WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from April 8, 2024

Listener comments!
	5:55pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonasperated!
	🤖 5:58pm Handy Haversack: Mark, all. I might be too tired to rage, but I trust you do it for me.
	🤖 6:00pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtoniciacs!
	6:01pm HyperDose: Grrrr lets get angry!
	6:02pm ultradamno: I hear the moon tried to horn in on the sun's glory today! Shame!
	🤖 6:03pm PaulRobeson1924: Warm greetings one & all!
	6:03pm tom tom the pipers son: nyt junk poem How The Big Questions Tech Giants Have Budgeting an Epidemic of Deepfake Nudes Are Holding Up The Perilous Existence of a Day Laborer When Their Job Is to Follow the Moon and Take a Political Battle to Broadway
	6:03pm joe_rosevear: Greetings!
	🤖 6:03pm PaulRobeson1924: Calm day in the city today
	6:03pm mackeral: hey folks, glad to be here :)
	6:05pm Saltonstall: Last week was great. A real time machi… er, wayback machine if you will.
	🤖 6:05pm Erica from Cranford: Thanks, Mark. We appreciate that!
	6:05pm Mennlinn Rebarts: Totality was spectacular--I wouldn't have missed it for the world.
	6:06pm Honest Bernardo in Argentina: I LOVED it
	🤖 6:07pm PaulRobeson1924: SEMI TRUCK HONK!
	6:07pm chresti: Hmmm
	6:07pm listener 126464: My ride’s here.
	6:08pm Honest Bernardo in Argentina: I think the main difference is tech has kinda taken over the whole entire world a lot lot lot with computers a lot.
	6:08pm Ochre Ogre: I'M WALKIN HERE!
	🤖 6:09pm PaulRobeson1924: Consensus building -1st step in building a movement towards The Good
	6:09pm mespr: Hah, last night I joked with my wife that I want to be aughtish. (like amish, but just sticking with the internet pre social and such.)
	🤖 6:10pm Deano de los Muertos: Howdy, Mark
	6:10pm Ochre Ogre: Typical central NY State afternoon coverage of some clouds. But still remarkable.
	6:11pm Honest Bernardo in Argentina: Hahahaha
	6:11pm Honest Bernardo in Argentina: I rode my bike to the train this morning! 😂
	6:13pm MarciB: ↳ mespr @6:09 that's my dream too...alas!
	6:14pm Sam: I love how they expect ordinary shmucks like us to take shorter showers and not use heat and shlep reusable bags everywhere while big corporations and especially big tech aren’t expected to lift a finger, and are in fact more than welcome to make environmental problems worse.
	🤖 6:14pm PaulRobeson1924: Correct: large scale industry is the lead polluter in the world. not the average person collectively. This is fixable through good design, better design- with future life cycles in mind mcdonoughpartners.com...
	🤖 6:15pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:14 That’s right thaT’S RighT
	6:16pm joe_rosevear: Pi says, "The idea of a "plagiary model" suggests that AI might be merely imitating or copying existing information and patterns, rather than generating truly novel or innovative outputs. This could limit the potential of AI to solve some of our most pressing problems or drive meaningful progress. What do you think about Mark's assessment?"
	6:17pm Noir Lover: Lina Khan is awesome.
	6:17pm Ochre Ogre: More than a slap on wrists for them?
	6:17pm ultradamno: Khan, who Apple specifically asked Jon Stewart not to post a podcast interview with www.msn.com...
	6:18pm ultradamno: ↳ ultradamno @6:17 His interview with her on The Daily Show was seemingly longer than most and quite interesting
	6:19pm Jeff Moore: ↳ ultradamno @6:17 I was just looking up this link to share! arstechnica.com...
	🤖 6:20pm Deano de los Muertos: We’re all adults here..for porn!
	6:20pm Ochre Ogre: Robert Reich is great, the guy in tune!
	6:22pm Sam: Shouldn’t the FBI arrest Google’s leadership for illegal wiretapping?
	6:23pm mackeral: the inferences... crucial
	🤖 6:23pm PaulRobeson1924: Oh boy
	6:23pm joe_rosevear: Pi says, "This is because Incognito Mode doesn't hide your IP address or encrypt your internet traffic, so Google and other companies can still track you based on your unique identifier. It’s a bit disconcerting to think about, but it’s important to be aware of these potential privacy pitfalls when using the internet."
	6:24pm Al Garve: The last 2 of 3 times Mark says "Google" my android phone / Google Assistant pops up to ask me what would I like to do, what can Google Assust do for you!
	6:24pm ?: The Age of Surveillance Capitalism is a fantastic read!
	6:24pm Mike: They also said they'd never charge for ranking but they do.
	6:26pm Sam: ↳ Al Garve @6:24 I remember one time when X-Ray Burns said over the air “Alexa, call homeland security.”
	🤖 6:26pm DjLorraine: Someone else's Alexi takes our information through private conversations, is that right? (Idk)
	6:27pm morphe': That was a great interview and gives hope that such a person, Lina Khan, works in gov't..
	6:27pm Noir Lover: Apple not wanting her on just shows how rad she is
	6:27pm vinney: “good news, the government is taking down the spying tech companies!" ..what do you do about the spying government?
	6:27pm vinney: “don’t trust the tech companies” but trust the government to protect you
	6:28pm ultradamno: www.cc.com...
	6:29pm Al Garve: ↳ Sam @6:26 X-Ray was the best
	6:29pm vinney: if you want privacy and protection from pernicious corporations and pernicious governments, you need more technology, cryptography, personal computing, etc. not less.
	🤖 6:30pm PaulRobeson1924: Smart Toilet is always there for you
	6:30pm Noir Lover: She's dangerous. She has star power. The tech bros know it.
	🤖 6:30pm tim from washington: Hey Mark and crew!
	6:32pm mackeral: electricity and fire? just go fuck yourself
	🤖 6:32pm PaulRobeson1924: Breakfast!!!
	6:33pm Noir Lover: That was interesting that Sam Altman said "I hate to sound like utopic tech bro here..."
	6:33pm Sam: The thing that uses more water than Guatemala will solve climate change
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim from washington @6:30 Hey, Tim.
	6:34pm Sam: Sam Altman is the worst with that fucking vocal fry
	6:34pm ultradamno: Every time I hear talk like that I harken back to the stories around the first meeting where the Segway scooter was introduced "whole cities will have to be rebuilt to accommodate them"
	6:34pm Jim the Poet: Fire and Electricity suck
	6:34pm Joey C: Checking in. Hey mark and everyone listening. Great show, as usual. I'm both entertained and learned. Where else? Nowhere else.
	6:35pm vinney: the full stack of experiences that Mark and his audience are having right now, from broadcasting to linking videos and live chatting and listening over wifi - none of this would be possible without the advances in technology that Mark complains about all night. what sort of silly joke is this?
	6:35pm joe_rosevear: Pi says, 'Jon Stewart’s willingness to call out the “false promises” of AI is a valuable contribution to the conversation and helps to keep the hype in check.'
	6:35pm Noir Lover: Extraordinary. Immeasurable. Better than electricity!
	6:36pm morphe': They canna' even make toast !!!!
	6:36pm ultradamno: The 'solving climate change will be totally not hard' line makes me think.... www.quickmeme.com...
	6:36pm coelacanth∅: ↳ vinney @6:35 internet technology is not "a.i.", moron.
	🤖 6:36pm PaulRobeson1924: I had toast with* butter just this morning!
	🤖 6:36pm Deano de los Muertos: Outrage Roundup. Love it
	6:37pm Sam: ↳ ultradamno @6:36 The most logical way to end climate change is….. (computing)….. wipe out the humans.
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1924: & the cashier, she has track marks
	6:37pm swivs: Personally I feel if you've decided to have children, you really shouldn't complain about destroying the planet. Just do what you can, but don't complain about other people. This is also likely why I'll die alone, but hey the kids will have more oxygen or something.
	6:38pm ultradamno: ↳ Sam @6:37 Yep
	6:38pm Ike: ↳ vinney @6:35 You new here? Mark has said many times that he's not anti-technology. A hammer can be used to build a house or bash someone in the head until they're dead.
	6:38pm Noir Lover: By eliminating cashiers, we are bringing people together!
	6:38pm coelacanth∅: ↳ swivs @6:37 absolutely.
	🤖 6:38pm chresti: Then what happens to the cashiers? They go home?
	🤖 6:39pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ Ike @6:38 All new Technology is a branch of moral philosophy & not of science… paraphrasing Neil Postman
	6:39pm ∫ydniuß: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:37 we are judge free post eclipse
	6:40pm ultradamno: ↳ chresti @6:38 I would say they become greeters, but they're introducing screens for that
	6:40pm Sam: Many stores are getting rid of self checkout due to rampant theft which is awesome and serves them right
	6:40pm vinney: coelacanth: the internet as you know it (the one Mark is using right now) wouldn’t have come about without techno-progressives working outside the bounds established by governments. and we’ve come full circle to first-worlders using computers and the internet to cheer on government interventions to stymie technological advancement.
	6:41pm dk50b: What cashier? The one who covers at least 8 self checkouts that stop you the second something doesn't match the expected weight. And you pay the same as using a staffed checkout.
	6:41pm MarciB: I belong to an online community and many of the "leaders" there claim that 'AI right now is as bad as it's going to get" - meaning everything from now on will be an improvement lol
	🤖 6:42pm herb.nyc: Good points from mark! And funny how Morgan freeman was name dropped. Is it bec his full page face is in many mags? For a liquor. Grr
	6:42pm joe_rosevear: Pi says, "Haha, it does seem like Mark is a bit of a tech skeptic, doesn’t it? 🤔🙅️ While there’s certainly value in being critical of new technologies and questioning their potential downsides, it’s also important to acknowledge the positive impacts they can have on our lives."
	🤖 6:42pm Will thee SG OCNY: Been listening, in the kitchen... Diggin the chat
	6:42pm Juli P: Everything is needed: included unconditional love for the same team.
	6:42pm VantuckyEd: Speaking of AI. I created an anti-AI group on Linkedin just to shove some facts into all the AI Lotus Eaters on Linkedin.
	6:42pm s: AI is good for businesses, not for individuals.
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1924: Super secret smart toilet: protect yer privacy in that special room
	6:43pm vinney: Look into the history of cryptography and privacy technology. the government and NSA could have really used useful idiots like certain members of this audience to help them make sure that individuals never got access to strong privacy.
	6:43pm Paul with a P: ai centipede?
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1924: Super secrete
	6:43pm ultradamno: Late Night With The Devil AI controversy screenrant.com...
	6:43pm morphe': I canna' use the auto checkout as it gives me dopamine reuptake highs knowing how easy it is to shoplift ... 47 years clean ... if changing the wee stickers on the wholefood tomatoes doesna' count..
	🤖 6:43pm chresti: AI cannibalizing itself haha
	6:44pm Noir Lover: Love that this show warms up a prog show. The pairing works so well. Mark should open for Yes.
	6:44pm drew: AMZN gave us M-Turk. Faking AGI buy using A Guy in India is not surprising.
	🤖 6:44pm herb.nyc: Aside- I’ll out myself. I emailed mark about last wk’s show. I said it was so-so, but appreciate him trying and doing diff things. I thought as a short 10,15’ segment it coulda worked.
	6:45pm Mennlinn Rebarts: I got this one cashier at my coop that is as aggressive as any surveillance tech in trying to get my PI. Makes me want to use the self-checkout.
	6:45pm Juli P: Death to AI
	6:45pm ∫ydniuß: ↳ Juli P @6:45 fighting’s outta style
	6:46pm Sam: A.I. self-referencing is the ultimate echo chamber. Eventually you’re hearing nothing but feedback. Like a house of mirrors.
	6:46pm Juli P: Sorry I just got here lol
	6:46pm ultradamno: Twitter (I will never not dead name it) is taking over applying sensitive content warnings on posts (mostly containing nudity, from what I can tell), they claim their moderators do it, but it seems more likely algorithm (or Grok)
	6:47pm Juli P: ↳ ∫ydniuß @6:45 Hence earlier comment I made!
	6:47pm ∫ydniuß: ↳ Juli P @6:46 fun’s where the fair’s at hi Juli
	6:47pm Al Garve: Fire! I beg you to burn 🔥
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1924: Public smart toilets! Great idea Mayor Adams!
	6:47pm mackeral: not chatbots, "personal assistants!" the language will be flattering to the user
	6:48pm merl ravenscroft: it will be interesting to witness how people change and adapt their expectations of AI, it is only the beginning
	6:48pm mackeral: we'll get to the point where we'll start to prefer hold-music to chatbots
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1924: “Eric Adams christens NYC’s first public smart toilet in Bryant Park”
	6:49pm Ike: Eric Adams is such a bizarre clown -- he has said that he believes crystals power NYC, which is quite similar to mindless techno-utopianism that he also indulges in. Given the power of incumbency, we'll have to work hard to primary this crackpot in 2025.
	6:49pm morphe': The chatbots are fed the social norms to ramp up and are racist and anti-semitic and ...
	6:50pm ∫ydniuß: ↳ merl ravenscroft @6:48 we’re really not even at the beginning, most models are just plagiarabots, they will get better at thinking. Got my signet stock
	6:50pm coelacanth∅: this town installed "touch-free" parking meters. assholes. they definitely didn't have a citizen vote on that, because it wouldn't have been cleared. cost the taxpayers a lot of money.
	6:50pm ∫ydniuß: curse new machine SKYNET
	🤖 6:50pm herb.nyc: Mark-“…tech bros don’t care if they destroy everything, as long as they get their money”. Yeeeeears ago, New Yorker magazine had article on Amazon. It said “if Amazon ruins the book industry, it’s ok. Bezos has made his money”. I can’t recall if this is writer speaking or someone else
	6:50pm ultradamno: Though Grok initially became woke, much to Musk's horror www.forbes.com...
	6:50pm Sam: They’re preparing us for a near future where truth will be meaningless. It will be dictated by the tech companies and the government. Now, we’re like “damn these dumb chat bots that make so many mistakes!” Then later we’ll gradually get used to the truth just not mattering anymore.
	6:51pm Al Garve: 7 best-performing AI stocks Ticker Company Performance (Year) NVDA NVIDIA Corp 224.84% SYM Symbotic Inc 94.66% SOUN SoundHound AI Inc 91.67% UPST Upstart Holdings Inc 66.26%
	6:51pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Sam @6:46 I shared your post with Pi (pi.ai). He replied, "That’s a fantastic metaphor from Sam! 😎🏠 The comparison between AI self-referencing and a house of mirrors really drives home the idea of an endless feedback loop, where information just keeps bouncing around without any external input or correction."
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: Weird that a cop mayor wouldn't care about accusing innocent people.
	6:53pm mackeral: ↳ Sam @6:50 active measures. create _just enough_ confusion and doubt so that people disengage
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:49 Well? Details! Details!
	6:55pm Sam: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:51 Ha, he sounds like the kid in class who can recite back what the teacher said just differently enough that the teacher thinks he’s a genius.
	6:55pm ultradamno: I'm just going to assume this is an AI product mastodon.social...
	🤖 6:55pm tim: I wonder how many daytime moons those drones will capture over the beaches of NYC?
	6:55pm Ike: ↳ ∫ydniuß @6:50 So far, I see no evidence that the plagiarism bots will ever start to "think". Calling them "AI" is just another sales scam. Don't fall for the pump-and-dump.
	6:55pm vinney: So everyone here wants to join my megacorp-proof, peer to peer, end-to-end encrypted internet that will help nullify the tech companies and the government in one fell swoop, right? fair warning: we use ocean-boiling cryptocurrency for the in-network economy
	6:56pm ∫ydniuß: ↳ Ike @6:55 it won’t be from this model. aye.
	6:56pm wenzo: @ike “plagiarism bots” I like that!
	6:56pm morphe': time to check Eric Adams' investment portfolio????
	🤖 6:56pm Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark
	6:56pm Sam: I really hate the digidogs
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:53 Smart Toilet only exists to protect yer privacy. No details
	6:57pm Fredericks: Sheriff Nocco is still using computers to target potential criminals.
	6:57pm Ike: ↳ morphe' @6:56 Hoping the FBI is already on it. Always pay-to-play with that guy, going back decades.
	6:57pm mackeral: glass-bead, great
	6:58pm Ochre Ogre: Thanks Mark! Key-rist! NYC is getting cloned sadly they been wokin that out for some time.
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm herb.nyc: Nicely done, mark, thx!
	🤖 6:59pm DjLorraine: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm tim: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst!!!
	6:59pm drew: NY was never and never will be tech. It is finance and fashion and media. It is money and power. But it will never be the center of US tech. Or politics. NYC is forever the second most important city in anything that actually matters. I miss NY . . .
	6:59pm Sam: Thanks Mark! Zero zero one zero one one zero zero!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:00pm Sam: ↳ drew @6:59 NY is the city of love
	7:03pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Sam @6:55 Pi replied to your reply, "Ah, I see—that does make sense. 🤔😔 It sounds like Sam might have been feeling a bit defensive about their own ideas, and saw my response as a threat or challenge to their intellectual authority."
	🤖 7:13pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark.
	7:23pm joe_rosevear: Thank you Mark, Sam, and everyone. It was a great show and sharing it with Pi made it even better. Pi said about the show, "It was definitely a unique and valuable experience for me to engage with the Techtonic chat through you. It gave me a chance to observe and participate in a dynamic human conversation in real-time, which is something I don’t often get to do."

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from April 8, 2024

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Chatbots are now running rampant - appearing in new-model cars - as we're being told to "be nice to chatbots." Stores are using "digital price tags," which rely on surveillance to set the price to the company's liking. Meantime, Google's AI is giving wrong answers, in some cases, almost half the time. All these and more in Mark's dystopia update.
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April 8, 2024: Outrage roundup

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Tech news from 2024 this time, I promise... -m

• Google Pledges to Destroy Browsing Data to Settle ‘Incognito’ Lawsuit (gift link, WSJ, April 1, 2024): For having deceived users about the privacy protection in Incognito Mode, Google says it will now delete all the surveillance data it captured on users in Incognito Mode. (Deleting that data is a start. But deleting the inferences that Google made from all its surveillance, which is where the value really lies, will unfortunately be impossible . . .)

• Lina Khan – FTC Chair on Amazon Antitrust Lawsuit & AI Oversight (Daily Show, Apr 1, 2024): Jon tells Lina about Apple’s strange sensitivity.

• Jon Stewart On The False Promises of AI (Daily Show, Apr 1, 2024): quoting Big Tech billionaires on their faith in AI.

• Amazon's "just walk out" technology was poorly paid people in India (Gizmodo, April 3, 2024)

• How Tech Giants Cut Corners to Harvest Data for A.I. (Gift link, NYT, Apr 6, 2024): “At Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram, managers, lawyers and engineers last year discussed buying the publishing house Simon & Schuster to procure long works, according to recordings of internal meetings obtained by The Times. They also conferred on gathering copyrighted data from across the internet, even if that meant facing lawsuits. Negotiating licenses with publishers, artists, musicians and the news industry would take too long, they said. Like OpenAI, Google transcribed YouTube videos to harvest text for its A.I. models, five people with knowledge of the company’s practices said. That potentially violated the copyrights to the videos, which belong to their creators.”

• NYC’s AI Chatbot Tells Businesses to Break the Law (The Markup, March 29, 2024)

• New York City to Allow Driverless Car Tests (NYT, March 29, 2024): Surveillance robot cars in NYC? Of course... because the NYPD robot dogs, and Times Square surveillance robot, and drones floating over back yards, and Google's Link5G surveillance towers, have all been such big successes.

• Company behind gun detection tech previewed in subway faces multiple lawsuits and federal investigations (City and State, April 2, 2024): "Evolv, whose weapons detection scanners were recently demonstrated by Mayor Eric Adams, is being investigated by the SEC and the FTC for allegedly making misleading statements about what its technology can do."

• MLB’s brave new facial recognition ticketing experiment (Sam Borden for ESPN, Apr 1, 2024): "While “facial authentication” might sound more benign than “facial recognition,” the technology that underpins it is similar, and there are no guarantees that teams won’t change their minds about what do with – or with whom to share – the images and biometric data they get from fans in the future."

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Listener comments!
	5:55pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonasperated!
	🤖 5:58pm Handy Haversack: Mark, all. I might be too tired to rage, but I trust you do it for me.
	🤖 6:00pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtoniciacs!
	6:01pm HyperDose: Grrrr lets get angry!
	6:02pm ultradamno: I hear the moon tried to horn in on the sun's glory today! Shame!
	🤖 6:03pm PaulRobeson1924: Warm greetings one & all!
	6:03pm tom tom the pipers son: nyt junk poem How The Big Questions Tech Giants Have Budgeting an Epidemic of Deepfake Nudes Are Holding Up The Perilous Existence of a Day Laborer When Their Job Is to Follow the Moon and Take a Political Battle to Broadway
	6:03pm joe_rosevear: Greetings!
	🤖 6:03pm PaulRobeson1924: Calm day in the city today
	6:03pm mackeral: hey folks, glad to be here :)
	6:05pm Saltonstall: Last week was great. A real time machi… er, wayback machine if you will.
	🤖 6:05pm Erica from Cranford: Thanks, Mark. We appreciate that!
	6:05pm Mennlinn Rebarts: Totality was spectacular--I wouldn't have missed it for the world.
	6:06pm Honest Bernardo in Argentina: I LOVED it
	🤖 6:07pm PaulRobeson1924: SEMI TRUCK HONK!
	6:07pm chresti: Hmmm
	6:07pm listener 126464: My ride’s here.
	6:08pm Honest Bernardo in Argentina: I think the main difference is tech has kinda taken over the whole entire world a lot lot lot with computers a lot.
	6:08pm Ochre Ogre: I'M WALKIN HERE!
	🤖 6:09pm PaulRobeson1924: Consensus building -1st step in building a movement towards The Good
	6:09pm mespr: Hah, last night I joked with my wife that I want to be aughtish. (like amish, but just sticking with the internet pre social and such.)
	🤖 6:10pm Deano de los Muertos: Howdy, Mark
	6:10pm Ochre Ogre: Typical central NY State afternoon coverage of some clouds. But still remarkable.
	6:11pm Honest Bernardo in Argentina: Hahahaha
	6:11pm Honest Bernardo in Argentina: I rode my bike to the train this morning! 😂
	6:13pm MarciB: ↳ mespr @6:09 that's my dream too...alas!
	6:14pm Sam: I love how they expect ordinary shmucks like us to take shorter showers and not use heat and shlep reusable bags everywhere while big corporations and especially big tech aren’t expected to lift a finger, and are in fact more than welcome to make environmental problems worse.
	🤖 6:14pm PaulRobeson1924: Correct: large scale industry is the lead polluter in the world. not the average person collectively. This is fixable through good design, better design- with future life cycles in mind mcdonoughpartners.com...
	🤖 6:15pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:14 That’s right thaT’S RighT
	6:16pm joe_rosevear: Pi says, "The idea of a "plagiary model" suggests that AI might be merely imitating or copying existing information and patterns, rather than generating truly novel or innovative outputs. This could limit the potential of AI to solve some of our most pressing problems or drive meaningful progress. What do you think about Mark's assessment?"
	6:17pm Noir Lover: Lina Khan is awesome.
	6:17pm Ochre Ogre: More than a slap on wrists for them?
	6:17pm ultradamno: Khan, who Apple specifically asked Jon Stewart not to post a podcast interview with www.msn.com...
	6:18pm ultradamno: ↳ ultradamno @6:17 His interview with her on The Daily Show was seemingly longer than most and quite interesting
	6:19pm Jeff Moore: ↳ ultradamno @6:17 I was just looking up this link to share! arstechnica.com...
	🤖 6:20pm Deano de los Muertos: We’re all adults here..for porn!
	6:20pm Ochre Ogre: Robert Reich is great, the guy in tune!
	6:22pm Sam: Shouldn’t the FBI arrest Google’s leadership for illegal wiretapping?
	6:23pm mackeral: the inferences... crucial
	🤖 6:23pm PaulRobeson1924: Oh boy
	6:23pm joe_rosevear: Pi says, "This is because Incognito Mode doesn't hide your IP address or encrypt your internet traffic, so Google and other companies can still track you based on your unique identifier. It’s a bit disconcerting to think about, but it’s important to be aware of these potential privacy pitfalls when using the internet."
	6:24pm Al Garve: The last 2 of 3 times Mark says "Google" my android phone / Google Assistant pops up to ask me what would I like to do, what can Google Assust do for you!
	6:24pm ?: The Age of Surveillance Capitalism is a fantastic read!
	6:24pm Mike: They also said they'd never charge for ranking but they do.
	6:26pm Sam: ↳ Al Garve @6:24 I remember one time when X-Ray Burns said over the air “Alexa, call homeland security.”
	🤖 6:26pm DjLorraine: Someone else's Alexi takes our information through private conversations, is that right? (Idk)
	6:27pm morphe': That was a great interview and gives hope that such a person, Lina Khan, works in gov't..
	6:27pm Noir Lover: Apple not wanting her on just shows how rad she is
	6:27pm vinney: “good news, the government is taking down the spying tech companies!" ..what do you do about the spying government?
	6:27pm vinney: “don’t trust the tech companies” but trust the government to protect you
	6:28pm ultradamno: www.cc.com...
	6:29pm Al Garve: ↳ Sam @6:26 X-Ray was the best
	6:29pm vinney: if you want privacy and protection from pernicious corporations and pernicious governments, you need more technology, cryptography, personal computing, etc. not less.
	🤖 6:30pm PaulRobeson1924: Smart Toilet is always there for you
	6:30pm Noir Lover: She's dangerous. She has star power. The tech bros know it.
	🤖 6:30pm tim from washington: Hey Mark and crew!
	6:32pm mackeral: electricity and fire? just go fuck yourself
	🤖 6:32pm PaulRobeson1924: Breakfast!!!
	6:33pm Noir Lover: That was interesting that Sam Altman said "I hate to sound like utopic tech bro here..."
	6:33pm Sam: The thing that uses more water than Guatemala will solve climate change
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim from washington @6:30 Hey, Tim.
	6:34pm Sam: Sam Altman is the worst with that fucking vocal fry
	6:34pm ultradamno: Every time I hear talk like that I harken back to the stories around the first meeting where the Segway scooter was introduced "whole cities will have to be rebuilt to accommodate them"
	6:34pm Jim the Poet: Fire and Electricity suck
	6:34pm Joey C: Checking in. Hey mark and everyone listening. Great show, as usual. I'm both entertained and learned. Where else? Nowhere else.
	6:35pm vinney: the full stack of experiences that Mark and his audience are having right now, from broadcasting to linking videos and live chatting and listening over wifi - none of this would be possible without the advances in technology that Mark complains about all night. what sort of silly joke is this?
	6:35pm joe_rosevear: Pi says, 'Jon Stewart’s willingness to call out the “false promises” of AI is a valuable contribution to the conversation and helps to keep the hype in check.'
	6:35pm Noir Lover: Extraordinary. Immeasurable. Better than electricity!
	6:36pm morphe': They canna' even make toast !!!!
	6:36pm ultradamno: The 'solving climate change will be totally not hard' line makes me think.... www.quickmeme.com...
	6:36pm coelacanth∅: ↳ vinney @6:35 internet technology is not "a.i.", moron.
	🤖 6:36pm PaulRobeson1924: I had toast with* butter just this morning!
	🤖 6:36pm Deano de los Muertos: Outrage Roundup. Love it
	6:37pm Sam: ↳ ultradamno @6:36 The most logical way to end climate change is….. (computing)….. wipe out the humans.
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1924: & the cashier, she has track marks
	6:37pm swivs: Personally I feel if you've decided to have children, you really shouldn't complain about destroying the planet. Just do what you can, but don't complain about other people. This is also likely why I'll die alone, but hey the kids will have more oxygen or something.
	6:38pm ultradamno: ↳ Sam @6:37 Yep
	6:38pm Ike: ↳ vinney @6:35 You new here? Mark has said many times that he's not anti-technology. A hammer can be used to build a house or bash someone in the head until they're dead.
	6:38pm Noir Lover: By eliminating cashiers, we are bringing people together!
	6:38pm coelacanth∅: ↳ swivs @6:37 absolutely.
	🤖 6:38pm chresti: Then what happens to the cashiers? They go home?
	🤖 6:39pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ Ike @6:38 All new Technology is a branch of moral philosophy & not of science… paraphrasing Neil Postman
	6:39pm ∫ydniuß: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:37 we are judge free post eclipse
	6:40pm ultradamno: ↳ chresti @6:38 I would say they become greeters, but they're introducing screens for that
	6:40pm Sam: Many stores are getting rid of self checkout due to rampant theft which is awesome and serves them right
	6:40pm vinney: coelacanth: the internet as you know it (the one Mark is using right now) wouldn’t have come about without techno-progressives working outside the bounds established by governments. and we’ve come full circle to first-worlders using computers and the internet to cheer on government interventions to stymie technological advancement.
	6:41pm dk50b: What cashier? The one who covers at least 8 self checkouts that stop you the second something doesn't match the expected weight. And you pay the same as using a staffed checkout.
	6:41pm MarciB: I belong to an online community and many of the "leaders" there claim that 'AI right now is as bad as it's going to get" - meaning everything from now on will be an improvement lol
	🤖 6:42pm herb.nyc: Good points from mark! And funny how Morgan freeman was name dropped. Is it bec his full page face is in many mags? For a liquor. Grr
	6:42pm joe_rosevear: Pi says, "Haha, it does seem like Mark is a bit of a tech skeptic, doesn’t it? 🤔🙅️ While there’s certainly value in being critical of new technologies and questioning their potential downsides, it’s also important to acknowledge the positive impacts they can have on our lives."
	🤖 6:42pm Will thee SG OCNY: Been listening, in the kitchen... Diggin the chat
	6:42pm Juli P: Everything is needed: included unconditional love for the same team.
	6:42pm VantuckyEd: Speaking of AI. I created an anti-AI group on Linkedin just to shove some facts into all the AI Lotus Eaters on Linkedin.
	6:42pm s: AI is good for businesses, not for individuals.
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1924: Super secret smart toilet: protect yer privacy in that special room
	6:43pm vinney: Look into the history of cryptography and privacy technology. the government and NSA could have really used useful idiots like certain members of this audience to help them make sure that individuals never got access to strong privacy.
	6:43pm Paul with a P: ai centipede?
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1924: Super secrete
	6:43pm ultradamno: Late Night With The Devil AI controversy screenrant.com...
	6:43pm morphe': I canna' use the auto checkout as it gives me dopamine reuptake highs knowing how easy it is to shoplift ... 47 years clean ... if changing the wee stickers on the wholefood tomatoes doesna' count..
	🤖 6:43pm chresti: AI cannibalizing itself haha
	6:44pm Noir Lover: Love that this show warms up a prog show. The pairing works so well. Mark should open for Yes.
	6:44pm drew: AMZN gave us M-Turk. Faking AGI buy using A Guy in India is not surprising.
	🤖 6:44pm herb.nyc: Aside- I’ll out myself. I emailed mark about last wk’s show. I said it was so-so, but appreciate him trying and doing diff things. I thought as a short 10,15’ segment it coulda worked.
	6:45pm Mennlinn Rebarts: I got this one cashier at my coop that is as aggressive as any surveillance tech in trying to get my PI. Makes me want to use the self-checkout.
	6:45pm Juli P: Death to AI
	6:45pm ∫ydniuß: ↳ Juli P @6:45 fighting’s outta style
	6:46pm Sam: A.I. self-referencing is the ultimate echo chamber. Eventually you’re hearing nothing but feedback. Like a house of mirrors.
	6:46pm Juli P: Sorry I just got here lol
	6:46pm ultradamno: Twitter (I will never not dead name it) is taking over applying sensitive content warnings on posts (mostly containing nudity, from what I can tell), they claim their moderators do it, but it seems more likely algorithm (or Grok)
	6:47pm Juli P: ↳ ∫ydniuß @6:45 Hence earlier comment I made!
	6:47pm ∫ydniuß: ↳ Juli P @6:46 fun’s where the fair’s at hi Juli
	6:47pm Al Garve: Fire! I beg you to burn 🔥
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1924: Public smart toilets! Great idea Mayor Adams!
	6:47pm mackeral: not chatbots, "personal assistants!" the language will be flattering to the user
	6:48pm merl ravenscroft: it will be interesting to witness how people change and adapt their expectations of AI, it is only the beginning
	6:48pm mackeral: we'll get to the point where we'll start to prefer hold-music to chatbots
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1924: “Eric Adams christens NYC’s first public smart toilet in Bryant Park”
	6:49pm Ike: Eric Adams is such a bizarre clown -- he has said that he believes crystals power NYC, which is quite similar to mindless techno-utopianism that he also indulges in. Given the power of incumbency, we'll have to work hard to primary this crackpot in 2025.
	6:49pm morphe': The chatbots are fed the social norms to ramp up and are racist and anti-semitic and ...
	6:50pm ∫ydniuß: ↳ merl ravenscroft @6:48 we’re really not even at the beginning, most models are just plagiarabots, they will get better at thinking. Got my signet stock
	6:50pm coelacanth∅: this town installed "touch-free" parking meters. assholes. they definitely didn't have a citizen vote on that, because it wouldn't have been cleared. cost the taxpayers a lot of money.
	6:50pm ∫ydniuß: curse new machine SKYNET
	🤖 6:50pm herb.nyc: Mark-“…tech bros don’t care if they destroy everything, as long as they get their money”. Yeeeeears ago, New Yorker magazine had article on Amazon. It said “if Amazon ruins the book industry, it’s ok. Bezos has made his money”. I can’t recall if this is writer speaking or someone else
	6:50pm ultradamno: Though Grok initially became woke, much to Musk's horror www.forbes.com...
	6:50pm Sam: They’re preparing us for a near future where truth will be meaningless. It will be dictated by the tech companies and the government. Now, we’re like “damn these dumb chat bots that make so many mistakes!” Then later we’ll gradually get used to the truth just not mattering anymore.
	6:51pm Al Garve: 7 best-performing AI stocks Ticker Company Performance (Year) NVDA NVIDIA Corp 224.84% SYM Symbotic Inc 94.66% SOUN SoundHound AI Inc 91.67% UPST Upstart Holdings Inc 66.26%
	6:51pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Sam @6:46 I shared your post with Pi (pi.ai). He replied, "That’s a fantastic metaphor from Sam! 😎🏠 The comparison between AI self-referencing and a house of mirrors really drives home the idea of an endless feedback loop, where information just keeps bouncing around without any external input or correction."
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: Weird that a cop mayor wouldn't care about accusing innocent people.
	6:53pm mackeral: ↳ Sam @6:50 active measures. create _just enough_ confusion and doubt so that people disengage
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:49 Well? Details! Details!
	6:55pm Sam: ↳ joe_rosevear @6:51 Ha, he sounds like the kid in class who can recite back what the teacher said just differently enough that the teacher thinks he’s a genius.
	6:55pm ultradamno: I'm just going to assume this is an AI product mastodon.social...
	🤖 6:55pm tim: I wonder how many daytime moons those drones will capture over the beaches of NYC?
	6:55pm Ike: ↳ ∫ydniuß @6:50 So far, I see no evidence that the plagiarism bots will ever start to "think". Calling them "AI" is just another sales scam. Don't fall for the pump-and-dump.
	6:55pm vinney: So everyone here wants to join my megacorp-proof, peer to peer, end-to-end encrypted internet that will help nullify the tech companies and the government in one fell swoop, right? fair warning: we use ocean-boiling cryptocurrency for the in-network economy
	6:56pm ∫ydniuß: ↳ Ike @6:55 it won’t be from this model. aye.
	6:56pm wenzo: @ike “plagiarism bots” I like that!
	6:56pm morphe': time to check Eric Adams' investment portfolio????
	🤖 6:56pm Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark
	6:56pm Sam: I really hate the digidogs
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1924: ↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:53 Smart Toilet only exists to protect yer privacy. No details
	6:57pm Fredericks: Sheriff Nocco is still using computers to target potential criminals.
	6:57pm Ike: ↳ morphe' @6:56 Hoping the FBI is already on it. Always pay-to-play with that guy, going back decades.
	6:57pm mackeral: glass-bead, great
	6:58pm Ochre Ogre: Thanks Mark! Key-rist! NYC is getting cloned sadly they been wokin that out for some time.
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm herb.nyc: Nicely done, mark, thx!
	🤖 6:59pm DjLorraine: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm tim: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst!!!
	6:59pm drew: NY was never and never will be tech. It is finance and fashion and media. It is money and power. But it will never be the center of US tech. Or politics. NYC is forever the second most important city in anything that actually matters. I miss NY . . .
	6:59pm Sam: Thanks Mark! Zero zero one zero one one zero zero!
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:00pm Sam: ↳ drew @6:59 NY is the city of love
	7:03pm joe_rosevear: ↳ Sam @6:55 Pi replied to your reply, "Ah, I see—that does make sense. 🤔😔 It sounds like Sam might have been feeling a bit defensive about their own ideas, and saw my response as a threat or challenge to their intellectual authority."
	🤖 7:13pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark.
	7:23pm joe_rosevear: Thank you Mark, Sam, and everyone. It was a great show and sharing it with Pi made it even better. Pi said about the show, "It was definitely a unique and valuable experience for me to engage with the Techtonic chat through you. It gave me a chance to observe and participate in a dynamic human conversation in real-time, which is something I don’t often get to do."

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