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September 23, 2024: What if no one wants AI?
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Today: What if no one wants AI?
The bubble of hype around AI is showing signs of impending collapse, even as the environmental costs of AI are skyrocketing. What happens when people get tired of AI being jammed into their cars, candy stores, and basketball hoops, and just want to go back to normal life?
A study published in the Journal of Hospitality Marketing & Management in June found that describing a product as using AI lowers a customer’s intention to buy it. . . .(Yes, it’s a quote from the Taco Bell Distinguished Professor.)
“We looked at vacuum cleaners, TVs, consumer services, health services,” said Dogan Gursoy, one of the study’s authors and the Taco Bell Distinguished Professor of hospitality business management at Washington State University, in an interview with CNN. “In every single case, the intention to buy or use the product or service was significantly lower whenever we mentioned AI in the product description.”
A new research report from the Upwork Research Institute offers a look into the bizarre situation unfolding in workplaces where bosses have been conned into buying AI and now face the challenge of getting it to work as advertised:• Against the commercial internet (Cory Dransfeldt, May 10, 2024):
The headline findings tell the whole story:
96% of bosses expect that AI will make their workers more productive;
85% of companies are either requiring or strongly encouraging workers to use AI;
49% of workers have no idea how AI is supposed to increase their productivity;
77% of workers say using AI decreases their productivity.
We’re pursuing artificial general intelligence — it’ll solve everything. Look at the industry’s track record, right?• Ed Zitron on the Goldman AI report (July 8, 2024), referring to a Goldman Sachs report called Gen AI: Too Much Spend, Too Little Benefit? (PDF June 25, 2024):
They’ve solved all of our transportation woes — oh wait.
They’ve revolutionized journalism — oh wait.
They’ve lifted up musicians and solved all of their problems — oh wait.
They’ve revolutionized and fixed TV and content production — oh wait.
They’ve given everyone a platform for a healthy public discourse — oh wait.
They’ve revolutionized work-life balance and flexibility with gig work — oh wait.
They’ve revolutionized and decentralized the financial system — oh wait.
They’ve created breakthrough medical technology — oh wait.
They’ve revolutionized planning new cities and municipalities — oh wait.
Don’t worry though, it’ll all work out this time.
The report covers AI’s productivity benefits (which Goldman remarks are likely limited), AI’s returns (which are likely to be significantly more limited than anticipated), and AI’s power demands (which are likely so significant that utility companies will have to spend nearly 40% more in the next three years to keep up with the demand from hyperscalers like Google and Microsoft).• The Subprime AI Crisis (Ed Zitron, Sep 16, 2024):
This report is so significant because Goldman Sachs, like any investment bank, does not care about anyone’s feelings unless doing so is profitable. It will gladly hype anything if it thinks it’ll make a buck.
For Goldman to suddenly turn on the AI movement suggests that it’s extremely anxious about the future of generative AI . . .
I believe that the artificial intelligence boom — which would be better described as a generative AI boom — is unsustainable, and will ultimately collapse.
When the city unveiled its first-ever “smart basketball hoop” last month, a host of television crews and city officials crowded into Tompkins Square Park to herald its arrival.All for the low, low price of $10,000. The company has received $11 million in funding so far.
A week later, the huupe, as the gadget is called, stood alone, quite literally on the sidelines of the court, while two friends went one-on-one at the newly refurbished “dumb” hoops a few feet away.
[It] displayed a “no internet connection” alert and was restricted to counting shots made vs. shots missed.
[The dumbbells use] AI to count reps, track velocity and analyze form in real-time. The dumbbells send haptic feedback to users as they’re performing movements, vibrating as sets and reps are completed or if a form correction is required.Because regular dumbbells really have never worked well, right?
With the Kabata app, users get access to personalized strength training programs that adapt over time as they use the dumbbells. The app also tracks advanced metrics like velocity and symmetry, giving users unique insights into their strength training performance.
“Can Linkedin and its affiliates use your personal data and content you created on LinkedIn to train generative AI models that create content?” the option asks. The next line says “Use my data for training content creation AI models,” with an off and on switch.• Snapchat Reserves the Right to Use AI-Generated Images of Your Face in Ads (by Emanuel Maiberg in 404 Media, Sep 17, 2024):
Snapchat is reserving the right to put its users’ faces in ads, according to terms of service related to its “My Selfie” tool (formerly “AI Selfies”), which allows users and their friends to create AI-generated images trained on their selfies.• And, of course, Google . . .
Users have the option to opt out of this by toggling off a “feature” in the app called “See My Selfie in Ads,” but according to 404 Media’s testing this feature is on by default.
Larry Ellison, the billionaire cofounder of Oracle . . . said AI will usher in a new era of surveillance that he gleefully said will ensure “citizens will be on their best behavior.”• Data center emissions probably 662% higher than big tech claims. Can it keep up the ruse? (Guardian, Sep 15, 2024): “Emissions from in-house data centers of Google, Microsoft, Meta and Apple may be 7.62 times higher than official tally.” Also:
Ellison made the comments as he spoke to investors earlier this week during an Oracle financial analysts meeting, where he shared his thoughts on the future of AI-powered surveillance tools.
Ellison said AI would be used in the future to constantly watch and analyze vast surveillance systems, like security cameras, police body cameras, doorbell cameras, and vehicle dashboard cameras.
“We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”
Ellison also expects AI drones to replace police cars in high-speed chases. “You just have a drone follow the car,” Ellison said. “It’s very simple in the age of autonomous drones.”
AI is far more energy-intensive on data centers than typical cloud-based applications. According to Goldman Sachs, a ChatGPT query needs nearly 10 times as much electricity to process as a Google search, and data center power demand will grow 160% by 2030.• Or as McSweeney’s puts it, The Department of Energy Wants You to Know Your Conservation Efforts Are Making a Difference (Sep 10, 2024):
– By turning off your lights all day every day for a month, you conserved about 1 percent of the energy needed for AI to generate a picture of a duck wearing sunglasses. Isn’t he cute? Aside from the fact that he has the feet of a human man, of course.• And finally . . . How AI is changing warfare (Economist, June 20, 2024):
– By switching all the lightbulbs in your house to LED, you saved enough energy for a self-driving car to make an unprotected lefthand turn across three lanes of traffic.
– Waking up at 4 a.m. to do your laundry conserved a ton of energy—energy that was used by ChatGPT to help a seventh grader plagiarize his entire essay on George Orwell’s 1984. Who needs to read a book on technology, totalitarianism, and propaganda, anyway?
There is even talk of using ai in nuclear decision-making. The idea is that countries could not only fuse data to keep track of incoming threats but also retaliate automatically if the political leadership is killed in a first strike. The Soviet Union's . . . “Perimetr” system . . . is now rumoured to be reliant on AI-driven software, notes Leonid Ryabikhin, a former Soviet air-force officer and arms-control expert. In 2023 a group of American senators even introduced a new bill: the Block Nuclear Launch by Autonomous Artificial Intelligence Act.
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New Riders Of The Purple Sage | Fun, Fun, Fun | 0:37:08 (MP3 | Pop-up) | ||||||||
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Listener comments!
Jeff Moore:
This stuff is self-parodying.
ultradamno:
cosmic matrix:
David (in London):
MarciB:
chresti:
Bas NL:
Ken From Hyde Park:
Wendy del Formaggio:
:-D
Triple G:
JeremyB:
bleubombersune:
Wendy del Formaggio:
Art:
The Butterman:
Peter from Saranac Lake NY:
Handy Haversack:
Wendy del Formaggio:
Peter from Saranac Lake NY:
Spikey BXL:
Hi Mark
joe_rosevear:
cosmic matrix:
Jeff Moore:
Please, can the AI-hypebros and sad cryptobros all just pile into a Cybertruck and go for a Thelma and Louise ride?
Strip from @Lubchansky@mastodon.social :
www.patreon.com...
Kid Kennedy:
mndave:
joe_rosevear:
Jeff Golick:
coelacanth∅:
Webhamster Henry:
Spikey BXL:
Fredericks:
MarciB:
cosmic matrix:
DjLorraine:
cosmic matrix:
mackeral:
David (in London):
Fredericks:
Jeff Moore:
The form is this checklist--
SELECT ALL THAT APPLY:
* PYRAMID SCHEME
* ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHE
* LABOR VIOLATION
* MECHANICAL TURK
* ALREADY EXISTS BUT MADE IT WORSE
PaulRobeson1924:
Webhamster Henry:
Bas NL:
MarciB:
Webhamster Henry:
Will thee SG OCNY:
Fredericks:
coelacanth∅:
Ken From Hyde Park:
prioritizing money & power∅:
-and i don't live anywhere near there.
Blobs:
dale:
Fredericks:
Jeff Moore:
mndave:
mrs.bucci:
Wendy del Formaggio:
One of my jobs requires me to take official minutes for a municipal board meeting. Some changes have happened for the worse on this board, and their meetings are dreadful. I don't attend the meetings; I watch Zoom recordings to take my notes to draft the minutes. Zoom offers a transcript, which I'm sure is AI-generated. It's not perfect, but it does allow me to scroll through and get the gist of the meeting so I can listen to just the parts I need. It's hugely helpful and saves me a lot of time.
But, I still don't think it's worth keeping AI around. It's not the only solution to my problem.
coelacanth∅:
but even if i didn't. . .
Ken From Hyde Park:
dale:
Handy Haversack:
Andres:
MarciB:
fred:
Bas NL:
Webhamster Henry:
Handy Haversack:
joe_rosevear:
So I explained my question to Pi (an AI chatbot). He knew the answer and explained it to me. And he helped me with some related questions.
Spikey BXL:
Jeff Golick:
Ken From Hyde Park:
The Butterman:
Next steps, urinalysis a.i.
Wendy del Formaggio:
fred:
There are people studying the ecological impact and trying to reduce energy demands of AI. But why think when brute force is at hand?
Art:
mrdonutsu:
And let's say it costs the AI company $5 of compute power, electricity, etc. to generate just one single instance of that ten minute video.
How many "free tries" does the AI company then give you to get the result you want, and what do they charge you for the for the video you get at the end to actually make a profit?
Even with the relatively simple still image tools available right now, it's all operating at massive losses because the market would not actually pay what it takes AI do the job.
coelacanth∅:
Handy Haversack:
ultradamno:
MarciB:
Carla in NC:
Handy Haversack:
The Butterman:
Wendy del Formaggio:
I definitely feel like Lionel Hutz when I get high and watch these meetings.
Fredericks:
MarciB:
Handy Haversack:
mrdonutsu:
Wendy del Formaggio:
coelacanth∅:
... if not now, it will be soon. "ai" will do it. flawlessly i assume.
PaulRobeson1924:
MarciB:
Wendy del Formaggio:
MarciB:
Webhamster Henry:
coelacanth∅:
Ike:
MarciB:
The Butterman:
mrs.bucci:
MarciB:
fred:
tom tom the pipers son:
Handy Haversack:
Webhamster Henry:
Handy Haversack:
R:
Richy4619:
coelacanth∅:
821:
tom tom the pipers son:
Wendy del Formaggio:
Jeff Golick:
PaulRobeson1924:
“you have spent 50% longer on this smart can than the majority of yer peers”
“This smart can is able to analyze yer
Movements and confidently detail yer diet composed predominantly of zagnuts, cyber nuggets and tim Hortons. Please accept these coupons for such and such vegetable at so&o market. Please See coupons on back of teacher’s smart printer”
MarciB:
tom tom the pipers son:
MarciB:
Jeff Moore:
www.bloomberg.com...
Handy Haversack:
Jeff Golick:
Art:
Wendy del Formaggio:
MarciB:
MarciB:
Handy Haversack:
www.wfmu.org...
tom tom the pipers son:
The Butterman:
Ike:
MarciB:
cosmic matrix:
tom tom the pipers son:
cosmic matrix:
cosmic matrix:
MarciB:
cosmic matrix:
Wendy del Formaggio:
Nick K:
Jeff Moore:
Dano59:
Nick K:
tom tom the pipers son:
Wendy del Formaggio:
cosmic matrix:
Jeff Moore:
Nick K:
Dano59:
The Butterman:
kevlicki:
tom tom the pipers son:
i̺k̺e̺:
Handy Haversack:
Great episode. Many thanks!
cosmic matrix:
joe_rosevear:
Do you think we can politely ask the whole world to knock it off?
Patrick S.:
Bas NL:
Jeff Golick:
bleubombersune:
coelacanth∅:
PaulRobeson1924:
kevlicki:
Germanium:
cosmic matrix:
Wendy del Formaggio:
chresti:
tom tom the pipers son:
MKT in Inwood:
Ken From Hyde Park:
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i̺k̺e̺:
Wendy del Formaggio:
Billybob:
Mark Hurst:
i̺k̺e̺:
Triple G:
joe_rosevear:
Here is a book to read when you are past grieving and ready to go forward. I found it in our San Diego Public Library. It examines AI on many levels including "Chapter 5, Security and World Order" which is about this very problem of "AI pushing the nuclear button":
"The Age of AI, And Our Human Future". The well known Henry Kissinger is one of its three authors.
jbrudolf:
https://www.citizen.org/news/a-i-is-already-harming-democracy-competition-consumers-workers-climate-and-more/
Ike: