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Today: Discussing Spotify with Liz Pelly, author of “Mood Machine”

Spotify is changing the music industry, and the culture at large, through its algorithms and surveillance. Liz Pelly discusses her important new book “Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist.”

Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist, by Liz Pelly

Active Listening: Jenn and Liz Pelly (by Damon Krukowski, Feb 3, 2025):

Liz Pelly’s new book Mood Machine is a thoroughly researched, superbly written takedown of Spotify’s privatization of audio space. The technology of streaming “was going to ‘level the playing field’ for artists, Spotify obsessively promised,” writes Liz. “What we actually got, though, were playlists heavily dominated by major label acts, endless feeds of neo-Muzak loaded with ghost artists – anonymous, stock music commissioned at a discount – and a series of pay-to-play schemes.” Mood Machine dissects each of these moves by Spotify, aided by “the major label oligopoly of Universal, Sony, and Warner,” laying bare the anti-musical motivations of its founders and investors.
Spotify is a Microcosm of Billionaire BS (Damon Krukowski, March 17, 2025):
Spotify paid billions to rights holders in 2024, and recording artists received none of that directly, by careful design. If anything, artists received a share of streaming income from their record labels calculated as if it were sales of music - that is, typically 15% of 1/3 a penny per stream (or $0.00045 a stream), less recoupable expenses. Which in practice often means, again, zero. I have friends with millions of streams on Spotify in 2024 and nothing, financially speaking, to show for it.

All this manipulation of language mirrors the manipulation of people – musicians and consumers – undertaken by the platform. It’s that manipulation which makes Spotify’s owners, stockholders and executives rich, while recording musicians hold down multiple jobs to try and earn a living while sustaining their careers.
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonlancholy Babies!
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the other nadia (hectic):

man, i hate spotify. when i told this kid i technically had a band, the first thing she asked was if any of our songs were on spotify yet. as if that's the ultimate goal.
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David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
  6:00pm
Boulder Tom:

Hi Mark. Really looking forward to this interview!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi all! I'd love me some mood machine.
  6:02pm
Triple G:

Hello Mark & all
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Fuzzy:

Who needs Spotify when you have WFMU?
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and algorithm nation!
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Elena:

So looking forward to this!
  6:02pm
Ciggy:

Hi Mark
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Fuzzy @6:02
it's the same as algorithms picking what you listen to next except it's real life weirdos!
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Adi From Sheffield:

Good evening all.
  6:04pm
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↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:03
we have those here and they dont get paid either!
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Juli P:

No one thinks of Spotify like that du they?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
cosmic matrix:

well hello there! i was thinking about napster this morning.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Ciggy:

Spotify is bombarding me with free offers
It's driving me mad
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Juli P:

Why don't ppl realize there is Apple Music.
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Juli P:

I thought it was common knowledge now.
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JDub:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:03
except MFU DJs hallucinate more than AI
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Mark Hurst:

Hello ultra, hectic, DiL, Tom, Bas, TripG, Fuzzy, chresti, KfHP, Elena, Ciggy, Adi, ?, Juli, & cosmic!
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Dano59:

why, they pay pennies on millions of plays ... you gotta get on that, dog
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Juli P:

↳ Dano59 @6:06
Spotify does?
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
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JDub:

↳ Song: "Interview with Liz Pelly"
Ek has ruined so many things. can't he take his ill-gotten cash and disappear?
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Dano59:

↳ Fuzzy @6:02
... or Bandcamp?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
ultradamno:

Never considered getting anything like Spotify or Tidal...Bandcamp is as close as I get.
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Fuzzy:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:03
It's the human touch that matters -- the DJs, the listener community.
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the other nadia (hectic):

i feel like i find myself not paying as much attention when i'm listening to spotify, and more like anticipating what's next, because they have a lot of music, almost anything. i guess that's the bottomless scroll there. the need to see what's next...not a good way to listen to music.
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Adi From Sheffield:

I have material on Spotify but it's not through choice but it's part of the setup that comes with my distributor. It's done nothing for me.
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Fuzzy @6:08
i like how it's real people playing what they like. and it's something that they can share with us. it's cool! why would we get rid of that? it's the human thought and effort that counts.
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Fuzzy:

↳ Dano59 @6:07
Yes, bandcamp is another great resource for musicians as well as music afficianados.
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Dano59:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:08
that has engendered an 'everythig i want to hear should be on Spotify' mentality that I really detest every time I see it.
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Juli P:

I feel like everyone realize Spotify sucks but then when you begin speaking to ppl you realize how little ppl realize still!
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Dano59:

↳ Fuzzy @6:09
it's the giving us an option to pay and support artists directly that I love about Bandcamp.
  6:10pm
tonyb:

If the U.S. Mint stops making pennies, how will Spotify pay the artists? : )
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Fuzzy:

↳ Dano59 @6:10
Yes, this.
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Dano59:

↳ tonyb @6:10
in itty bitty bits of bitcoin?
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chresti:

Yeah bandcamp. I don't need AI to tell me what I want to listen to especially when I already know what I want to listen to
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Bas NL:

I loved Last FM. After three months of listening to loads of stations it's recommendations went down from 5000+ to recommending one (1!) station. WFMU. :)
  6:12pm
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↳ tonyb @6:10
neutrinos
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Dano59:

I'm kind of disheartened that I can't listen to stuff still showing up on myspace
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Dano59:

i know Joe! I used to DJ with his partner Steph
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joe_rosevear:

Hi, all. I'm late to the party, as usual!

Wow. Interesting topic--even though I don't use Spotify.
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melinda:

hi Mark and friends
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Fuzzy:

tin-earred graph paper-brained accountants
(instead of music fans)
call all the shots at major record companies now --
the lowest common denominator rules
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melinda:

I never got into Spotify. I kind of liked Pandora but then my usage lapsed after I discovered WFMU.
  6:16pm
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↳ Fuzzy @6:15
fmu has that too, LCD
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Fuzzy:

↳ Fuzzy @6:15
MTV, Spotify all get enshittified eventually.
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Fuzzy:

Not WFMU though!
  6:17pm
Sam:

So if Spotify demonetizes you, get off Spotify. Since when have unpopular artists ever been guaranteed a source of income?
  6:17pm
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↳ Fuzzy @6:17
no
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Dano59:

After reading Eric Ambel's takes on Spotify and how much it didn't respect artists, and encouraged the same among its users, I've been against it on major principle.
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

Good evening Mark and techies. Great interview. Everyone makes money off musicians, but the musicians make no money.
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cosmic matrix:

that’s sad; i love nature sounds and such, they shouldn’t be demonitized
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Aquebogue:

Song length is an unfortunate consideration when Apple, Spotify and Amazon won't put your stuff up if it's longer than 9 minutes. Make shorter work I guess.
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Dano59 @6:10
i know! it's really not though. they don't even have the first misfits album. good thing i have the cd. i try my best to only listen to cds and records and music i've downloaded on the computer.
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Juli P:

Realizes
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Aquebogue @6:18
it's because the public doesn't have the attention span for longer music.
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Dano59:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:19
Oh I take great pleasure iin the platform not having EVERYTHING. it gives me a kind of perverse hope
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Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:19
the public doesn't have, what was that again?...
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cosmic matrix:

also, spotify is a stupid name.
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Adi From Sheffield:

↳ Aquebogue @6:18
I've put a track on Spotify that's over forty minutes long. I did it just to see if I could. I could 😁
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Dano59 @6:19
it bothers me that they advertise that they do have everything. i like holding a cd which feels like a very official professional thing, and saying "look! this isn't on your platform and it STILL EXISTS."
  6:21pm
Sam:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:21
Sure, but so is bandcamp.
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Dano59:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:19
and I was referencing all the times I see someone demand or ask someone to put their stuff on Spotify - for their own covenience, as if it's the only thing. it's not.
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cosmic matrix:

↳ Sam @6:21
at least it has something to do with music
  6:22pm
wimpy:

I agree with everything stated, but I wonder what a good argument to the layperson would be against the convenience of Spotify. That is it’s biggest strength even to me, someone who realizes how much of a leech it is
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the other nadia (hectic):

ugh "content"
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Juli P:

↳ Dano59 @6:22
Who does this lol?
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Aquebogue:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:19
We need to write for the algorithm apparently.
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Juli P:

Thought Artists realized they shouldn't use Spotify lol
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Dano59:

↳ Juli P @6:22
lazy, narrow people?
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common:

lean-back listening? ugh
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Juli P:

Believe in yourselves!
We need to work together to change this world:
As I say everyday:
I believe in myself.
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ultradamno:

It is misleading though. For the longest time I just assumed Bandcamp was a School Of Rock situation.
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Aquebogue:

↳ Adi From Sheffield @6:21
REALLY!!??! Good news. Is it on any other platforms
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Cassettivity:

Love this point. There is a track I love falling asleep to (Jungle is a Shapeshifter) with a play count of ~500 plays
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Dano59:

I'm just offended on behalf of the artists - I get how someone like Neil Young with millions of fans can be on there, but ...
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Juli P:

↳ Dano59 @6:23
Hmmmmmm. KK
Thought ppl know better by now
Just surprised.
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ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:23
Tenacious D teaching iCarly how to jam
  6:24pm
Sam:

The record industry has always exploited artists. Is Spotify any worse? At least now outsiders have a chance of having their music heard. Back when it was only record companies, good luck.
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cosmic matrix:

segueing into spa music! timberland baby
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Juli P:

Making a post about our band soon:
We will not be on Spotify.
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the other nadia (hectic):

listening to music should be an activity. that you completely immerse yourself in. it's how you bond to music, you've gotta pay attention to it and listen to it over and over again. music isn't always background noise. it's meaningful noise.
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Adi From Sheffield:

↳ Aquebogue @6:23
Yep. Everywhere. I use all the platforms. I'm a working musician I hate some of the players I'm involved with but those come with the nature of stuff/distro I work with.
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Aquebogue:

Youtube seems to be a platform that FMU dj's go to a lot.
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Juli P:

Demanding to be on Spotify?
Lol just confused what ppl are doing in the world.
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Juli P:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:25
Music can be anything!
  6:26pm
Jacky:

Satie wrote pieces intended to be background music, to be talked over in stores, for example
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Juli P @6:25
they think that's the final goal. being on spotify. then you're "professional".
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Folsom:

BBC world service had a short documentary about Muzak
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Juli P:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:26
Weird.
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Juli P @6:26
yeah but i'm sad that people aren't paying attention to it anymore.
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ultradamno:

Can you make elevator music anymore? I'd assume that was the first thing AI ate (along with fake celebrity nudes)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Adi From Sheffield:

↳ ultradamno @6:27
You can, there are specialist agencies who library that stuff from artists.
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ ultradamno @6:27
i'm guessing ai makes all elevator music now.
  6:28pm
Jacky:

This guy writes thousands of songs a year and uploads them to Spotify: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/31/magazine/spotify-matt-farley.html
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Count d'Al Dente:

The good coffee shops let employees play whatever they want.

Streaming services are geared for lazy people who can't deal with making their own playlists, or searching out other sources like international radio, Bandcamp, Soundcloud, etc.
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Count d'Al Dente @6:28
i like the music the people at my local coffee shop plays. they played over the garden wall songs last october.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Is Free Music Archive still around? If they have an API, there might be a way to listen to a stream of random selections.
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herb.nyc:

Hola. Spotify- so contrived and thought out. how many spreadsheets were made to come up with this corporation? Keep it simple and organic, and we’ll follow and respect you
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cosmic matrix:

simple and short isn’t always bad advice
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Elena:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:31
FMA is archived on the Internet Archive (or most of it anyway)
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cringe in the redwoods:

jeez this is awful on so many levels.
hi, Mark. hi, gang.
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Juli P:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:32
I like it keep things simple.
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Count d'Al Dente:

Bands, musicians, composers, should have their own websites, and have someone else handle social media to spread the word.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
bleubombersune:

Robert Fripp has a great critique on musician royalties. Fripp, Jim & William Reid (Jesue and Mary Chain) have sued PRS over royalties for live performances. Not sure of the status of the lawsuit.
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Adi From Sheffield:

↳ Count d'Al Dente @6:32
All additional cost for people who don't necessarily earn money to start with.
  6:36pm
Dennis in FH:

I love the Spotify algorithm. It's really good. It's led to me to discover some great music. But I also tune into WFMU if I want to hear a live human talking, making decisions on the fly, perhaps making mistakes, etc. The thrill of a live event. The issues for me are that Spotify doesn't pay its artists, and Spotify has an outsize influence in determining what counts as popular music.
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MarciB:

I have a friend who runs an indie record label and despises Spotify - he's given many reasons why. So glad to hear this discussion.
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cosmic matrix:

In a way, it’s kinda cool that you’re never sure if it’s a real song and artist or not! Like the old days listening to the radio and hearing what you THINK is the name of a song only to never find it…how mysterious and beautiful
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cosmic matrix:

but obviously it’s not the same!
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common:

ive never used spotify. and i shant
  6:39pm
Marie in Chicago:

corporations, gaining dominance through technology and ruining life as we know it
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
bleubombersune:

23andMe just filed for bankruptcy
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Elena:

Eric Drott’s book is great
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Juli P:

↳ common @6:39
Never ever!
I also knew it twas yucky
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Elena @6:42
Thanks, Elena. Here it is - "Streaming Music, Streaming Capital": bookshop.org...
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cosmic matrix:

Also, there is quite the qualitative difference between owning a collection of physical media and accessing a playlist (good and bad)..
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sensisio:

It reminds me of the organic/free trade label. Were the people behind the music fairly treated, paid a living wage, etc? Junk food=AI vs REAL food. Thats why it should be labled. I'm tired of seeing any AI generated shite, giving creeps
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
DjLorraine:

23 and me just filed for bankruptcy
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Webhamster Henry:

Spotify is about Spotify. I don't use it, I just use Bandcamp and WFMU, of course, for my other-person-made-music needs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ sensisio @6:43
I agree that much of this discussion about music (vs. musical "content" or AI glop) is very similar to the conversation about food - should we eat real food? Or commercial glop?
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ultradamno:

Is this a repurposed Colbert desk piece? www.yahoo.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Mark Hurst:

United Musicians and Allied Workers: weareumaw.org
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chresti:

↳ Elena @6:32
I love FMA!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Juli P:

Why is the left like you're talking about GOD lol
I call us all GOD
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Juli P:

I'm here to be part of a group of artists.
I am so excited.
WE can lead ppl away from Spotify.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Adi From Sheffield:

Musicians Union in the UK is trying to push the government here to look at fairer exchange from streaming service. Not holding my breath with the current shower mind you.
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Juli P:

It's important the way I present the ideas I have about my artwork because ppl so easily twist the narrative
I want us all to be the ones.
Not just myself
We need to show this society it's not about competition.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Elena @6:32
That's good to know. WFMU DJ Cheyenne once curated a show of FMA selections.
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Juli P:

TOGETHER we can change this society by leading by example and softly
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Webhamster Henry:

Musicians for Musicans: an org with the basic idea that Musicians should get paid properly. it's a 501(c)(6) , so it can lobby for this cause. musiciansformusicians.org
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Juli P @6:48
i hope so. music is a message.
  6:50pm
Andres:

Corporate music venues are taking a cut of musician’s merch sales.
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Elena:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:48
Yes, I listened to some of those episodes. It was a good way to popularize the collection. Some sessions on FMA are unique.
  6:50pm
Sam:

↳ DjLorraine @6:43
The regular mainstream media is now urging people to delete their genetic data before it gets sold! Mark told you so!
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Andres @6:50
thats horrible.
  6:52pm
tonyb:

My pal Tina’s band makes more $ from merch/t-shirt sales than from her music.
  6:52pm
yippie:

spotify also has a stupid name which reminds me of catching chicken pox
  6:53pm
seedfriend:

Great information
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Aquebogue:

Hope Bandcamp doesn't disappear any time soon.
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sensisio:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:44
@markhurst GLOP is SLOP! just like the soc's have to now label AI images (if we trust them too) otherwise people are going to believe EVERYTHING they see. I hope this does not conflict w my love for techno?;)

#independentmedia
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Cassettivity:

Buy cassette decks > buy cassette tapes
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ultradamno:

I would assume that's always been true of the mid-tier clubs, never mind the huge ones...pales in comparison to the ticket racket, but typical 'we have to get our beaks wet' thinking
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chris in the redwoods:

uh-oh. please tell us more about sub stack at some point, Mark. another surveillance business model?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Adi From Sheffield:

↳ Aquebogue @6:53
The ownership of it has changed a number of times it's not a certainty.
  6:55pm
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ok, so what's wrong with substack?
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PaulRobeson1925:

0.00045
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cosmic matrix:

thanks mark! yes, very interesting interview. f spotify.
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Elena:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:44
Thank you Mark!
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morphe':

Thanks Mark and all ..
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
  6:58pm
Andres:

Cadence Weapon! Edmonton!
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bleubombersune:

Mark great interview all stray safe and be well
  6:59pm
Andres:

Great show! I wish the users of that service in my home had been paying more attention.
  6:59pm
Sam:

Theoretically the free market should solve this. If enough musicians get paid 0 for millions of views, they will eventually leave and the platform will make less money. People just have to leave and go somewhere that treats them better!
  6:59pm
P-90:

Thanks Mark
  6:59pm
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↳ Fuzzy @6:02
And a thousand cassettes.
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joe_rosevear:

$0.00045 per stream.

Who knew?
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ultradamno:

Dave's math music tonight is geometric...stay tuned for Dave Mandl, who has sounds shaped like a rectangle
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
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the other nadia (hectic):

thank you
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Thank you Mark Hurst and Liz!!!
be well everyone!!!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark & Liz!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark1 Thanks Liz!
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Count d'Al Dente:

Good show again. Thanks Mark.
  7:01pm
hoeg:

Juli P, very thoughtful words thank you
  7:01pm
Fredericks:

↳ Juli P @6:05
Do they do better by artists?
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joe_rosevear:

Or is that 0.00045 cents per stream?
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tim:

Thank you Mark and Liz! I'm on the waitlist for the book at my library!
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