WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 17, 2021

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtogs!
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Technoids. Salutations Mr Hurst.
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Good evening [EDT], Techtonic listeners.
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: Hi ho, Mark and all!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon drives! Techgin is poured. Well, Techrum. But always ready for some Techtonic ... David! ultradamno! How good to see you both!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy!
	6:02pm kevlicki: Hello all
	6:02pm Phillippe: howdy. Here for the education
	6:03pm HyperDose: The epitome of educational programming here
	6:03pm queems: hello mark & all
	6:03pm David in London: Handy, ultradamno, webhamster, James, kevlicki. Howdy all.
	6:03pm ultradamno: So there was some talk about the robot dog ep of Black Mirror recently. The new, third season of the Netflix show Love, Death + Robots just came out and the first ep of it does all that did and more in 12 minutes.
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hey DiL!
	6:04pm Phillippe: 'sup DiL?
	6:05pm kevlicki: Mark thanks for exposing me to The death of the artist, incredible book that is super pertinent to my community
	6:05pm David in London: Phillippe, how are you sir? HyperDose, hey.
	🤖 6:05pm Handy Haversack: I saw the Techtonic shirt last week while stuffing envelopes. It looks great!
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: Amazon's cloud storage and services underlie a lot of big and small businesses.
	6:07pm Marci B: Yes Webhamster Henry - that is 100% correct!
	🤖 6:07pm spacecadet: Algorithms of Oppression has a great discussion on this exact issue in an interview with a woman who runs a hair salon for black women - how she can't escape using Yelp or Facebook.
	6:07pm HyperDose: Hey David & Phillippe!
	🤖 6:08pm PaulRobeson1920: Those services have become paths of least resistance
	6:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I see it as two issues ? : 1.) What effect the Techs have on Humans - & Human Society. (& oh the Natural Environment too...) 2.) The Tech Monopolies having nefarious control over them.
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark. The heck with Frankentech!
	6:09pm Phillippe: Hey HyperDose!
	🤖 6:09pm Handy Haversack: Though also not to forget the article from one of Mark's guests: news.artnet.com..., "Why Facebook is a Waste of Time – and Money – for Arts Nonprofits," by Steve Lambert. The fear is massive that no one will find you without working those platforms, but how much time and effort go into that work? What could you do with those resources if you pulled out? Looking forward to the conversation!
	6:09pm queems: OH BOY IS THIS THE SHOW FOR ME
	6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: i.e. : ...they stole the Digital Realm from us - but should we be there @ all even if they didn't...
	6:10pm queems: i have 80,000+ photos on various hard drives
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: @spacecadet it's a great case study.. coincidentally, when I interviewed the author (Safiya Noble) we discussed that EXACT case study: www.wfmu.org...
	6:11pm G: Google and Fakebook came along at the 'right time' (the 00s) when hundreds of millions were massively adopting the WWW. Poor old Altavista and MySpace etc. just peaked too early
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: @queems nice to see you! thanks for joining!
	🤖 6:11pm Webhamster Henry: @G And .. Google +
	6:11pm Marci B: queems- that's a lot of photos! and I bet there are probably analog prints too!
	🤖 6:11pm spacecadet: @Mark Hurst, I'll have to add that show to my listen list! thanks
	🤖 6:12pm herb.nyc: I’m v sure I’ve posted this before, hut here goes: a headline in The Onion was “internet collapses under weight of baby photos”. May these 2 rip into mark hurst’s arguments!!!
	6:12pm Chop Scott: Good Evening Mark--and Marci & Chris!
	6:12pm nathan: helloooooo
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: @Marci, thanks for joining in!
	🤖 6:12pm Handy Haversack: (Also, queems, not sure if you saw this at the end of Radio Ravioli, but K8 has now endorsed this statement: queems, let's plan a beach meet-up some time. You and K8 have very similar beach philosophies! There's what we call the "hipster bus" that we have used to go to Rockaway or Tilden that is pretty cool. They rent chairs and umbrellas and even give you a beer!)
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: @spacecadet sure thing - the book is a good read, too
	6:12pm brainiac: Hi, I have a quick question for the techs: I'm using the app for the 1st time today, and I'm hearing ambient stuff instead of the Mark's show. However the readout says "Mark's intro" Is Techtonic unavailable on the FMU app?
	6:13pm Marci B: @ChopScott @Mark Hurst great to be here!
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: "Photos" is using its ML engine to catalog photos with face recognition, and I'm sure it'll get more sophisticated, just saying.
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: @brainiac that's strange - the app should play it ok. maybe try going through the website at wfmu.org and see if it plays there
	6:14pm brainiac: I'll check it out...
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: @kevlicki great to hear that you're enjoying the Bill Deresiewicz book - that was one of my favorites of 2020
	🤖 6:14pm Bas NL: Hi Mark, all!
	6:14pm ultradamno: Apple is really not a 'give the customer control' over anything kind of company
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: @ultra I got check out that show - thanks for the pointer
	🤖 6:14pm Handy Haversack: Uninstall Photos, WHH? I can't remember seeing how to do that in my de-spyware-fication when I got this W10 machine.
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: (gotta)
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: @Bas, hi! (And hi to everyone here!)
	🤖 6:15pm herb.nyc: How about digital contact sheets?
	6:15pm efd: @braniac I just opened the app and Techtonic started playing right away. Maybe check to make sure you have the right stream selected?
	🤖 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: I've turned of the Cloudy part of Photos.
	6:16pm queems: @mark hello! good to be here! @marci yes! some of them are in books, many of them are on tumblr. i don't use cloud services, so i mostly have them backed up to 3 external hard drives (redundantly) and many are still on my computer. and then my computer is backed up on a different hard drive.
	6:16pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and folks. i endorse "love death and robots" as well. some thoughtful short stories there.
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: Photos slideshow ignores the order you use when you create it, instead ordering by the EXIF date, which drove me nuts for a few hours last week.
	6:17pm queems: @handy that would be SO COOL. i have a car, so i'll go wherever. and even bring a cooler and an umbrella! shoot me an email if you want to go!
	🤖 6:17pm herb.nyc: Ha, that’s a great Bill Gates meme. My photos? They’re in disarray. But not totally.
	6:18pm HyperDose: @queems Have you ever looked into NAS or RAID systems?
	6:18pm Marci B: Hi Mark and Chop, and all who have tuned in!
	6:18pm queems: today i took a photo of a pink rock. actually multiple photos of it. and i don't delete anything because "what if i need it later"
	6:18pm Roland from Australia: Good morning All, a bit late to the party, everyone wants the other player to be in the dark and uneducated. Even the education system! Yeah photos are my weak link. Even the government wants us passive, If you make a noise the other side shut you down.
	6:18pm queems: @hyperdose hello! i have not!
	6:19pm Chris George: That last hello from Marci was really from me...
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: We don't have phones but have a digital camera that we then have to DL the photos to the computer. I would think this decreases our photo totals by an order of magnitude compared to most Murican folks these days.
	6:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: If you didn't even like having your Photo taken in the 1st place - this is a hell of a different Era !
	6:19pm Mark Hurst: @Chris welcome! Glad you and Marci are both with us.
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: I take a lot of pictures of sunsets. Lots of sunsets, but "I AM AN ARTIST".
	🤖 6:20pm tim from champaign (now washington): Is the City of Jersey City listening?
	6:20pm ultradamno: In fairness that sounds like an awesome rock.
	6:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...didn't even like taking Photos much - but they kinda got to me...
	6:20pm brainiac: Thanks for the suggestions. @Mark: Yes, I get the show when I press play on the homepage via radiorethink.com/tuner/ The app is now also playing Techtonic as well, so all is well.
	6:21pm G: Won't people get sick of too many saved photos? The pendulum always swings from one extreme to the other.
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: I explicitly mentioned Techtonic in my Jersey City letter.
	🤖 6:21pm herb.nyc: Today, I’ve taken about 50 pix, 14 retained so far.
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: @Webham thanks! I'll be reading the JC announcement after the interview.
	6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...cleary it's about Taking photos ...not ever Looking @ them again ! ...after all yer busy Taking Photos...
	6:22pm HyperDose: @queems Hey! Sounds like you're at the point where I was a few years back. Tons of data and exhausted from keeping up with multiple hard drives. These methods do the work for you, but do have their differences. I've tried both and found a RAID 1 (redundancy) configuration is best for my needs. I could also see you benefiting from a NAS system where you just swap out a drive when it goes bad. Here's a good place to start: www.enterprisestorageforum.com...
	🤖 6:22pm herb.nyc: One pic I’ve taken today is of Jesse M walking on 1st Ave. He a rocker and friend of glen jones. It’s deleted.
	6:23pm suzyhotrod: My isn't this is very educational, as this is my professional focus. Going to need to double back to catch the start. Thank you Techtonic!
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: Which of these cloud storage companies are built for NFT asset preservation?
	🤖 6:23pm Ken From Hyde Park: I hold up my phone in front of my doorbell camera and flip through my photos. The people on the other end organize the photos.
	🤖 6:23pm PaulRobeson1920: Overwhelmed by useless information. Try stopping the telegraph, or the Television... Only the educated are free- true 2,000 years ago and true today. Philosophy is the love of wisdom. This type of education endures... Pictures!!!
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: @suzy thanks! glad you're with us!
	6:23pm G: 14 saved pics/day = over 5000 a year, and over 350,000 in 70 years of life.
	🤖 6:23pm tim from champaign (now washington): I'm going to mention Techtonic in my letter to JC too.
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: @KfHP GOOD ONE
	🤖 6:24pm DjLorraine: Present
	6:24pm queems: @hyperdose thank you!! i'm going to read that at a time when i don't have alcohol in my system
	6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: tim - oh hell yes !
	6:24pm Fredericks: Van Morrison is singing Mark's song. www.youtube.com...
	🤖 6:25pm Handy Haversack: Are cloud back-up services also implicated here?
	6:25pm Robm: @Suzyhotrod this is one of those programs that i go out of my way to listen every week, i have learned a lot
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Handy - is it your Server ? Or theirs ? ...My 1st guess...
	6:27pm ed: Thanks for listing those photo storage services! Plus thanks for the insight!
	6:27pm queems: it seems that i really need to start making photo books again
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: Righto, Rev Rab. Not that I use one. Or anything. Just, you know, "don't drop the computer again!"
	6:27pm Marci: @G: that is quite an archive!
	6:28pm HyperDose: I would think it depends on who owns said cloud service. Most people I've come across swear by Carbonite. Have no opinion of them myself.
	6:28pm Fox: Any thoughts on flickr?
	6:28pm suzyhotrod: I used to use Crashplan. Is Carbonite a good alternative?
	6:29pm Marci: @HyperDose- Carbonite + BackBlaze are great!
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Kind of related - if you want to see an astounding photo project that was digitized and organized digitally, check out Some photos of that day, organized by my friend Hugh Crawford: photooftheday.hughcrawford.com
	6:29pm kevlicki: The only technology I need to view a photo book are my glasses
	6:29pm kevlicki: The only technology I need to view a photo book are my glasses
	6:29pm queems: i use tumblr as a dumping ground for my aRt PhOtOs
	6:29pm (Murakami Whywolf))): I dislike seeing anything giving even humour's credence to the Gates/vaccine conspiracism. That being said, I _will_ say that I held-out for a does with a chip that lets Linus Torvalds know everything about me.
	6:29pm chris in the redwoods: this is another one of those topics my brain wants to dismiss; then, as i keep listening, i really start thinking. point taken! i'll do my best to cull and preserve. thanks, Marci and Chris.
	6:29pm Marci: @SuzyHotRod- yes, Carbonite is great!
	6:29pm moparlarry: Any thoughts about using flash/thumb drives for photo storage?
	6:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Data Graveyards... Where'd my Stuff ...my Identity go - ?!
	6:30pm Roland from Australia: I quite like this conversation format, a very pleasant interval to the normal format.
	6:30pm Marci: @moparlarry- depends on the size storage you need. Thumb drives don't hold as much info. But they are getting bigger + faster - we like SansDisk.
	6:31pm markinbrooklyn: Any suggestions for good printing service? I could never get a decent print from my home printer...
	6:31pm Phillippe: My bride makes some amazing scrapbooks using our family photos, but it takes her so long.
	6:31pm Marci: @Markinbrooklyn: you could try Printique (Brooklyn based)
	6:31pm queems: this is very educational, jersey city please take note
	🤖 6:32pm Ken From Hyde Park: I have a shoebox in the basement filled with envelopes of 35mm negatives from the analog times.
	6:32pm HyperDose: @Marci Not aware of BackBlaze. I'll look into it, thanks!
	6:32pm ed: How many others have photo sitting in the digital graveyard of Flickr? I know it's just a matter of time before that collapses.
	🤖 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: Your word-of-mouth also runs on "influencers" , just at non-digital speeds.
	6:33pm suzyhotrod: I used to use Adorama Pix, and they turned into this: www.printique.com
	6:33pm Marci: @Ken from Hyde Park - these are great for scanning. We camera scan negs and slides for clients, which gives great results. You can also preserve them - they are the originals.
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ken FHP : Irony is - my 1st thot is - Digitize those so you don't lose them !!...
	🤖 6:34pm pollypinocle: Loving this conversation. I don't know if it's similarly evil, but I find a lot of local business recommendations through Next Door. I won't do FB, Instagram, etc.
	6:34pm Mark Hurst: I'd be careful with BackBlaze - they were recently caught (apparently) starting to share data with Facebook. I haven't looked into Carbonite in a number of years.
	6:34pm Marci: @Ed- Flickr was bought by SmugMug. So that might help save them!
	🤖 6:35pm Handy Haversack: Would be interesting (at least in theory) if photo-storage programs had a built-in delete date. Mark it "necessary" within 30 days or it goes away forever.
	6:35pm Marci: @Mark Hurst - ouch! Good to know!
	🤖 6:35pm PaulRobeson1920: - From late 1940’s book called “Fun With Your Camera” - “Is Photography an art, or isn’t it? Who cares? The few who do are but a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of thousands of all ages and both sexes who follow photography for the fun that they get out of it. And the fun that they get out of it is plenty...”
	6:35pm wendy del formaggio: Hi friends. One important consideration for small biz owners developing a marketing plan: solely advertising through social media is a major driver in the destruction of newspapers. Newspapers need ads to survive. I’ve been on both sides: I owned a shop and felt the financial pinch. And, I was a reporter who had to quit because of the stress of working for a cash-strapped newspaper. If possible, spend some money to support your local paper.
	6:35pm ed: Good to know Marci. I've downloaded my pics from Flickr quite a few times just in case.
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @Wendy great point, thanks!
	🤖 6:37pm Handy Haversack: As long as you do it in front of the doorbell, it should work, right, Ken?
	6:38pm Roland from Australia: My lad is doing more on his own website and less on social this way he creates a body of work that he can reuse, and that which is his own. You have to live in a small town for decent word of mouth,
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: A lot of local newspapers have been sucked dry by huge conglomerates that buy up local papers. It's hard to actually support them when they give back so little, and actually aren't local.
	6:38pm ヱkョ: Farcebook is evil trash but if I had that type of small biz, I would consider keeping the Fakeblurp account and just posting half-baked random bullshit on there every day to feed the monster and keep it happy. Just slap something up there. Or copy and chop up your e-mail newsletter and post sentences from that on there.
	6:38pm queems: ok but one time i lost a photo of a moldy orange peel on the sidewalk and i never recovered
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: queems
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: We had ZILLIONS of photos of my parent's camping trips to Maine. It's not a digital only problem!
	🤖 6:39pm Handy Haversack: Another tip on video: never, ever take them at concerts, you jerks! We're trying to see the stage! Whew. Sorry. I have allowed myself to become agitated.
	6:39pm queems: yes mark hurst
	6:39pm HyperDose: @Handy You can set the trash (which is really just a temp folder) to auto-delete on most phones and storage apps/services now. They usually give you a 30 day or other time options if you're lucky.
	6:39pm wendy del formaggio: WHenry: Do you know why conglomerates like Gannett et al are buying up local newspapers? Because they are struggling and the owners can’t refuse the offer.
	6:40pm Richy4619: Missing the days of self-publishing websites with links to friends/communities, pre-social media. Could this not still be an option if web publishing were made easier?
	6:40pm Marci: @HandyHaversack -yes- just enjoy the show!
	6:40pm ultradamno: Hey, it's the girl from Splice on vacation!
	🤖 6:40pm Folsom: I take pics at concerts, but later I cull them since most of them are all blurry, I can't believe people don't go through the pics and take out the bad ones
	6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: A fave : images.squarespace-cdn.com...
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: Just wait until the TikTok Portrait IMAX theatres open!
	🤖 6:40pm cosmic matrix: great programme tonight!
	🤖 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park: Zats, there goes my invention idea about vertical-oriented big screen home TVs.
	6:40pm Chris George: @Webhamster Henry so true. The analog prints should also be edited down. There will no doubt be lots of blurry photos or photos that have lost their context.
	6:41pm kevlicki: Did everyone make fun of Elon’s SNL appearance last show?
	🤖 6:41pm Webhamster Henry: @Wendy yes, it's a feedback loop.
	6:41pm Marci: @Folsom-honestly, most ppl don't cull at all. Thank you!
	6:41pm Chris George: @Ken From Hyde Park ha, exactly!!
	6:42pm kevlicki: Did any of you have a fotolog.net account?
	6:43pm ultradamno: That was a big SNL for cryptocurrency "jokes"
	6:43pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: A real Analog photographer would cull shots too after all... Btw - call me a bitter old man - but Filters seem like the dumbest damn thing I ever saw...
	🤖 6:43pm Folsom: @Marci, haven't connected my phone to the computer for a while, had to look up where photos are stored, deleting about 90% of the pics
	6:43pm Constance De Witt: Nothing like good old sketching to keep memories!
	6:43pm markinbrooklyn: Thanks, marci and chris!
	6:44pm Marci: @Constance- I loved doing that before I started the business!
	6:44pm Roland from Australia: Yeah makes me nuts when people record vertically and when the use peace and safe signs, or whatever these weird hand signals are, I feel it dates the video.
	6:44pm Chris George: @markinbrooklyn You're welcome, it was our pleasure!
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: Really great interview -- thanks, Marci and Chris! I hope this brings you enough exposure to get off the get-off-ables!
	6:44pm Mike From Brooklyn: I missed the beginning of the show but catching up on the comments. I use Carbonite for cloud backup and have been pretty happy with them so far.
	6:45pm Marci: @Handy - thank you!
	6:45pm ヱkョ: Re: small newspapers: Carnegie created all those thousands of libraries. Too bad none of today’s mega-billionaires are cool enough to be today’s Carnegie and buy up all the small papers and then turn them into nonprofit foundations owned by their own journalists or something.
	6:46pm Chris George: @Handy - Thanks!
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: The city of Jersey City has asked WFMU to prove that its programming has educational value, as a condition of keeping its tax exemption. This is a serious matter to the financial health of the station. As part of this effort, we're asking our listeners to provide letters or emails explaining how and why WFMU's programming has not just entertained them, but has also provided educational value. The educational value can be related to the history and relationship between culture or ideas, or more direct value such as information about any matters of public importance. Tell us how you have gained knowledge through the time you have spent listening to WFMU. This is a serious effort to address an important disagreement WFMU is having with the city of Jersey City. Whether you are an educator, a student or merely a student of life, please help us out with a thoughtful letter or email, and please keep them to 300 words. Letters should address the City of Jersey City, and can be emailed to helpus@wfmu.org by May 28th. Thank you for your help.
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: I sent my letter in wearing my president of an educational not-for-profit hat.
	6:46pm queems: i mentioned techtonic in my letter!
	🤖 6:46pm cosmic matrix: wow, omg. i will write a letter. those dorks.
	6:47pm Peter from Dover NJ: Mark, I've already sent an email to WFMU. But this is strictly a property tax grab. Educational value is a pretext. When the dust settles, perhaps you can address this.
	6:47pm Marci: Will be sending an email asap!
	6:47pm Brenna: Will send a letter for WFMU! <3
	🤖 6:47pm Handy Haversack: Reposting my comment from WAB: "So let's all put these thoughts in letters! If anyone hates writing and just can't stand the thought of putting together, 300 words, contact me through my profile and send me your bullet points or summary, and I'll draft a letter and send it back to you so you can submit it. Use this stupid master's degree for something worthwhile."
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: iCloud upsells you relentlessly.
	6:48pm Robm: @Peter i did too, hoping ken will elaborate more on his Wednesday show
	6:48pm Robm: @Peter i did too, hoping ken will elaborate more on his Wednesday show
	🤖 6:48pm chresti: How can they tax a non-profit?
	6:48pm HyperDose: haha cosmic. I share your enthusiasm!
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Peter - probly a very good point.
	6:48pm Roland from Australia: Such a great station, (WFMU) reached me all the way down here in Australia, I do consider it educational as well as entertaining. Where else are we gonna hear the sorts of things that we hear and learn on WFMU?
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: Well, recent iPads/iPhones now allow external storage.
	🤖 6:49pm cosmic matrix: @mark, i've always been frustrated by how hard it is to cull and delete pix on my ipad!! fo real
	6:50pm moparlarry: Can I just add a big WTF Jersey City? Challenging WFMU’s tax exempt status when the city has handed out tax abatements to developers like they’re Candy? Oh, they’re getting an email.....
	🤖 6:50pm Bas NL: Educational is now the new non-profit?
	6:50pm Robm: @Chestrj place’s like jersey city have ways to weasel money out of non profits
	🤖 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: The Kids are into Snapchat these days, where the photos disappear after viewing. I suspect they keep the photos on their servers, though.
	🤖 6:50pm herb.nyc: I’ve stopped the automatic upload to iCloud. And if my fotos ever got lost or deleted, I’ll be upset for 20’. Then I’m over it.
	6:51pm solo mon: This stuff you can’t even learn in schools!!!
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1920: From “Fun With Your Camera” 1947 - ...he wants to make pictures that are alive, vital, and brilliant both as subject matter and technique. In this respect, the amateur would do well to imitate the news photographer, whose success is measure by the vitality in his pictures. But all this photographic education, which is showered upon the amateur, whether from literature, club talks, or exhibitions, can offer little substitute for practical experience in the handling of a camera and the making of worth-while pictures. Personal experience still remains the chief method of learning! You learn photography by doing photography.
	6:51pm queems: also you can convert your shitty live photos to gifs. i hate live photos
	6:51pm McGroovey: I save all my photos and other files on my own backup drives. It would never occur to me to pay someone else to store my data. It's just my pre-fast-internet-access habits, I guess.
	6:52pm birdbird: the stole the live photos from harry potter
	6:52pm ultradamno: I use external drives, I wouldn't consider the cloud for any serious form of storage.
	6:52pm slugluv1313: greetings, Mark! Techtonics! excellent, informative interview -- as it turns out, today i have been working on consolidating/sorting/purging photos -- two old phones, desktop computer . . . not to mention trying to streamline social media -- THANK YOU! and yeah, i totally get the quandary facing small businesses, those who are self-employed, etc. -- years ago, my impression was that it was somewhat important to have some sort of presence on various social media platforms (and depending on the issue, it could help with activism/advocacy too) . . . but NOW, it is like one would have to spend way too much time managing social media -- and unless you hire someone specific to do that, you end up spending all your time and energy on social media, and no time on your own endeavors
	6:54pm wendy del formaggio: @Chresti: Non-profits that own property are not exempt from municipal property tax. Educational institutions often are, but usually only for parts of properties that are strictly for instruction. Some towns will form agreements with schools called Payments in Lieu of Taxes (PILOTS) to compensate the town for infrastructure like road wear, emergency services etc.
	6:54pm Chris George: Yes Mark, great point. Live Photos are recording audio as well.
	🤖 6:54pm herb.nyc: I take video on the lowest quality on my iPhone se. What? Live Photo does that?
	6:54pm MyAcademy: Running Lineage (without GApps) or Graphene OS on a supported Android device is a swell way to avoid Google's ecosystem and have more control over your privacy and security.
	🤖 6:54pm tim from champaign (now washington): Again, is the City of Jersey City listening?
	6:54pm HyperDose: Only peace of mind cloud storage would give me would be in case of fire, flood, or theft. The only convenience being remote access.
	6:55pm solo mon: Eewww! Live photos! Noooooo
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: Thanks Wendy!
	6:55pm Marci: @herb.nyc - yes, it's frightening. And Apple shared that info on their website!
	🤖 6:55pm Bas NL: I think there's a legal difference between photos and videos? Once it was videos were not considered proof in court? Surveillance recorders store single frame pictures instead of videos.
	🤖 6:56pm cosmic matrix: haha i have a 5s! doesn't have it apparently
	6:56pm Marci: Thanks all - we love Techtonic and WFMU!
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! And thanks again, Marci and Chris!
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: How does the city define "educational"? I wonder..
	6:57pm Chris George: Thanks so much Mark, and all who tuned in! It was a pleasure being on Techtonic!
	🤖 6:57pm cosmic matrix: very important and well-done show! thanks mark and all
	🤖 6:57pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm Constance De Witt: Thanks Mark. Marci & Chris. I've always tended to take very little photos and I am very delete-happy so have few.
	🤖 6:57pm Will the Sound Guy: I keep my photos on my nas
	6:57pm Sam: Alexa - organize my photos!
	6:57pm ヱkョ: @cosmic yes in many ways the earlier iPhones are better — esp. since they have mother-effing HEADPHONE JACKS but also no creepy “Live Photo” feature
	6:57pm Mike From Brooklyn: I've had external drives fail over the years. I was able to pull the drives out of the enclosures and get the data off of those drives in all but one case. So that, plus the value of having a backup in a different physical location is what pushed me to use cloud backup. Carbonite in my case. If a flood or fire damages my home and contents, I can still get the files back.
	🤖 6:58pm cosmic matrix: this show = educational, dammit
	6:58pm slugluv1313: thanks again, Mark!
	6:58pm wendy del formaggio: Thanks for airing my comment Mark. And thanks for another EDUCATIONAL show.
	6:58pm HyperDose: Most informative and educational show I've heard in a while. Thanks Mark, Marci, & Chris! =]
	🤖 6:58pm Handy Haversack: Here's a pro tip: Not photos. Tattoos.
	6:58pm Alexa: I organized them for you. 1.5 seconds before you even asked me to. Woooohahahahahaha!!
	6:58pm Marci: @Will the Sound Guy- we just started working with a NAS. Good idea!
	6:58pm yippie: I know a girl who pays extra money to boost advertise all her pictures on Facebook every time she's going bipolar
	6:59pm full_english_breakfast: haha i knew it would be van morrison, great show, great hearing listeners interviewed!
	6:59pm Mike From Brooklyn: Great show Mark! I've got to catch the beginning in the archives.
	6:59pm Roland from Australia: Thanks Mark, great show, love this song, it gets better every time. Why am I on Facebook?
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Haha Sam.
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: I'm taking a selfie of me and the screen right now.
	6:59pm ultradamno: Is this his song about who owns the media?
	6:59pm McGroovey: One option an organization has sometimes is to shop around for a municipality that gives a better tax deal.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Especially good conversation this evening.
	7:00pm queems: i walked away and was like is this van morrison?
	7:00pm Chris George: @Mike - I hear you. The cloud serves a purpose for sure. We're not anti-cloud we just need a safe and secure balance between cloud and nonproprietary backups.
	7:00pm moparlarry: Payments in lieu of taxes to the school system is a voluntary agreement by the municipality. They are not bound to do so, which has been the criticism of PILOTs In Jersey City’s case the school district doesn’t get anything unless the city volunteers to give it. Also the school district is in a budget crunch since it received less state aid this year. That might explain why the city is challenging FMU’s educational status. Full disclosure- I’m a journalist who has written about these issues in other municipalities.
	7:00pm Meesha: Thank you for another great show, Mark! Penning my letter to JC now.
	🤖 7:00pm Will the Sound Guy: I have all my audio and video from shows i run on 2 drives and my personal stuff on 2 others... Keep a physical copy on another drive somewhere else
	🤖 7:00pm chresti: Thanks for the fine class, Mr. Hurst!
	🤖 7:00pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Van famously an antivaxer now - & gaining much ire. Soothing to hear that great Voice here - & sad about the whole thing...
	7:01pm ultradamno: Antivax and antisemitic
	🤖 7:01pm Will the Sound Guy: Thank you Mark!
	7:02pm Mike From Brooklyn: @Chris George - I agree with you. I would never use a free service such as Google or Apple's cloud storage for lack of privacy, etc..

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 17, 2021

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• Permanent.org: "Create, curate, and collaborate on living archives for yourself, your family, and your community"

• Collectionaire: "Organize, preserve and share the best of your family's full life"

• Forever Storage: "providing you with a permanent digital home that will last for generations. It's like insurance for your photos."

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Managing photos w/Marci Brennan and Chris George, from PastPresentPix.com
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
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Van Morrison	Why Are You On Facebook	0:56:42 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtogs!
	6:01pm David in London: Evening Technoids. Salutations Mr Hurst.
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Good evening [EDT], Techtonic listeners.
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: Hi ho, Mark and all!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyon drives! Techgin is poured. Well, Techrum. But always ready for some Techtonic ... David! ultradamno! How good to see you both!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy!
	6:02pm kevlicki: Hello all
	6:02pm Phillippe: howdy. Here for the education
	6:03pm HyperDose: The epitome of educational programming here
	6:03pm queems: hello mark & all
	6:03pm David in London: Handy, ultradamno, webhamster, James, kevlicki. Howdy all.
	6:03pm ultradamno: So there was some talk about the robot dog ep of Black Mirror recently. The new, third season of the Netflix show Love, Death + Robots just came out and the first ep of it does all that did and more in 12 minutes.
	6:03pm ultradamno: Hey DiL!
	6:04pm Phillippe: 'sup DiL?
	6:05pm kevlicki: Mark thanks for exposing me to The death of the artist, incredible book that is super pertinent to my community
	6:05pm David in London: Phillippe, how are you sir? HyperDose, hey.
	🤖 6:05pm Handy Haversack: I saw the Techtonic shirt last week while stuffing envelopes. It looks great!
	🤖 6:06pm Webhamster Henry: Amazon's cloud storage and services underlie a lot of big and small businesses.
	6:07pm Marci B: Yes Webhamster Henry - that is 100% correct!
	🤖 6:07pm spacecadet: Algorithms of Oppression has a great discussion on this exact issue in an interview with a woman who runs a hair salon for black women - how she can't escape using Yelp or Facebook.
	6:07pm HyperDose: Hey David & Phillippe!
	🤖 6:08pm PaulRobeson1920: Those services have become paths of least resistance
	6:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I see it as two issues ? : 1.) What effect the Techs have on Humans - & Human Society. (& oh the Natural Environment too...) 2.) The Tech Monopolies having nefarious control over them.
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark. The heck with Frankentech!
	6:09pm Phillippe: Hey HyperDose!
	🤖 6:09pm Handy Haversack: Though also not to forget the article from one of Mark's guests: news.artnet.com..., "Why Facebook is a Waste of Time – and Money – for Arts Nonprofits," by Steve Lambert. The fear is massive that no one will find you without working those platforms, but how much time and effort go into that work? What could you do with those resources if you pulled out? Looking forward to the conversation!
	6:09pm queems: OH BOY IS THIS THE SHOW FOR ME
	6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: i.e. : ...they stole the Digital Realm from us - but should we be there @ all even if they didn't...
	6:10pm queems: i have 80,000+ photos on various hard drives
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: @spacecadet it's a great case study.. coincidentally, when I interviewed the author (Safiya Noble) we discussed that EXACT case study: www.wfmu.org...
	6:11pm G: Google and Fakebook came along at the 'right time' (the 00s) when hundreds of millions were massively adopting the WWW. Poor old Altavista and MySpace etc. just peaked too early
	6:11pm Mark Hurst: @queems nice to see you! thanks for joining!
	🤖 6:11pm Webhamster Henry: @G And .. Google +
	6:11pm Marci B: queems- that's a lot of photos! and I bet there are probably analog prints too!
	🤖 6:11pm spacecadet: @Mark Hurst, I'll have to add that show to my listen list! thanks
	🤖 6:12pm herb.nyc: I’m v sure I’ve posted this before, hut here goes: a headline in The Onion was “internet collapses under weight of baby photos”. May these 2 rip into mark hurst’s arguments!!!
	6:12pm Chop Scott: Good Evening Mark--and Marci & Chris!
	6:12pm nathan: helloooooo
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: @Marci, thanks for joining in!
	🤖 6:12pm Handy Haversack: (Also, queems, not sure if you saw this at the end of Radio Ravioli, but K8 has now endorsed this statement: queems, let's plan a beach meet-up some time. You and K8 have very similar beach philosophies! There's what we call the "hipster bus" that we have used to go to Rockaway or Tilden that is pretty cool. They rent chairs and umbrellas and even give you a beer!)
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: @spacecadet sure thing - the book is a good read, too
	6:12pm brainiac: Hi, I have a quick question for the techs: I'm using the app for the 1st time today, and I'm hearing ambient stuff instead of the Mark's show. However the readout says "Mark's intro" Is Techtonic unavailable on the FMU app?
	6:13pm Marci B: @ChopScott @Mark Hurst great to be here!
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: "Photos" is using its ML engine to catalog photos with face recognition, and I'm sure it'll get more sophisticated, just saying.
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: @brainiac that's strange - the app should play it ok. maybe try going through the website at wfmu.org and see if it plays there
	6:14pm brainiac: I'll check it out...
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: @kevlicki great to hear that you're enjoying the Bill Deresiewicz book - that was one of my favorites of 2020
	🤖 6:14pm Bas NL: Hi Mark, all!
	6:14pm ultradamno: Apple is really not a 'give the customer control' over anything kind of company
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: @ultra I got check out that show - thanks for the pointer
	🤖 6:14pm Handy Haversack: Uninstall Photos, WHH? I can't remember seeing how to do that in my de-spyware-fication when I got this W10 machine.
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: (gotta)
	6:15pm Mark Hurst: @Bas, hi! (And hi to everyone here!)
	🤖 6:15pm herb.nyc: How about digital contact sheets?
	6:15pm efd: @braniac I just opened the app and Techtonic started playing right away. Maybe check to make sure you have the right stream selected?
	🤖 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: I've turned of the Cloudy part of Photos.
	6:16pm queems: @mark hello! good to be here! @marci yes! some of them are in books, many of them are on tumblr. i don't use cloud services, so i mostly have them backed up to 3 external hard drives (redundantly) and many are still on my computer. and then my computer is backed up on a different hard drive.
	6:16pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and folks. i endorse "love death and robots" as well. some thoughtful short stories there.
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: Photos slideshow ignores the order you use when you create it, instead ordering by the EXIF date, which drove me nuts for a few hours last week.
	6:17pm queems: @handy that would be SO COOL. i have a car, so i'll go wherever. and even bring a cooler and an umbrella! shoot me an email if you want to go!
	🤖 6:17pm herb.nyc: Ha, that’s a great Bill Gates meme. My photos? They’re in disarray. But not totally.
	6:18pm HyperDose: @queems Have you ever looked into NAS or RAID systems?
	6:18pm Marci B: Hi Mark and Chop, and all who have tuned in!
	6:18pm queems: today i took a photo of a pink rock. actually multiple photos of it. and i don't delete anything because "what if i need it later"
	6:18pm Roland from Australia: Good morning All, a bit late to the party, everyone wants the other player to be in the dark and uneducated. Even the education system! Yeah photos are my weak link. Even the government wants us passive, If you make a noise the other side shut you down.
	6:18pm queems: @hyperdose hello! i have not!
	6:19pm Chris George: That last hello from Marci was really from me...
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: We don't have phones but have a digital camera that we then have to DL the photos to the computer. I would think this decreases our photo totals by an order of magnitude compared to most Murican folks these days.
	6:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: If you didn't even like having your Photo taken in the 1st place - this is a hell of a different Era !
	6:19pm Mark Hurst: @Chris welcome! Glad you and Marci are both with us.
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: I take a lot of pictures of sunsets. Lots of sunsets, but "I AM AN ARTIST".
	🤖 6:20pm tim from champaign (now washington): Is the City of Jersey City listening?
	6:20pm ultradamno: In fairness that sounds like an awesome rock.
	6:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...didn't even like taking Photos much - but they kinda got to me...
	6:20pm brainiac: Thanks for the suggestions. @Mark: Yes, I get the show when I press play on the homepage via radiorethink.com/tuner/ The app is now also playing Techtonic as well, so all is well.
	6:21pm G: Won't people get sick of too many saved photos? The pendulum always swings from one extreme to the other.
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: I explicitly mentioned Techtonic in my Jersey City letter.
	🤖 6:21pm herb.nyc: Today, I’ve taken about 50 pix, 14 retained so far.
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: @Webham thanks! I'll be reading the JC announcement after the interview.
	6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...cleary it's about Taking photos ...not ever Looking @ them again ! ...after all yer busy Taking Photos...
	6:22pm HyperDose: @queems Hey! Sounds like you're at the point where I was a few years back. Tons of data and exhausted from keeping up with multiple hard drives. These methods do the work for you, but do have their differences. I've tried both and found a RAID 1 (redundancy) configuration is best for my needs. I could also see you benefiting from a NAS system where you just swap out a drive when it goes bad. Here's a good place to start: www.enterprisestorageforum.com...
	🤖 6:22pm herb.nyc: One pic I’ve taken today is of Jesse M walking on 1st Ave. He a rocker and friend of glen jones. It’s deleted.
	6:23pm suzyhotrod: My isn't this is very educational, as this is my professional focus. Going to need to double back to catch the start. Thank you Techtonic!
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: Which of these cloud storage companies are built for NFT asset preservation?
	🤖 6:23pm Ken From Hyde Park: I hold up my phone in front of my doorbell camera and flip through my photos. The people on the other end organize the photos.
	🤖 6:23pm PaulRobeson1920: Overwhelmed by useless information. Try stopping the telegraph, or the Television... Only the educated are free- true 2,000 years ago and true today. Philosophy is the love of wisdom. This type of education endures... Pictures!!!
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: @suzy thanks! glad you're with us!
	6:23pm G: 14 saved pics/day = over 5000 a year, and over 350,000 in 70 years of life.
	🤖 6:23pm tim from champaign (now washington): I'm going to mention Techtonic in my letter to JC too.
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: @KfHP GOOD ONE
	🤖 6:24pm DjLorraine: Present
	6:24pm queems: @hyperdose thank you!! i'm going to read that at a time when i don't have alcohol in my system
	6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: tim - oh hell yes !
	6:24pm Fredericks: Van Morrison is singing Mark's song. www.youtube.com...
	🤖 6:25pm Handy Haversack: Are cloud back-up services also implicated here?
	6:25pm Robm: @Suzyhotrod this is one of those programs that i go out of my way to listen every week, i have learned a lot
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Handy - is it your Server ? Or theirs ? ...My 1st guess...
	6:27pm ed: Thanks for listing those photo storage services! Plus thanks for the insight!
	6:27pm queems: it seems that i really need to start making photo books again
	🤖 6:27pm Handy Haversack: Righto, Rev Rab. Not that I use one. Or anything. Just, you know, "don't drop the computer again!"
	6:27pm Marci: @G: that is quite an archive!
	6:28pm HyperDose: I would think it depends on who owns said cloud service. Most people I've come across swear by Carbonite. Have no opinion of them myself.
	6:28pm Fox: Any thoughts on flickr?
	6:28pm suzyhotrod: I used to use Crashplan. Is Carbonite a good alternative?
	6:29pm Marci: @HyperDose- Carbonite + BackBlaze are great!
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Kind of related - if you want to see an astounding photo project that was digitized and organized digitally, check out Some photos of that day, organized by my friend Hugh Crawford: photooftheday.hughcrawford.com
	6:29pm kevlicki: The only technology I need to view a photo book are my glasses
	6:29pm kevlicki: The only technology I need to view a photo book are my glasses
	6:29pm queems: i use tumblr as a dumping ground for my aRt PhOtOs
	6:29pm (Murakami Whywolf))): I dislike seeing anything giving even humour's credence to the Gates/vaccine conspiracism. That being said, I _will_ say that I held-out for a does with a chip that lets Linus Torvalds know everything about me.
	6:29pm chris in the redwoods: this is another one of those topics my brain wants to dismiss; then, as i keep listening, i really start thinking. point taken! i'll do my best to cull and preserve. thanks, Marci and Chris.
	6:29pm Marci: @SuzyHotRod- yes, Carbonite is great!
	6:29pm moparlarry: Any thoughts about using flash/thumb drives for photo storage?
	6:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Data Graveyards... Where'd my Stuff ...my Identity go - ?!
	6:30pm Roland from Australia: I quite like this conversation format, a very pleasant interval to the normal format.
	6:30pm Marci: @moparlarry- depends on the size storage you need. Thumb drives don't hold as much info. But they are getting bigger + faster - we like SansDisk.
	6:31pm markinbrooklyn: Any suggestions for good printing service? I could never get a decent print from my home printer...
	6:31pm Phillippe: My bride makes some amazing scrapbooks using our family photos, but it takes her so long.
	6:31pm Marci: @Markinbrooklyn: you could try Printique (Brooklyn based)
	6:31pm queems: this is very educational, jersey city please take note
	🤖 6:32pm Ken From Hyde Park: I have a shoebox in the basement filled with envelopes of 35mm negatives from the analog times.
	6:32pm HyperDose: @Marci Not aware of BackBlaze. I'll look into it, thanks!
	6:32pm ed: How many others have photo sitting in the digital graveyard of Flickr? I know it's just a matter of time before that collapses.
	🤖 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: Your word-of-mouth also runs on "influencers" , just at non-digital speeds.
	6:33pm suzyhotrod: I used to use Adorama Pix, and they turned into this: www.printique.com
	6:33pm Marci: @Ken from Hyde Park - these are great for scanning. We camera scan negs and slides for clients, which gives great results. You can also preserve them - they are the originals.
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ken FHP : Irony is - my 1st thot is - Digitize those so you don't lose them !!...
	🤖 6:34pm pollypinocle: Loving this conversation. I don't know if it's similarly evil, but I find a lot of local business recommendations through Next Door. I won't do FB, Instagram, etc.
	6:34pm Mark Hurst: I'd be careful with BackBlaze - they were recently caught (apparently) starting to share data with Facebook. I haven't looked into Carbonite in a number of years.
	6:34pm Marci: @Ed- Flickr was bought by SmugMug. So that might help save them!
	🤖 6:35pm Handy Haversack: Would be interesting (at least in theory) if photo-storage programs had a built-in delete date. Mark it "necessary" within 30 days or it goes away forever.
	6:35pm Marci: @Mark Hurst - ouch! Good to know!
	🤖 6:35pm PaulRobeson1920: - From late 1940’s book called “Fun With Your Camera” - “Is Photography an art, or isn’t it? Who cares? The few who do are but a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of thousands of all ages and both sexes who follow photography for the fun that they get out of it. And the fun that they get out of it is plenty...”
	6:35pm wendy del formaggio: Hi friends. One important consideration for small biz owners developing a marketing plan: solely advertising through social media is a major driver in the destruction of newspapers. Newspapers need ads to survive. I’ve been on both sides: I owned a shop and felt the financial pinch. And, I was a reporter who had to quit because of the stress of working for a cash-strapped newspaper. If possible, spend some money to support your local paper.
	6:35pm ed: Good to know Marci. I've downloaded my pics from Flickr quite a few times just in case.
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @Wendy great point, thanks!
	🤖 6:37pm Handy Haversack: As long as you do it in front of the doorbell, it should work, right, Ken?
	6:38pm Roland from Australia: My lad is doing more on his own website and less on social this way he creates a body of work that he can reuse, and that which is his own. You have to live in a small town for decent word of mouth,
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: A lot of local newspapers have been sucked dry by huge conglomerates that buy up local papers. It's hard to actually support them when they give back so little, and actually aren't local.
	6:38pm ヱkョ: Farcebook is evil trash but if I had that type of small biz, I would consider keeping the Fakeblurp account and just posting half-baked random bullshit on there every day to feed the monster and keep it happy. Just slap something up there. Or copy and chop up your e-mail newsletter and post sentences from that on there.
	6:38pm queems: ok but one time i lost a photo of a moldy orange peel on the sidewalk and i never recovered
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: queems
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: We had ZILLIONS of photos of my parent's camping trips to Maine. It's not a digital only problem!
	🤖 6:39pm Handy Haversack: Another tip on video: never, ever take them at concerts, you jerks! We're trying to see the stage! Whew. Sorry. I have allowed myself to become agitated.
	6:39pm queems: yes mark hurst
	6:39pm HyperDose: @Handy You can set the trash (which is really just a temp folder) to auto-delete on most phones and storage apps/services now. They usually give you a 30 day or other time options if you're lucky.
	6:39pm wendy del formaggio: WHenry: Do you know why conglomerates like Gannett et al are buying up local newspapers? Because they are struggling and the owners can’t refuse the offer.
	6:40pm Richy4619: Missing the days of self-publishing websites with links to friends/communities, pre-social media. Could this not still be an option if web publishing were made easier?
	6:40pm Marci: @HandyHaversack -yes- just enjoy the show!
	6:40pm ultradamno: Hey, it's the girl from Splice on vacation!
	🤖 6:40pm Folsom: I take pics at concerts, but later I cull them since most of them are all blurry, I can't believe people don't go through the pics and take out the bad ones
	6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: A fave : images.squarespace-cdn.com...
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: Just wait until the TikTok Portrait IMAX theatres open!
	🤖 6:40pm cosmic matrix: great programme tonight!
	🤖 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park: Zats, there goes my invention idea about vertical-oriented big screen home TVs.
	6:40pm Chris George: @Webhamster Henry so true. The analog prints should also be edited down. There will no doubt be lots of blurry photos or photos that have lost their context.
	6:41pm kevlicki: Did everyone make fun of Elon’s SNL appearance last show?
	🤖 6:41pm Webhamster Henry: @Wendy yes, it's a feedback loop.
	6:41pm Marci: @Folsom-honestly, most ppl don't cull at all. Thank you!
	6:41pm Chris George: @Ken From Hyde Park ha, exactly!!
	6:42pm kevlicki: Did any of you have a fotolog.net account?
	6:43pm ultradamno: That was a big SNL for cryptocurrency "jokes"
	6:43pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: A real Analog photographer would cull shots too after all... Btw - call me a bitter old man - but Filters seem like the dumbest damn thing I ever saw...
	🤖 6:43pm Folsom: @Marci, haven't connected my phone to the computer for a while, had to look up where photos are stored, deleting about 90% of the pics
	6:43pm Constance De Witt: Nothing like good old sketching to keep memories!
	6:43pm markinbrooklyn: Thanks, marci and chris!
	6:44pm Marci: @Constance- I loved doing that before I started the business!
	6:44pm Roland from Australia: Yeah makes me nuts when people record vertically and when the use peace and safe signs, or whatever these weird hand signals are, I feel it dates the video.
	6:44pm Chris George: @markinbrooklyn You're welcome, it was our pleasure!
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: Really great interview -- thanks, Marci and Chris! I hope this brings you enough exposure to get off the get-off-ables!
	6:44pm Mike From Brooklyn: I missed the beginning of the show but catching up on the comments. I use Carbonite for cloud backup and have been pretty happy with them so far.
	6:45pm Marci: @Handy - thank you!
	6:45pm ヱkョ: Re: small newspapers: Carnegie created all those thousands of libraries. Too bad none of today’s mega-billionaires are cool enough to be today’s Carnegie and buy up all the small papers and then turn them into nonprofit foundations owned by their own journalists or something.
	6:46pm Chris George: @Handy - Thanks!
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: The city of Jersey City has asked WFMU to prove that its programming has educational value, as a condition of keeping its tax exemption. This is a serious matter to the financial health of the station. As part of this effort, we're asking our listeners to provide letters or emails explaining how and why WFMU's programming has not just entertained them, but has also provided educational value. The educational value can be related to the history and relationship between culture or ideas, or more direct value such as information about any matters of public importance. Tell us how you have gained knowledge through the time you have spent listening to WFMU. This is a serious effort to address an important disagreement WFMU is having with the city of Jersey City. Whether you are an educator, a student or merely a student of life, please help us out with a thoughtful letter or email, and please keep them to 300 words. Letters should address the City of Jersey City, and can be emailed to helpus@wfmu.org by May 28th. Thank you for your help.
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: I sent my letter in wearing my president of an educational not-for-profit hat.
	6:46pm queems: i mentioned techtonic in my letter!
	🤖 6:46pm cosmic matrix: wow, omg. i will write a letter. those dorks.
	6:47pm Peter from Dover NJ: Mark, I've already sent an email to WFMU. But this is strictly a property tax grab. Educational value is a pretext. When the dust settles, perhaps you can address this.
	6:47pm Marci: Will be sending an email asap!
	6:47pm Brenna: Will send a letter for WFMU! <3
	🤖 6:47pm Handy Haversack: Reposting my comment from WAB: "So let's all put these thoughts in letters! If anyone hates writing and just can't stand the thought of putting together, 300 words, contact me through my profile and send me your bullet points or summary, and I'll draft a letter and send it back to you so you can submit it. Use this stupid master's degree for something worthwhile."
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: iCloud upsells you relentlessly.
	6:48pm Robm: @Peter i did too, hoping ken will elaborate more on his Wednesday show
	6:48pm Robm: @Peter i did too, hoping ken will elaborate more on his Wednesday show
	🤖 6:48pm chresti: How can they tax a non-profit?
	6:48pm HyperDose: haha cosmic. I share your enthusiasm!
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Peter - probly a very good point.
	6:48pm Roland from Australia: Such a great station, (WFMU) reached me all the way down here in Australia, I do consider it educational as well as entertaining. Where else are we gonna hear the sorts of things that we hear and learn on WFMU?
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: Well, recent iPads/iPhones now allow external storage.
	🤖 6:49pm cosmic matrix: @mark, i've always been frustrated by how hard it is to cull and delete pix on my ipad!! fo real
	6:50pm moparlarry: Can I just add a big WTF Jersey City? Challenging WFMU’s tax exempt status when the city has handed out tax abatements to developers like they’re Candy? Oh, they’re getting an email.....
	🤖 6:50pm Bas NL: Educational is now the new non-profit?
	6:50pm Robm: @Chestrj place’s like jersey city have ways to weasel money out of non profits
	🤖 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: The Kids are into Snapchat these days, where the photos disappear after viewing. I suspect they keep the photos on their servers, though.
	🤖 6:50pm herb.nyc: I’ve stopped the automatic upload to iCloud. And if my fotos ever got lost or deleted, I’ll be upset for 20’. Then I’m over it.
	6:51pm solo mon: This stuff you can’t even learn in schools!!!
	🤖 6:51pm PaulRobeson1920: From “Fun With Your Camera” 1947 - ...he wants to make pictures that are alive, vital, and brilliant both as subject matter and technique. In this respect, the amateur would do well to imitate the news photographer, whose success is measure by the vitality in his pictures. But all this photographic education, which is showered upon the amateur, whether from literature, club talks, or exhibitions, can offer little substitute for practical experience in the handling of a camera and the making of worth-while pictures. Personal experience still remains the chief method of learning! You learn photography by doing photography.
	6:51pm queems: also you can convert your shitty live photos to gifs. i hate live photos
	6:51pm McGroovey: I save all my photos and other files on my own backup drives. It would never occur to me to pay someone else to store my data. It's just my pre-fast-internet-access habits, I guess.
	6:52pm birdbird: the stole the live photos from harry potter
	6:52pm ultradamno: I use external drives, I wouldn't consider the cloud for any serious form of storage.
	6:52pm slugluv1313: greetings, Mark! Techtonics! excellent, informative interview -- as it turns out, today i have been working on consolidating/sorting/purging photos -- two old phones, desktop computer . . . not to mention trying to streamline social media -- THANK YOU! and yeah, i totally get the quandary facing small businesses, those who are self-employed, etc. -- years ago, my impression was that it was somewhat important to have some sort of presence on various social media platforms (and depending on the issue, it could help with activism/advocacy too) . . . but NOW, it is like one would have to spend way too much time managing social media -- and unless you hire someone specific to do that, you end up spending all your time and energy on social media, and no time on your own endeavors
	6:54pm wendy del formaggio: @Chresti: Non-profits that own property are not exempt from municipal property tax. Educational institutions often are, but usually only for parts of properties that are strictly for instruction. Some towns will form agreements with schools called Payments in Lieu of Taxes (PILOTS) to compensate the town for infrastructure like road wear, emergency services etc.
	6:54pm Chris George: Yes Mark, great point. Live Photos are recording audio as well.
	🤖 6:54pm herb.nyc: I take video on the lowest quality on my iPhone se. What? Live Photo does that?
	6:54pm MyAcademy: Running Lineage (without GApps) or Graphene OS on a supported Android device is a swell way to avoid Google's ecosystem and have more control over your privacy and security.
	🤖 6:54pm tim from champaign (now washington): Again, is the City of Jersey City listening?
	6:54pm HyperDose: Only peace of mind cloud storage would give me would be in case of fire, flood, or theft. The only convenience being remote access.
	6:55pm solo mon: Eewww! Live photos! Noooooo
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: Thanks Wendy!
	6:55pm Marci: @herb.nyc - yes, it's frightening. And Apple shared that info on their website!
	🤖 6:55pm Bas NL: I think there's a legal difference between photos and videos? Once it was videos were not considered proof in court? Surveillance recorders store single frame pictures instead of videos.
	🤖 6:56pm cosmic matrix: haha i have a 5s! doesn't have it apparently
	6:56pm Marci: Thanks all - we love Techtonic and WFMU!
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! And thanks again, Marci and Chris!
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: How does the city define "educational"? I wonder..
	6:57pm Chris George: Thanks so much Mark, and all who tuned in! It was a pleasure being on Techtonic!
	🤖 6:57pm cosmic matrix: very important and well-done show! thanks mark and all
	🤖 6:57pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm Constance De Witt: Thanks Mark. Marci & Chris. I've always tended to take very little photos and I am very delete-happy so have few.
	🤖 6:57pm Will the Sound Guy: I keep my photos on my nas
	6:57pm Sam: Alexa - organize my photos!
	6:57pm ヱkョ: @cosmic yes in many ways the earlier iPhones are better — esp. since they have mother-effing HEADPHONE JACKS but also no creepy “Live Photo” feature
	6:57pm Mike From Brooklyn: I've had external drives fail over the years. I was able to pull the drives out of the enclosures and get the data off of those drives in all but one case. So that, plus the value of having a backup in a different physical location is what pushed me to use cloud backup. Carbonite in my case. If a flood or fire damages my home and contents, I can still get the files back.
	🤖 6:58pm cosmic matrix: this show = educational, dammit
	6:58pm slugluv1313: thanks again, Mark!
	6:58pm wendy del formaggio: Thanks for airing my comment Mark. And thanks for another EDUCATIONAL show.
	6:58pm HyperDose: Most informative and educational show I've heard in a while. Thanks Mark, Marci, & Chris! =]
	🤖 6:58pm Handy Haversack: Here's a pro tip: Not photos. Tattoos.
	6:58pm Alexa: I organized them for you. 1.5 seconds before you even asked me to. Woooohahahahahaha!!
	6:58pm Marci: @Will the Sound Guy- we just started working with a NAS. Good idea!
	6:58pm yippie: I know a girl who pays extra money to boost advertise all her pictures on Facebook every time she's going bipolar
	6:59pm full_english_breakfast: haha i knew it would be van morrison, great show, great hearing listeners interviewed!
	6:59pm Mike From Brooklyn: Great show Mark! I've got to catch the beginning in the archives.
	6:59pm Roland from Australia: Thanks Mark, great show, love this song, it gets better every time. Why am I on Facebook?
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Haha Sam.
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: I'm taking a selfie of me and the screen right now.
	6:59pm ultradamno: Is this his song about who owns the media?
	6:59pm McGroovey: One option an organization has sometimes is to shop around for a municipality that gives a better tax deal.
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Especially good conversation this evening.
	7:00pm queems: i walked away and was like is this van morrison?
	7:00pm Chris George: @Mike - I hear you. The cloud serves a purpose for sure. We're not anti-cloud we just need a safe and secure balance between cloud and nonproprietary backups.
	7:00pm moparlarry: Payments in lieu of taxes to the school system is a voluntary agreement by the municipality. They are not bound to do so, which has been the criticism of PILOTs In Jersey City’s case the school district doesn’t get anything unless the city volunteers to give it. Also the school district is in a budget crunch since it received less state aid this year. That might explain why the city is challenging FMU’s educational status. Full disclosure- I’m a journalist who has written about these issues in other municipalities.
	7:00pm Meesha: Thank you for another great show, Mark! Penning my letter to JC now.
	🤖 7:00pm Will the Sound Guy: I have all my audio and video from shows i run on 2 drives and my personal stuff on 2 others... Keep a physical copy on another drive somewhere else
	🤖 7:00pm chresti: Thanks for the fine class, Mr. Hurst!
	🤖 7:00pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Van famously an antivaxer now - & gaining much ire. Soothing to hear that great Voice here - & sad about the whole thing...
	7:01pm ultradamno: Antivax and antisemitic
	🤖 7:01pm Will the Sound Guy: Thank you Mark!
	7:02pm Mike From Brooklyn: @Chris George - I agree with you. I would never use a free service such as Google or Apple's cloud storage for lack of privacy, etc..

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