WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 19, 2023

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	6:00pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:01pm Deano de los Muertos: Hey Mark! 🤖
	🤖 6:01pm Will thee Sound Guy: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi on-liners!
	6:02pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonpples!
	6:02pm ledzeppelinsucks: This is why we are being forc fed John Mellencamp suddenly - https://www.npr.org/2023/06/16/1182457207/john-mellencamp-releases-his-25th-album-orpheus-descending
	6:02pm ledzeppelinsucks: https://www.npr.org/2023/06/16/1182457207/john-mellencamp-releases-his-25th-album-orpheus-descending
	🤖 6:03pm Deano de los Muertos: Hello TechTachyons
	6:04pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and tech heads.
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark & Friends! What fresh Hell are we in for today?
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark. Thanks, Viewmaster!
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: Vision PRO .. you've seen me mock that over on the Creative Good forum!
	6:05pm ultradamno: Don't all vr headsets kind of look like ski goggles?
	6:05pm Dano59: Apple's always been ripe for parody. www.somethingawful.com...
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ ultradamno @6:05 There are VR contact lenses #beveryafraid.
	6:06pm ledzeppelinsucks: Stay out of stores, buildings, houses, cities, suburbs, boats, airports, hospitals if you hate John Melkencamp.
	6:06pm Dano59: ↳ ledzeppelinsucks @6:02 strangely enough, Joe McGasko didn't pick up on that
	6:07pm ledzeppelinsucks: Stay out of clothes, air, skin, atmosphere if you hate John Mellencamp.
	6:09pm ledzeppelinsucks: The media Mellencamp dump for his box shit is over the top. Grocery stores are piling it on.
	6:09pm Quinn02: I don't see how people can go out in public with apple vision pro because someone can easily rob them
	🤖 6:09pm DjLorraine: I did get to look thru a viewmaster 2x
	🤖 6:09pm Folsom: Wow Ross actually said somethng intelligent. Normally he's asinine.
	6:10pm Dano59: may it crash and smash like Google Glash
	6:10pm ledzeppelinsucks: Nevermind the Apple trash, everywhere is suddenly a John Mellencamp disaster area.
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining this evening.
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: We're not talking about Mellencamp on this show. That's enough of that
	🤖 6:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Folsom @6:09 Folsom, I agree. He puts the "ass" in "asinine."
	🤖 6:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: Also, hi Mark!
	6:11pm MarciB: These headsets are to normalize wearing then till Apple introduces their "smart glasses".
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11 Hi Wendy, thanks for joining just after your show!
	🤖 6:12pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:12 It's an easy and excellent transition.
	🤖 6:13pm Wendy del Formaggio: "The little face jail." hahaha So true.
	6:13pm Sam: Like Homer wearing the glasses with eyes drawn on them so he could sleep during jury duty
	6:13pm Art: 7 years old but related... www.counterpunch.org...
	6:14pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: Good evening Mark and techies.
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: Hi Peter from Boonton
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: ↳ MarciB @6:11 Exactly right, Marci
	6:15pm Sam: I agree, Uber totally eats
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Sam @6:13 There's always a Simpsons bit!
	6:16pm ultradamno: Jury duty by VR has scary implications
	6:17pm ultradamno: ↳ ultradamno @6:16 ...would probably be a scarier Black Mirror than anything this season..
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: ↳ ultradamno @6:17 true
	6:17pm Doug in DC: I know more people getting COVID now than ever before.
	6:18pm VantuckyEd: Since apple is scanning your eyes for this doesn't that also mean they can turn around an send your unique eye print to say..um...The NSA, CIA and FBI?
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: ↳ VantuckyEd @6:18 Yep the surveillance possibilities are endless
	🤖 6:18pm cosmic matrix: it's so messed up
	6:20pm JeremyB: Mark, if you haven't seen the first episode of the new Black Mirror season, PLEASE WATCH IT TONIGHT! Joan is Awful is the tech dystopia you promised us... it was so nuts...
	6:20pm Sam: Do people really need to be convinced not to wear a stupid headset and have fake interactions? Why does any of this crap even get off the ground? Why don’t people have higher standards for what they want out of life?
	6:20pm VantuckyEd: ↳ JeremyB @6:20 I second that. The first BM episode is awesome.
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: ↳ JeremyB @6:20 Good pointer, thanks
	6:21pm JeremyB: Love the image at the top
	6:23pm ultradamno: I thought Joan Is Awful was underwhelming...they've done the AI in a virtual environment gaining sentience better before, leaving only that they poke at Netflix to the point the company let them and meta celebrity stunt casting left.
	6:24pm Rolando: When are we going to understand that the pandemic, and politics, and the upcoming economic situation as well as current tech directions, censorship et.al are all somewhat “manufactured” and prepared for us or at least “fashioned” by design. As is the desperate shortage of free time.
	6:24pm MarciB: I think Mark mentioned a while ago that Apple is out of ideas, hence "face jail"!
	6:24pm Sam: Like us on Facejail!
	6:24pm Quinn02: Its going to be good for video games and porn.
	6:25pm melinda: hi all
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: Hi Melinda!
	🤖 6:25pm cosmic matrix: lol! omg. hi melinda!
	6:25pm Sam: Hi Melinda
	6:26pm MarciB: ↳ Doug in DC @6:17 Yikes - and I don't think the pandemic is "over" as much as we are "over it"...
	6:27pm ultradamno: twitter.com...
	6:28pm ultradamno: By the way, scary piece on crypto texting scams and the white slavery rings keeping it going on Showtime's Vice yesterday
	6:29pm VantuckyEd: ↳ ultradamno @6:23 It got a laugh out of me on the satire. Usually BM is so cringy & frightening. But you're right that they've tread that ground before.
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: The way you have to interact with the Vision PRO means you have to pinch the air and mumble to your self a lot. Virtual 3D is actually a very poor user interface.
	6:31pm Rolando: Integrated AI? Maybe they should properly integrate and fix Siri before they attempt AI.
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:31 Pinch the Air is my favorite hipster folk band.
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: "My beta Google Glass Plays a Vine of Beyoncé's ass" -- line from a song I wrote that got outdated pretty fast!
	6:33pm ultradamno: In my day VR headsets were made by Viewmaster and that's how we liked it!
	6:33pm melinda: ↳ ultradamno @6:33 lol
	🤖 6:34pm herb.nyc: Oh. Mark said Ewaste. Next events for LES Ecology Center be 06/24/23 - SUNSET PARK (6TH AVENUE BTW 44TH § 45TH St). 06/25/23 - QUEENS VILLAGE (ALLEY POND) Vision Pro? Or Vision Poop?
	6:35pm mespr: I was one of those people. I transposed Zork to google glass. It was great. My dream is that more of the open source applications of these techs gain hold, with no agenda.
	6:36pm ultradamno: Teresa Nervosa has died
	6:36pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: $3500 for Vision Pro? I'm safe, I'd rather put that money to another guitar.
	6:36pm Carmichael: These should go over big with the anti-reality crowd.
	6:37pm Dano59: ↳ Carmichael @6:36 especially if they think they can 'control' their environment
	6:37pm yippie: I know it's not a hot topic like new apple stuff, but the new compost bins in NYC require QR codes and an app to open the bin and compost your junk
	6:37pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:14 Hi Mark, I listen regularly but don't often get to comment. I love your show, I tell people about it all the time!
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: ↳ yippie @6:37 Ugh, I haven't noticed that yet. That's a bummer
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: If you're interested in just the video recording camera part, there are plenty of recording glasses available now that are pretty discreet. smartglasseshub.com...
	6:38pm Sam: ↳ yippie @6:37 No way! That is nuts. Just dump your stuff on top of it.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ @6:37 Thanks, Peter, appreciate you spreading the word!
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Sam @6:38 What if people dumped all the compost on the QR code...
	🤖 6:39pm herb.nyc: ↳ yippie @6:37 Yep. I don’t like app based compost bins Hudson River park has for-the-people bins, 24hrs. I saw one at chambers st that had a swing open door. Yay
	6:39pm Sam: Nobody’s going to use these things and Apple will lose a lot of money
	6:39pm Dano59: I knew a professor who was an early Google Glass test cse to study its application in education ... I was intrigued by some features like translating text; but otherwise the very idea skeeves me out
	6:40pm Dav: A classmate of mine used to wear one of these goofy fake eye glasses in class while snoozing as a joke, guess he landed a job at Apple
	6:40pm Mark Hurst: ↳ mespr @6:35 Interesting - thanks for sharing your experience. FWIW I'm totally up for open source experiments... just aware that Big Tech tends to steamroll and/or co-opt anything that gets too popular in the opensource world.
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: The Vision PRO, FWIW, it's got huge amounts of "tech fix" features, like "the camera is stuck on your face, so for Facetime calls we make a model of your head that the camera can't see, and use that as your avatar"
	6:41pm Rolando: Last long weekend I put my phone down for 4 days and it felt wonderful, I thought my own thoughts freely, now they are in my mind and not on my phone.
	6:41pm Dean: Shouldn't we blame science fiction? A bunch of dummies dreaming about their perfect (or, conversely, their worst) future?
	6:42pm ultradamno: That thing, the need to deliver an INCREDIBLE thing by tech companies, always makes me think of the 'cities will have to be redesigned' line that came out of the initial introduction of the Segway scooter.
	6:42pm Dano59: ↳ Dean @6:41 ... all watched over by machines of loving grace
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: ↳ ultradamno @6:42 I'm doing an episode somewhat along those lines pretty soon.
	6:43pm David: Values before technology. Enough with technological thrill seeking
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1923: Hi Hi Hi
	6:44pm Richy4619: ↳ Dano59 @6:42 <3 Brautigan
	🤖 6:44pm Wendy del Formaggio: This is a fantastic interview. Thank you, Mark and Paris!
	6:44pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:44 Thx, Wendy :)
	6:45pm Sam: ↳ Dean @6:41 Yes I think you’re right
	6:46pm Dean: I can't fathom why folks would want phones, yet they're adored. They'll fall for a headset, too. People buy crap I can't imagine buying. I so hate the network effect.
	🤖 6:46pm Wendy del Formaggio: It gave me perspective on why I've been so frustrated with Apple the last few years, after being really happy with their computers for so long. Boo Tim Cook! :-(
	🤖 6:46pm Bas NL: They should branch out to selling apples.
	6:47pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:46 See also the episode on why we shouldn't trust Apple: www.wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:47pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Bas NL @6:46 <--- Or bananas!
	6:47pm VantuckyEd: Great show today. The other company who'll be enabling this tech is Adobe. They're always looking for ways to do subtle evil things to ruin the lives of creatives.
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1923: Try and stop and Television. Could U have? The tech/moving image is seductive like the Golden Calf
	6:48pm Sam: ↳ Dean @6:46 Yeah, iPhones are terrible. I hate the touchscreen interface and how the phone’s constantly trying to do things I didn’t ask for. I don’t get how you can become addicted to something so glitchy and annoying.
	🤖 6:48pm Bas NL: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:47 ;)
	6:48pm Rolando: Webhamster Henry, those glasses are enviable, and I’m also after a small pocket recorder, why? I love snagging soundbytes from podcasts and conversations, and if I’m listening on my phone I can’t film or record. Any thoughts?
	6:49pm Sam: The Google glass fiasco proved that people won’t just follow every trend. There are limits. I think this will be Apple’s Waterloo/New Coke.
	6:50pm ultradamno: ↳ Sam @6:48 They have made supermarket shopping into a series of 'is this guy talking to me, oh...his toy' moments
	6:50pm Dean: When Apple introduced, give or take, graphicual user interface--fucking pictures so that illiterates could buy shit--I knew it was likely all over. GUI is the dumbest idea ever.
	6:50pm patrick321: Have to make it unattractive for Hollywood stars and musicians to have one. Somehow.
	🤖 6:50pm Bas NL: And i still don't know what these glasses actually do...
	6:50pm Rolando: I like this chap! I’m gonna subscribe.
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1923: Try and stop the Television
	6:51pm -жеи: “Apples a very unethical company that’s great at marketing.”
	6:51pm ultradamno: ↳ patrick321 @6:50 I think if Taylor Swift dates one and then breaks up and records an album about it may be the only way
	6:52pm ultradamno: So...are people walking around with these things on? I mean it's one thing if they're playing a game in the privacy of their home.
	6:52pm -жеи: The fact that Tim Cook and no other exec will allow themselves to be photographed wearing this thing says it all
	6:52pm VantuckyEd: Just wait until someone is riding their Tesla on auto drive while wearing these goggles.
	6:52pm Dean: All companies good at marketing are (by definition?) unethical?
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Rolando @6:48 It's simple, just put cameras and mics everywhere!
	6:53pm ultradamno: "The best firms advertise the least" -MES
	🤖 6:53pm Wendy del Formaggio: It might be really easy to pick their pockets if people are so focused on their face jails. And if they could afford a face jail, they're probably loaded. Steal their credit cards and go on a spree! It'll take them a long time to figure it out because... face jail!
	6:53pm -жеи: ↳ Sam @6:49 I agree 103%
	6:53pm Sam: Wait till all those people on the subway wearing face jails start getting pickpocketed. Crime will save us.
	6:53pm Quinn02: These will be popular when they're so cheap that people can walk around without someone stealing them
	🤖 6:54pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Sam: Jinx! You owe me a Coke.
	6:54pm ultradamno: ↳ ultradamno @6:28 Facebook, by the way, are instrumental in this story.
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1923: Facebook co-opting the word Meta is a sick joke
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: I actually had, in the 80s, a binaural mic recording walkman, an since everyone was walking around with headphones back then, nobody knew I was recording. Being binaural was a lot like the Vision PRO 3d scanning camera feature! but of course way less obtrusive.
	6:55pm Carmichael: They should include superglue as an add-on. Betcha it’ll sell.
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:54 Meta-Physical The Otherside
	6:56pm Dean: I let my children do whatever the fuck they want to do. Consequently, they use Apple products, utterly contrary to my desires. I should do otherwise, experts? I disagree with SMK and Sam. Folks will eventually embrace this stupidity.
	🤖 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: It could end up like The Jerk movie. People become cross-eyed.
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1923: Ten year olds are stuck infront of a Television…
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:56 2 year olds love T.V
	6:57pm Fragonard: Gives “grooming” a new meaning
	6:57pm Carmichael: The diaper demographic
	6:57pm Rolando: Housing, Free time and access to our communities are the things I’d like fixed. Douglass Rushkoff reminds us to “Find the Others” then folks will turn their backs on social.
	6:58pm Fragonard: Go Mark!
	6:58pm listener 126464: Thank you, Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Paris!
	6:58pm P-90: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:56 Hahaha! KFHP, I'd love to see Zuckerberg walk out of his mansion with a chair, thermos, and paddle-ball.
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1923: Thanks Mark
	6:59pm Fragonard: Face Fone?
	🤖 6:59pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark, Paris, and Accu Peeps!!!
	6:59pm yippie: I used to like wearing the Versace sunglasses notorious BIG has in one video
	6:59pm Rolando: Paris ++ Mark ++
	6:59pm ultradamno: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:56 Weird synchronicity twitter.com...
	7:00pm Franco Twinkie: The MC5 did song on their 1971 album - Back in the USA called The Human Lawnmower. Visionaries - You decide!
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & Paris!
	7:00pm ultradamno: David Koresh was a big Lawnmower Man fan
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:01pm Sam: Ridiculing the face jail is hate speech!!!
	7:01pm Carmichael: Standing at attention. Prog salute!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 19, 2023

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• Meta to Lower Age for Users of Virtual Reality Headset to 10 From 13 (NYT, June 16, 2023): “The age change for the Quest headset comes as building a virtual reality-based version of the metaverse has become crucial to Meta’s future. . . . The high costs of trying to turn the metaverse into a mainstream business have spooked Wall Street, causing Meta’s stock to plunge last year. . . . Lowering the minimum age requirements for the company’s Quest headset could help familiarize younger audiences with the metaverse . . . so that they would be more likely to continue using the technology as they grow up.”

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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:00pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	6:00pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:01pm Deano de los Muertos: Hey Mark! 🤖
	🤖 6:01pm Will thee Sound Guy: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi on-liners!
	6:02pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonpples!
	6:02pm ledzeppelinsucks: This is why we are being forc fed John Mellencamp suddenly - https://www.npr.org/2023/06/16/1182457207/john-mellencamp-releases-his-25th-album-orpheus-descending
	6:02pm ledzeppelinsucks: https://www.npr.org/2023/06/16/1182457207/john-mellencamp-releases-his-25th-album-orpheus-descending
	🤖 6:03pm Deano de los Muertos: Hello TechTachyons
	6:04pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and tech heads.
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark & Friends! What fresh Hell are we in for today?
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark. Thanks, Viewmaster!
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: Vision PRO .. you've seen me mock that over on the Creative Good forum!
	6:05pm ultradamno: Don't all vr headsets kind of look like ski goggles?
	6:05pm Dano59: Apple's always been ripe for parody. www.somethingawful.com...
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ ultradamno @6:05 There are VR contact lenses #beveryafraid.
	6:06pm ledzeppelinsucks: Stay out of stores, buildings, houses, cities, suburbs, boats, airports, hospitals if you hate John Melkencamp.
	6:06pm Dano59: ↳ ledzeppelinsucks @6:02 strangely enough, Joe McGasko didn't pick up on that
	6:07pm ledzeppelinsucks: Stay out of clothes, air, skin, atmosphere if you hate John Mellencamp.
	6:09pm ledzeppelinsucks: The media Mellencamp dump for his box shit is over the top. Grocery stores are piling it on.
	6:09pm Quinn02: I don't see how people can go out in public with apple vision pro because someone can easily rob them
	🤖 6:09pm DjLorraine: I did get to look thru a viewmaster 2x
	🤖 6:09pm Folsom: Wow Ross actually said somethng intelligent. Normally he's asinine.
	6:10pm Dano59: may it crash and smash like Google Glash
	6:10pm ledzeppelinsucks: Nevermind the Apple trash, everywhere is suddenly a John Mellencamp disaster area.
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining this evening.
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: We're not talking about Mellencamp on this show. That's enough of that
	🤖 6:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Folsom @6:09 Folsom, I agree. He puts the "ass" in "asinine."
	🤖 6:11pm Wendy del Formaggio: Also, hi Mark!
	6:11pm MarciB: These headsets are to normalize wearing then till Apple introduces their "smart glasses".
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11 Hi Wendy, thanks for joining just after your show!
	🤖 6:12pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:12 It's an easy and excellent transition.
	🤖 6:13pm Wendy del Formaggio: "The little face jail." hahaha So true.
	6:13pm Sam: Like Homer wearing the glasses with eyes drawn on them so he could sleep during jury duty
	6:13pm Art: 7 years old but related... www.counterpunch.org...
	6:14pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: Good evening Mark and techies.
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: Hi Peter from Boonton
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: ↳ MarciB @6:11 Exactly right, Marci
	6:15pm Sam: I agree, Uber totally eats
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Sam @6:13 There's always a Simpsons bit!
	6:16pm ultradamno: Jury duty by VR has scary implications
	6:17pm ultradamno: ↳ ultradamno @6:16 ...would probably be a scarier Black Mirror than anything this season..
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: ↳ ultradamno @6:17 true
	6:17pm Doug in DC: I know more people getting COVID now than ever before.
	6:18pm VantuckyEd: Since apple is scanning your eyes for this doesn't that also mean they can turn around an send your unique eye print to say..um...The NSA, CIA and FBI?
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: ↳ VantuckyEd @6:18 Yep the surveillance possibilities are endless
	🤖 6:18pm cosmic matrix: it's so messed up
	6:20pm JeremyB: Mark, if you haven't seen the first episode of the new Black Mirror season, PLEASE WATCH IT TONIGHT! Joan is Awful is the tech dystopia you promised us... it was so nuts...
	6:20pm Sam: Do people really need to be convinced not to wear a stupid headset and have fake interactions? Why does any of this crap even get off the ground? Why don’t people have higher standards for what they want out of life?
	6:20pm VantuckyEd: ↳ JeremyB @6:20 I second that. The first BM episode is awesome.
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: ↳ JeremyB @6:20 Good pointer, thanks
	6:21pm JeremyB: Love the image at the top
	6:23pm ultradamno: I thought Joan Is Awful was underwhelming...they've done the AI in a virtual environment gaining sentience better before, leaving only that they poke at Netflix to the point the company let them and meta celebrity stunt casting left.
	6:24pm Rolando: When are we going to understand that the pandemic, and politics, and the upcoming economic situation as well as current tech directions, censorship et.al are all somewhat “manufactured” and prepared for us or at least “fashioned” by design. As is the desperate shortage of free time.
	6:24pm MarciB: I think Mark mentioned a while ago that Apple is out of ideas, hence "face jail"!
	6:24pm Sam: Like us on Facejail!
	6:24pm Quinn02: Its going to be good for video games and porn.
	6:25pm melinda: hi all
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: Hi Melinda!
	🤖 6:25pm cosmic matrix: lol! omg. hi melinda!
	6:25pm Sam: Hi Melinda
	6:26pm MarciB: ↳ Doug in DC @6:17 Yikes - and I don't think the pandemic is "over" as much as we are "over it"...
	6:27pm ultradamno: twitter.com...
	6:28pm ultradamno: By the way, scary piece on crypto texting scams and the white slavery rings keeping it going on Showtime's Vice yesterday
	6:29pm VantuckyEd: ↳ ultradamno @6:23 It got a laugh out of me on the satire. Usually BM is so cringy & frightening. But you're right that they've tread that ground before.
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: The way you have to interact with the Vision PRO means you have to pinch the air and mumble to your self a lot. Virtual 3D is actually a very poor user interface.
	6:31pm Rolando: Integrated AI? Maybe they should properly integrate and fix Siri before they attempt AI.
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:31 Pinch the Air is my favorite hipster folk band.
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: "My beta Google Glass Plays a Vine of Beyoncé's ass" -- line from a song I wrote that got outdated pretty fast!
	6:33pm ultradamno: In my day VR headsets were made by Viewmaster and that's how we liked it!
	6:33pm melinda: ↳ ultradamno @6:33 lol
	🤖 6:34pm herb.nyc: Oh. Mark said Ewaste. Next events for LES Ecology Center be 06/24/23 - SUNSET PARK (6TH AVENUE BTW 44TH § 45TH St). 06/25/23 - QUEENS VILLAGE (ALLEY POND) Vision Pro? Or Vision Poop?
	6:35pm mespr: I was one of those people. I transposed Zork to google glass. It was great. My dream is that more of the open source applications of these techs gain hold, with no agenda.
	6:36pm ultradamno: Teresa Nervosa has died
	6:36pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: $3500 for Vision Pro? I'm safe, I'd rather put that money to another guitar.
	6:36pm Carmichael: These should go over big with the anti-reality crowd.
	6:37pm Dano59: ↳ Carmichael @6:36 especially if they think they can 'control' their environment
	6:37pm yippie: I know it's not a hot topic like new apple stuff, but the new compost bins in NYC require QR codes and an app to open the bin and compost your junk
	6:37pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:14 Hi Mark, I listen regularly but don't often get to comment. I love your show, I tell people about it all the time!
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: ↳ yippie @6:37 Ugh, I haven't noticed that yet. That's a bummer
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: If you're interested in just the video recording camera part, there are plenty of recording glasses available now that are pretty discreet. smartglasseshub.com...
	6:38pm Sam: ↳ yippie @6:37 No way! That is nuts. Just dump your stuff on top of it.
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ @6:37 Thanks, Peter, appreciate you spreading the word!
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Sam @6:38 What if people dumped all the compost on the QR code...
	🤖 6:39pm herb.nyc: ↳ yippie @6:37 Yep. I don’t like app based compost bins Hudson River park has for-the-people bins, 24hrs. I saw one at chambers st that had a swing open door. Yay
	6:39pm Sam: Nobody’s going to use these things and Apple will lose a lot of money
	6:39pm Dano59: I knew a professor who was an early Google Glass test cse to study its application in education ... I was intrigued by some features like translating text; but otherwise the very idea skeeves me out
	6:40pm Dav: A classmate of mine used to wear one of these goofy fake eye glasses in class while snoozing as a joke, guess he landed a job at Apple
	6:40pm Mark Hurst: ↳ mespr @6:35 Interesting - thanks for sharing your experience. FWIW I'm totally up for open source experiments... just aware that Big Tech tends to steamroll and/or co-opt anything that gets too popular in the opensource world.
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: The Vision PRO, FWIW, it's got huge amounts of "tech fix" features, like "the camera is stuck on your face, so for Facetime calls we make a model of your head that the camera can't see, and use that as your avatar"
	6:41pm Rolando: Last long weekend I put my phone down for 4 days and it felt wonderful, I thought my own thoughts freely, now they are in my mind and not on my phone.
	6:41pm Dean: Shouldn't we blame science fiction? A bunch of dummies dreaming about their perfect (or, conversely, their worst) future?
	6:42pm ultradamno: That thing, the need to deliver an INCREDIBLE thing by tech companies, always makes me think of the 'cities will have to be redesigned' line that came out of the initial introduction of the Segway scooter.
	6:42pm Dano59: ↳ Dean @6:41 ... all watched over by machines of loving grace
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: ↳ ultradamno @6:42 I'm doing an episode somewhat along those lines pretty soon.
	6:43pm David: Values before technology. Enough with technological thrill seeking
	🤖 6:43pm PaulRobeson1923: Hi Hi Hi
	6:44pm Richy4619: ↳ Dano59 @6:42 <3 Brautigan
	🤖 6:44pm Wendy del Formaggio: This is a fantastic interview. Thank you, Mark and Paris!
	6:44pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:44 Thx, Wendy :)
	6:45pm Sam: ↳ Dean @6:41 Yes I think you’re right
	6:46pm Dean: I can't fathom why folks would want phones, yet they're adored. They'll fall for a headset, too. People buy crap I can't imagine buying. I so hate the network effect.
	🤖 6:46pm Wendy del Formaggio: It gave me perspective on why I've been so frustrated with Apple the last few years, after being really happy with their computers for so long. Boo Tim Cook! :-(
	🤖 6:46pm Bas NL: They should branch out to selling apples.
	6:47pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:46 See also the episode on why we shouldn't trust Apple: www.wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:47pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Bas NL @6:46 <--- Or bananas!
	6:47pm VantuckyEd: Great show today. The other company who'll be enabling this tech is Adobe. They're always looking for ways to do subtle evil things to ruin the lives of creatives.
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1923: Try and stop and Television. Could U have? The tech/moving image is seductive like the Golden Calf
	6:48pm Sam: ↳ Dean @6:46 Yeah, iPhones are terrible. I hate the touchscreen interface and how the phone’s constantly trying to do things I didn’t ask for. I don’t get how you can become addicted to something so glitchy and annoying.
	🤖 6:48pm Bas NL: ↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:47 ;)
	6:48pm Rolando: Webhamster Henry, those glasses are enviable, and I’m also after a small pocket recorder, why? I love snagging soundbytes from podcasts and conversations, and if I’m listening on my phone I can’t film or record. Any thoughts?
	6:49pm Sam: The Google glass fiasco proved that people won’t just follow every trend. There are limits. I think this will be Apple’s Waterloo/New Coke.
	6:50pm ultradamno: ↳ Sam @6:48 They have made supermarket shopping into a series of 'is this guy talking to me, oh...his toy' moments
	6:50pm Dean: When Apple introduced, give or take, graphicual user interface--fucking pictures so that illiterates could buy shit--I knew it was likely all over. GUI is the dumbest idea ever.
	6:50pm patrick321: Have to make it unattractive for Hollywood stars and musicians to have one. Somehow.
	🤖 6:50pm Bas NL: And i still don't know what these glasses actually do...
	6:50pm Rolando: I like this chap! I’m gonna subscribe.
	🤖 6:50pm PaulRobeson1923: Try and stop the Television
	6:51pm -жеи: “Apples a very unethical company that’s great at marketing.”
	6:51pm ultradamno: ↳ patrick321 @6:50 I think if Taylor Swift dates one and then breaks up and records an album about it may be the only way
	6:52pm ultradamno: So...are people walking around with these things on? I mean it's one thing if they're playing a game in the privacy of their home.
	6:52pm -жеи: The fact that Tim Cook and no other exec will allow themselves to be photographed wearing this thing says it all
	6:52pm VantuckyEd: Just wait until someone is riding their Tesla on auto drive while wearing these goggles.
	6:52pm Dean: All companies good at marketing are (by definition?) unethical?
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Rolando @6:48 It's simple, just put cameras and mics everywhere!
	6:53pm ultradamno: "The best firms advertise the least" -MES
	🤖 6:53pm Wendy del Formaggio: It might be really easy to pick their pockets if people are so focused on their face jails. And if they could afford a face jail, they're probably loaded. Steal their credit cards and go on a spree! It'll take them a long time to figure it out because... face jail!
	6:53pm -жеи: ↳ Sam @6:49 I agree 103%
	6:53pm Sam: Wait till all those people on the subway wearing face jails start getting pickpocketed. Crime will save us.
	6:53pm Quinn02: These will be popular when they're so cheap that people can walk around without someone stealing them
	🤖 6:54pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Sam: Jinx! You owe me a Coke.
	6:54pm ultradamno: ↳ ultradamno @6:28 Facebook, by the way, are instrumental in this story.
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1923: Facebook co-opting the word Meta is a sick joke
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: I actually had, in the 80s, a binaural mic recording walkman, an since everyone was walking around with headphones back then, nobody knew I was recording. Being binaural was a lot like the Vision PRO 3d scanning camera feature! but of course way less obtrusive.
	6:55pm Carmichael: They should include superglue as an add-on. Betcha it’ll sell.
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:54 Meta-Physical The Otherside
	6:56pm Dean: I let my children do whatever the fuck they want to do. Consequently, they use Apple products, utterly contrary to my desires. I should do otherwise, experts? I disagree with SMK and Sam. Folks will eventually embrace this stupidity.
	🤖 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park: It could end up like The Jerk movie. People become cross-eyed.
	🤖 6:56pm PaulRobeson1923: Ten year olds are stuck infront of a Television…
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:56 2 year olds love T.V
	6:57pm Fragonard: Gives “grooming” a new meaning
	6:57pm Carmichael: The diaper demographic
	6:57pm Rolando: Housing, Free time and access to our communities are the things I’d like fixed. Douglass Rushkoff reminds us to “Find the Others” then folks will turn their backs on social.
	6:58pm Fragonard: Go Mark!
	6:58pm listener 126464: Thank you, Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Paris!
	6:58pm P-90: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Wendy del Formaggio: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:56 Hahaha! KFHP, I'd love to see Zuckerberg walk out of his mansion with a chair, thermos, and paddle-ball.
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm PaulRobeson1923: Thanks Mark
	6:59pm Fragonard: Face Fone?
	🤖 6:59pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark, Paris, and Accu Peeps!!!
	6:59pm yippie: I used to like wearing the Versace sunglasses notorious BIG has in one video
	6:59pm Rolando: Paris ++ Mark ++
	6:59pm ultradamno: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:56 Weird synchronicity twitter.com...
	7:00pm Franco Twinkie: The MC5 did song on their 1971 album - Back in the USA called The Human Lawnmower. Visionaries - You decide!
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & Paris!
	7:00pm ultradamno: David Koresh was a big Lawnmower Man fan
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:01pm Sam: Ridiculing the face jail is hate speech!!!
	7:01pm Carmichael: Standing at attention. Prog salute!

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