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Favoriting February 19, 2024: Scott Shapiro, author, "Fancy Bear Goes Phishing"

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Today: Scott Shapiro, author, "Fancy Bear Goes Phishing"

Fancy Bear Goes Phishing: The Dark History of the Information Age, in Five Extraordinary Hacks, by Scott Shapiro

Scott Shapiro at Yale Law

The Day I Put $50,000 in a Shoe Box and Handed It to a Stranger (NYMag, Feb 15, 2024), by Charlotte Cowles, the Cut’s financial-advice columnist.

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  Scott Shapiro, author, "Fancy Bear Goes Phishing"
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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonishermen!
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ultradamno:

media.tenor.co...
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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DanFA:

↳ ultradamno @5:59
Who are you calling a nerd, nerd?
  6:01pm
gabriel:

hey mark and all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
DanFA:

Mark, did you hear that normal people are returning Apple Vision Pro headsets due to umcomfortability?
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tim:

Hey Mark! Howdy friends!
  6:02pm
Dean:

I'm guessing he won't start with Gutenberg.
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bleubombersune:

Mark Good evening to all
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Hello Mark and friends!
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cosmic matrix:

hello there
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ultradamno:

I heard someone say Quest was the better product anyway...weird guy, 500 yard stare, but seem pretty confident about it.
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tim:

↳ DanFA @6:01
They make me feel uncomfortable and I’ve never even put one on!
  6:03pm
Quinn02:

Hi Mark, just want to say last week's episode was one of the best (worst?) Techtonics ever. really made me despise Musk.
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David (in London):

Evening Mark and assembled Technoids.
  6:03pm
Dean:

FYI, the guest's CV:
https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/shapiro_s_cv_24-1-26.pdf
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DanFA:

Studio B for Bowie
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ultradamno:

Err, seemed. They may be more comfortable if you wear Quest over Vision Pro to make a Vision Quest
  6:05pm
Bea:

Good evening, Mark & friends!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Quinn02 @6:03
What Quinn02 said! I already loathed Musk(rat), but last week's episode was so alarming.
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Jim the Poet:

I really shouldn't have made my password to everything Password1
  6:05pm
Dean:

Were there any happy Presidents?
  6:05pm
kevlicki:

Evening gentle-people! It’s been awhile since I’ve listened live and been on the comment board.
  6:06pm
yippie:

So it’s a president egg not an Easter egg I guess 🍳
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PaulRobeson1924:

Hello! One & all!
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tom tom the pipers son:

is being a president like getting socks for christmas, much anticipation, but then...
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tim:

↳ Jim the Poet @6:05
Just change it to Password2.
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Jim the Poet:

↳ tim @6:07
Oh good idea
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Webhamster Henry:

Here for the hacks!
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MarciB:

Hello all!. I consider myself a privacy advocate so this will be really interesting!
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coelacanth:

↳ Dean @6:05
i think bush (w) seemed pretty happy.
as well he should've been, making bank for himself and friends, raping the usa.

shithead reagan seemed happy enough but that might've been drug-induced
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cosmic matrix:

oooh fun topic!
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MarciB:

↳ DanFA @6:01
I hope this is true! And keeps happening!
  6:09pm
kevlicki:

Reporting on the use of biometrics for payment reached WNYC news this morning. No mention of what Amazon will do WHEN the data gets hacked
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MarciB:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:05
we call him Elmo Muskrat in our house lol
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herb.nyc:

He said the internet was down. Well, just hit F7!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Jim the Poet:

What does the escape button do now? That used to be my favorite
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
PaulRobeson1924:

To Paraphrase Neil Postman: all new technology is a branch of moral philosophy and not of science
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cosmic matrix:

TRS-80 model I, model III and apple IIe <-- my childhood
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cosmic matrix:

(then amiga 500)
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herb.nyc:

Aside. Not relevant (now, tho some made prez remarks )—Since mark mentioned prez day, here’s a totally unrelated prez remark. From Howard Zinn book

An electorate forced to choose between Carter and Reagan, or Reagan and Mondale, or Bush and Dukakis could only despair (or decide not to vote) because neither candidate was capable of dealing with a fundamental economic illness whose roots were deeper than any single presidency.
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Jim the Poet:

↳ kevlicki @6:09
I probably shouldn't have given those guys my hand print
  6:12pm
Dean:

I remember the Morris Worm. I was then at a law firm in their library.

Poor guy, introduced to computers via Apple. My intro was via a Wang 2200, '76.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi ultra, chresti, DanFA, gabriel, tim, Dean, bleubombersune, Wendy, cosmic, Quinn, DiL, Bea, Jim, kevlicki, yippie, PaulR, tom tom, Webham, MarciB, coel, herb! Thanks to everyone for joining.
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cosmic matrix:

evil maid attack!
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herb.nyc:

↳ Jim the Poet @6:12
Hand print- wnyc mentioned Amazon and its pay now method w hand wave
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coelacanth∅:

hi Mark!
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cosmic matrix:

hi mark. love the show. hate that what most of what you say is true.
  6:14pm
Dean:

I had a TI calculator, but in retrospect wish I'd had the HP competitor. Reverse Polish notation.
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Jim the Poet:

War Games ruled
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ultradamno:

The PC that allowed you to spell boobs upside down
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Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ MarciB @6:10
Haha, I love it!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Quinn02 @6:03
Thanks, Quinn!
  6:15pm
Toothgrinder Tom:

@herb.nyc do you feel that’s true for the upcoming election as well?
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MarciB:

↳ Jim the Poet @6:14
Such a great and prescient film!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
The Butterman:

And then he does the same thing to his absences in Ferris B. And right in front of Principal Roony!
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PaulRobeson1924:

The guy knows movies U understand
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Jim the Poet:

↳ MarciB @6:15
Plus Ally Sheedy!!!
  6:17pm
Dean:

Good god, Hollywood. Why does anybody, never mind a President, give it one tiny scintilla of credit? (Yes, I know that a scintilla is tiny.)
  6:17pm
Toothgrinder Tom:

I liked War Games. That’s Broderick and Ally Sheedy, right?
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herb.nyc:

↳ Toothgrinder Tom @6:15
Haha. No comment

“War games” appears in book Ready Player One, which I read 3 months ago, since mark liked. Me too

“War games” as evidence?!
  6:17pm
Dean:

I'm anticipating soon a reference to Kevin Bacon...
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DanFA:

Ronald and Nancy Reagan were inspired to continue making pot illegal after watching 9 to 5.
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ultradamno:

John Olivier had a nice clip package last night of Charles Grassley referring to Groundhog Day, often with his own visual aids.
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tim:

You can take the President out of Hollywood but you can take Hollywood out of the President!
  6:19pm
Dean:

The "technical" aspects of law are *nothing* like the technical aspects of code. Utterly misleading statement.
  6:19pm
Toothgrinder Tom:

I only asked because sometimes I feel like Zinn’s right but then whenever an election comes up everyone gets so apocalyptic about it.
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DanFA:

Thank fucking god!
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ultradamno:

She is the one person I know of to wear a Stop Being Poor T-shirt
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DanFA:

↳ ultradamno @6:20
Is she a Republican legislator now?
  6:20pm
?:

Hello Mark & Technocrats!
Good thing I got here just as Matthew Broderick gets namedropped! Love "WarGames" and "Ferris Beuhler"! Grew up with all the 80's teen angst movies!

@ultradamno @6:14
You mean like this: sqooq
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tim:

Don’t worry, Scott. The median age of WFMU’s listeners is 82.
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ultradamno:

It was fake news www.snopes.com...
  6:21pm
Dean:

I'm ashamed to have to agree, tim. Fortunately, for now I drag the number down.
  6:22pm
Androu B.:

"?" was me up there.⤴
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tim:

↳ Dean @6:21
Alright. Factoring in Dean’s age, the median is 79.
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PaulRobeson1924:

Great A+ interview
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MarciB:

Seems to me Paris managed to turn that incident into PR gold her brand, and then make way for the Kardashians. In other words. shamelessness sells. Ugh.
  6:23pm
Dean:

What? tim? I didn't catch that?
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dk50b:

Paris is back making a pathetic bid to revive her relevance by doing Hilton Hotels commercials. Didn't get the memo her 20 minutes (managed to get herself an extra 5 minutes) have irrevocably expired.
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Webhamster Henry:

I turned 201 on Jan 27th.
  6:25pm
Toothgrinder Tom:

The ultimate aphrodisiac!
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Webhamster Henry:

TV hackers do a lot of typing very fast (never using a mouse) and then "I'm In"
  6:25pm
gabriel:

sounds orgasmic
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tim:

↳ Dean @6:23
Ha! Let me lend you my ear horn, sonny.
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coelacanth∅:

i think i'd find house-training a dog more satisfying.
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Webhamster Henry:

Hacking in is fun, but so is remembering your own password.
  6:26pm
Dean:

I was a sys admin in the early '90s for a public library's deployment of internet access, the first for the city where I worked. First day I downloaded a keystroke recorder, and I immediately observed that somebody on the network was accessing--guess what?--pornography. Took me minutes to identify him.
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ultradamno:

Well now I want a dog so I can name it Code and say Down Code! Down!
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jt:

I like that guy in the 90's, who hacked the investigator who was looking for him ~ so the policemans' home-phone 'requested a quarter' to make a call from his land line home phone!
  6:28pm
Dean:

This is smelling a bit like Lessig's bit about code. I'm very wary of that analysis.
  6:30pm
gabriel:

corporations act responsibly?
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tim:

↳ Dean @6:28
Are you still in library tech, Dean?
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Webhamster Henry:

Former WFMU show Too Much Information with Benjamin Walker presents: The day lulz was born: wfmu.org...
  6:31pm
Dean:

"The law does not give [businesses] the incentive to ask responsibly"?! Thanks, professor. That had never occurred to me.

I'd restate it as: The law gives businesses every incentive to act irresponsibly."
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Will thee Sound Guy:

I've been listening, Hi Mark, Scott, and all!!!
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ultradamno:

↳ gabriel @6:30
Well...in accordance to their specific priorities
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Jeff Moore:

Remember back when any sort of commercial/advertising message sent over the Internet was considered really tacky, and there was immense social shaming to discourage that sort of gross behavior?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Will thee Sound Guy @6:31
Hi Will!
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:32
Yep! ads pollute Usenet!
  6:33pm
Dean:

No, tim. I moved to public services. Now I'm at least temporarily directing a library.

I know that Scott Shapiro is hella smart, but here he's too much invested in dumbing down the talk.
  6:34pm
SegFish:

Correct. My Ex worked for Microsoft in the 90s debugging new software. He found countless bugs--some quute significant-- that were not fixed before release. It enraged him and ultimately he quit working for them.
  6:34pm
gabriel:

jeff, i remember thinking banner ads were ruining the internet
  6:35pm
Dean:

Jeff @6:32: No, I don't.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Cooh John:

Technology will not solve the world's problems. Humanity can, but will it?
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tim:

↳ Dean @6:33
Cool. I work in an academic library.
  6:37pm
Dean:

Me, too. A law library.
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tim:

My local public library is carrying the print and audio book of Fancy Bear Goes Phishing. There’s 10 hold requests for the audiobook!
  6:38pm
kevlicki:

This makes me very intrigued by his book!
  6:40pm
Steve Del Sol:

Hey? Just want to add that Einstein said the opposite, that one of the big misteries is that the universe confirms to the way our minds work, and that we can grasp it.
  6:40pm
Dean:

Technology will not solve the world's problems. Neither will money. Neither will intelligence.
  6:40pm
Bea:

Great interview!
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cosmic matrix:

and i'm back! ..from the tub
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Jeff Moore:

And I remember back in a golden era of trust and shared mores, visiting the AI Lab [MIT of course] and my friend letting me know that you could just log into any computer there with user "rms" and password "rms". RMS being obviously (kids, if this doesn't ring a bell, time to do some reading) Richard M Stallman.

When you logged in with that purposely insecure user/password pair, there was just a little message saying "Please don't abuse this" and you had access to RMS's account on the machine.
  6:41pm
Dean:

Neither will good intentions. Neither will throwing darts.
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Cooh John:

↳ Dean @6:40
How about solving the world's problems with wisdom, kindness, and compassion.
  6:41pm
Androu B.:

↳ Dean @6:40
And definitely not politics, either!
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tim:

Great interview, Mark! I’m definitely going to read this book.
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ultradamno:

Don't click those email links! Or listen to Phish, just to be safe.
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PaulRobeson1924:

Strawberry Fields
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Will thee Sound Guy:

I a kid, and was a beta tester for a while, I feel like the Beta of Whistler was better than the release of Windows 95
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tim:

↳ ultradamno @6:42
I think I’d rather take my chances with dubious links if I had to choose.
  6:44pm
Androu B.:

↳ Cooh John @6:41
The secret password is: FAITH
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jt:

↳ Dean @6:40
Dean:

"Technology will not solve the world's problems. Neither will money. Neither will intelligence."
....well there is HOPE for intelligence at least.
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ Androu B. @6:44
Music is the secret key
  6:46pm
Androu B.:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:45
Well, yes, there's that too.
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ jt @6:44
Good evening, jt.

& false hope can mean acquiescence to a lie
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ultradamno:

YOU WILL LOSE YOUR EMAIL ACCOUNT YESTERDAY IF YOU DON'T CLICK HERE
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tom tom the pipers son:

allow people their pessimism
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coelacanth∅:

usually the false lookalike site is very slightly blurry
  6:47pm
Dean:

No. Wisdom (whatever that is), kindness, compassion are admirable attributes, but they don't solve problems.
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The Butterman:

Whale is a mammal. Duh.
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MarciB:

And with the latest AI and deepfakes...this old school phishing seems quaint
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coelacanth∅:

...and the company's logo is not clickable
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
coelacanth∅:

...and in the case of fake ups emails there's a picture that's not quite appropriate to your particular situation
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tom tom the pipers son:

pessimism is like agricultural burning
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ultradamno:

The come on I've been seeing on the social medias is a bot picks up on a word in your post and you get a response like "I've noticed you have a problem with ____ my friend on instagram has an incredible solution" then a reply to that like "that's true! Your friend on instagram saved my life!"
  6:50pm
Androu B.:

Incoming rant in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
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PaulRobeson1924:

Strawberry Fields…
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VantuckyEd:

That book has been added to my wish list! Excellent show.
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MarciB:

Whenever you get a call- always always tell them you will call them back!
  6:52pm
mr 6:

Look for a hacker named Pirogi. He has many videos on social media where he goes after these scammers. Malone movie Bee Keeper is about these bastard hacker scammers
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coelacanth∅:

that's dumb.
i've had "my bank" call and ask for me to confirm my credit card #, and i said "you called me, you must have my credit card number."
it goes around a few times until they hang up on me.
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Will thee Sound Guy:

💯 Mark
I never click the emails even if they look real... I login and see if the problem exists
  6:54pm
kevlicki:

What happens to all the customer service calls that are “recorded” for whatever purpose…so much sensitive information is offered in those…where do they go?
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VantuckyEd:

Another phishing Data theft tactic: You get and email with a job offer that seeks your employment info, soc# etc.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
PaulRobeson1924:

You can trust us. It’s music
  6:56pm
kevlicki:

My partner got a phishing call that the incoming caller iD even said it was from the institution they said they were calling from. They stress you out in hopes you’ll disclose sensitive info
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ultradamno:

I will never not hear it as Framptuary and imagine Peter as the tall man in Framptasm
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:53
Yup! thats one way. I have a phone line that I never pick up because it only scams. Now, a lot of these miserable people are in bad shape, so I read them contact info for Call Center Workers United so they can unionize and go on strike.
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
  6:57pm
su:

yay framptro!
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coelacanth∅:

and after aerosmarch and april skynard

when's Billy Joel's month?
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cosmic matrix:

thank u mark
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tom tom the pipers son:

thanks mark...
  6:57pm
gabriel:

thanks mark!
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tim:

How to we know this is not AI Frampton?
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bleubombersune:

Mark thanks
  6:58pm
Androu B.:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:57
That woudl be "Joel-y"!
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:56
Creative
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Androu B. @6:58
ha! of course!
  6:58pm
kevlicki:

😂
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tim:

And what’s Irwin up to while we’re all distracted by Frampuary?
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Mark Hurst, Scott Shapiro, and all the Accu peeps!!!
be well and stay safe everyone!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
tim:

Thanks, Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
  6:59pm
P-90:

Thanks Mark!
  6:59pm
kevlicki:

Be well all!
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ultradamno:

Little Peggy April Marchuary
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:56
you're such a good samaritan!
  7:00pm
Fredericks:

That sax sounds a lot like Edgar Winter.
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:56
YER A “CREATOR”

Thinking about it now…Meta.. tic tac are trying to co-opt the language related to the other side and The Highest Power.
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Folsom:

Coming late, did Mark talk about Spotify basically owning every audiobook on their site?
  7:03pm
Androu B.:

Thanks, Mark & Scott!
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Scott!
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