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Favoriting September 2, 2024: Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data"

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Today: Carl Öhman, author, “The Afterlife of Data”

The Afterlife of Data: What Happens to Your Information When You Die and Why You Should Care by Carl Öhman, published by the University of Chicago Press

Carl Öhman at Uppsala Unversity in Uppsala, Sweden

• Wikipedia: The Postmodern Condition: A Report on Knowledge (French: La condition postmoderne: rapport sur le savoir) by Jean-François Lyotard

Google’s Selfish Ledger is an unsettling vision of Silicon Valley social engineering (The Verge, May 17, 2018): “This internal video from 2016 shows a Google concept for how total data collection could reshape society.”

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  Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data: What Happens to Your Information When You Die and Why You Should Care"
Tomaš Dvořák  Game Boy Tune   Favoriting
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  Interview with Carl Öhman  
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  Mark's comments  
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Lulu Lewis  Destroy All Data   Favoriting
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Listener comments!

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tim:

Hey Mark and fellow Techtonic Youth!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonpparitions!
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Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyon Beams!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi techtonicpedestrians!
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spodiodi:

greetings, Mark Hurst and humans!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Deano de los Muertos:

🤖 begin assimilation
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Hi Mark! I can tune in for half the show, which is better than none at all.
  6:02pm
Bea:

Hi Mark!
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Handy Haversack:

Tim! ultradamno! Bas! spodi! Deano! Wendles! Yo!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Handles!
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tim:

Does Uppsala University in Sweden have a really excellent radio station like Upsala College in New Jersey did?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
spodiodi:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:02
🙇🏻landline
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Song: "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
Haha, this photo is great. It's from Obvious Plant, which makes me laugh so hard my eyes water and my stomach hurts. Go here and pee your pants: obviousplant.com
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Deano de los Muertos:

greetings Handy
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ultradamno:

Hiya Handy!
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Handy Haversack:

Glad the best hour on radio will continue for another season!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ spodiodi @6:03
Dialin' 'em up!
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joe mulligan:

yay another season of techtonic! wild there's an Upsala connection
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joe_rosevear:

Hello, Techies!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Hooray for another season of Techtonic!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Spikey BXL:

I'll be back!
Hi Mark, tonics
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
joe mulligan:

so my brother just texted me asking to get him a CD from Bandcamp. I'm guessing it's because he doesn't want to use Spotify for privacy purposes (and maybe paypal too)
what do you think? techtonic says yes or too paraniod?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Particularly interesting topic..gotta love death☠️
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ joe mulligan @6:07
Well. Buying a CD from Bandcamp ensures the artist gets more than a fraction of a penny for the transaction.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ joe mulligan @6:05
The older owner of the liquor store near me saw my WFMU shirt and asked if “I went to the college.”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

@tim, @ultra, @Handy, @Bas, @spodiodi, @Deano, @Wendy, @Bea, @joe m, @joe_r, @Spikey, @chresti - welcome to all of you! Thanks for joining me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:02
thanks for joining for the first half, Wendy 👍
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:05
shucks
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spodiodi:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:09
i had a girlfriend who worked at a restaurant, and one of the other servers had the same kind of reaction to mw while we were out seeing a show. YOU WENT TO COLLEGE!? :) bless her. i don't even remember her name
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Spikey BXL:

Post mortem you can use drop-pine-box
  6:12pm
Quinn02:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:10
Mark, I'm here too. Just trying not to get carpal tunnel.
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spodiodi:

hiss
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Mark Hurst:

↳ joe mulligan @6:07
I definitely recommend Bandcamp over Spotify.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Quinn02 @6:12
Thanks for joining us, Quinn, and not (yet) "running into the woods, never to be seen again"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Bas NL:

The Cloud is the new Heaven...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Handy Haversack:

An interesting point from The Dawn of Everything is that over the past 100,000+ years of our existence, only those periods of human political experimentation that involved oppression and top-down command left things like stone monuments and sepulchers. When we have enjoyed equality and commonality, we have not left our marks in the same way. So another note that tech is the new form of human oppression.
  6:14pm
Quinn02:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:13
that's my plan B.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
ultradamno:

Charlie Daniels still posts about Benghazi
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
tim:

Joe - buy the cd this Friday 9/6. Bandcamp does 'Bandcamp Friday' on the first Friday of each month. 100% of the money goes to bands on Bandcamp Friday.
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spodiodi:

delete everything now, i've been saying for years
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:09
I got both "nice hat" and "nice shirt" today -- and the confusilating part is that somehow I wasn't wearing any WFMU gear!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark & Techtoghosts. If the trolley meme isn't over yet, I found a couple:
www.mastodon.social...
www.imgur.com...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:16
Thanks, KfHP! These are great.
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joe mulligan:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:09
love it!
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Mark Hurst:

I have added to the playlist links the Wikipedia entry to "The Postmodern Condition" by Lyotard, which Carl just referenced.
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Deano de los Muertos:

We will reach Dune status, attempting to cool the servers
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joe mulligan:

thanks all for confirming, I got the CD from bandcamp. Tim I should have waited till Friday, next time!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
tim:

↳ joe mulligan @6:20
No sweat. I forget to wait for Bandcamp Friday too often - haha!
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San Pedro Girl:

Hi Mark and Techtonians!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ San Pedro Girl @6:25
Welcome, SPG
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
tim:

Great interview so far, Mark. I appreciated the point that "immortalizing" the dead changes with new technology.
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MarciB:

Great convo. I'm training to be a legacy specialist (focus: family archives) and this is such an important convo. Thank you Mark!
  6:28pm
Saltonstall:

This reminds me of the Jon Wurster bit where, on the verge of death, his character will implore Tom to “throw out my spank mags!”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Franco Twinkie:

↳ spodiodi @6:15
As I told you, I got a very troubling diagnosis in early 2020. Thinking about it calmly I realized I was potentially going to be erased off the face of the Earth. My conclusion was start yanking table cloths at the party before it was too late. Thus self-creation that's been methodically saved in the WFMU archive.

Well, I didn't die. So now I've got to live down the monster I created.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Mark Hurst:

@tim @Marci thanks! I think Carl is issuing a really important warning.
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Deano de los Muertos:

I’ve tried to find old data from MySpace days, photos and conversations..and it appeared to have all been deleted.
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Deano de los Muertos:

“Appeared”
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tim:

If this makes sense, how are funeral homes capitalizing on continued digital memorial. If so, what software created by big teach is used?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
joe mulligan:

↳ Franco Twinkie @6:29
hahaa don't stop pulling the tablecloths Franco!
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ joe mulligan @6:31
Thanks Joe. I'm uncontrite and totally invested in staying alive giving certain people a throbbing headache.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
PaulRobeson1924:

HiHiHi!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:34
welcome, PaulR
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
PaulRobeson1924:

“To what problem is this technology designed to solve?” Neil Postman
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Bas NL:

I see a market for coffins with storage capacity. Take your social media presents to the grave.
  6:35pm
hoeg:

wait, doesn't everyone have a shoe-box full of old hard drives on their bookshelf?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
PaulRobeson1924:

Paraphrasing Mr.Neil Postman.

Hello, Mr.Mark Hurst! Thank U
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Google and company's unceasing search for revenue: Upon your untimely demise, they sell your data to the highest bidder.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
tim:

There are stewards of the digital past outside of the big tech profit model. It's fairly common for academic librraries to have digital preservationists. They work with born digital content. They preserve information from obsolete tech.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
chresti:

↳ hoeg @6:35
a graveyard of old desktops
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
egould:

When I'm dead, I'll be forgotten. Just like everyone else.
No big deal.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
ultradamno:

ae01.alicdn.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Mennlinn Rebarts:

Ash is also the name of the corporate owned android in Alien who sets up the crew to get slaughtered by the Xenomorph.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
egould:

This scenario is not a "big tech problem". This is a psychological problem of a grieving person.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
tim:

I really appreciate this conversation and thinks it is important. At the same time history shows that most everyone will be forgotten. In modern times, not everyone had an obit in the newspaper, not everyone's name is on a gravestone or plaque, eventually these fail too. Ex: info on headstones erode over time, not all newspapers that run obits were saved, microfilmed, then digitized.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Webhamster Henry:

I'm just back and I 100% missed the interview, but will hear the archive at my leisure!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Ike:

IMHO re: Evil Dead: if you’re not a horror fan, you can just watch Evil Dead II: Dead by Dawn by itself — it’s a brilliant horror-comedy classic, and it retells the events of the first movie in its first 5-10 min. much more entertainingly than the first movie does it!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
PaulRobeson1924:

↳ tim @6:46
History shows what I say it does
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PaulRobeson1924:

& goood eveninggg Mr.Tim
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tim:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:49
Hello!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ egould @6:41
I know. I feel like it should be a goal to leave as little mark as possible on the world in passing through it.
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ultradamno:

↳ Ike @6:47
NO...the first movie is best!

The series is great too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
egould:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:50
Other than the generous donation of my estate to WFMU, there won't be a damn person left who cares about my demise.
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chresti:

sounds like a cult
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tim:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:50
That's my goal. I think my kids will be smart enough to know that I'd be turning in my non-existent grave if they immortalized me on social media.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ egould @6:52
Well, if I'm around to hear about it, I'll certainly raise a glass!
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egould:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:53
Cheers good sir!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
chresti:

that background music is like a lullaby
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MarciB:

This Google recording needs appropriately dramatic and disturbing music - not the lullaby that @chresti mentioned! Yikes
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
tim:

↳ egould @6:52
I'll be an excellent steward of your record collection! Just something to think about.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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Deano de los Muertos:

Great show Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
tim:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

When I finally get around to making out a will, one of the provisions will specify that my data is deleted. Nyah! Thanks, Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Song: "Destroy All Data" by "Lulu Lewis"
Such a good band.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
spodiodi:

thanks, Mark!
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Franco Twinkie:

Thank you Mark.
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egould:

↳ tim @6:54
No records/CD's any more. I'm all digital.
I do have a very nice library of printed books covering music, musicology, music instruments, Mad Magazine, and 19th Century poetry. It's yours. :-)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
tim:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:57
Good idea.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
spodiodi:

↳ Song: "Destroy All Data" by "Lulu Lewis"
been saying this for decades now
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
PaulRobeson1924:

Great show, Mr.Hurst
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egould:

Thanks Mark.
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tim:

↳ egould @6:57
Deal!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Mennlinn Rebarts @6:45
Ahh good point - I should have added that.
  6:59pm
hoeg:

thanks Mark you rock!
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bleubombersune:

Mark thank you for another informative show all stay safe and be well
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Carl!
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