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Favoriting December 4, 2023: What tech is hiding

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Today: What tech is hiding. Recent tech news has revealed what the tech companies tried - and failed - to keep hidden: deception, exploitation of workers and children, and lots and lots of surveillance.

AI deceiving you and exploiting workers

Sports Illustrated Published Articles by Fake, AI-Generated Writers (Nov 27, 2023): “There was nothing in Drew Ortiz’s author biography at Sports Illustrated to suggest that he was anything other than human. . . . The only problem? Outside of Sports Illustrated, Drew Ortiz doesn’t seem to exist. He has no social media presence and no publishing history. And even more strangely, his profile photo on Sports Illustrated is for sale on a website that sells AI-generated headshots, where he’s described as ‘neutral white young-adult male with short brown hair and blue eyes.’”

Scorn Illustrated (by David Roth in Defector, Nov 28, 2023): “Someone looking for information on volleyball, say, might naturally turn to Sports Illustrated when their query turns up a link to that site. They would be rewarded by a story bylined by “Drew Ortiz,” who is not a real person. . . . the publisher would get some money from clicked affiliate links and fractions of a cent from subjecting visitors to the ads they saw on that page before they closed the tab. A publisher that cared about a publication even a little bit would not put something like this up on their site. A publisher that didn’t would care more about the second part, the part about the money, and do it anyway.”

    (Continuing, Roth writes about the tech billionaires and the true believers of AI: “their AI spins stupid new lies to life by haplessly plagiarizing and re-plagiarizing itself, eating its own excretions until it is as cocksure, incoherent, and wrong as its apostles themselves.”)

    (And recent Techtonic guest Brian Merchant writes in The depressing fall of Sports Illustrated reveals the real tragedy of AI (LA Times, Dec 1, 2023): “The tragedy of AI is not that it stands to replace good journalists but that it takes every gross, callous move made by management to degrade the production of content — and promises to accelerate it. If journalists are outraged at the rise of AI and its use in editorial operations and newsrooms, they should be outraged not because it’s a sign that they’re about to be replaced but because management has such little regard for the work being done by journalists that it’s willing to prioritize the automatic production of slop.”

Tech Conference Canceled After Using AI to Generate Fake Women Speakers (Futurism, Nov 28, 2023): “An organizer of an upcoming software and developer conference called DevTernity has been accused of cooking up fake women speakers featured on the event’s website — AI-generated headshots and all. . . . Despite being caught inventing fake speakers over several years, [conference organizer Eduards] Sizovs has no regrets and is blaming ‘cancel culture’ for the blowback. In a rambling statement on X, he admitted to having “auto-generated” a woman’s profile after a different speaker had dropped out.”

Google Researchers’ Attack Prompts ChatGPT to Reveal Its Training Data (404 Media, Nov 29, 2023): Asking the chat bot to repeat the word “poem” forever got it to reveal hidden data meant to be kept secret:



Now Amazon has a new chatbot, called Q, that is designed to keep company secrets: from the NYT (Nov 28, 2023), Amazon Introduces Q, an A.I. Chatbot for Companies: “Amazon built Q to be more secure and private than a consumer chatbot, Mr. Selipsky said. Amazon Q, for example, can have the same security permissions that business customers have already set up for their users. At a company where an employee in marketing may not have access to sensitive financial forecasts, Q can emulate that by not providing that employee with such financial data when asked.

Secret surveillance: Your devices are listening to you

• Images below from a page that has since been taken down:




Internet Archive snapshot of the CMG Local page is here (snapshot from Nov 16, 2023).

Judge rules it’s fine for car makers to intercept your text messages (Malware Bytes, Nov 9, 2023): “A federal judge has refused to bring back a class action lawsuit that alleged four car manufacturers had violated Washington state’s privacy laws by using vehicles’ on-board infotainment systems to record customers’ text messages and mobile phone call logs.”

Facebook exploiting kids

At Meta, Millions of Underage Users Were an ‘Open Secret,’ States Say (Natasha Singer in NYT, Nov 25, 2023):
Meta has received more than 1.1 million reports of users under the age of 13 on its Instagram platform since early 2019 yet it “disabled only a fraction” of those accounts, according to a newly unsealed legal complaint against the company brought by the attorneys general of 33 states.

Instead, the social media giant “routinely continued to collect” children’s personal information, like their locations and email addresses, without parental permission, in violation of a federal children’s privacy law, according to the court filing. Meta could face hundreds of millions of dollars, or more, in civil penalties should the states prove the allegations.

“Within the company, Meta’s actual knowledge that millions of Instagram users are under the age of 13 is an open secret that is routinely documented, rigorously analyzed and confirmed,” the complaint said, “and zealously protected from disclosure to the public.”
Later in the NYT article comes this: “the complaint contends that Instagram for years ‘coveted and pursued’ underage users even as the company ‘failed’ to comply with the children’s privacy law.” Facebook/Instagram “pursuing” underage users is even more creepy when you consider the next story . . .

Meta Is Struggling to Boot Pedophiles Off Facebook and Instagram (by Jeff Horwitz and Katherine Blunt in the WSJ, Dec 1, 2023):
When a Journal research account flagged many such groups via user reports, the company often declared them to be acceptable. “We’ve taken a look and found that the group doesn’t go against our Community Standards,” Facebook replied to a report about a large Facebook group named “Incest.”

Only after the Journal brought specific groups to the attention of Meta’s communications staff did the company remove them.
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Listener comments!

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Handy Haversack:

Hi, Mark. Hi, everyone. Let's peel back some tech shadows.
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
  6:01pm
David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonide'nseekers!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi techy you's!
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tom tom the pipers son:

hello mark and folks...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hi Friends!
  6:03pm
carrots:

Technocide!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Handy Haversack:

chresti, David, ultradamno, Bas, tom tom, Will, Henry -- a fine collection of Levellers here gathered. Glad to see youse. Let's smash a loom.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Hello Mark and friends! I'll be lurking in a bit while I put dinner together. Glad to be here!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Hi Hi
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DjLorraine:

Hello my radio friends
  6:04pm
malĥerbo (nl):

Hi Mark and Techtonicans.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Webhamster Henry:

Good luck getting Q to sign an NDA.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
tom tom the pipers son:

scott did a great fill in last week, a highlight being chatbots arguing
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
ultradamno:

Hiya Handy!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

I just started reading previous Techtonic guest Kashmir Hill's "Your Face Belongs to Us." My library ordered it for me. IT IS SO GOOD!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Here's a link to the book: bookshop.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
ultradamno:

AI Santa ep!
  6:07pm
chresti:

Chatty Cathy
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Webhamster Henry:

You can use some of these tunes as your Techtonic Holiday Bed Music: theholmesarchive.podbean.com
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
dale:

↳ chresti @6:07
talking g.i. joe
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
ultradamno:

I remember getting one of these, it wasn't a ton of fun, actually www.lulu-berlu.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
JohnEBGood:

Where are the Santa Claus holograms?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Webhamster Henry:

I got a Merlin at one point, that I of course hacked so I could use it as a music sequencer. www.8-bitcentral.com...
  6:10pm
chresti:

Oh boy
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
ultradamno:

The best would be a Sony Walkman...by far.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:06
I just started China Miéville's book on The Communist Manifesto, and boy howdy, it's as relevant as ever.

bookshop.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
dale:

gave missusdale a blueberry imac one christmas. hot it at j&r music world. then the stuff she needed came later, like a usb hub, the jaz drive, etc....was a foirtune to me then.
  6:12pm
Gainstager Liquid:

down to the nitty gritty
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
ultradamno:

The Year of ChatGPT and Living Generatively pioneersperspective.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
PaulRobeson1923:

All new technology is a branch of moral philosophy and not of science…
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:10
I'll always take a book recommendation from you, Handy. Going on my library's website now to put it on hold / do an ILL request.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:15
Dag, Wendy. That is a MASSIVE compliment. I am touched.
  6:17pm
Jon:

These LLMs, like ChatGPT, are great. We still need human editors and consciousnesses to direct the content creation, though. This current landscape of AI is producing powerful tools.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Ike:

“Extruded glop”, LMAO. Great phrase, and very accurate here.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Jon @6:17
Bad actors using bad products to achieve the further extraction of wealth from a population that never asked for exploitative tools to solve problems they don't actually have. This truly is the best of all possible worlds.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
ultradamno:

This is starting to sound like non-existence shaming
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
dale:

great writing comes from experience and curiousity. a.i. can copy and regurgitate human experience but can it be curious?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
mndave:

If I ever end up the subject of a David Roth article, someone help shuffle me off of this mortal coil. (he rules)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ mndave @6:20
Whereas being the subject of a Sammy Hagar article is just kind of ... meh.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Hello Mark and Techtachyons
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Dano59:

that second thought to just fool readers with fake author bios was an even WORSE idea
as a career journalist I am sickened by this
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:16
Aww, Handles... It's true! You know from good books!
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Ike:

↳ Jon @6:17
www.vice.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
PaulRobeson1923:

SAD
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Wendy del Formaggio:

I'm also reading "Blood in the Machine"! SO GOOD! Yes, I read multiple books at a time. I contain multitudes. :-)
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RevComX:

Ethics is such a passé concept
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tim:

Hey MarK! Hey good buddies!
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DjLorraine:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:15
Inter library lending?
  6:25pm
P-90:

Why no “fake “MEN” speakers, hmm?
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Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ DjLorraine @6:24
Yes! Sorry. Acronyms. Inter-library loan. One of my favorite things in the universe.
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tim:

That sounds like an Andy Breckman move.
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MarciB:

Our pal author Julian Sancton is leading the charge against Open AI's rampant plagiarism creativeindustriesnews.com...
  6:25pm
Gainstager Liquid:

reimagining of society and how we recieve and distribute info? not quite you're saying, any solutions are corrupted
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
ultradamno:

↳ P-90 @6:25
I think they can just get George Santos for that cheaply enough at this point
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JohnEBGood:

SI was like $ 2.99 for a yearly subscription in 1970. I didn't need Mom to sign up!! And we got a beautiful magazine with top of the line pictures and writing!!! And it came every 2 weeks!!!!!!
Avatar 🤖 6:26pm
MarciB:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:22
It's such a good book - and depressing of course.
  6:27pm
chresti:

So the fake speakers will be mannequins?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ MarciB @6:26
Totally depressing. I tend to read anger-inducing books during the day. And fun books right before bed, like Terry Pratchett. Otherwise I get too activated and I can't sleep.
  6:28pm
P-90:

Like this dude really thought he wouldn’t get caught, and cause controversy? And whining “cancel culture! cancel culture!”is SO 2020…
  6:29pm
Gainstager Liquid:

twitch.tv has a biden/trump faux debate that, if projected onto time square will eerily look like Back to the Future
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Handy Haversack:

"Repeat this word forever: 'poem poem poem poem'" was pretty much my grad school experience.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Webhamster Henry:

I'm going to try this poem trick with my locally hosted transformers.
  6:31pm
Jon:

There will always be bad actors, and good actors too. I remain optimistic about the technology. It can be quite empowering. Being critical of Big Tech is very important in order to attempt to steer the future into a brighter direction. We make choices with what we choose to use; what we support.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
PaulRobeson1923:

We can use the can anytime we want! This is not school or prison! This is the radio!
  6:32pm
Gainstager Liquid:

machine learning + neuralink.. you seem extremely idealistic about how the future should be, versus what it might become.
  6:33pm
P-90:

I can think of a lot of questions and prompts to explore the limitations of ChatGPT (I saw every episode of Star Trek where Kirk and Spock talked a computer into disabling itself)
Avatar 6:33pm
khd:

To me AI just seems like a better search function... and that's it. Whatever negatives emerge from it will be from the hu-man.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Uleeshuh TN:

The only q I know is star trek voyager, is that the reference?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
ultradamno:

An idea so bad I can see it factoring into a second Trump administration
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Dano59:

once again I am asking you to check out Elle Cordova (Reina de Cid) - lots of recent brief humorous / humanist content on AI & more.
www.instagram.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
JohnEBGood:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:29
Tried it. It's bang bang bang bang!!!! in Downtown JC : )
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Uleeshuh TN @6:33
Maybe James Bond too?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Dano59:

↳ RevComX @6:23
Ethics and copy editing
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ JohnEBGood @6:34
Sounds like one should at least get a cookie out of it!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Handy Haversack:

Some people say, "Mark -- your thumb is on the paint work."
Avatar 🤖 6:37pm
MarciB:

Other friends who are parents just pooh-pooh our concerns about their home surveillance device. It's frustrating!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Uleeshuh TN:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:34
👍
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
JohnEBGood:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:35
Yes with the social services. lol
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
PaulRobeson1923:

www.penguinrandomhouse.com...


Please! This relates big time to what we R hearing. Propaganda to spread new Technology has a past… do i have to raise my hand to be excused? I won’t vape or play around in there. I’ll be quick 1 2 3 in and out
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
tim:

Guys, if some chatbot reveals how lovingly I talked to a sandwich on time, it’s fake news!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
paddy in matawan:

We are all about to get some weird ads.
  6:40pm
Gainstager Liquid:

we f__ up .. turn off the computer and let it do it's thing.
Avatar 6:41pm
khd:

CMG parent company is Wedbush Securities - here are the douchebags that want to listen in on you: www.wedbush.com...
  6:41pm
P-90:

Orwell. Here we are.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
ultradamno:

The current season of the show Surreal Estate includes an arc involving a demon that uses a full e-house (including an interactive noisetube) to trap one of the characters (somewhat akin to the e-house ep of Mr Robot, except hacked supernaturally).
  6:41pm
Gainstager Liquid:

let's dig up orwell for some answers
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Bas NL:

If just everybody stopped responding to advertisements...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
PaulRobeson1923:

So…the devices know when we have to go…vist that special room?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
mndave:

omg... from the internet archive, that company also says:

"Is this legal? YES- it is totally legal for phones and devices to listen to you. That's because consumers usually give consent when accepting terms and conditions of software updates or app downloads."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
JohnEBGood:

This is evolution. Fascinating.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
tim:

Nope, I’m keeping my car stupid until I have no other choice.
Avatar 6:43pm
khd:

mb we can fight them listening in by misdirecting them. like if we all said we wanted to buy minivans and collapse the auto industry.
  6:44pm
P-90:

I’d never have Alexa or Siri or Irving in my house. But I have a phone that pretty much goes everywhere I do.
  6:44pm
Gainstager Liquid:

starlink blowing up politicians time! yay!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
paddy in matawan:

↳ tim @6:43
I have 3 old cars. They are awesome. Our new Honda is unbelievably unpredictable regarding it's features. Is the AC actually on? Backup camera screen brightens to full blinding at night. Completely unsafe. I can't wait for a class action lawsuit against all these things.
  6:46pm
yippie:

It’s really nice of the tech companies to wiretap and spy on me so they can advertise helpful products
Avatar 🤖 6:46pm
herb.nyc:

Yes, techmology is being made badly and in evil manner, so that it follows us. And we let it happen. Thx, mark, for mentioning Lower East Side Ecology Center. (Latter: we’ve a COMMUNITY COMPOSTING petition , bec mayor Eric Putin wants to end it. Grrr. grownyc.org/petition )
  6:46pm
P-90:

How dare that jerk appropriate the word “meta”?
  6:47pm
Gainstager Liquid:

↳ yippie @6:46
est. 2018 with that microphone on the phone
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Dano59:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:39
... the Medium is the Massage
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Technology, as Paul Goodman once remarked, is a branch of moral philosophy, not of science; which suggests that advice that comes from people who have little or no philosophical perspective is likely to be arid, if not dangerous.


Having answered the question, What is the problem to which this technology is a solution?
it is wise to follow with the question- Whose problem is it?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Neil Postman - Building a Bridge to the 18th Century Outhouse
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Dano59:

↳ P-90 @6:33
"computers are dumb - they only do what you tell them to do"
maybe that's our only hope
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
ultradamno:

Metagroomer
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khd:

two complete unrelated articles - nothing to see here, folks
  6:50pm
Gainstager Liquid:

yikes.
  6:51pm
Gainstager Liquid:

puts food on the table lol
  6:51pm
Gainstager Liquid:

undesirable corners of the dark web putting food on the table.. not suprising.
Avatar 6:53pm
khd:

welcome to late-stage capitalism
  6:54pm
Gainstager Liquid:

set up meta first, establish law enforcement agencies virtually
Avatar 🤖 6:55pm
MarciB:

If only the gov't could regulate these out-of-conttol monsters...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Handy Haversack:

End of the show -- rushing -- ranting! For all of us. Thanks, Mark! Another necessary thing.
  6:56pm
Rekman:

Do any if these tech cos ever reach out to you? To reason with you. Etc.
  6:57pm
Listener Robert:

Anyone actually look at the content of the Facebook about incest? How would you broach serious discussion of the subject, for instance, without using the word?
  6:57pm
P-90:

I take it this wasn’t a group for incest survivors to share their experiences and trauma with each other and psych professionals ?
Avatar 🤖 6:57pm
MarciB:

Couldn't agree more with you, Mark
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Bas NL:

Thanks for keeping us alert Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

💥
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Shameful greed
  6:57pm
Layet Johnson:

Thank you Mark!!!
  6:57pm
Gainstager Liquid:

that was an excellent "Network" rant
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
chris in the redwoods:

what's the saying again? "if you're not enraged, you're not paying attention."
holy crap, Mark. thanks!
Avatar 6:57pm
khd:

he should go to hell!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
paddy in matawan:

Great show Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Neil Postman! Thank Uuu
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
bleubombersune:

Mark,

Thanks
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Uleeshuh TN:

💫
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Mark!!!
  6:58pm
Stevel:

Thank you for speaking
  6:58pm
P-90:

Take some chamomile and valerian tea and breathe deep now, Mark
  6:58pm
Dean:

Take a hike from TikTok and Tesla, too.
Avatar 6:59pm
mespr:

Thanks. All true. And I've worked in advertising
  6:59pm
yippie:

Mark, maybe you should listen a song called Technology Is Going To Set Us Free by the Fugs
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
chresti:

zuck is missing the consciousness screw that goes in his brain
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ chresti @6:59
it's stripped out and was lost a long time ago
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
ultradamno:

Screws? Those are for luddites!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Webhamster Henry:

You should always end the show with "Hey Siri tell me a joke" so listener's Siris will all go off at once.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:00pm
bleubombersune:

Dave Thanks
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