WFMU: Liz Berg: Playlist from March 31, 2014

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	9:02am fred: Good morning Liz and Lizners
	9:02am fxo: mornin', Liz...
	9:02am common: good morn liz, fred, all.
	9:02am DCE: good morning everybody.
	9:04am Jeroen Kuster: Good morning Liz,common,dce and Fred
	9:04am Guido from Cologne: Hello Liz and all the others!
	9:05am Cheri Pi: this is Lizsting along quite nicely.
	9:08am duke: Morning Liz and Lix fans
	9:09am Liz Berg: Welcome everybody, good to see a healthy showing already today!
	9:10am Sem Chumbo: Hiya, Liz. Place is crowded this morning,
	9:13am bibi: hi liz & steners. thought for a sec this was coil. already starclicked.
	9:13am fred: @Sem: That's weird, usually people don't go to places that are this crowded. Then again, Liz is special
	9:15am doca: Morning, people and non-people!
	9:17am doca: So this monamie is really serbian? Nice...
	9:17am fred: I love how Liz starts smoothly yet soon gets into Lupicaish caffeinated territory
	9:19am Jeroen Kuster: wow wow wow nice
	9:20am kosta: See, its like mental cleansing through sound from the master purveyor... Hey Liz, and fellow listeners, good to be back!
	9:29am Liz Berg: Welcome back, Kosta! My volume knob gradually moves clockwise this morning.
	9:32am Rev. Turnip Druid: Peace be witchu.
	9:32am bibi: gainsbourg would ve played idm in early 00s. for sure.
	9:36am doca: that's true, @bibi.
	9:37am Sem Chumbo: @fred 9:13: out of the room for your Yogi Berra quote. Hahaha:)
	9:37am DCE: ample mammal?
	9:37am KP: Back in a New York moog
	9:38am Jeroen Kuster: Hi Liz and everyone. I have to go but I'll definitely listen later Thanks to next week
	9:39am Lucas: Hello everyone!
	9:41am Lucas: nnnice to catch the show live :)
	9:42am Liz Berg: Good to have you here live, Lucas!
	9:46am fred: @Sem: I told you he was my 2nd fave philosopher. Seriously: "when you come to a fork in the road, take it", most people would say it's from some Zen monk, not a catcher
	9:46am Lucas: Yes! :) !
	9:47am lucas: yo Fred!!
	9:48am Jeezy: Another rainy Monday of gloom and despair. :Sigh:
	9:50am Liz Berg: Cheer up, Jeezy! We've got the Shjips!
	9:50am fred: Hey Lucas! We had no winter to speak of here, how was yours? Are you coming over for Sonic Protest?
	9:51am Sem Chumbo: @Jeezy: around here pessimists would say it couldn't get any worse than that, but the optimists would say it definitely could.
	9:51am Ken From Hyde Park: I guessed that Wooden Shijps was playing and the playlist confirmed it!
	9:52am bibi: @fred, you cannot write this down without letting us know your top10 philosophers. i keep the 'fork' one for my next chance to social excellence.
	9:52am Jeezy: Thanks Liz & Sem! I shall try!
	9:53am mariano: Optimists are never pleasantly surprised... 'Morning Liz, fellow Berglars.
	9:58am KP: Boogarin Nights
	9:59am lucas: @fred: it was a kind winter. sadly i cant go for sonic protest :(
	10:05am fred: @bibi: 10 may stretch it, but here it comes: Ludwig Wittgenstein Yogi Berra Groucho Marx Bertrand Russell Karl Popper Saul Kripke John Locke John Rawls X.Ray Burns W.V. Quine
	10:05am KP: Hey Liz
	10:09am bibi: wittgenstein, oh boy, de la certitude remains my worst reading ever. but i pick popper up. and russell for a very anecdotic reason you might guess...
	10:12am Liz Berg: I'm so glad X.Ray Burns made it to your top 10, Fred!
	10:13am bibi: your turn liz, we are all so curious...
	10:14am fred: Russell was so funny, his bitchy put downs of people he disliked were great, and he knew how to pace the fun breaks from the serious stuff. I've read the Tractatus well over twenty times, I love it even more than PI. On Certainty is kinda weak, too repetitive
	10:19am fred von helsing: hey fred thanx for the ptr to massicot. they sound... different :)
	10:19am fred: @Liz: I couldn't leave him out, he's an icon. Seriously, his solo "fill-ins" are amazing radio, he clued me to Atoms, Motion, and the Void, which is great radio. He's a clown, and a wise one
	10:20am fred: @FVH: you should see them live, the only predictable thing is that they'll be better
	10:21am Liz Berg: I regret to say I'm not so well-versed in philosophy. Spent most of my higher education in science labs. Read a few tomes here and there (Sartre, Derrida, etc), but I wouldn't say I subscribe to any in particular.
	10:23am Liz Berg: Maybe you guys can suggest some reading for me?!
	10:23am DCE: Liz the scientist! I love it
	10:25am bibi: on certainty is an aphorism greatest hits. so over 100 pages it's just unbearable if not from a funky one like cioran or kierkegaard...
	10:26am fred: @Liz: I may be French, but you probably know much more about French philosophy than I do. I tried to read those guys but wouldn't recommend them except as sleep aids. Though Marx and Keynes can't be beat for sleep-inducing, if all fails you can beat yourself to sleep, there are hefty works
	10:28am mariano: @fred: was gonna say, a conspicuous lack of French philosophers. Years ago, a friend of mine much better versed in philosophy than I am guided me through Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals, which is a really tough but rewarding reading, another treasure trove of aphorisms, like most of his work.
	10:28am fred: @bibi: never tried Cioran or Kierkegaard. They look too sentimental for me, I may be wrong about that. I've a great track record of being wrong about stuff
	10:31am Sonofnothing - Wallkill, NY: Good stuff here!
	10:32am Guido from Cologne: Only read secundary literature and quotations. For sure I hate Heidegger for bothering the reader with his horrible syntax constructions (more focus on syntax constructions than essencial ideas ... obnoxious). Russel was good in explaining things (read his history of philosophy). Wittgenstein helped to put the focus on building blocks of thoughts and kicked some inpulses into informatics. Walter Benjamin put the right questions long before the dawn of Andy Warhol.
	10:32am bibi: the best way to philosphy maybe remains the good old greek fashion, talking under a tree, or around a nice wfmu show. @fred, yr list suggested well you are not a sentimental one.
	10:33am fred: @mariano: I tried but could never make it through any of Nietzche's books, sophomoric to me. To paraphrase Russell in his bitchy mode: for someone so keen on the Super Man, he seemed all to eager to get whipped by a dominatrix
	10:35am mariano: @Guido: yeah, Benjamin, and Auerbach -- Mimesis was another big milestone read for me, as for a lot of people. @fred: well, give the guy a break, he did have syphilis! Besides, the whole Uebermensch thing gets overemphasized with him, I believe. But I do appreciate Russell's bitchiness.
	10:35am doca: @fred: best comment possible on Nietzsche
	10:36am fred: @bibi: I'm a software developer by trade, and I've often said I saw that as applied philosophy. Wittgenstein is directly useful there, French philosophers not at all
	10:36am doca: I think Walter Benjamin is an essential reading for today's world, one of the few writers I look for "guidance" (whatever that means).
	10:37am doca: Plus he's relatively easy to read, writing in a kinda poetic way.
	10:39am bibi: @mariano, i do agree, the uebermensch is a regular & easy misinterpretation. yeah, benjamin, thats a good idea for liz, it's a very pleasant (philosophical) reading.
	10:40am fred: @mariano: Russell always made it clear he was switching into what I call "bitchy mode", and the total lack of fairness was part of the fun, like his routine about his being the Pope
	10:40am Guido from Cologne: Nietsche was kinda punkt the 19th centuriy Burgeois intellectuals. I read Zarathustra: I doupt if it's really philosophy.
	10:42am doca: I imagine Nietzsche and Wagner as the 19th century equivalent of the Sex Pistols
	10:44am mariano: @fred: Nietzsche was always in bitchy mode too, which is why I like aphorisms, whether they make sense or not. He just seems like someone fun to sit with at a tavern and listen to him hold forth. Don't know if he has much status as a serious philosopher these days, but AJ Ayer has lots of really cool stories associated with him, like when he confronted Mike Tyson (Ayer was in his 70s and looked a good bit like Orville Redenbacher) and got him to back down.
	10:44am doca: Today's the 50th "anniversary" of Brazilian military coup d'état. I'm standing in expectation for the day to be over as the pile of shit celebrating it gets bigger and bigger (sorry for the bitter comment)
	10:44am Guido from Cologne: Thank you doca for helping me with my horrible typos (i meant "kinda punk to the 19th centuriy Burgeois intellectuals")
	10:46am doca: @Guido: punkt is the third person for the german verb "punken"? ich punke, du punkst, er punkt...
	10:46am Ken From Hyde Park: Copies of philosophy texts online for free - www.classicly.com...
	10:48am fred: @Liz: you must wonder where this came from, like which track started this
	10:48am doca: Nobody said Plato? I think he was a really great writer (there was even controversy in ancient times regarding this, as he usually condemned fiction but was considered a great fiction writer). Also Aristotle, I always think I'm reading stand-up comedy when I read him
	10:48am Guido from Cologne: @doca I if "punk" was a verb it could work.
	10:48am pollen: Pessoa
	10:49am drumsoverbogota: Is there actually a verb Punken?
	10:49am mariano: @Guido & fred: part of the reason Nietzsche resonated with me is that I have a bit of a Classics background, so when I read him saying that Greek philosophy started going downhill with Socrates, it really made me take notice: I like a nice competing narrative, especially given the reverence with which Classics are usually approached.
	10:50am doca: @drums: I think not eheh I guess in German it is not so easy to create verbs as it is in English, but I'm only guessing.
	10:51am Guido from Cologne: Plato in today's evaluation would be considered a fashist .. just sayin'
	10:51am drumsoverbogota: I hated Plato when I tried to read him in my greek classes. Maybe in another language it's more... entertaining
	10:52am mariano: Ok, this calls for the Philosophers' Drinking Song maybe.
	10:53am fred: @doca: I put Popper in my top ten, his criticism of Plato was convincing to me. And I had been (academically) raised to worship Plato
	10:53am Guido from Cologne: Classical Philosophy: different times and models of thinking. I actually read some Cicero's philosophical fictional debates of rivaling philosophical schools. Can be pretty odd to today's brain. Plato can be alsp pretty odd.
	10:54am doca: @Guido: that's true, but this concept doesn't do justice to his philosophy. Besides, I think most ancient philosophers or philosophers until the 19th century would fall on that category.
	10:54am Guido from Cologne: No verb "punken" in "official German", but you coul invent one.
	10:55am doca: @fred: I've never read Popper, though everybody talks about falseability and those things. Ah for Liz, I think Foucault is one guy you can start reading and then spreading out from there.
	10:55am DCE: I've never had dim sum, have you?
	10:56am mariano: DCE: Never had dim sum?!? Oh Lord, to hell with philosophy, this is something serious! You need to get a group of about 10 people and hit your nearest Chinatown!
	10:58am duke: Every time I hear this "Boots" bed music, I want to hear the Nancy Sinatra version.
	10:59am Guido from Cologne: Ancient Greece was suffering from too much corruption. Russel had described Sparta (proto fashist military state) as the ancient Greek's ideal desire for law and order and in the following adds a quote by Aristoteles "you can get nothing working in Sparta without payola". Like it was Soviet Union already.
	10:59am bibi: @guido, even reading some early xxth philosophy can be scary, for example racism was a regular statement to many very smart people.
	11:00am drumsoverbogota: I guess then "Ich punke jeden tag"
	11:01am doca: Gotta lunch, no dim sum tough. Great philosophy and music to you all
	11:01am Guido from Cologne: @bibi agreed!
	11:03am paula pc: liz YAY you know science!!!!!
	11:03am mariano: Yeah, Liz: this board is for all those people who say this kinda music is nothing but brain rot!
	11:04am joe: 'ello folks I'm very excited for Cibo Matto too. :D
	11:06am Irwin: Raymond Scott Rewired: www.scottrewired.com Thanks, Liz!
	11:07am Guido from Cologne: @Liz also 7 star-click from me @ this show. Do I remeber that right: Otis Fodder of Bran Flakes was also somehow active with WFMU?
	11:08am mariano: Ancient Greek society, for all the talk of democracy, was, depending on the location, pretty undemocratic by our standards. For women it was something similar to living under the Taliban. And Plato's Republic? No theater (and presumably no TV or cinema then) and all music and poetry had to be in praise of the state? Sounds a lot like North Korea.
	11:09am Guido from Cologne: We made a long way: 2000 years! And still nothing is for guarantee!
	11:10am Guido from Cologne: Trin Tran : 8th star click ;-)
	11:12am fred: @bibi: Fanon can be scary too. Mandatory reading no matter how uncomfortable, but Said is more hopeful
	11:14am DCE: phew, just had an extended battle with the server, but now I'm back on
	11:16am Liz Berg: I'm loving all of the philosophy recommendations and debates, thanks you guys! Guido, Otis Fodder did the 365 Days Project and was in charge of WFMU's blog for a while.
	11:18am fred: @Liz: don't ask me how we got there
	11:19am Guido from Cologne: Was in contact with Otis briefely when I was involved in a net-label thing.
	11:21am mariano: @fred: as so often is the case, it was Yogi Berra.
	11:30am Carmichael: Good morning Liz and vast peoples.
	11:31am Sem Berra: @fred 11:18:I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that question.
	11:32am fred: @mariano: we're safe then, I got scared for a while
	11:33am fred: @Sem: easy: we came to the fork and we took it
	11:35am Mdurek: Cibo Matto! Yes!
	11:36am mariano: Bettye Lavette and Bob Mould on the same ticket, playing Paul Simon? Whoa!
	11:36am Guido from Cologne: @ LIZ No Ben watt @ Trouble this Week !!! Trouble wrote @ FaceBook: "Due to crazy ass red tape Ben Watt has had to postpone his US visit. So no Ben this week. We will reschedule...."
	11:37am fred: @Sem: that Yogi Berra quip actually did start that philosophy talk. No joke, it did. Shame might be involved
	11:38am Sem Chumbo: You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there:)
	11:40am Sem Chumbo: and that is the last one for today. Next week: Marcus Aurelius.
	11:42am fred: MES!!!
	11:43am bibi: @fred, is mark e smith 11th on yr philosophers list ?!
	11:44am Cheri Pi: MESMESMES
	11:44am fred: @bibi: MES is first on his own list, he wouldn't have it any other way
	11:46am bibi: one MES cant be wrong.
	11:46am Sean D. Daily: Immanuel Kant was a real pissant Who was very rarely stable. Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar Who could think you under the table. David Hume could out-consume Schopenhauer and Hegel, And Wittgenstein was a beery swine Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel. There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya' 'Bout the raising of the wrist. Socrates himself was permanently pissed... John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill. Plato, they say, could stick it away; Half a crate of whiskey every day. Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle, Hobbes was fond of his dram, And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart: "I drink, therefore I am" Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed; A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed! (thanks to Monty Python, BTW)
	11:46am common: I'll get in on that conversation, fred!
	11:46am fred: @bibi: again: are you going to another Sonic Protest show, besides Merzbow?
	11:55am bibi: @fred, not overly excited by other dates, maybe 12th could make it. an exhaustive saturday prog.
	11:57am mariano: Great discussion provoking show, Liz, thanks to you and all!
	11:58am fred: I'm not excited either, but I'll be there. You'll know me by the bright red WFMU bag, come and say hi if you see me
	11:59am bibi: no need to say the show was great, liz. 8 on guido scale tells a lot.
	12:00pm Guido from Cologne: GREAT SHOW LIZ! It's already 11 star clicks. I would have been even more if I wasn't working! :-)
	12:02pm bibi: 11 on guido scale, i can fell the ground shaking.
	7:25pm Billy Jam: amazing show……midway into it - in archives and loving every song

Liz Berg: Playlist from March 31, 2014

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	New	Approx. start time
Sore Eros & Kurt Vile	Calling Out of Work	Jamaica Plain	Care In The Community	*	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Small Colin	Warmed Up "Warmed Up" by "Small Colin"	Mono Box	Free Music Archive	*	0:05:49 (Pop-up)
Monamie	Static (edit) "Static (edit)" by "Monamie"	The Black Wave	Free Music Archive	*	0:11:20 (Pop-up)
Phundamental	Pino "Pino" by "Phundamental"	Sporadic Fault	Free Music Archive	*	0:15:56 (Pop-up)
The Candy Strypers	Born on a Train	Dressing Up - The EPOP Covers (V/A)	Free Music Archive	*	0:20:12 (Pop-up)
Ergo Phizmiz	Papageno Drunk "Papageno Drunk" by "Ergo Phizmiz"	Two Harpsichord Miniatures on Mozart	Free Music Archive	*	0:24:25 (Pop-up)
Simon Mathewson	The Trans-Eurasian	Resurgasm 2	Free Music Archive	*	0:25:15 (Pop-up)
Aden Ôhm	Negusa Nagast I "Negusa Nagast I" by "Aden Ôhm"	La Loi De Morphine	Free Music Archive	*	0:30:29 (Pop-up)
Ample Mammal	Pushing Time "Pushing Time" by "Ample Mammal"	Mating Season	Free Music Archive	*	0:33:30 (Pop-up)
RoccoW	This Little Piggy Danced "This Little Piggy Danced" by "RoccoW"	Weeklybeats 2014	Free Music Archive	*	0:39:13 (Pop-up)
Alcrete	Song 2 "Song 2" by "Alcrete"	Live on If You Got Ears	Free Music Archive	*	0:42:00 (Pop-up)
Apache Tomcat	Look Up At the Clouds	What's Later?	Free Music Archive	*	0:46:11 (Pop-up)
Wooden Shjips	Ruins "Ruins" by "Wooden Shjips"	Live on WFMU with Terese: Nov 18, 2013	Free Music Archive	*	0:48:02 (Pop-up)
Boogarins	Hoje Aprendi de Verdade	Live on WFMU's Three Chord Monte with Joe Belock: March 25, 2014	Free Music Archive	*	0:53:42 (Pop-up)
Atlantic Thrills	Acid Rain "Acid Rain" by "Atlantic Thrills"	Live on WFMU's Cherry Blossom Clinic with Terre T: Feb 8, 2014	Free Music Archive	*	0:59:10 (Pop-up)
Pampers	Shot "Shot" by "Pampers"	Live on WFMU's Cherry Blossom Clinic with Terre T: Feb 15, 2014	Free Music Archive	*	1:02:42 (Pop-up)

Alek et Les Japonaises	Tori No Karaage	Kokekokko		*	1:09:26 (Pop-up)
Lake	Circular Doorway "Circular Doorway" by "Lake"	Circular Doorway	Water Island	*	1:12:29 (Pop-up)
Natural Child	Bailando Con Lobos "Bailando Con Lobos" by "Natural Child"	Dancin' With Wolves	Burger	*	1:15:25 (Pop-up)
Rockfire Funk Express	People Save the World	People Save the World 7"	Third Man		1:17:44 (Pop-up)
Lee Ranaldo and The Dust	Blackout	Last Night On Earth Demos and Rehearsals	Lazy 8	*	1:21:11 (Pop-up)
Ruined Fortune	Transparent Faces "Transparent Faces" by "Ruined Fortune"	Ruined Fortune	Hozac	*	1:30:39 (Pop-up)
People's Temple	Crimson Rose "Crimson Rose" by "People's Temple"	Musical Garden	Hozac	*	1:36:03 (Pop-up)
Warm Soda	When Your Eyes Meet Mine	Young Reckless Hearts	Castle Face	*	1:38:11 (Pop-up)
Fine Steps	3 Stereo "3 Stereo" by "Fine Steps"	All Day Long 7"	Volar	*	1:40:30 (Pop-up)
Connections	Miller's Grove "Miller's Grove" by "Connections"	Year One	Anyway	*	1:43:57 (Pop-up)
Smart Boys	Sacked "Sacked" by "Smart Boys"	A Different World Now 7"	Matador	*	1:45:36 (Pop-up)
Lenz	Airplanefiretruck "Airplanefiretruck" by "Lenz"	Frozen Touch 7"	Volar	*	1:48:55 (Pop-up)
Teenage Burritos	Danya "Danya" by "Teenage Burritos"	Danya 7"	Volar	*	1:50:32 (Pop-up)
999999999	Sick Dreams "Sick Dreams" by "999999999"	White Devils 7"	Hozac	*	1:52:46 (Pop-up)
Maniac	Dim Sum "Dim Sum" by "Maniac"	DIm Sum 7"	La-Ti-Da	*	1:54:57 (Pop-up)

Bran Flakes / Evolution Control Committee / Go Home Productions	Cindy Byrdsong	Raymond Scott Rewired	Basta	*	2:03:19 (Pop-up)
Trin Tran	Eyes the Size "Eyes the Size" by "Trin Tran"	Far Reaches	Castle Face	*	2:07:29 (Pop-up)
Malachi	Don't Try This At Home "Don't Try This At Home" by "Malachi"	Beyond Ugly	Double Six	*	2:10:17 (Pop-up)
Trase	Sketch-1 "Sketch-1" by "Trase"	Trase	Finders Keepers		2:12:19 (Pop-up)
Torn Hawk	Money Only Becomes Money	Bad Deadlift	Long Island Electrical Systems	*	2:17:50 (Pop-up)
Akkord	Smoke Circle "Smoke Circle" by "Akkord"	Akkord	Houndstooth	*	2:21:08 (Pop-up)
Ibibio Sound Machine	Let's Dance "Let's Dance" by "Ibibio Sound Machine"	Ibibio Sound Machine	Soundway	*	2:25:11 (Pop-up)

The Fall	Say Mama / Race with the Devil	The Remainderer	Cherry Red	*	2:40:08 (Pop-up)
Pharoahs	Out of My Mind "Out of My Mind" by "Pharoahs"	Moan	Burger	*	2:43:22 (Pop-up)
Bad Lovers	Freaks "Freaks" by "Bad Lovers"	Wild Times	Burger	*	2:46:18 (Pop-up)
Dirty Fences	What's That Strange?	Too High To Kross	Volcom	*	2:49:54 (Pop-up)
Guinea Worms	The Credit Card Slide	Split 7" w/ The In-Out	Botulism Music	*	2:52:21 (Pop-up)
Radar Eyes	Positive Feedback "Positive Feedback" by "Radar Eyes"	Positive Feedback 7"	Hozac	*	2:55:47 (Pop-up)
Electric Eels	Jaguar Ride "Jaguar Ride" by "Electric Eels"	Jaguar Ride 7"	Hozac		2:58:54 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:02am fred: Good morning Liz and Lizners
	9:02am fxo: mornin', Liz...
	9:02am common: good morn liz, fred, all.
	9:02am DCE: good morning everybody.
	9:04am Jeroen Kuster: Good morning Liz,common,dce and Fred
	9:04am Guido from Cologne: Hello Liz and all the others!
	9:05am Cheri Pi: this is Lizsting along quite nicely.
	9:08am duke: Morning Liz and Lix fans
	9:09am Liz Berg: Welcome everybody, good to see a healthy showing already today!
	9:10am Sem Chumbo: Hiya, Liz. Place is crowded this morning,
	9:13am bibi: hi liz & steners. thought for a sec this was coil. already starclicked.
	9:13am fred: @Sem: That's weird, usually people don't go to places that are this crowded. Then again, Liz is special
	9:15am doca: Morning, people and non-people!
	9:17am doca: So this monamie is really serbian? Nice...
	9:17am fred: I love how Liz starts smoothly yet soon gets into Lupicaish caffeinated territory
	9:19am Jeroen Kuster: wow wow wow nice
	9:20am kosta: See, its like mental cleansing through sound from the master purveyor... Hey Liz, and fellow listeners, good to be back!
	9:29am Liz Berg: Welcome back, Kosta! My volume knob gradually moves clockwise this morning.
	9:32am Rev. Turnip Druid: Peace be witchu.
	9:32am bibi: gainsbourg would ve played idm in early 00s. for sure.
	9:36am doca: that's true, @bibi.
	9:37am Sem Chumbo: @fred 9:13: out of the room for your Yogi Berra quote. Hahaha:)
	9:37am DCE: ample mammal?
	9:37am KP: Back in a New York moog
	9:38am Jeroen Kuster: Hi Liz and everyone. I have to go but I'll definitely listen later Thanks to next week
	9:39am Lucas: Hello everyone!
	9:41am Lucas: nnnice to catch the show live :)
	9:42am Liz Berg: Good to have you here live, Lucas!
	9:46am fred: @Sem: I told you he was my 2nd fave philosopher. Seriously: "when you come to a fork in the road, take it", most people would say it's from some Zen monk, not a catcher
	9:46am Lucas: Yes! :) !
	9:47am lucas: yo Fred!!
	9:48am Jeezy: Another rainy Monday of gloom and despair. :Sigh:
	9:50am Liz Berg: Cheer up, Jeezy! We've got the Shjips!
	9:50am fred: Hey Lucas! We had no winter to speak of here, how was yours? Are you coming over for Sonic Protest?
	9:51am Sem Chumbo: @Jeezy: around here pessimists would say it couldn't get any worse than that, but the optimists would say it definitely could.
	9:51am Ken From Hyde Park: I guessed that Wooden Shijps was playing and the playlist confirmed it!
	9:52am bibi: @fred, you cannot write this down without letting us know your top10 philosophers. i keep the 'fork' one for my next chance to social excellence.
	9:52am Jeezy: Thanks Liz & Sem! I shall try!
	9:53am mariano: Optimists are never pleasantly surprised... 'Morning Liz, fellow Berglars.
	9:58am KP: Boogarin Nights
	9:59am lucas: @fred: it was a kind winter. sadly i cant go for sonic protest :(
	10:05am fred: @bibi: 10 may stretch it, but here it comes: Ludwig Wittgenstein Yogi Berra Groucho Marx Bertrand Russell Karl Popper Saul Kripke John Locke John Rawls X.Ray Burns W.V. Quine
	10:05am KP: Hey Liz
	10:09am bibi: wittgenstein, oh boy, de la certitude remains my worst reading ever. but i pick popper up. and russell for a very anecdotic reason you might guess...
	10:12am Liz Berg: I'm so glad X.Ray Burns made it to your top 10, Fred!
	10:13am bibi: your turn liz, we are all so curious...
	10:14am fred: Russell was so funny, his bitchy put downs of people he disliked were great, and he knew how to pace the fun breaks from the serious stuff. I've read the Tractatus well over twenty times, I love it even more than PI. On Certainty is kinda weak, too repetitive
	10:19am fred von helsing: hey fred thanx for the ptr to massicot. they sound... different :)
	10:19am fred: @Liz: I couldn't leave him out, he's an icon. Seriously, his solo "fill-ins" are amazing radio, he clued me to Atoms, Motion, and the Void, which is great radio. He's a clown, and a wise one
	10:20am fred: @FVH: you should see them live, the only predictable thing is that they'll be better
	10:21am Liz Berg: I regret to say I'm not so well-versed in philosophy. Spent most of my higher education in science labs. Read a few tomes here and there (Sartre, Derrida, etc), but I wouldn't say I subscribe to any in particular.
	10:23am Liz Berg: Maybe you guys can suggest some reading for me?!
	10:23am DCE: Liz the scientist! I love it
	10:25am bibi: on certainty is an aphorism greatest hits. so over 100 pages it's just unbearable if not from a funky one like cioran or kierkegaard...
	10:26am fred: @Liz: I may be French, but you probably know much more about French philosophy than I do. I tried to read those guys but wouldn't recommend them except as sleep aids. Though Marx and Keynes can't be beat for sleep-inducing, if all fails you can beat yourself to sleep, there are hefty works
	10:28am mariano: @fred: was gonna say, a conspicuous lack of French philosophers. Years ago, a friend of mine much better versed in philosophy than I am guided me through Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals, which is a really tough but rewarding reading, another treasure trove of aphorisms, like most of his work.
	10:28am fred: @bibi: never tried Cioran or Kierkegaard. They look too sentimental for me, I may be wrong about that. I've a great track record of being wrong about stuff
	10:31am Sonofnothing - Wallkill, NY: Good stuff here!
	10:32am Guido from Cologne: Only read secundary literature and quotations. For sure I hate Heidegger for bothering the reader with his horrible syntax constructions (more focus on syntax constructions than essencial ideas ... obnoxious). Russel was good in explaining things (read his history of philosophy). Wittgenstein helped to put the focus on building blocks of thoughts and kicked some inpulses into informatics. Walter Benjamin put the right questions long before the dawn of Andy Warhol.
	10:32am bibi: the best way to philosphy maybe remains the good old greek fashion, talking under a tree, or around a nice wfmu show. @fred, yr list suggested well you are not a sentimental one.
	10:33am fred: @mariano: I tried but could never make it through any of Nietzche's books, sophomoric to me. To paraphrase Russell in his bitchy mode: for someone so keen on the Super Man, he seemed all to eager to get whipped by a dominatrix
	10:35am mariano: @Guido: yeah, Benjamin, and Auerbach -- Mimesis was another big milestone read for me, as for a lot of people. @fred: well, give the guy a break, he did have syphilis! Besides, the whole Uebermensch thing gets overemphasized with him, I believe. But I do appreciate Russell's bitchiness.
	10:35am doca: @fred: best comment possible on Nietzsche
	10:36am fred: @bibi: I'm a software developer by trade, and I've often said I saw that as applied philosophy. Wittgenstein is directly useful there, French philosophers not at all
	10:36am doca: I think Walter Benjamin is an essential reading for today's world, one of the few writers I look for "guidance" (whatever that means).
	10:37am doca: Plus he's relatively easy to read, writing in a kinda poetic way.
	10:39am bibi: @mariano, i do agree, the uebermensch is a regular & easy misinterpretation. yeah, benjamin, thats a good idea for liz, it's a very pleasant (philosophical) reading.
	10:40am fred: @mariano: Russell always made it clear he was switching into what I call "bitchy mode", and the total lack of fairness was part of the fun, like his routine about his being the Pope
	10:40am Guido from Cologne: Nietsche was kinda punkt the 19th centuriy Burgeois intellectuals. I read Zarathustra: I doupt if it's really philosophy.
	10:42am doca: I imagine Nietzsche and Wagner as the 19th century equivalent of the Sex Pistols
	10:44am mariano: @fred: Nietzsche was always in bitchy mode too, which is why I like aphorisms, whether they make sense or not. He just seems like someone fun to sit with at a tavern and listen to him hold forth. Don't know if he has much status as a serious philosopher these days, but AJ Ayer has lots of really cool stories associated with him, like when he confronted Mike Tyson (Ayer was in his 70s and looked a good bit like Orville Redenbacher) and got him to back down.
	10:44am doca: Today's the 50th "anniversary" of Brazilian military coup d'état. I'm standing in expectation for the day to be over as the pile of shit celebrating it gets bigger and bigger (sorry for the bitter comment)
	10:44am Guido from Cologne: Thank you doca for helping me with my horrible typos (i meant "kinda punk to the 19th centuriy Burgeois intellectuals")
	10:46am doca: @Guido: punkt is the third person for the german verb "punken"? ich punke, du punkst, er punkt...
	10:46am Ken From Hyde Park: Copies of philosophy texts online for free - www.classicly.com...
	10:48am fred: @Liz: you must wonder where this came from, like which track started this
	10:48am doca: Nobody said Plato? I think he was a really great writer (there was even controversy in ancient times regarding this, as he usually condemned fiction but was considered a great fiction writer). Also Aristotle, I always think I'm reading stand-up comedy when I read him
	10:48am Guido from Cologne: @doca I if "punk" was a verb it could work.
	10:48am pollen: Pessoa
	10:49am drumsoverbogota: Is there actually a verb Punken?
	10:49am mariano: @Guido & fred: part of the reason Nietzsche resonated with me is that I have a bit of a Classics background, so when I read him saying that Greek philosophy started going downhill with Socrates, it really made me take notice: I like a nice competing narrative, especially given the reverence with which Classics are usually approached.
	10:50am doca: @drums: I think not eheh I guess in German it is not so easy to create verbs as it is in English, but I'm only guessing.
	10:51am Guido from Cologne: Plato in today's evaluation would be considered a fashist .. just sayin'
	10:51am drumsoverbogota: I hated Plato when I tried to read him in my greek classes. Maybe in another language it's more... entertaining
	10:52am mariano: Ok, this calls for the Philosophers' Drinking Song maybe.
	10:53am fred: @doca: I put Popper in my top ten, his criticism of Plato was convincing to me. And I had been (academically) raised to worship Plato
	10:53am Guido from Cologne: Classical Philosophy: different times and models of thinking. I actually read some Cicero's philosophical fictional debates of rivaling philosophical schools. Can be pretty odd to today's brain. Plato can be alsp pretty odd.
	10:54am doca: @Guido: that's true, but this concept doesn't do justice to his philosophy. Besides, I think most ancient philosophers or philosophers until the 19th century would fall on that category.
	10:54am Guido from Cologne: No verb "punken" in "official German", but you coul invent one.
	10:55am doca: @fred: I've never read Popper, though everybody talks about falseability and those things. Ah for Liz, I think Foucault is one guy you can start reading and then spreading out from there.
	10:55am DCE: I've never had dim sum, have you?
	10:56am mariano: DCE: Never had dim sum?!? Oh Lord, to hell with philosophy, this is something serious! You need to get a group of about 10 people and hit your nearest Chinatown!
	10:58am duke: Every time I hear this "Boots" bed music, I want to hear the Nancy Sinatra version.
	10:59am Guido from Cologne: Ancient Greece was suffering from too much corruption. Russel had described Sparta (proto fashist military state) as the ancient Greek's ideal desire for law and order and in the following adds a quote by Aristoteles "you can get nothing working in Sparta without payola". Like it was Soviet Union already.
	10:59am bibi: @guido, even reading some early xxth philosophy can be scary, for example racism was a regular statement to many very smart people.
	11:00am drumsoverbogota: I guess then "Ich punke jeden tag"
	11:01am doca: Gotta lunch, no dim sum tough. Great philosophy and music to you all
	11:01am Guido from Cologne: @bibi agreed!
	11:03am paula pc: liz YAY you know science!!!!!
	11:03am mariano: Yeah, Liz: this board is for all those people who say this kinda music is nothing but brain rot!
	11:04am joe: 'ello folks I'm very excited for Cibo Matto too. :D
	11:06am Irwin: Raymond Scott Rewired: www.scottrewired.com Thanks, Liz!
	11:07am Guido from Cologne: @Liz also 7 star-click from me @ this show. Do I remeber that right: Otis Fodder of Bran Flakes was also somehow active with WFMU?
	11:08am mariano: Ancient Greek society, for all the talk of democracy, was, depending on the location, pretty undemocratic by our standards. For women it was something similar to living under the Taliban. And Plato's Republic? No theater (and presumably no TV or cinema then) and all music and poetry had to be in praise of the state? Sounds a lot like North Korea.
	11:09am Guido from Cologne: We made a long way: 2000 years! And still nothing is for guarantee!
	11:10am Guido from Cologne: Trin Tran : 8th star click ;-)
	11:12am fred: @bibi: Fanon can be scary too. Mandatory reading no matter how uncomfortable, but Said is more hopeful
	11:14am DCE: phew, just had an extended battle with the server, but now I'm back on
	11:16am Liz Berg: I'm loving all of the philosophy recommendations and debates, thanks you guys! Guido, Otis Fodder did the 365 Days Project and was in charge of WFMU's blog for a while.
	11:18am fred: @Liz: don't ask me how we got there
	11:19am Guido from Cologne: Was in contact with Otis briefely when I was involved in a net-label thing.
	11:21am mariano: @fred: as so often is the case, it was Yogi Berra.
	11:30am Carmichael: Good morning Liz and vast peoples.
	11:31am Sem Berra: @fred 11:18:I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that question.
	11:32am fred: @mariano: we're safe then, I got scared for a while
	11:33am fred: @Sem: easy: we came to the fork and we took it
	11:35am Mdurek: Cibo Matto! Yes!
	11:36am mariano: Bettye Lavette and Bob Mould on the same ticket, playing Paul Simon? Whoa!
	11:36am Guido from Cologne: @ LIZ No Ben watt @ Trouble this Week !!! Trouble wrote @ FaceBook: "Due to crazy ass red tape Ben Watt has had to postpone his US visit. So no Ben this week. We will reschedule...."
	11:37am fred: @Sem: that Yogi Berra quip actually did start that philosophy talk. No joke, it did. Shame might be involved
	11:38am Sem Chumbo: You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there:)
	11:40am Sem Chumbo: and that is the last one for today. Next week: Marcus Aurelius.
	11:42am fred: MES!!!
	11:43am bibi: @fred, is mark e smith 11th on yr philosophers list ?!
	11:44am Cheri Pi: MESMESMES
	11:44am fred: @bibi: MES is first on his own list, he wouldn't have it any other way
	11:46am bibi: one MES cant be wrong.
	11:46am Sean D. Daily: Immanuel Kant was a real pissant Who was very rarely stable. Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar Who could think you under the table. David Hume could out-consume Schopenhauer and Hegel, And Wittgenstein was a beery swine Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel. There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya' 'Bout the raising of the wrist. Socrates himself was permanently pissed... John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill. Plato, they say, could stick it away; Half a crate of whiskey every day. Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle, Hobbes was fond of his dram, And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart: "I drink, therefore I am" Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed; A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed! (thanks to Monty Python, BTW)
	11:46am common: I'll get in on that conversation, fred!
	11:46am fred: @bibi: again: are you going to another Sonic Protest show, besides Merzbow?
	11:55am bibi: @fred, not overly excited by other dates, maybe 12th could make it. an exhaustive saturday prog.
	11:57am mariano: Great discussion provoking show, Liz, thanks to you and all!
	11:58am fred: I'm not excited either, but I'll be there. You'll know me by the bright red WFMU bag, come and say hi if you see me
	11:59am bibi: no need to say the show was great, liz. 8 on guido scale tells a lot.
	12:00pm Guido from Cologne: GREAT SHOW LIZ! It's already 11 star clicks. I would have been even more if I wasn't working! :-)
	12:02pm bibi: 11 on guido scale, i can fell the ground shaking.
	7:25pm Billy Jam: amazing show……midway into it - in archives and loving every song

Liz Berg: Playlist from March 31, 2014

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