WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 22, 2018

Listener comments!
	6:01pm melinda: Hi guys
	6:01pm Linda Lee: good evening Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark & Scott!
	6:02pm geezerette: Howdy!
	6:03pm Linda Lee: super important subject tonight.
	6:03pm geezerette: Great piece of public art!
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: Ongoing question: what if we call Techtonic listeners "chthonics"?
	6:05pm geezerette: Melinda, was your name for listeners,"Techtones"?
	🤖 ♥ 6:05pm Phil with the phone: How the hell do you pronounce that?
	6:05pm Linda Lee: personally i just don't. no upper teeth at all.
	6:05pm Andrew S: Saturated by kids too
	🤖 ♥ 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark, Scott and Techticians!
	6:07pm Dean: Listeners should be dubbed "Drifters." Get it? Tectonics?
	♥ 6:08pm queems: is idle refreshing "time well spent"
	6:08pm Andrew S: It's a hallow resolution
	♥ 6:08pm βrian: Is this a good place to mention that I just bought a brand new top-of-the-line MacBook Pro with the most-recent peripherals (directly from Apple) ... and that the cables provided didn't allow for connections to the laptop?
	6:09pm Linda Lee: please! 'meaningful social interaction' does not go with facebook.
	6:09pm Andrew S: bang
	♥ 6:10pm queems: i don't miss facebook at all
	6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zuckerbird has always wanted fb to 'Personal' - not a platform for people to repost Public stuff. That was the original model. This is like WalMart using the tax break (which will gut social funds) as an excuse to raise wages they had to raise anyroad...
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm chris: hi, Mark and Scott and folks. time for another refreshing skeptonic.
	6:10pm Linda Lee: haha. ever hear a dealer tell an addict, 'you gotta quit this stuff'? they do it all the time. then the relationship continues.
	🤖 ♥ 6:11pm Ken From Hyde Park: What was the other Facebook update announced the other day? People rate how fake the news entries are? Covert Russian operatives will give top ratings to their fake stuff and it'll be the same crock it is now.
	6:11pm geezerette: ooh, Chris, good one!
	6:11pm Andrew S: I kinda do miss it sometimes but not enough to participate again
	6:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes LindaLee. He cares about me.
	♥ 6:12pm northguineahills: @Dean: Geological puns are the best puns.
	♥ 6:12pm βrian: Any social network mediated by a corporation will only serve the interests of the corporation; never the users.
	6:13pm Linda Lee: & that goes double for governments!
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm chris: here's an abacus, now go do your homework
	6:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& what they're saying is the effect will be that reputable News will go down the algorithm - after fb helped destroy Journalism commercially...
	6:14pm Linda Lee: that reminds me of a youtube video: a couple of pre-teens given a cassette tape. kept looking for the bud port.
	♥ 6:14pm coelacanth∅: (just as dentists wont touch that poison they stuff into your teeth)
	♥ 6:15pm βrian: @chris: That kid will learn how to think about problem-solving, at least.
	♥ 6:15pm queems: i'm a dedicated instagram user and i know i should quit that too but it's hard
	6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...the Tools change...but the Apes - not so much...
	♥ 6:16pm Tommy in Neversink: I wish Facebook would filter out the fake news and let us worry about meaningful social contact
	6:17pm Linda Lee: what's critical is awareness of the actual purpose of the technology. without awareness of what you're using, your use is different than if you know.
	6:17pm Dean: Anybody working closely with technology during the '80s, '90s, could smell the BS. Total hype, disconnected from concrete reality, held aloft only by malarkey about democracy and individuality.
	♥ 6:17pm northguineahills: I use FB maybe once or twice a month. It has gotten me in touch w/ music and art events in the town I moved to, so, it has facilitated positive change in my life. But it's just a tool, you get out of it what you use it for.
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm chris: if i were given an abacus, i'd need youtube to figure out how to use it, to your point LL.
	♥ 6:18pm queems: i kind of want to go to this meet up movie
	♥ 6:18pm northguineahills: once or twice a week... (my brain's on blink).
	6:18pm Linda Lee: unfortunately, i sitll get enough from fb to keep using it. important communication & group activism. damn it.
	6:18pm melinda: @geeze it was Techtons.
	6:19pm Linda Lee: @chris ~ unless you were actually with someone who could teach you!
	♥ 6:19pm queems: i'm putting this on my calendar
	♥ 6:19pm coelacanth∅: the fake news is another decoy. (like the "government shutdown", the "bomb cyclone", the sexual harassment witch hunt,etc.)
	🤖 ♥ 6:19pm Ken From Hyde Park: The Road Movie ... where do I sign up?
	6:19pm Andrew S: My only real regret about not being on social media, I have a few smaller ones, sure I liked to see peoples kids and cats. But I cant comment or even read comments on news articles anymore. It's like get on facebook or stfu so I stfu
	6:19pm geezerette: Melinda, it's a good one.
	🤖 ♥ 6:20pm chris: true, true, Linda Lee!
	6:20pm melinda: Linda I get a lot from FB too, met some great people in private groups.
	6:21pm melinda: Thanks G!
	6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's increased Social Interaction - w/out Bodies...the 1st thing Zuckerbird asks is your whole Timeline history - & your RealName. Bang - a dozen people I knew from living on the WestCoast were on my desktop...everybody fro everywhere...When joining fb - I felt I was nekkid in the middle of a new TownSquare...or - @ least where everyone could see me...it's an adjustment. & it's considerable....Yes, you can Block people - which I love to do (haha) - but you're still there...Then there's the 'which movie star do you resemble' bollocks...
	♥ 6:22pm Tommy in Neversink: Some news sites are based on reality and some aren't. Irresponsible journalism is what got us in the mess we're in
	6:22pm Andrew S: this guy again
	🤖 ♥ 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: Social Media ! I was on the Well, ECHO (I still am), lots of BBSes, most swept under by the tsunami of internet connectivity.
	🤖 ♥ 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: $10 for the movie sounds good, but I suspect there's a catch: You have to bring your own chair (office chair with wheels) and leave it after the show.
	6:22pm Andrew S: ;)
	6:22pm Linda Lee: i'm actually able to order the medicine that keeps me upright & functional on fb, & speak to my vendor. this is sort of important. i'm also involved with at least half a dozen groups looking to keep it legal for all, via fb. & assisting others with its use.
	6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I'm so glad I Grew Up before everyone had cameras to put everything online forever...it's bad enuff now!...
	6:23pm Linda Lee: i'm on FB helping others with their questions for at least an hour daily. that's where they are, so that's where i am. sadly.
	🤖 ♥ 6:23pm Phil with the phone: Check that IMDB link below, I'm more excited than I should be for this movie. www.imdb.com... We should have enough chairs for most of you. Chair donations are always welcome.
	6:23pm melinda: Ken that's funny.
	♥ 6:24pm Tommy in Neversink: Oh come on, You don't have to bring a chair...desks and file cabinets are also acceptable
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: We always jabbered about technology that would link everyone's nervous systems - we just didn't expect to live to see it & have to deal w/ the true implications...
	🤖 ♥ 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: I just got a phone for my daughter so she can have something to use in college in the fall. She didn't want a non-smart phone, though, because she's used to iOs devices.
	♥ 6:27pm northguineahills: I just picked up an iPhone 7 since my iPhone 5 I had for 5 years finally died.
	6:28pm Kurt: I would never recommend giving unfettered access to a smartphone. It's very difficult for a non tech person to limit access to 'undesirable' content.
	6:28pm Andrew S: helping people is nothing to be sad about. Lets face it, it's ubiquitous. You can still do good things in a bad environment
	6:28pm Dean: Now, see, a teacher at my junior high school used to show 35mm ski movies in reverse, including the apres-ski fondue into which people would deposit the morsels they extract from their mouths.
	6:29pm Dean: Rather, 16mm
	♥ 6:29pm Michael 98145: pre-FB BBSs were fun. never took the FB bait. oh, and this flip-phone works just fine.
	♥ 6:29pm βrian: I love the smartphone for the fact that I can easily get the diacritics and grammar right when sending texts. Otherwise, I feel like a slouch.
	6:29pm Kurt: Much of the online gaming now has a gambling component too.
	6:29pm Linda Lee: @Andew S ~ indeed!
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Non smart phones are now called "Feature Phones" , and there should be one that is really good at telephony and texting, but is also a wiFi hotspot. Most of the time, it would have pretty good battery life!
	6:30pm Linda Lee: have any of these phones ever been actually proven safe for use near the head? i don't think so.
	6:31pm Andrew S: theyve never been proven unsafe. Its hard to prove something is safe
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: "Food comes first" is shouted out when a phone appears at the table.
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm Ken From Hyde Park: The Screenagers movie I mentioned once has a newsletter, "Tech Talk Tuesdays," that emails a different subject each week. www.screenagersmovie.com...
	♥ 6:31pm coelacanth∅: i have a pocket computer ("smart phone") but no smart phone plan. (tracphone only has pocket computers, even though they sell regular phone plans.) i fucking hate the touch screen bullshit.
	6:32pm melinda: @Brian clumsy texting on my flip phone is one of the things that will soon drive me to the smartphone.
	6:32pm Dean: Berkeley passed an ordinance that has so far survived judicial scrutiny. It requires retailers to give notice of possible radiation effects of devices.
	🤖 ♥ 6:32pm Phil with the phone: Call in at 201-209-9368! Use your dad's phone if necessary!
	6:32pm Linda Lee: right .. we're in a world of guinea pigs, basically.
	♥ 6:32pm dale: i just got rid of my 10 year old dumb phone. i got a NEW dumb phone because the screen and keypad was bigger - my eyes are not what they used to be.
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Coding for those constraints was lots of fun!
	6:33pm Dean: There was an internet at the time. There was virtually no public access to the 'net, and there was no web.
	♥ 6:33pm βrian: Ted Kennedy was one such guinea pig, I guess.
	6:33pm Linda Lee: the proof of danger occurs as we sicken & die. think of cigarettes. & even with proof, our deaths are basically immaterial. this is what we contribute to every day of the week. this paradigm.
	6:34pm Linda Lee: lovely.
	♥ 6:34pm coelacanth∅: well, they have to be unsafe. an understanding of how the body works with an understanding of the way a cell phone (any cell phone) works makes this obvious.
	6:34pm Andrew S: cigarettes we know are unsafe. Microwaves there is a case but its still theory
	6:34pm Linda Lee: yes of course he was. an 'early adopter'. the brave guinea pigs go first.
	6:35pm Linda Lee: at one time we didn't know cigs were unsafe. we really didn't. this is where we are re cell tech.
	🤖 ♥ 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: The massive processing power of the iPhone X: purposefully used to make talking poop emoji.
	🤖 ♥ 6:36pm Ken From Hyde Park: That sounds like the South Park episode "Freemium Isn't Free" with the phone games.
	6:36pm Linda Lee: 'we' meaning the general public .. the great unwashed. the consumer.
	6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...like the labrats who press the lever hooked to their brain rather than eat - & die...
	♥ 6:36pm βrian: You could say Ted Kennedy's brain was "re-wired."
	6:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...ALWAYS now the fast buck - over EVERYTHING & ANYTHING...
	6:37pm TehBadDr: The Old Arcade game Bezerk was a great game, but insidious. It used to say"detect coin in user's pocket"!
	♥ 6:37pm coelacanth∅: f cigarettes were a new invention, with what we know now about how the body works, they'd never get off the ground. they'd be declared unsafe before ever being marketed.
	6:37pm Linda Lee: so now we know everything & they're still with us.
	6:38pm Andrew S: we dont know lettuce is unsafe either. Im not saying holding your phone to your ear is safe but there is nothing that has proven it isnt.
	🤖 ♥ 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: in re: Smoking risk: here's a comedy routine from 1959 by Bill Dana (RIP) in period ad-speak about how they were to spin the fact that cigarettes will kill you. 1959. www.echonyc.com...
	6:38pm Linda Lee: on a certain level our knowledge is irrelevant. on that same level human life is irrelevant too.
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thing is: They KNEW tobacco was addictive & cancerous - but they created an Industry to DENY it. DENIALISM.
	6:39pm Linda Lee: we basically don't love ourselves sufficiently, as a species. a real fatal flaw.
	♥ 6:39pm coelacanth∅: ..like the milk scam.
	♥ 6:39pm northguineahills: @Linda Lee: I don't think I've used a phone near my head since my my old dumb phone had an 'intercom' option 14 years ago, Now, having my phone in the proximity of my groin (front pants pocket), that could be a potential issue.
	6:39pm Linda Lee: ho! yikes!
	🤖 ♥ 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park: This is just begging for the invention of the lead phone case.
	6:41pm Derek in Atlantic City: My 13 yr old daughter is a JUNKIE w her phone.
	6:41pm Linda Lee: does it have to be lead? if someone can make it cool to protect your brain .. wow
	♥ 6:42pm Michael 98145: iCod Piece
	♥ 6:42pm northguineahills: @Michael 98145: We have a winner!
	6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Less Rebellious. Got that? No Rawk'n'Roll : iPhones.... Lead - heavy & soft - all wrong :) ...
	♥ 6:42pm βrian: @NGH: Discount vasectomy, yo.
	♥ 6:42pm coelacanth∅: i hold my phone right against my face, so i can hear it; but i'm only on the phone for maybe 15 minutes/week. my downfall may end up being having my face too close to the computer screen. man i feel that after an hour or 2.
	6:43pm Derek in Atlantic City: Absolute addiction and personality changes apparent when she has excessive time on it.
	6:43pm Linda Lee: i'm horrified that we'll wind up losing an entire generation prematurely with horrendous cancers. what a fucking nightmare.
	6:43pm Dean: The Berkeley ordinance implicated a suppressed CA Dep't Public Health brochure that intimates certain risks. The Dep't unsuccessfully argued that the brochure was merely a draft, based on uncertain science. The group filing a FOIA request to release it argued, to the contrary, that it was in final form, but that the cell phone industry wanted it suppressed. The brochure: https://www.law.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/CDPH-cell-phone-document-April-2014.pdf
	♥ 6:43pm Krys O.: I suggest Greg Toppo's book, the Game Believes in You for a different viewpoint about gaming and education.
	6:43pm JakeGould: All of the first gen video games just sped up as levels got higher. Just more and more stressful.
	♥ 6:44pm βrian: Is it "less happiness" or fewer "happiness?"
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...than again - always wonder if these naysayers are like the honky bourgeois ladies who crapped on Comics & RawkaRolla...
	🤖 ♥ 6:44pm Ken From Hyde Park: That tagline would make a good screensaver.
	6:44pm Andrew S: The radio show is much more interesting, the psychological impact. I think the "cancer danger" is much smaller in scope
	♥ 6:44pm βrian: This little taser says "I'm thinking you're not so bored."
	6:44pm TehBadDr: iGenerally can't put down any sort of interweb connected device. If my parents take away my phone, I grab Aelexa and take her to my room.
	6:44pm rw: I'm a big fan of boredom. Not enough of it these days.
	6:44pm Linda Lee: why are adults so afraid to take control of their kids' lives!
	6:45pm Jul: I gotta say that maybe som of the Gen X-ers may have invented some of this technology. ...
	♥ 6:45pm mrdonutsu: Just to play devil's advocate, wouldn't a pre-literate hunter gatherer say almost everything you're saying about phones/technology about books and/or reading as well?
	♥ 6:45pm βrian: (I kid, I kid ...)
	♥ 6:45pm northguineahills: By the time I was 13, I actually embraced what my parents drilled into me, (if you're bored, you're not very smart).
	6:45pm JakeGould: Playing video games in the 1980s kinda saved my life. Made me social in an anti-social way and such… But by the time I was in college, I don’t really care too much about games anymore. But nowadays I know people who are in their 20s and 30s who are still into videotapes despite having a real life option and I find that bizarre.
	6:45pm Linda Lee: boredom means imagination. imagination is good for the brain.
	6:46pm Fredericks: I need to interact with a screen to listen to this show and to make this comment.
	♥ 6:46pm mrdonutsu: www.newyorker.com...
	6:46pm JakeGould: “…who are still into video games…”
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @mrdonutsu: Or of Snivelisation itself? So much for Terence McKenna's Archaic Revival - bringing us back into our Bodies after Print Culture...
	6:46pm TehBadDr: Love the "Metal Blockheads" pic!
	♥ 6:47pm northguineahills: I'm never bored, or, I enjoy being 'bored', so....
	♥ 6:47pm βrian: I check FB compulsively, at least 4 or 5 times a year.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: But now you can get the Amazon Echo Show ... an Alexa with a screen.
	6:47pm JakeGould: That said I still have one very strong video game muscle: I have very, very good at “Mr. Do!”
	6:47pm Linda Lee: a facebook vision of reality? like staring into a cesspool & seeing your reflection.
	♥ 6:47pm mrdonutsu: War, slavery, rule by élites—all were made easier by another new technology of control: writing.
	♥ 6:48pm coelacanth∅: i'm never bored either. there's always something to think about.
	6:48pm Andrew S: I am jake, I still like video games. I'll only play one every couple of years but when i do man its bad, its like a month of immersion
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Fredericks: Absolutely. W/out this - I got a Library full uh other smelly lowrent NewHampshuh losers...
	🤖 ♥ 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: Printing was responsible for the Reformation and all that implies.
	6:48pm Derek in Atlantic City: Intervention/ monitoring needs to be the role of the parents.
	6:48pm headbed: Default mode.
	6:48pm Dean: Speaking of New Yorker, I'd love to find the piece from several years ago, perhaps the '90s, griping about the even then worn out trope about computing power, "This greeting card has more power than the Apollo that wen to the moon." Haven't been able to locate it, even using indexes.
	♥ 6:48pm mrdonutsu: Walter Benjamin, the great German Jewish cultural critic, who committed suicide while trying to escape Nazi-controlled Europe, said that “there is no document of civilization which is not at the same time a document of barbarism.” He meant that every complicated and beautiful thing humanity ever made has, if you look at it long enough, a shadow, a history of oppression. As a matter of plain historical fact, that seems right. It was a long and traumatic journey from the invention of writing to your book club’s discussion of Jodi Picoult’s latest.
	6:48pm Jul: For both sides, of the argument, I believe the parents need to teach the wisdom and discipline and timing of screens activities, maybe teach them something high tech but less addicting, and something non-tech such as gardening.
	6:49pm rw: According to my kids, Facebook isn't really cool anymore. It's something middle-aged moms do. There's a lot of Snap Chatting going on though.
	6:49pm Dean: Elizabeth Eisenstein was a forceful proponent of the "printing is revolutionary" thesis. Adrian Johns takes her to task for it in The Nature of the Book. I incline toward Johns.
	♥ 6:49pm Krys O.: Depression is mostly tied to brain chemicals and can be genetic. Saying that it is caused by external circumstances is not helpful in treating depression.
	6:49pm Linda Lee: dead on, mr donutsu. of course.
	6:49pm Andrew S: there are so many good tools for kids but keeping them from the distractions must be a challenge
	6:50pm Linda Lee: different shoes, same path.
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: Who doesn't enjoy the embrace of a screen's warm glowing warming glow?
	♥ 6:50pm Michael 98145: "Alexa, what is wrong with us ??"
	6:50pm Andrew S: haha
	6:51pm Linda Lee: we were well trained in loving that glow with Captain Kangaroo, right Ken?
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm chris: my son had a lot of screen time when he was in middle school. by the time he was in high school, he was spending most of his time outside. he still prefers "doing" something to spending time online.
	6:51pm JakeGould: “Alexa, Siri just said you are conceited.”
	6:51pm Linda Lee: good for him chris! bravo! he's interested in his own life.
	6:52pm Dean: I tell my son he should find a video game that involves res-helving books in their proper order. I mean, c'mon, kids would love it!
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm Ken From Hyde Park: @LL - Captain Kangaroo and Romper Room, yes.
	6:52pm Dean: re-shelving
	♥ 6:52pm northguineahills: My ex-boss in his 70s used to play RPG games w/ people online from around the world of all ages and became good enough friends w/ some of them to go on trips together.
	6:52pm Andrew S: Alexa, tell me how to get to Sesame Street
	♥ 6:52pm Michael 98145: @LL, Princess Summer Fall Winter Spring
	♥ 6:53pm Mike Sin: Facebook is very much like a variety of TV shows -- it's similar in that it is entertainment, but TV was always built on a premise of fantasy... and most folks knew that. The depression resulting from Facebook rolls in because folks are measuring their own lives against and perceiving it as "reality"... and their own lives can't measure up to it... they don't realize it is primarily people's "marketing," "promotion," and "press kits"... just as much fantasy, ideal, and easy answers that TV always provided.
	6:53pm Linda Lee: do be a do bee. don't be a don't bee. early training babe!
	6:53pm JakeGould: @Dean: There are videotapes that allow you to pretend you work in a fast food job.
	6:53pm JakeGould: VIDEO GAMES!!!
	6:53pm Linda Lee: yep yep yep
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's Connection - & it's No Connection @ All...
	6:54pm Linda Lee: it's conditional connection. very narrowly conditional
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm chris: i've spent more time as a parent teaching him to think for himself, be in touch with what he's feeling and be able to communicate both, than banning or preventing things.
	6:55pm Linda Lee: good parents make worthwhile kids. bravo!
	6:55pm Dean: That's priceless, @JakeGould. With my kids in the car I like to drive up to (closed) drive-up windows at, say, banks, and order a cheeseburger, fries...
	♥ 6:56pm βrian: CogDiss: the bane of our era.
	6:56pm Linda Lee: sheezis .. poor little tykes. not a chance against the bright shiny things.
	6:56pm geezerette: Chris, yes, it's one of the best things you can do for them.
	6:57pm Dean: Working in a public library in the '90s, pre-web, we taught folks how to use Gopher, WAIS, etc. Showed them how to identify jobs. With the advent of the web we taught them how to search, navigate, and so forth.
	♥ 6:57pm northguineahills: Abrigato Mark y Scott
	♥ 6:57pm coelacanth∅: Mike, absolutely. also there's the physical effect of the facial muscles in a constant state of tension. it's quite obvious this would have a negative effect, physically - which results in depression as well.
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: In today's society, parents are less apt to just send their kids outside to play in the neighborhood. Worried about kidnappers and such. They feel it's safer to keep the kids inside and then the kids go online where bad guys can prey on them anyway.
	6:57pm JakeGould: @Dean: Read up on “Animal Crossing: Pocket Campground.” Unbelievable that game exists… You have to just run errands and change your life to suit the needs of random—many snotty—animals.
	6:58pm Linda Lee: of course it's about the use of technology, not the technology. but who's teaching the best uses of new technology? we are! & we aren't the most appropriate teachers.
	♥ 6:58pm Fuzzy: meow meow turn off the computer meow and go meow outside
	6:58pm Andrew S: only my third time listening but right up my alley I'm hooked. Great discussion Mark & Scott cheers
	6:59pm JakeGould: I HATE BINGE WATCHING!!!! THAT IS MODERN TV!!! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE!
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I always id as a 'latchkey kid'. Rode my bike anywhere, anytime...Always a Media Head too - TV, radio...now this....
	6:59pm Linda Lee: we're being trained to develop the attention span of bacteria
	♥ 6:59pm βrian: For me, TV just lost relevance in the early 80s. But when I discovered Gopher, I thought this is kinda interesting ...
	♥ 6:59pm melinda: I struggle against the youtube vortex.
	♥ 7:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark and Scott!
	7:00pm Linda Lee: i don't have a problem with youtube. i think the ads make it repellant enough that i can't hang out
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: I was a gopherhamster before I was a webhamster.
	♥ 7:00pm Fuzzy: ah, gopher...memories.
	♥ 7:00pm βrian: @LLee: Yes, exactly.
	7:00pm SeanG: great show!
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm chris: thanks, guys!
	7:01pm geezerette: Mark and Scott, fantastic show!
	7:01pm Jul: Well done fellas!
	7:01pm Linda Lee: thanks guys
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks ! You need to do a fill in some time so you get more time!
	7:02pm Tom: No sleep till
	7:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's all funneled thru too few Corporations for my liking... Cheers.
	🤖 ♥ 7:02pm Phil with the phone: Thanks for joining us, tune in next week! And the next week! And the next week! (etc...)
	7:02pm Linda Lee: absolutely Rev. thanks to media deregulation! whee!
	🤖 ♥ 7:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: "Don't just sit there ... go watch some television!" comics.azcentral.com...
	♥ 7:23pm Krys O.: www.psychologytoday.com...

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Listener comments!
	6:01pm melinda: Hi guys
	6:01pm Linda Lee: good evening Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark & Scott!
	6:02pm geezerette: Howdy!
	6:03pm Linda Lee: super important subject tonight.
	6:03pm geezerette: Great piece of public art!
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: Ongoing question: what if we call Techtonic listeners "chthonics"?
	6:05pm geezerette: Melinda, was your name for listeners,"Techtones"?
	🤖 ♥ 6:05pm Phil with the phone: How the hell do you pronounce that?
	6:05pm Linda Lee: personally i just don't. no upper teeth at all.
	6:05pm Andrew S: Saturated by kids too
	🤖 ♥ 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark, Scott and Techticians!
	6:07pm Dean: Listeners should be dubbed "Drifters." Get it? Tectonics?
	♥ 6:08pm queems: is idle refreshing "time well spent"
	6:08pm Andrew S: It's a hallow resolution
	♥ 6:08pm βrian: Is this a good place to mention that I just bought a brand new top-of-the-line MacBook Pro with the most-recent peripherals (directly from Apple) ... and that the cables provided didn't allow for connections to the laptop?
	6:09pm Linda Lee: please! 'meaningful social interaction' does not go with facebook.
	6:09pm Andrew S: bang
	♥ 6:10pm queems: i don't miss facebook at all
	6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zuckerbird has always wanted fb to 'Personal' - not a platform for people to repost Public stuff. That was the original model. This is like WalMart using the tax break (which will gut social funds) as an excuse to raise wages they had to raise anyroad...
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm chris: hi, Mark and Scott and folks. time for another refreshing skeptonic.
	6:10pm Linda Lee: haha. ever hear a dealer tell an addict, 'you gotta quit this stuff'? they do it all the time. then the relationship continues.
	🤖 ♥ 6:11pm Ken From Hyde Park: What was the other Facebook update announced the other day? People rate how fake the news entries are? Covert Russian operatives will give top ratings to their fake stuff and it'll be the same crock it is now.
	6:11pm geezerette: ooh, Chris, good one!
	6:11pm Andrew S: I kinda do miss it sometimes but not enough to participate again
	6:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes LindaLee. He cares about me.
	♥ 6:12pm northguineahills: @Dean: Geological puns are the best puns.
	♥ 6:12pm βrian: Any social network mediated by a corporation will only serve the interests of the corporation; never the users.
	6:13pm Linda Lee: & that goes double for governments!
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm chris: here's an abacus, now go do your homework
	6:14pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& what they're saying is the effect will be that reputable News will go down the algorithm - after fb helped destroy Journalism commercially...
	6:14pm Linda Lee: that reminds me of a youtube video: a couple of pre-teens given a cassette tape. kept looking for the bud port.
	♥ 6:14pm coelacanth∅: (just as dentists wont touch that poison they stuff into your teeth)
	♥ 6:15pm βrian: @chris: That kid will learn how to think about problem-solving, at least.
	♥ 6:15pm queems: i'm a dedicated instagram user and i know i should quit that too but it's hard
	6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...the Tools change...but the Apes - not so much...
	♥ 6:16pm Tommy in Neversink: I wish Facebook would filter out the fake news and let us worry about meaningful social contact
	6:17pm Linda Lee: what's critical is awareness of the actual purpose of the technology. without awareness of what you're using, your use is different than if you know.
	6:17pm Dean: Anybody working closely with technology during the '80s, '90s, could smell the BS. Total hype, disconnected from concrete reality, held aloft only by malarkey about democracy and individuality.
	♥ 6:17pm northguineahills: I use FB maybe once or twice a month. It has gotten me in touch w/ music and art events in the town I moved to, so, it has facilitated positive change in my life. But it's just a tool, you get out of it what you use it for.
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm chris: if i were given an abacus, i'd need youtube to figure out how to use it, to your point LL.
	♥ 6:18pm queems: i kind of want to go to this meet up movie
	♥ 6:18pm northguineahills: once or twice a week... (my brain's on blink).
	6:18pm Linda Lee: unfortunately, i sitll get enough from fb to keep using it. important communication & group activism. damn it.
	6:18pm melinda: @geeze it was Techtons.
	6:19pm Linda Lee: @chris ~ unless you were actually with someone who could teach you!
	♥ 6:19pm queems: i'm putting this on my calendar
	♥ 6:19pm coelacanth∅: the fake news is another decoy. (like the "government shutdown", the "bomb cyclone", the sexual harassment witch hunt,etc.)
	🤖 ♥ 6:19pm Ken From Hyde Park: The Road Movie ... where do I sign up?
	6:19pm Andrew S: My only real regret about not being on social media, I have a few smaller ones, sure I liked to see peoples kids and cats. But I cant comment or even read comments on news articles anymore. It's like get on facebook or stfu so I stfu
	6:19pm geezerette: Melinda, it's a good one.
	🤖 ♥ 6:20pm chris: true, true, Linda Lee!
	6:20pm melinda: Linda I get a lot from FB too, met some great people in private groups.
	6:21pm melinda: Thanks G!
	6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's increased Social Interaction - w/out Bodies...the 1st thing Zuckerbird asks is your whole Timeline history - & your RealName. Bang - a dozen people I knew from living on the WestCoast were on my desktop...everybody fro everywhere...When joining fb - I felt I was nekkid in the middle of a new TownSquare...or - @ least where everyone could see me...it's an adjustment. & it's considerable....Yes, you can Block people - which I love to do (haha) - but you're still there...Then there's the 'which movie star do you resemble' bollocks...
	♥ 6:22pm Tommy in Neversink: Some news sites are based on reality and some aren't. Irresponsible journalism is what got us in the mess we're in
	6:22pm Andrew S: this guy again
	🤖 ♥ 6:22pm Webhamster Henry: Social Media ! I was on the Well, ECHO (I still am), lots of BBSes, most swept under by the tsunami of internet connectivity.
	🤖 ♥ 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: $10 for the movie sounds good, but I suspect there's a catch: You have to bring your own chair (office chair with wheels) and leave it after the show.
	6:22pm Andrew S: ;)
	6:22pm Linda Lee: i'm actually able to order the medicine that keeps me upright & functional on fb, & speak to my vendor. this is sort of important. i'm also involved with at least half a dozen groups looking to keep it legal for all, via fb. & assisting others with its use.
	6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I'm so glad I Grew Up before everyone had cameras to put everything online forever...it's bad enuff now!...
	6:23pm Linda Lee: i'm on FB helping others with their questions for at least an hour daily. that's where they are, so that's where i am. sadly.
	🤖 ♥ 6:23pm Phil with the phone: Check that IMDB link below, I'm more excited than I should be for this movie. www.imdb.com... We should have enough chairs for most of you. Chair donations are always welcome.
	6:23pm melinda: Ken that's funny.
	♥ 6:24pm Tommy in Neversink: Oh come on, You don't have to bring a chair...desks and file cabinets are also acceptable
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: We always jabbered about technology that would link everyone's nervous systems - we just didn't expect to live to see it & have to deal w/ the true implications...
	🤖 ♥ 6:27pm Webhamster Henry: I just got a phone for my daughter so she can have something to use in college in the fall. She didn't want a non-smart phone, though, because she's used to iOs devices.
	♥ 6:27pm northguineahills: I just picked up an iPhone 7 since my iPhone 5 I had for 5 years finally died.
	6:28pm Kurt: I would never recommend giving unfettered access to a smartphone. It's very difficult for a non tech person to limit access to 'undesirable' content.
	6:28pm Andrew S: helping people is nothing to be sad about. Lets face it, it's ubiquitous. You can still do good things in a bad environment
	6:28pm Dean: Now, see, a teacher at my junior high school used to show 35mm ski movies in reverse, including the apres-ski fondue into which people would deposit the morsels they extract from their mouths.
	6:29pm Dean: Rather, 16mm
	♥ 6:29pm Michael 98145: pre-FB BBSs were fun. never took the FB bait. oh, and this flip-phone works just fine.
	♥ 6:29pm βrian: I love the smartphone for the fact that I can easily get the diacritics and grammar right when sending texts. Otherwise, I feel like a slouch.
	6:29pm Kurt: Much of the online gaming now has a gambling component too.
	6:29pm Linda Lee: @Andew S ~ indeed!
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Non smart phones are now called "Feature Phones" , and there should be one that is really good at telephony and texting, but is also a wiFi hotspot. Most of the time, it would have pretty good battery life!
	6:30pm Linda Lee: have any of these phones ever been actually proven safe for use near the head? i don't think so.
	6:31pm Andrew S: theyve never been proven unsafe. Its hard to prove something is safe
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: "Food comes first" is shouted out when a phone appears at the table.
	🤖 ♥ 6:31pm Ken From Hyde Park: The Screenagers movie I mentioned once has a newsletter, "Tech Talk Tuesdays," that emails a different subject each week. www.screenagersmovie.com...
	♥ 6:31pm coelacanth∅: i have a pocket computer ("smart phone") but no smart phone plan. (tracphone only has pocket computers, even though they sell regular phone plans.) i fucking hate the touch screen bullshit.
	6:32pm melinda: @Brian clumsy texting on my flip phone is one of the things that will soon drive me to the smartphone.
	6:32pm Dean: Berkeley passed an ordinance that has so far survived judicial scrutiny. It requires retailers to give notice of possible radiation effects of devices.
	🤖 ♥ 6:32pm Phil with the phone: Call in at 201-209-9368! Use your dad's phone if necessary!
	6:32pm Linda Lee: right .. we're in a world of guinea pigs, basically.
	♥ 6:32pm dale: i just got rid of my 10 year old dumb phone. i got a NEW dumb phone because the screen and keypad was bigger - my eyes are not what they used to be.
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Coding for those constraints was lots of fun!
	6:33pm Dean: There was an internet at the time. There was virtually no public access to the 'net, and there was no web.
	♥ 6:33pm βrian: Ted Kennedy was one such guinea pig, I guess.
	6:33pm Linda Lee: the proof of danger occurs as we sicken & die. think of cigarettes. & even with proof, our deaths are basically immaterial. this is what we contribute to every day of the week. this paradigm.
	6:34pm Linda Lee: lovely.
	♥ 6:34pm coelacanth∅: well, they have to be unsafe. an understanding of how the body works with an understanding of the way a cell phone (any cell phone) works makes this obvious.
	6:34pm Andrew S: cigarettes we know are unsafe. Microwaves there is a case but its still theory
	6:34pm Linda Lee: yes of course he was. an 'early adopter'. the brave guinea pigs go first.
	6:35pm Linda Lee: at one time we didn't know cigs were unsafe. we really didn't. this is where we are re cell tech.
	🤖 ♥ 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: The massive processing power of the iPhone X: purposefully used to make talking poop emoji.
	🤖 ♥ 6:36pm Ken From Hyde Park: That sounds like the South Park episode "Freemium Isn't Free" with the phone games.
	6:36pm Linda Lee: 'we' meaning the general public .. the great unwashed. the consumer.
	6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...like the labrats who press the lever hooked to their brain rather than eat - & die...
	♥ 6:36pm βrian: You could say Ted Kennedy's brain was "re-wired."
	6:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...ALWAYS now the fast buck - over EVERYTHING & ANYTHING...
	6:37pm TehBadDr: The Old Arcade game Bezerk was a great game, but insidious. It used to say"detect coin in user's pocket"!
	♥ 6:37pm coelacanth∅: f cigarettes were a new invention, with what we know now about how the body works, they'd never get off the ground. they'd be declared unsafe before ever being marketed.
	6:37pm Linda Lee: so now we know everything & they're still with us.
	6:38pm Andrew S: we dont know lettuce is unsafe either. Im not saying holding your phone to your ear is safe but there is nothing that has proven it isnt.
	🤖 ♥ 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: in re: Smoking risk: here's a comedy routine from 1959 by Bill Dana (RIP) in period ad-speak about how they were to spin the fact that cigarettes will kill you. 1959. www.echonyc.com...
	6:38pm Linda Lee: on a certain level our knowledge is irrelevant. on that same level human life is irrelevant too.
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thing is: They KNEW tobacco was addictive & cancerous - but they created an Industry to DENY it. DENIALISM.
	6:39pm Linda Lee: we basically don't love ourselves sufficiently, as a species. a real fatal flaw.
	♥ 6:39pm coelacanth∅: ..like the milk scam.
	♥ 6:39pm northguineahills: @Linda Lee: I don't think I've used a phone near my head since my my old dumb phone had an 'intercom' option 14 years ago, Now, having my phone in the proximity of my groin (front pants pocket), that could be a potential issue.
	6:39pm Linda Lee: ho! yikes!
	🤖 ♥ 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park: This is just begging for the invention of the lead phone case.
	6:41pm Derek in Atlantic City: My 13 yr old daughter is a JUNKIE w her phone.
	6:41pm Linda Lee: does it have to be lead? if someone can make it cool to protect your brain .. wow
	♥ 6:42pm Michael 98145: iCod Piece
	♥ 6:42pm northguineahills: @Michael 98145: We have a winner!
	6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Less Rebellious. Got that? No Rawk'n'Roll : iPhones.... Lead - heavy & soft - all wrong :) ...
	♥ 6:42pm βrian: @NGH: Discount vasectomy, yo.
	♥ 6:42pm coelacanth∅: i hold my phone right against my face, so i can hear it; but i'm only on the phone for maybe 15 minutes/week. my downfall may end up being having my face too close to the computer screen. man i feel that after an hour or 2.
	6:43pm Derek in Atlantic City: Absolute addiction and personality changes apparent when she has excessive time on it.
	6:43pm Linda Lee: i'm horrified that we'll wind up losing an entire generation prematurely with horrendous cancers. what a fucking nightmare.
	6:43pm Dean: The Berkeley ordinance implicated a suppressed CA Dep't Public Health brochure that intimates certain risks. The Dep't unsuccessfully argued that the brochure was merely a draft, based on uncertain science. The group filing a FOIA request to release it argued, to the contrary, that it was in final form, but that the cell phone industry wanted it suppressed. The brochure: https://www.law.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/CDPH-cell-phone-document-April-2014.pdf
	♥ 6:43pm Krys O.: I suggest Greg Toppo's book, the Game Believes in You for a different viewpoint about gaming and education.
	6:43pm JakeGould: All of the first gen video games just sped up as levels got higher. Just more and more stressful.
	♥ 6:44pm βrian: Is it "less happiness" or fewer "happiness?"
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...than again - always wonder if these naysayers are like the honky bourgeois ladies who crapped on Comics & RawkaRolla...
	🤖 ♥ 6:44pm Ken From Hyde Park: That tagline would make a good screensaver.
	6:44pm Andrew S: The radio show is much more interesting, the psychological impact. I think the "cancer danger" is much smaller in scope
	♥ 6:44pm βrian: This little taser says "I'm thinking you're not so bored."
	6:44pm TehBadDr: iGenerally can't put down any sort of interweb connected device. If my parents take away my phone, I grab Aelexa and take her to my room.
	6:44pm rw: I'm a big fan of boredom. Not enough of it these days.
	6:44pm Linda Lee: why are adults so afraid to take control of their kids' lives!
	6:45pm Jul: I gotta say that maybe som of the Gen X-ers may have invented some of this technology. ...
	♥ 6:45pm mrdonutsu: Just to play devil's advocate, wouldn't a pre-literate hunter gatherer say almost everything you're saying about phones/technology about books and/or reading as well?
	♥ 6:45pm βrian: (I kid, I kid ...)
	♥ 6:45pm northguineahills: By the time I was 13, I actually embraced what my parents drilled into me, (if you're bored, you're not very smart).
	6:45pm JakeGould: Playing video games in the 1980s kinda saved my life. Made me social in an anti-social way and such… But by the time I was in college, I don’t really care too much about games anymore. But nowadays I know people who are in their 20s and 30s who are still into videotapes despite having a real life option and I find that bizarre.
	6:45pm Linda Lee: boredom means imagination. imagination is good for the brain.
	6:46pm Fredericks: I need to interact with a screen to listen to this show and to make this comment.
	♥ 6:46pm mrdonutsu: www.newyorker.com...
	6:46pm JakeGould: “…who are still into video games…”
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @mrdonutsu: Or of Snivelisation itself? So much for Terence McKenna's Archaic Revival - bringing us back into our Bodies after Print Culture...
	6:46pm TehBadDr: Love the "Metal Blockheads" pic!
	♥ 6:47pm northguineahills: I'm never bored, or, I enjoy being 'bored', so....
	♥ 6:47pm βrian: I check FB compulsively, at least 4 or 5 times a year.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: But now you can get the Amazon Echo Show ... an Alexa with a screen.
	6:47pm JakeGould: That said I still have one very strong video game muscle: I have very, very good at “Mr. Do!”
	6:47pm Linda Lee: a facebook vision of reality? like staring into a cesspool & seeing your reflection.
	♥ 6:47pm mrdonutsu: War, slavery, rule by élites—all were made easier by another new technology of control: writing.
	♥ 6:48pm coelacanth∅: i'm never bored either. there's always something to think about.
	6:48pm Andrew S: I am jake, I still like video games. I'll only play one every couple of years but when i do man its bad, its like a month of immersion
	6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Fredericks: Absolutely. W/out this - I got a Library full uh other smelly lowrent NewHampshuh losers...
	🤖 ♥ 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: Printing was responsible for the Reformation and all that implies.
	6:48pm Derek in Atlantic City: Intervention/ monitoring needs to be the role of the parents.
	6:48pm headbed: Default mode.
	6:48pm Dean: Speaking of New Yorker, I'd love to find the piece from several years ago, perhaps the '90s, griping about the even then worn out trope about computing power, "This greeting card has more power than the Apollo that wen to the moon." Haven't been able to locate it, even using indexes.
	♥ 6:48pm mrdonutsu: Walter Benjamin, the great German Jewish cultural critic, who committed suicide while trying to escape Nazi-controlled Europe, said that “there is no document of civilization which is not at the same time a document of barbarism.” He meant that every complicated and beautiful thing humanity ever made has, if you look at it long enough, a shadow, a history of oppression. As a matter of plain historical fact, that seems right. It was a long and traumatic journey from the invention of writing to your book club’s discussion of Jodi Picoult’s latest.
	6:48pm Jul: For both sides, of the argument, I believe the parents need to teach the wisdom and discipline and timing of screens activities, maybe teach them something high tech but less addicting, and something non-tech such as gardening.
	6:49pm rw: According to my kids, Facebook isn't really cool anymore. It's something middle-aged moms do. There's a lot of Snap Chatting going on though.
	6:49pm Dean: Elizabeth Eisenstein was a forceful proponent of the "printing is revolutionary" thesis. Adrian Johns takes her to task for it in The Nature of the Book. I incline toward Johns.
	♥ 6:49pm Krys O.: Depression is mostly tied to brain chemicals and can be genetic. Saying that it is caused by external circumstances is not helpful in treating depression.
	6:49pm Linda Lee: dead on, mr donutsu. of course.
	6:49pm Andrew S: there are so many good tools for kids but keeping them from the distractions must be a challenge
	6:50pm Linda Lee: different shoes, same path.
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park: Who doesn't enjoy the embrace of a screen's warm glowing warming glow?
	♥ 6:50pm Michael 98145: "Alexa, what is wrong with us ??"
	6:50pm Andrew S: haha
	6:51pm Linda Lee: we were well trained in loving that glow with Captain Kangaroo, right Ken?
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm chris: my son had a lot of screen time when he was in middle school. by the time he was in high school, he was spending most of his time outside. he still prefers "doing" something to spending time online.
	6:51pm JakeGould: “Alexa, Siri just said you are conceited.”
	6:51pm Linda Lee: good for him chris! bravo! he's interested in his own life.
	6:52pm Dean: I tell my son he should find a video game that involves res-helving books in their proper order. I mean, c'mon, kids would love it!
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm Ken From Hyde Park: @LL - Captain Kangaroo and Romper Room, yes.
	6:52pm Dean: re-shelving
	♥ 6:52pm northguineahills: My ex-boss in his 70s used to play RPG games w/ people online from around the world of all ages and became good enough friends w/ some of them to go on trips together.
	6:52pm Andrew S: Alexa, tell me how to get to Sesame Street
	♥ 6:52pm Michael 98145: @LL, Princess Summer Fall Winter Spring
	♥ 6:53pm Mike Sin: Facebook is very much like a variety of TV shows -- it's similar in that it is entertainment, but TV was always built on a premise of fantasy... and most folks knew that. The depression resulting from Facebook rolls in because folks are measuring their own lives against and perceiving it as "reality"... and their own lives can't measure up to it... they don't realize it is primarily people's "marketing," "promotion," and "press kits"... just as much fantasy, ideal, and easy answers that TV always provided.
	6:53pm Linda Lee: do be a do bee. don't be a don't bee. early training babe!
	6:53pm JakeGould: @Dean: There are videotapes that allow you to pretend you work in a fast food job.
	6:53pm JakeGould: VIDEO GAMES!!!
	6:53pm Linda Lee: yep yep yep
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's Connection - & it's No Connection @ All...
	6:54pm Linda Lee: it's conditional connection. very narrowly conditional
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm chris: i've spent more time as a parent teaching him to think for himself, be in touch with what he's feeling and be able to communicate both, than banning or preventing things.
	6:55pm Linda Lee: good parents make worthwhile kids. bravo!
	6:55pm Dean: That's priceless, @JakeGould. With my kids in the car I like to drive up to (closed) drive-up windows at, say, banks, and order a cheeseburger, fries...
	♥ 6:56pm βrian: CogDiss: the bane of our era.
	6:56pm Linda Lee: sheezis .. poor little tykes. not a chance against the bright shiny things.
	6:56pm geezerette: Chris, yes, it's one of the best things you can do for them.
	6:57pm Dean: Working in a public library in the '90s, pre-web, we taught folks how to use Gopher, WAIS, etc. Showed them how to identify jobs. With the advent of the web we taught them how to search, navigate, and so forth.
	♥ 6:57pm northguineahills: Abrigato Mark y Scott
	♥ 6:57pm coelacanth∅: Mike, absolutely. also there's the physical effect of the facial muscles in a constant state of tension. it's quite obvious this would have a negative effect, physically - which results in depression as well.
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: In today's society, parents are less apt to just send their kids outside to play in the neighborhood. Worried about kidnappers and such. They feel it's safer to keep the kids inside and then the kids go online where bad guys can prey on them anyway.
	6:57pm JakeGould: @Dean: Read up on “Animal Crossing: Pocket Campground.” Unbelievable that game exists… You have to just run errands and change your life to suit the needs of random—many snotty—animals.
	6:58pm Linda Lee: of course it's about the use of technology, not the technology. but who's teaching the best uses of new technology? we are! & we aren't the most appropriate teachers.
	♥ 6:58pm Fuzzy: meow meow turn off the computer meow and go meow outside
	6:58pm Andrew S: only my third time listening but right up my alley I'm hooked. Great discussion Mark & Scott cheers
	6:59pm JakeGould: I HATE BINGE WATCHING!!!! THAT IS MODERN TV!!! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE! BINGE!
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I always id as a 'latchkey kid'. Rode my bike anywhere, anytime...Always a Media Head too - TV, radio...now this....
	6:59pm Linda Lee: we're being trained to develop the attention span of bacteria
	♥ 6:59pm βrian: For me, TV just lost relevance in the early 80s. But when I discovered Gopher, I thought this is kinda interesting ...
	♥ 6:59pm melinda: I struggle against the youtube vortex.
	♥ 7:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark and Scott!
	7:00pm Linda Lee: i don't have a problem with youtube. i think the ads make it repellant enough that i can't hang out
	🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: I was a gopherhamster before I was a webhamster.
	♥ 7:00pm Fuzzy: ah, gopher...memories.
	♥ 7:00pm βrian: @LLee: Yes, exactly.
	7:00pm SeanG: great show!
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm chris: thanks, guys!
	7:01pm geezerette: Mark and Scott, fantastic show!
	7:01pm Jul: Well done fellas!
	7:01pm Linda Lee: thanks guys
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks ! You need to do a fill in some time so you get more time!
	7:02pm Tom: No sleep till
	7:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's all funneled thru too few Corporations for my liking... Cheers.
	🤖 ♥ 7:02pm Phil with the phone: Thanks for joining us, tune in next week! And the next week! And the next week! (etc...)
	7:02pm Linda Lee: absolutely Rev. thanks to media deregulation! whee!
	🤖 ♥ 7:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: "Don't just sit there ... go watch some television!" comics.azcentral.com...
	♥ 7:23pm Krys O.: www.psychologytoday.com...

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