in Philosophy of Language: en.wikipedia.org...
	👻 4:36pm chris: The Nice is a very aptly named group
	4:38pm fred: @Dean: in that sense, I could agree with you; I think dictionaries carry a prescriptive baggage, but that looks irrelevant. Now if you can tell me where that Dictionaries and Wittgenstein bar is located and I can make it there on my constrained budget, drinks are on me until we both agree or don't remember what we were disagreeing about
	4:41pm Lizardner Dave: Who would win in a fight, E of ELP or E of Eels?
	4:42pm fRED: Where is the hook?
	4:43pm fred: @Lizardner Dave: Who runs the fastest?
	4:46pm fred: @Lizardner Dave: sorry, I've always thought of running as my fave martial art, it doesn't apply to everybody. (I'm French, this might explain)
	4:48pm Dean: @chris: Yes, I almost used the word "connotation" myself. But I don't think it's right in this context. The dictionary isn't informing readers that they might want to register a connotation of "effete" applicable to material substances rather than persons -- this is part of fred's complaint -- but that the literature (the basis for the dictionary's choice of words and entries pertaining to them: books, articles, news, pop culture, etc.) warrants mentioning that "effete" is used in this way, likely to the extent that what was once a clearly metaphorical sense (feeding off negative connotations of the word) is now not so clearly so. @fred: But what does it mean to agree or disagree? I think I know: It's a reason to buy rounds at a bar!
	4:52pm common: who's watching cartoons?
	👻 4:55pm rrg: It's always surprised me how evocative soundtracks like this are, even/especially without the cartoon in sight.
	4:57pm fred: @Dean: As to your reply to chris, my actual contention is that we use words this way all the time, whether sanctioned by a dictionary or not. My position is that if you are familiar with that usage, the definition is redundant. If you are not, it's useless if not misleading in making it an exception. And as for your second point, if something isn't worth buying a round, it's not anything at all. It's "I drink to it, therefore it is".
	4:57pm Parq: Wasn't there an off-off-mainstream record that was a hit on FMU years ago in which a bratty kid keeps repeating "I said I wanna watch cartoons"?
	4:57pm Parq: Ah, speaking of cartoons ...
	4:58pm Roberto: I really miss the Kenny/Irwin moments from days of yore.
	👻 5:00pm rrg: @Parq: this, perhaps? www.youtube.com...
	5:00pm Roberto: Happy Flowers, Parq! I'm physically unable to listen to it all the way through due to the fact that I first heard it right around the time my kids were "that" age.
	👻 5:01pm rrg: "Tuned", am I?
	5:01pm Parq: <grins>
	5:01pm Roberto: Ughhhhh "tuning" out now kthxbai
	5:02pm Irwin: It's not even half over.
	5:02pm Rectitude: en.wikipedia.org...
	👻 5:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: If Amanda is the heads side, this kid is the tails side of the coin.
	5:03pm jan: Did the Happy Flowers ever have another hit record, or is this it?
	5:03pm Laura L: I had a friend in L.A. who used to play this Happy Flowers song real, real loud when her noisy neighbors were driving her crazy.
	5:03pm Ryan B: @Roberto- if you like this Happy Flowers tune, you should hear the "song" Angry Meal. It is a masterpiece
	5:04pm Irwin: Jan: "I Don't Need Another Enema" got moderate airplay.
	5:04pm fred: @Ken: and Pharmakon is the side of that coin
	5:04pm Parq: This is even better than I remembered.
	5:04pm Roberto: izzit ober yt
	5:04pm Mike East: god help you if your kids acted like this, Roberto
	👻 5:05pm rrg: They had this album: www.discogs.com... Sounds great.
	5:05pm brycepunk: This Happy Flowers song is fucking nuts.
	5:05pm Laura L: P.S. she told me that the HF were a couple of college professors.
	5:05pm Roberto: It's pretty much how it was...and sometimes still is.
	5:06pm Parq: Roberto, that's actually what I used to say to my kid when she wanted to watch "Buffy".
	5:07pm Roberto: I used to think the line was "How's the people living in the street?"
	5:07pm Ryan B: "Unhappy Meal"- that was the name of the song. The guys' names in the liner notes are "Mr. Anus" and "Mr. Horribly Charred Infant". So they are almost certainly college professors
	5:08pm Roberto: Funny coincidence, that's what we named our kids!
	👻 5:09pm Alison Porchnik: I've never asked for (or needed) permission.
	5:09pm Ryan B: lmao
	5:09pm Rich in Washington: I just read somewhere that the dude that was doing all those 'key change' music videos was unable to do any new ones recently due to his place being shelled in the Ukraine situation.
	5:16pm fred: @Alison Porchnik: Do you have that comment about "effete" somewhere? I think I'd like to read it. Sent it privately if you don't think it's ready for publishing widely (as if Irwin was that popular) I promise I won't share it
	5:24pm jan: @irwin: what song was that was getting airplay?
	5:26pm Ryan B: HF may drive away 25% of listeners, but it earned you one new one!
	5:30pm ChrisB.: I saw the Cosmic Rough Riders in Asbury Park years ago. The crowd numbered 2. Shameful.
	5:33pm Laura L: Húrra fyrir söng ömmu!
	👻 5:35pm Alison Porchnik: @ fred, no, it got lost when my broswer froze. The gist was in my last comment, though. Anyway, my critical theory is rusty these days.
	5:42pm fred: @Alison Porchnik: too bad, I think I could have learned something from it. I'm not that good about critical theory, more like haphazard freerange third wave type, so I learn when I can. I may be Wittgensteinian, but there are times when I don't know and should just shut up and learn
	5:44pm Mike East: we just watched Ella Enchanted...starts out with a cover of ELO's Strange Magic
	👻 5:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Loved the show today. Now, who's up for some cartoons?
	👻 6:00pm rrg: Wow. The time really did fly. Thanks, IC. Great show. Bye, all.

Irwin Chusid: Playlist from August 27, 2014

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