WFMU: Liz Berg: Playlist from July 28, 2014

Listener comments!
	♥ 9:02am Guido from Cologne: hello Irene ... eeek ... LiZ !!!! ;-)
	♥ 9:05am Liz Berg: Hi Guido, and greetings to any other lurkers!
	9:06am glenn: you say lurkers like it's a bad thing.
	♥ 9:07am Liz Berg: It's quite alright to lurk!
	9:08am Dun-No: Morning Liz, what a nice way to start the show!
	♥ 9:10am Guido from Cologne: listen-lurkers! ... intersting performers, makes me curious.
	♥ 9:10am DCE: hi!
	♥ 9:12am common: hello!
	9:15am Nick from Indy: Reminds me of The Darkside
	♥ 9:15am Liz Berg: Anyone else get devoured by mosquitoes over the weekend? Tis the season!
	♥ 9:16am Guido from Cologne: Sound better than last wednesday. Was it my mobile, or was the some post-prodiction?
	9:17am glenn: love this clientele.
	♥ 9:18am Ken From Hyde Park: Just a few mosquitoes for me.
	9:18am Chris from DC: Yeah. Bummed I missed seeing the Clientele last week.
	9:32am Adrian: Hello liz and everyone else! There's an ant crawling across the floor and this track is making it seem extremely epic!
	9:33am Parq: Miz Liz, we were up on the Highline yesterday early evening. No skeeters, I'm pleased to say, but gnats were a problem. Adrian, listening to that track and picturing your ant made my whole morning.
	♥ 9:36am Liz Berg: Most of my mosquito bites came from one or two buggers that were inside my apt. Grr!
	9:39am Adrian: The ant has unfortunately left the room now :( that was fun while it lasted.
	9:44am richie: hi liz. good afternoon from dublin. just want to ask. would it be you every year @ primavera fest. in barcelona? i don't think you did a live coverage of primavera this year (i mean as wfmu crew)? coz i could not manage to go this year and i can't see anything from this year primavera in your archives.. nice day to you.
	♥ 9:47am Liz Berg: Hi Richie, we actually missed Primavera Sound this year (there was a scheduling conflict with WFMU's Record Fair). We hope to return next year!
	9:50am richie: oh cool! i see. hope i will get there next year as well, so hopefully i will be able to stop by and say halo to yous! i thought you finished going there for good (just wondered...)
	10:01am Robert: You mean cleaning the bathtub itself? Or the tile or joint around it?
	10:02am andymorphic: i spent the weekend trying to get a rat out of my basement.
	10:03am rob t: hello all
	♥ 10:04am Liz Berg: Cleaning the bathtub (bottom is scratched) and the crappy caulk some contractor used in lieu of grout around the rim. No amount of bleach, vinegar, hydrogen peroxide can remedy. Andymorphic, the rat in the basement sounds awful!
	♥ 10:04am common: our apartment is falling apart, liz. The window falls in when there is any kind of wind, our shower doesn't work - sometimes - our oven door wont stay shut and our landlord is a dick. ah, apartment life.
	10:05am Jeezy: Liz!!! Call Costa at 917-554-2144. My landlord reimbursed him for his famous bathtub re-glazings which run from $200-350 or so depending on condition. It's AMAZING. Mine went from utterly disgusting to like new!
	10:06am Jeezy: Major job though... you need to be out of apartment for at least 24 hours. Incredible process!
	10:07am andymorphic: my partners reaction to the rat is worse than the rat itself...grout between tiles but you have caulk the seem between tub and wall.
	10:07am rob t: my bathtub/shower stall is made of fiberglass and the paint is peeling.
	♥ 10:08am Liz Berg: Oh noes, common! Our oven doesn't start up sometimes, but I guess at least the windows stay shut! Thanks for the reglazing tip, Jeezy, that might work (tub is enamel)... now convincing our landlord that this is a problem he needs to spend money fixing is another story.
	10:09am robyn: LIZ B!
	10:13am KP: Good morning, Liz. Alt.side suspended today due to Idul-Fitr. How could i forget?
	♥ 10:13am common: glad your windows are doing what they should , liz!
	♥ 10:14am SSS: Installing tubs, showers, and such need a flexible seam around the interfacing edge / seam. Weight of people will move it around a tiny bit is why.
	10:14am Jeezy: Liz, tell your landlord a friend who works for health dept. saw tub and said that the black mold may be a health issue.. Infer that legal problems could occur if you get sick! Worked for me... :-)
	10:15am Jeezy: And it will definitely be work on your tub and you will be DAZZLED. Worth every penny, trust me.
	♥ 10:16am Liz Berg: You guys are the best! I'm asking the WFMU playlist comments instead of google next time, ha ha!
	♥ 10:23am Greg from Bloomfield: Morning Liz + everybody!
	10:25am βrian: Why, I was glazing old windows just this weekend.
	10:26am glenn: you have to caulk between tub and tile. grout will crack, as sss points out. don't use silicone. mould grows on it like stink. the best caulking is kop-r-lastic, or dymonic. tremco 555 is also good.
	♥ 10:27am Liz Berg: I think they used the wrong type of caulk, Glenn and SSS. The mold won't go away... bleach only turns it grey momentarily. Yuck.
	10:30am glenn: and now that i think about it, mapei makes caulking to match their grouts. so that would be my first choice, if i was doing it straight from taw.
	10:30am thriftstoreleather: oh yeah, the groove is on!
	10:31am glenn: www.mapei.com
	10:33am Robert: The caulk problem should easily be remedied by removal & replacement. Ordinarily you WOULD caulk rather than grout around a rim. What makes you say that area should be grouted? You want some give there & allowance for irregularity; it's not like the uniform & thin space between tiles that you'd grout.
	♥ 10:33am Liz Berg: Rock on, Glenn! Never thought I'd be so excited to learn about different caulks, but it sounds like my gross bathtub woes can be remedied.
	10:35am Robert: But glenn, the GE industrial what Irwin rescued from obscurity convinced me that silicones are the answer!
	10:36am glenn: well, if you need any advice. just shoot me an email.
	10:37am thriftstoreleather: I'm having repeated toilet troubles- I have 3 cats and a dog who shed chunks every time they exhale. so, I sweep. for I am the sweeper!
	10:37am glenn: i never use silicone for anything. it's garbage.
	10:37am thriftstoreleather: and the plummer
	10:38am thriftstoreleather: show frickin rocks, Liz- as always!
	♥ 10:39am Guido from Cologne: LOVE THE SHOW LIZ!
	♥ 10:40am Ken From Hyde Park: Flash mob at Liz' place this afternoon! A-E bring scrapers. F-J bring caulk. K-Z bring beer.
	♥ 10:46am Whosondephone: Getting Psyched for SANDWICH TIME!!! CBK BABY!!!
	♥ 10:46am Sem Chumbo: Nice to see Home Improvement is back on the air. Who plays Tim Allen now?
	10:47am andymorphic: ok...you fixed the tub...what about my rat?
	10:48am Robert: I don't know if you got the joke, glenn. Years ago Irwin Chusid found recordings from an industrial musical done for General Electric. The song about silicones was great. So great, in fact, that the staffers at WFMU a few yrs. ago covered it. According to it, silicones from GE are unquestionably the answer. Of course the question in this case may be, what's crap for bathroom caulk?
	10:48am glenn: swing him round and round.
	10:48am Spencer: Hey Liz!
	10:49am glenn: ah. i didn't get the joke.
	10:50am Cheri Pi: I will attempt to rebeautify my tub with these helpful tips. SANDWICH TIME??? WHEN?
	♥ 10:51am Liz Berg: Fear not fine people, sandwich time will come in due time...
	10:51am Robert: BTW, I accidentally discovered a good long-term fix for bathroom fungus: chlorine dioxide. Yrs. ago I worked with the Tell-Veltman patent for making ClO2 solution; the brilliant Pres Veltman was our consultant. You have to make a buffer from bicarb of soda & citric acid, and let it react a couple days with sodium chlorite (not chloride).
	10:53am Snortley: Yes, silicone is the way to go. You have to use the anti-microbial type specifically intended for bathrooms, or the stains will re-occur.
	♥ 10:53am SSS: OK OK! Here is the full take on bathroom fixture install (how & why I do it anyway). I DO work in a small amount of grout in the load bearing seams, but not too much, as I caulk over that when the grout is dry. The flexible seam of caulk eventually will leak somewhere along its length, probably many places, just a little, starting mold to growth. Once it is wet under a bathroom appliance, it will not dry out, and there is plenty of mold under there for sure, and only full tear out is sure to stop it. Cement board under all, grout around all seams, caulk flexing seams as well, and most important, remove old caulk every two years or so and re-caulk. Good god, who have I become?!
	10:53am Rev. Turnip Druid: ooh. this.
	10:55am KP: I had calf-deep standing water in tub for while. Sandy water here is a remnant of Hurricane Sandy and it clogs the drains as well as adding interest to your diet.
	10:57am glenn: i'm a red seal carpenter. i've been building hoses for 30 years. i've used every caulk there is. i've made every mistake you can think of, and i'm telling you - do not use silicone. it is crap.
	10:57am Robert: Anyway, chlorine dioxide (which we were using to sterilize artificial kidney equipment) was also in use in Springfresh shower gel (as an antimicrobial for long lasting deodorant effect on skin), so I mixed some of the Tell-Veltman solution with some of my own bubble bath mixture (US pat. 5,336,446) in my bath, and afterward I noticed that where I'd accidentally splashed suds while bathing, the black fungus on the caulk & grout started to fade over a day or two. Ordinary hypochlorite bleach bleaches the fungus but is not good at killing it, while it seems this stuff is best at killing it while having no immediate bleaching effect.
	10:58am ᏠЄႶႶỊѺµЄ: Velvet Underground never gets old. Thanks Liz.
	11:01am KP: All Tomorrow's Pizza Parties
	11:01am Rev. Turnip Druid: Interesting visual miscue in Robert's comment above. I read "Ordinary hypocrite bleach" and now completely love that phrase. And will use it randomly all day.
	11:04am glenn: say rev, what's that you're pouring on your pancakes?
	11:06am Rev. Turnip Druid: This Winer thing has a bit of a Fred vibe. Dig.
	11:09am Rev. Turnip Druid: PAINcakes. Just consider the possibilities. International House of Pain-cakes. Waitress beats the sheet outta you with coffee-cup the minute you sit down.
	♥ 11:12am Guido from Cologne: PAINcakes? Very simple recipe! Add enough sand and shingles to the dough!
	11:13am βrian: You could have "Whisky and Pain-cakes" à la John Prine.
	11:13am david from ks: ,,,,,,,ooohhh i likes this!!!
	11:18am david from ks: ,,,this stuff could cause havoc on a dance floor somewheres!!
	♥ 11:23am Mike East: first day back from vacation is the worst. Though I did have some pancakes this morning and they were not painful.
	11:26am steve: hey people
	♥ 11:26am DCE: I know the feeling, Mike. It's horrible!
	11:26am steve: where'd you go Mike?
	♥ 11:28am efd: have to also give props to WFMU's own Monica - I bought that Jimmy "Bo" Horne LP from her at last fall's Record Fair!
	♥ 11:29am Mike East: @steve -Long Beach Island (Jersey Shore) @DCE - can't begin to explain how much I don't want to be at work right now. Being back tuned in to WFMU is the only consolation.
	11:34am Kevlicki: I haven't been to glass lands in years. Who goes there now and have they invested in a cooling unit for that space?
	♥ 11:37am Liz Berg: Ha ha, I remember those awful stuffy hot nights at Glasslands, Kevlicki! I think they got A/C (or at least a big fan) shortly after they got their liquor license.
	11:46am Rev. Turnip Druid: not a NYC resident, never been to Glasslands, but i'm suddenly reminded of a journey up to the Wetlands (circa 1990) to see Hawkwind, and behold, that was another "lands" in desperate need of CLIMATE CONTROL...
	11:46am Kevlicki: I miss the wetlands
	11:48am ᏠЄႶႶỊѺµЄ: ITS SANDWICH TIME.
	11:48am love in the ruins: now i'm hungry
	♥ 11:48am common: sandwich time!!!
	11:48am emilyhatestheworld: I fucking love sandwich time. And Sandwich Time.
	11:48am bobdoesthings: Wetlands the venue?
	♥ 11:48am rsj: this sandwich thing on monday has changed my whole week for the better, thanks liz!
	11:48am rw: Sandwich time?! Already?
	11:48am Kevlicki: It's easy to look back,fondly, at all the ill equipped venues. But I don't frequent them these days.
	11:49am KP: Thanks Liz
	11:49am steve: id be hard pressed to think of a venue in nyc in the 90s which i didn't leave drenched in sweat
	11:49am Rev. Turnip Druid: aye, bob: quite a stoney downstairs it had, as well. Great HW show, no complaints. Just hot as hellz.
	11:53am bobdoesthings: when did wetlands close? like 2004? I vaguely remember being bummed.
	11:53am steve: no a/c. a steady fog of cigarette smoke. it was a simpler time.
	11:58am northguineahills: wow, wetlands, there are some memories there. Thanks Liz!
	11:59am Kevlicki: I always love the LB rock set. Have a good week everyone!

Liz Berg: Playlist from July 28, 2014

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July 28, 2014: Bitten, Chewed

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	New	Approx. start time
Sir Richard Bishop	Hypostasis Part III	Solo Acoustic Volume Eight	VDSQ	*	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
The Clientele	Lamplight "Lamplight" by "The Clientele"	Live on WFMU with Irwin Chusid - July 23, 2014	Free Music Archive	*	0:08:58 (Pop-up)
Kelly Latimore	Papunya "Papunya" by "Kelly Latimore"	Trails	Free Music Archive	*	0:18:59 (Pop-up)
Unthunk	Perpetuum "Perpetuum" by "Unthunk"	The Anechoic Experience	Free Music Archive	*	0:21:10 (Pop-up)
Apache Tomcat	Something Deep "Something Deep" by "Apache Tomcat"	What's Later?	Free Music Archive	*	0:27:23 (Pop-up)
Alec's Band	Back to Buxton "Back to Buxton" by "Alec's Band"		Free Music Archive	*	0:33:14 (Pop-up)
Simon Mathewson	Metre Pt 4 "Metre Pt 4" by "Simon Mathewson"	Metre	Free Music Archive	*	0:35:51 (Pop-up)
UncleBibby	Jangus (inspired by ToeJam and Earl)	Free Music Project Vol. 1	Free Music Archive	*	0:45:09 (Pop-up)
Gregor Weichbrodt and Vicki Bennett	Who Am I? (excerpt)	Reading from the book The Fundamental Questions	Free Music Archive	*	0:47:20 (Pop-up)
11ème étage	Les Filles en Jogging	Le Prix du Son	Free Music Archive	*	0:49:48 (Pop-up)
Tony Gage	Deathgrind "Deathgrind" by "Tony Gage"	Gage Against The Machine	Free Music Archive	*	0:51:50 (Pop-up)

Eno / Hyde	Return "Return" by "Eno / Hyde"	High Life	Warp	*	1:02:00 (Pop-up)
The Horrors	Jealous Sun "Jealous Sun" by "The Horrors"	Luminous	XL	*	1:10:56 (Pop-up)
Dark Matter	Dark Matter "Dark Matter" by "Dark Matter"	Dark Matter	Siltbreeze	*	1:15:07 (Pop-up)
Soft Vision	Feel It Coming On "Feel It Coming On" by "Soft Vision"	Acoustic Division Sampler (V/A)	Hi-Definition	*	1:20:19 (Pop-up)
The Skygreen Leopards	WWIII Style	Family Crimes	Woodsist	*	1:23:31 (Pop-up)
Jad Fair & Danielson	Go Ahead "Go Ahead" by "Jad Fair & Danielson"	Solid Gold Heart	Sounds Familyre	*	1:25:46 (Pop-up)
Soft Walls	Never Come Back Again "Never Come Back Again" by "Soft Walls"	No Time	Trouble in Mind	*	1:28:49 (Pop-up)
Charts	Settling Down "Settling Down" by "Charts"	PDX Pop Now! 2014 (V/A)	Sky Onion	*	1:35:11 (Pop-up)
Mutating Meltdown	Six Minutes Underground	LP	Skrot Up	*	1:38:22 (Pop-up)
The GTVs	Be My Lady "Be My Lady" by "The GTVs"	Sh-Bang!	Teen Sound	*	1:40:32 (Pop-up)
Nolls	Here Before "Here Before" by "Nolls"	Losing Game b/w Here Before 7"	Lot	*	1:43:29 (Pop-up)

Lay Llamas	Ancient People of the Stars	Ostro	Rocket	*	1:50:37 (Pop-up)
Velvet Underground & Nico	All Tomorrow's Parties	45th Anniversary Deluxe Edition of The Velvet Underground & Nico	Polydor		1:56:35 (Pop-up)
Leslie Winer	Flove "Flove" by "Leslie Winer"	Witch	Superior Viaduct	*	2:02:21 (Pop-up)
Trans Am	Ice Fortress "Ice Fortress" by "Trans Am"	Volume X	Thrill Jockey	*	2:08:04 (Pop-up)
Nidia Minaj	V.A.G.G. (VA Ghetto Gang)	Estudio Da Mana	Brother Sister	*	2:11:59 (Pop-up)
Madlib	Disc 1, Track 10 "Disc 1, Track 10" by "Madlib"	Rock Konducta Pt 1 & 2	Rappcats / Madlib Invazion	*	2:14:22 (Pop-up)
Jungle	The Heat "The Heat" by "Jungle"	Jungle	XL	*	2:16:07 (Pop-up)
The Apostles	Onye Akpa "Onye Akpa" by "The Apostles"	Onye Akpa 7"	Academy / Voodoo Funk		2:19:21 (Pop-up)
Jimmy "Bo" Horne	I Want To Go Home With You	Starting with the '70s. Vol. 3: Evan "Funk" Davies's WFMU Premium 2014 (V/A)			2:22:29 (Pop-up)

Rakta	Secret "Secret" by "Rakta"	Rakta	540 Records	*	2:35:05 (Pop-up)
Priests	New "New" by "Priests"	Bodies and Control and Money and Power	Don Giovanni	*	2:38:31 (Pop-up)
Giorgio Murderer	Nobody Likes You (edit)	Primitive World 7"	Goner	*	2:40:52 (Pop-up)
Life Stinks	Sweep It Under the Rug	Portraits 7"	Total Punk	*	2:42:17 (Pop-up)
Happy Times	Side B, Track 2 "Side B, Track 2" by "Happy Times"	Hey Biscay 7"	Swashbuckling Hobo	*	2:45:47 (Pop-up)
Citizen Blast Kane	Sandwich Time "Sandwich Time" by "Citizen Blast Kane"	The Lobster Dinner Demos	Reduced Lunch	*	2:47:34 (Pop-up)
Ghetto Ghouls	Plastic Violence "Plastic Violence" by "Ghetto Ghouls"	Plastic Violence 7"	12XU	*	2:48:34 (Pop-up)
Mac Blackout Band	Black Knight "Black Knight" by "Mac Blackout Band"	Mac Blackout Band	Pelican Pow Wow	*	2:50:03 (Pop-up)
The Achtungs	You Don't Know "You Don't Know" by "The Achtungs"	Full of Hate	Going Underground	*	2:52:55 (Pop-up)
Shonen Knife	Jet Shot "Jet Shot" by "Shonen Knife"	Overdrive	Good Charamel	*	2:54:40 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 9:02am Guido from Cologne: hello Irene ... eeek ... LiZ !!!! ;-)
	♥ 9:05am Liz Berg: Hi Guido, and greetings to any other lurkers!
	9:06am glenn: you say lurkers like it's a bad thing.
	♥ 9:07am Liz Berg: It's quite alright to lurk!
	9:08am Dun-No: Morning Liz, what a nice way to start the show!
	♥ 9:10am Guido from Cologne: listen-lurkers! ... intersting performers, makes me curious.
	♥ 9:10am DCE: hi!
	♥ 9:12am common: hello!
	9:15am Nick from Indy: Reminds me of The Darkside
	♥ 9:15am Liz Berg: Anyone else get devoured by mosquitoes over the weekend? Tis the season!
	♥ 9:16am Guido from Cologne: Sound better than last wednesday. Was it my mobile, or was the some post-prodiction?
	9:17am glenn: love this clientele.
	♥ 9:18am Ken From Hyde Park: Just a few mosquitoes for me.
	9:18am Chris from DC: Yeah. Bummed I missed seeing the Clientele last week.
	9:32am Adrian: Hello liz and everyone else! There's an ant crawling across the floor and this track is making it seem extremely epic!
	9:33am Parq: Miz Liz, we were up on the Highline yesterday early evening. No skeeters, I'm pleased to say, but gnats were a problem. Adrian, listening to that track and picturing your ant made my whole morning.
	♥ 9:36am Liz Berg: Most of my mosquito bites came from one or two buggers that were inside my apt. Grr!
	9:39am Adrian: The ant has unfortunately left the room now :( that was fun while it lasted.
	9:44am richie: hi liz. good afternoon from dublin. just want to ask. would it be you every year @ primavera fest. in barcelona? i don't think you did a live coverage of primavera this year (i mean as wfmu crew)? coz i could not manage to go this year and i can't see anything from this year primavera in your archives.. nice day to you.
	♥ 9:47am Liz Berg: Hi Richie, we actually missed Primavera Sound this year (there was a scheduling conflict with WFMU's Record Fair). We hope to return next year!
	9:50am richie: oh cool! i see. hope i will get there next year as well, so hopefully i will be able to stop by and say halo to yous! i thought you finished going there for good (just wondered...)
	10:01am Robert: You mean cleaning the bathtub itself? Or the tile or joint around it?
	10:02am andymorphic: i spent the weekend trying to get a rat out of my basement.
	10:03am rob t: hello all
	♥ 10:04am Liz Berg: Cleaning the bathtub (bottom is scratched) and the crappy caulk some contractor used in lieu of grout around the rim. No amount of bleach, vinegar, hydrogen peroxide can remedy. Andymorphic, the rat in the basement sounds awful!
	♥ 10:04am common: our apartment is falling apart, liz. The window falls in when there is any kind of wind, our shower doesn't work - sometimes - our oven door wont stay shut and our landlord is a dick. ah, apartment life.
	10:05am Jeezy: Liz!!! Call Costa at 917-554-2144. My landlord reimbursed him for his famous bathtub re-glazings which run from $200-350 or so depending on condition. It's AMAZING. Mine went from utterly disgusting to like new!
	10:06am Jeezy: Major job though... you need to be out of apartment for at least 24 hours. Incredible process!
	10:07am andymorphic: my partners reaction to the rat is worse than the rat itself...grout between tiles but you have caulk the seem between tub and wall.
	10:07am rob t: my bathtub/shower stall is made of fiberglass and the paint is peeling.
	♥ 10:08am Liz Berg: Oh noes, common! Our oven doesn't start up sometimes, but I guess at least the windows stay shut! Thanks for the reglazing tip, Jeezy, that might work (tub is enamel)... now convincing our landlord that this is a problem he needs to spend money fixing is another story.
	10:09am robyn: LIZ B!
	10:13am KP: Good morning, Liz. Alt.side suspended today due to Idul-Fitr. How could i forget?
	♥ 10:13am common: glad your windows are doing what they should , liz!
	♥ 10:14am SSS: Installing tubs, showers, and such need a flexible seam around the interfacing edge / seam. Weight of people will move it around a tiny bit is why.
	10:14am Jeezy: Liz, tell your landlord a friend who works for health dept. saw tub and said that the black mold may be a health issue.. Infer that legal problems could occur if you get sick! Worked for me... :-)
	10:15am Jeezy: And it will definitely be work on your tub and you will be DAZZLED. Worth every penny, trust me.
	♥ 10:16am Liz Berg: You guys are the best! I'm asking the WFMU playlist comments instead of google next time, ha ha!
	♥ 10:23am Greg from Bloomfield: Morning Liz + everybody!
	10:25am βrian: Why, I was glazing old windows just this weekend.
	10:26am glenn: you have to caulk between tub and tile. grout will crack, as sss points out. don't use silicone. mould grows on it like stink. the best caulking is kop-r-lastic, or dymonic. tremco 555 is also good.
	♥ 10:27am Liz Berg: I think they used the wrong type of caulk, Glenn and SSS. The mold won't go away... bleach only turns it grey momentarily. Yuck.
	10:30am glenn: and now that i think about it, mapei makes caulking to match their grouts. so that would be my first choice, if i was doing it straight from taw.
	10:30am thriftstoreleather: oh yeah, the groove is on!
	10:31am glenn: www.mapei.com
	10:33am Robert: The caulk problem should easily be remedied by removal & replacement. Ordinarily you WOULD caulk rather than grout around a rim. What makes you say that area should be grouted? You want some give there & allowance for irregularity; it's not like the uniform & thin space between tiles that you'd grout.
	♥ 10:33am Liz Berg: Rock on, Glenn! Never thought I'd be so excited to learn about different caulks, but it sounds like my gross bathtub woes can be remedied.
	10:35am Robert: But glenn, the GE industrial what Irwin rescued from obscurity convinced me that silicones are the answer!
	10:36am glenn: well, if you need any advice. just shoot me an email.
	10:37am thriftstoreleather: I'm having repeated toilet troubles- I have 3 cats and a dog who shed chunks every time they exhale. so, I sweep. for I am the sweeper!
	10:37am glenn: i never use silicone for anything. it's garbage.
	10:37am thriftstoreleather: and the plummer
	10:38am thriftstoreleather: show frickin rocks, Liz- as always!
	♥ 10:39am Guido from Cologne: LOVE THE SHOW LIZ!
	♥ 10:40am Ken From Hyde Park: Flash mob at Liz' place this afternoon! A-E bring scrapers. F-J bring caulk. K-Z bring beer.
	♥ 10:46am Whosondephone: Getting Psyched for SANDWICH TIME!!! CBK BABY!!!
	♥ 10:46am Sem Chumbo: Nice to see Home Improvement is back on the air. Who plays Tim Allen now?
	10:47am andymorphic: ok...you fixed the tub...what about my rat?
	10:48am Robert: I don't know if you got the joke, glenn. Years ago Irwin Chusid found recordings from an industrial musical done for General Electric. The song about silicones was great. So great, in fact, that the staffers at WFMU a few yrs. ago covered it. According to it, silicones from GE are unquestionably the answer. Of course the question in this case may be, what's crap for bathroom caulk?
	10:48am glenn: swing him round and round.
	10:48am Spencer: Hey Liz!
	10:49am glenn: ah. i didn't get the joke.
	10:50am Cheri Pi: I will attempt to rebeautify my tub with these helpful tips. SANDWICH TIME??? WHEN?
	♥ 10:51am Liz Berg: Fear not fine people, sandwich time will come in due time...
	10:51am Robert: BTW, I accidentally discovered a good long-term fix for bathroom fungus: chlorine dioxide. Yrs. ago I worked with the Tell-Veltman patent for making ClO2 solution; the brilliant Pres Veltman was our consultant. You have to make a buffer from bicarb of soda & citric acid, and let it react a couple days with sodium chlorite (not chloride).
	10:53am Snortley: Yes, silicone is the way to go. You have to use the anti-microbial type specifically intended for bathrooms, or the stains will re-occur.
	♥ 10:53am SSS: OK OK! Here is the full take on bathroom fixture install (how & why I do it anyway). I DO work in a small amount of grout in the load bearing seams, but not too much, as I caulk over that when the grout is dry. The flexible seam of caulk eventually will leak somewhere along its length, probably many places, just a little, starting mold to growth. Once it is wet under a bathroom appliance, it will not dry out, and there is plenty of mold under there for sure, and only full tear out is sure to stop it. Cement board under all, grout around all seams, caulk flexing seams as well, and most important, remove old caulk every two years or so and re-caulk. Good god, who have I become?!
	10:53am Rev. Turnip Druid: ooh. this.
	10:55am KP: I had calf-deep standing water in tub for while. Sandy water here is a remnant of Hurricane Sandy and it clogs the drains as well as adding interest to your diet.
	10:57am glenn: i'm a red seal carpenter. i've been building hoses for 30 years. i've used every caulk there is. i've made every mistake you can think of, and i'm telling you - do not use silicone. it is crap.
	10:57am Robert: Anyway, chlorine dioxide (which we were using to sterilize artificial kidney equipment) was also in use in Springfresh shower gel (as an antimicrobial for long lasting deodorant effect on skin), so I mixed some of the Tell-Veltman solution with some of my own bubble bath mixture (US pat. 5,336,446) in my bath, and afterward I noticed that where I'd accidentally splashed suds while bathing, the black fungus on the caulk & grout started to fade over a day or two. Ordinary hypochlorite bleach bleaches the fungus but is not good at killing it, while it seems this stuff is best at killing it while having no immediate bleaching effect.
	10:58am ᏠЄႶႶỊѺµЄ: Velvet Underground never gets old. Thanks Liz.
	11:01am KP: All Tomorrow's Pizza Parties
	11:01am Rev. Turnip Druid: Interesting visual miscue in Robert's comment above. I read "Ordinary hypocrite bleach" and now completely love that phrase. And will use it randomly all day.
	11:04am glenn: say rev, what's that you're pouring on your pancakes?
	11:06am Rev. Turnip Druid: This Winer thing has a bit of a Fred vibe. Dig.
	11:09am Rev. Turnip Druid: PAINcakes. Just consider the possibilities. International House of Pain-cakes. Waitress beats the sheet outta you with coffee-cup the minute you sit down.
	♥ 11:12am Guido from Cologne: PAINcakes? Very simple recipe! Add enough sand and shingles to the dough!
	11:13am βrian: You could have "Whisky and Pain-cakes" à la John Prine.
	11:13am david from ks: ,,,,,,,ooohhh i likes this!!!
	11:18am david from ks: ,,,this stuff could cause havoc on a dance floor somewheres!!
	♥ 11:23am Mike East: first day back from vacation is the worst. Though I did have some pancakes this morning and they were not painful.
	11:26am steve: hey people
	♥ 11:26am DCE: I know the feeling, Mike. It's horrible!
	11:26am steve: where'd you go Mike?
	♥ 11:28am efd: have to also give props to WFMU's own Monica - I bought that Jimmy "Bo" Horne LP from her at last fall's Record Fair!
	♥ 11:29am Mike East: @steve -Long Beach Island (Jersey Shore) @DCE - can't begin to explain how much I don't want to be at work right now. Being back tuned in to WFMU is the only consolation.
	11:34am Kevlicki: I haven't been to glass lands in years. Who goes there now and have they invested in a cooling unit for that space?
	♥ 11:37am Liz Berg: Ha ha, I remember those awful stuffy hot nights at Glasslands, Kevlicki! I think they got A/C (or at least a big fan) shortly after they got their liquor license.
	11:46am Rev. Turnip Druid: not a NYC resident, never been to Glasslands, but i'm suddenly reminded of a journey up to the Wetlands (circa 1990) to see Hawkwind, and behold, that was another "lands" in desperate need of CLIMATE CONTROL...
	11:46am Kevlicki: I miss the wetlands
	11:48am ᏠЄႶႶỊѺµЄ: ITS SANDWICH TIME.
	11:48am love in the ruins: now i'm hungry
	♥ 11:48am common: sandwich time!!!
	11:48am emilyhatestheworld: I fucking love sandwich time. And Sandwich Time.
	11:48am bobdoesthings: Wetlands the venue?
	♥ 11:48am rsj: this sandwich thing on monday has changed my whole week for the better, thanks liz!
	11:48am rw: Sandwich time?! Already?
	11:48am Kevlicki: It's easy to look back,fondly, at all the ill equipped venues. But I don't frequent them these days.
	11:49am KP: Thanks Liz
	11:49am steve: id be hard pressed to think of a venue in nyc in the 90s which i didn't leave drenched in sweat
	11:49am Rev. Turnip Druid: aye, bob: quite a stoney downstairs it had, as well. Great HW show, no complaints. Just hot as hellz.
	11:53am bobdoesthings: when did wetlands close? like 2004? I vaguely remember being bummed.
	11:53am steve: no a/c. a steady fog of cigarette smoke. it was a simpler time.
	11:58am northguineahills: wow, wetlands, there are some memories there. Thanks Liz!
	11:59am Kevlicki: I always love the LB rock set. Have a good week everyone!

Liz Berg: Playlist from July 28, 2014

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