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Tonight's guest: David Auerbach, author of MEGANETS: How Digital Forces Beyond Our Control Commandeer Our Daily Lives and Inner Realities

David's Substack can be found here

David refers to this news story about Chat GPT inventing non-existent court cases and decisions in a legal briefing

I found some vindication by Chris Hedges' recent article on Matt Taibbi, my controversial guest the last time I guest-hosted Techtonic.


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Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:01pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark & comments panel!
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Ciggy:

I thought it was gonna be SMK
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm
Bobby:

Guest host, guest comments
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm
chris in the redwoods:

hey, Ken, Bas, Ciggy, Bobby, all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:03pm
David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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Bobby:

hi chris!
  6:03pm
chresti:

Hi Ken and techtoniacs !
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:03pm
Bas NL:

Oww, hi Ken!
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Bob Barth:

Good evening folks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
Ike:

So, wait, they're going to nuke the entirety of Ohio from orbit? It's the only way to be sure?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
The Butterman:

Serious SMK tonight. I don’t like it one bit. I like the Wednesday morning, irreverent Ken. Just kidding. It’s like another version of the state of the station Ken. Love that Ken.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

I'd love to offer bad data about myself! That sounds like fun.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Hi Butterman!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
Ike:

Re: offering bad data about myself: oh good, I'm already doing that. I regularly claim to be a lumberjack.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
Bobby:

This interview is already scaring the shit out of me
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
The Butterman:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:06
Hi Wendy.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Staysh and all!!!
  6:07pm
?:

↳ Ike @6:07
then you're OK
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:08pm
Bas NL:

Don't forget to sign the petition for the 6 month pause on AI.. futureoflife.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:08pm
chris in the redwoods:

↳ @6:07
he sleeps all night and works all day
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:08pm
David (in London):

Boinks, it was SMK all along...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:09pm
-жеи:

Evening everybody!
  6:10pm
Listener Robert:

Evening, Field Marshal Ken!
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-жеи:

↳ Listener Robert @6:10
Robert, thanks for the call to SSD last Wednesday. You sound great with your voice pitched down 5 octaves
  6:14pm
Listener Robert:

↳ -жеи @6:11
Ach, you recognized me!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:17pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

It sounds like a real-life "Frankenstein" story.
Avatar 6:22pm
Fredericks:

Technology runs out of control; meaning dissolves, until we quit using it.
  6:22pm
Listener Robert:

Other thrilling NDA-requiring projects have included being part of a team coming up with a faster, cheaper way to purify plastic pellets, and stability testing of a body-building supplement -- not GHB, I worked on that with someone else.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:24pm
iiibeat:

Certain types of information have to have control mechanisms attached. If not, objectives can be lost.
Without a doubt.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:24pm
joe mulligan:

↳ Fredericks @6:22
hopefully web 3.0 tools and conveniences will be useful enough and not as damaging as social media so that we end up slowly using social media less and less until it becomes irrelevant.
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Fredericks:

I'm 102!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:25pm
iiibeat:

"Non governmental" . . Says who?? lol
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:26pm
dale:

i'm self-polluting already.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:26pm
swivs:

The internet wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many people on it
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:28pm
joe mulligan:

↳ swivs @6:26
ha!!
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iiibeat:

↳ swivs @6:26
It could also be worse without so many people in it.
I would quit, if I didn't have such a deeeeep addiction.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:29pm
-жеи:

↳ swivs @6:26
It's true! The internet was such a great place in 1994, before everybody and their grandpa was all over it.
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chris in the redwoods:

↳ -жеи @6:29
ahhh, the good old days of usenet.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Juli:

I agree.
I go looking for memes
And I come out so depressed:::

So shallow
So sad:::
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Jeff Moore:

The lawyer's filing abjectly apologizing for the ChatGPT-generated brief with fake citations:

acrobat.adobe.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:34pm
iiibeat:

↳ -жеи @6:29
A small percentage of folks changed it for the masses . . I don't know how democratic the process has been
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:34pm
-жеи:

↳ chris in the redwoods @6:32
And darpanet. I spent a long evening with a batch of darpanet trolls at the University of Michigan in I think 1979 or so
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dale:

↳ -жеи @6:34
i was just delving into the college's watt's line then. that was like going to the moon to me.
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swivs:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:33
"Apologies, your honor. My robot seems to have pulled up a recipe for Raspberry Torts..."
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:38pm
Handy Haversack:

Ken! Techyons!

Wait, crap, gotta take the neighbor's trash out. Back in a sec.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:38pm
-жеи:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:33
That idiot lawyer basically said "it's not my fault and I'll never do it again."
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iiibeat:

"Free" has a vast array of defining points . .
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:42pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:38
Make sure there is no e-waste or papers with their account numbers.
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iiibeat:

1984 is a fucking good film. Put the red envelope into the blue box the other day.
"Despite all my rage, there are rats all over my face"
  6:44pm
Jackie G:

This is probably important. Shoulda been paying attention.
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dale:

i'm becoming haystack. like haystack calhoun.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:46pm
iiibeat:

Horses got big magnetic hearts. Saw the meme today.
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Chris Hiatt:

Really great interview!
  6:47pm
Jackie G:

hay foot straw foot
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Fredericks:

ChatGPT told me it could not hallucinate.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:49pm
Franco Twinkie:

Like math, tech surveillance makes me sleepy. I know, I'm doomned.
  6:49pm
Listener Robert:

Chatbots do seem useful as meta-search engines.
  6:50pm
DanFA:

Please, for the love of god, ask a question.
  6:50pm
Jackie G:

anthropo-morprhe?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:51pm
Franco Twinkie:

Who is THAT? No one I know.
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Fredericks:

We could be collucinating right now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm
iiibeat:

I'm half man half zombie.
I'm my own worst enemy
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm
lazy pierogi:

*william basinski enters chat*
  6:54pm
Doug in dc:

The AI will pull the most SEO-optimized sources, all of the spammiest have-you-seen-this content, composting it for a permanent state of disinformation.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:55pm
full_english_breakfast:

yes "i am sitting in a room" is exactly what i thought when you mentioned the cassette thing ken!
  6:55pm
Jackie G:

Yeah, I Am Sitting in a Room. Different than the one you're in now.
Avatar 6:56pm
Fredericks:

I've found there's also a great deal of link rot out there on the net.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
chresti:

Truth net
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
Franco Twinkie:

Who are these zombies? More mis-information, or simply confabulation of people who spend all day in front of the computer.
Avatar 6:58pm
Fredericks:

That's what I just said.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Franco Twinkie:

You did. I heard you type it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
bleubombersune:

Replica failure is inevitable for Chat GPT & similar programmmes
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Ken & David!
  7:00pm
Jackie G:

THanjs, Ken
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
full_english_breakfast:

LLMs will eventually feed on their own outputs and amplify unexpected "overtones" / "cliched sequences of words" which will swamp all genuine discourse
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Chris Hiatt:

Thanks, Ken! Great fill-in.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, -жеи. Isn't the internet fun?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Staysh and David!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:02pm
chresti:

Thanks Ken!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:06pm
chris in the redwoods:

thanks, Ken!
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